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Title: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 06, 2016, 02:06:53 PM
Edit:  changed the name from 'here we go, first job' since I'm doing more and might as well just use the same thread...

Got the call to bring the mill to my first job (on the LT40) to mill about 4000bf out of burned pines.  I took a look at the logs and they looked to be burned just on the bark and not too bad so hoping to get decent beams out of them and with luck 2x's etc for a barn build.

Wish me luck!
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: ScottInCabot on April 06, 2016, 02:11:58 PM
You know we need photo's right? 
Not just one, but about three pages full!!!
(some of us are still recovering from back surgery and need something to take our minds off of sitting around).



Scott in Cabot
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Chuck White on April 06, 2016, 02:13:23 PM
I'm sure you'll do just fine, Eric!

The first few always makes a guy nervous.

Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: OlJarhead on April 06, 2016, 02:20:52 PM
Funny thing, I wasn't nervous with the SMTL10 but I ran it a LOT before milling for someone else...with just shy of 20hrs on the LT40 I'm a little nervous because while I have milled a few thousand BF with it for myself I did it mostly alone.  One day though a neighbor came out and helped off-bear.  Man it went fast!

The idea of earning a little towards paying the bill on the mill is thrilling though and if the job goes well it could lead to a LOT more work since she has 60 trees she thinks she wants to mill up and the first batch is only going to be about 10 or 12 trees  :o  Most of the trees I saw were about 20 inches at chest height so they will produce a lot of lumber but she only needed about 4000bf to start so we'll see.

Would be nice to get these done sooner and cheaper than I suggested it would run and have her ask me back next month...and the month after :D
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Chuck White on April 06, 2016, 02:33:44 PM
Just don't hit iron, especially when you have and audience!
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: OlJarhead on April 06, 2016, 03:26:39 PM
Been there done that Chuck! lol

I just ordered 10 BiMetal blades (they better pay for themselves!) from WM.  I asked them about the Turbo's and they said they are for higher HP mills than my G26 and that for burned pine which will be dryer and harder, that they recommend the bimetals or a 4 degree doublehard.  Doublehards are a LOT cheaper but they also said the BiMetals are better for old beams with some contamination and can take metal better than the others (I quote "they won't go through a steel spike, but they will handle small nails etc better than the others).  Since I have some old beams to mill too I figure I'd try them out but the $400 for a box of 10 was a bit of a shocker...I bit the bullet and figured if the first job paid for them (since I have a regular job I can afford to put the profit back into the operation if I earn any) than I'd be good to go.

Going to have to start on 10 degree double hards though and hope they make it through the burned logs good enough to get me by since UPS probably won't deliver until Saturday and I have to start Saturday morning -- I could get lucky though and they might arrive Friday night.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: OlJarhead on April 06, 2016, 04:02:18 PM
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Here is my cutlist.  The builder (for a barn) wants everything milled to standard sizes.  I offered 1/8" over as well as full etc but I guess because these are burned and thus already dried in a bit he wants to go with straight up standard sizes.

Works out to 3000bf if figuring exact sizes rather than at full cut sizes.

I'm milling by the hour and will have 3 off-bearers to help get those beams off the mill as well as the rest.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: ncsawyer on April 06, 2016, 10:00:12 PM
That looks like a good job!  I can still remember my first mobile job on my very own. I picked up the 1994 LT40 manual that I grew up on from my dad.  When I moved it in 2009 it was the first time it had been moved since the WM guy originally set it up when he delivered it new in 1994!

I responded to a guy's craigslist ad a few months later to saw some logs he had.  Even though I had sawed and carried hundreds of thousands of board feet off of that mill, I was still very nervous.  I didn't even have a clue about what I might need to take.  It was a great experience!  My very first customer still calls me about once a year to cut something for him.

Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: YellowHammer on April 07, 2016, 08:42:00 AM
You'll do fine, I'm sure! 
Whenever I sawed in front of people I tried to keep these tips in mind.

Customers always want to talk, which is OK until the sawing starts and then it's distracting so tell them they need to stand a ways away for safety. 

Don't let them get near the debarker, that's just about the time it will throw a hunk of bark at them and they'll act like they've been shot.  :D

Always bring a small framing square and tape measure to check the lumber occasionally.

Learn how to mutter "perfect" and "yep that's square" and to nod your head like everything is going right even if things go a little sideways. ;D

Don't ever say "Oops" just keep on sawing





Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Dave Shepard on April 07, 2016, 11:35:21 AM
YH, that last bit is like the discussion my sister had with our vet a couple of days ago. When she was doing ride alongs, the game was to keep up appearances during the call, then get in the truck and say "well, that didn't go according to plan".  :D
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: ScottInCabot on April 07, 2016, 12:52:12 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on April 06, 2016, 04:02:18 PM
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Here is my cutlist.  The builder (for a barn) wants everything milled to standard sizes.  I offered 1/8" over as well as full etc but I guess because these are burned and thus already dried in a bit he wants to go with straight up standard sizes.

Works out to 3000bf if figuring exact sizes rather than at full cut sizes.

I'm milling by the hour and will have 3 off-bearers to help get those beams off the mill as well as the rest.


Okay, now I'm gonna need photo's of the finished frame for the barn too..... ;D
Looks like a fun cut list, and I'm sure glad you are gonna have help to get those beams off the mill after they are cut.  I always find helpers to be 'lacking' when the bigger stuff starts coming off the mill....but then again, I typically charge by the boardfoot.

YellowHammer nailed it with that last sentence!  Priceless!!!!




Scott in Cabot
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Brucer on April 08, 2016, 12:22:31 AM
The worst mistake I've made when the customer was talking, was to forget to lower a toeboard :(. Just saying ;D.

I've made it practice to always finish the task or step I'm on before I let someone distract me. And I always push both toeboard levers down at the same time right after I turn a log or a can't -- even if they weren't up in the first place.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: OlJarhead on April 08, 2016, 08:26:44 AM
Was supposed to start tomorrow but the customer didn't get the excavator to deck the logs for her so they are where they were dropped and bucked into length.  She seems desperate to find someone as her builder told he he didn't want to use his to deck the logs. 
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I suggested if she couldn't find someone to do the work I'd bring in my tractor and an operator and do it myself but that we needed those branches bucked off each log down to the bark....and that my guy could do that too.  I'll charge her $65/hr for the tractor I think (I don't normally do that -- ever -- so am thinking that sounds reasonable and I know heavy equipment runs higher, around $85/hr) and operator and pay the kid to buck the branches off too if she doesn't.  If she does he'll make a few bucks and I won't be delayed in getting the mill running.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Chuck White on April 08, 2016, 09:02:34 AM
Sounds like a plan Eric, and a fair offer!
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: ScottInCabot on April 08, 2016, 02:20:21 PM
Nothing is ever easy...but fair offer, and some extra cha-ching for you in the process.  I've shown up to messes like that, I just look at them and say "Let's get started!"(I have an hourly rate to do that too)  I've cleaned up, dragged logs, bucked limbs, and whatever else needs to be done to make sure I keep a customer, all while watching that mill sit right there until its needed.


Scott in Cabot
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Chuck White on April 08, 2016, 05:09:03 PM
It's also a good idea to describe the difference between a "pile of logs" and a "stack of logs" to the customer ahead of your arrival.   ;)
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: OlJarhead on April 09, 2016, 09:23:29 AM
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They got a mini-ex and started moving logs....I stopped by and (note: these are very nice people, they just don't understand) explained again that the logs are best in the same deck, must be limbed to the bark flush as possible, and should be decked in like sizes/groupings (so 16 footers, 14 footers etc if possible)...I then noticed there didn't seem to be any 10's, 12's, or 14's in the piles they had sorted already......seems their faller dropped the logs, bucked them to 20 and 16 feet (even though the cut list has nothing that is 20 feet long) and left....oh wait, he left after first attempting to make a large beam freehand for them  ::) he made me look REALLY good and I haven't done anything yet.

Tee sad part is that they will get a lot of 16 and 20 foot lumber and will have to cut it down themselves or they will need to start bucking the logs smaller -- they did notice some 29 footers and asked about bucking them down to which I enthusiastically suggest 'absolutely'!

In the end I explained that they want me making sawdust rather than moving my mill (which is in my contract too) and that I can buck, limb, move etc but all of that is at my hourly rate (so they began calling friends etc).

Looks to me like a lot more than 3000bf of lumber laying there and one log is 20 feet long and about 30" in diameter!  I hope the mill can pick it up! :o
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: OlJarhead on April 09, 2016, 09:26:16 AM
If that big log scales out around 24" it will run about 540bf  :o :o :o and weigh in around 2900lbs  :o :o :o

Hope the mill can lift it!
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: mad murdock on April 09, 2016, 09:30:57 AM
Sure looms like some nice sticks there. Hope it goes smooth for ya! Confrats on the first job 8)
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Chuck White on April 09, 2016, 10:00:29 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on April 09, 2016, 09:26:16 AM
If that big log scales out around 24" it will run about 540bf  :o :o :o and weigh in around 2900lbs  :o :o :o

Hope the mill can lift it!

Your mill shouldn't have any issues with lifting the 24"x20' logs.

I've sawn some large logs (36"x16.5' Hemlock) with no issues on my 1995 LT40HDG
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: WV Sawmiller on April 09, 2016, 10:10:36 AM
   Yep, I am sure you will find your mill will lift it and you will probably find the hydraulics/claw will rotate the big better than the little ones.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: ScottInCabot on April 09, 2016, 11:51:47 AM
Quote from: Chuck White on April 09, 2016, 10:00:29 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on April 09, 2016, 09:26:16 AM
If that big log scales out around 24" it will run about 540bf  :o :o :o and weigh in around 2900lbs  :o :o :o

Hope the mill can lift it!

Your mill shouldn't have any issues with lifting the 24"x20' logs.

I've sawn some large logs (36"x16.5' Hemlock) with no issues on my 1995 LT40HDG


I hand cranked(LT-28Manual) a 32"diameter x 16' piece of Southern Red Oak on mine.....I was thinking towards the end. "Is this really worth $0.38 a boardfoot?"  But at the end of the cutting day....that check made me feel a lot better!



Scott (I'm a fool for some cha-ching) B
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Magicman on April 09, 2016, 12:05:35 PM
You are finding that customers have to learn too which is not always a bad thing.  If they don't know, they don't know.  They will certainly appreciate and remember that you took extra steps to provide the expertise that they needed.

Don't worry about loading that log, but try to have it well centered before you load.  Remember that black line on the rear of the sawmill frame.  The blade does not go to it.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Peter Drouin on April 09, 2016, 12:15:16 PM
Have the customers put the middle of the logs in line with one another.
8' would be at 4' 16 at 8'  4 and 8 would line up to the middle of the mill.


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Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Chuck White on April 09, 2016, 04:31:30 PM
That's a good point Peter!

That's one of the first things I always tell my customers to do is "center-stack" the logs.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: OlJarhead on April 09, 2016, 11:44:56 PM
First day done with it's fair share of troubles but still worked out to a decent day :)  To start off I arrived with a flat!  Darn nails!  Picked up on on the highway and the passenger side tire on the mill was destroyed.  It lasted to get me to the site but I had to get it off, run to Les Schwab and get a new one (and a spare) and rushed back!  I didn't start milling (after setup) until 10:45am.

I arrived though surprised that the home owner decked all the logs in one pile though they were a little too high and needed some work still.

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Got busy and the first couple logs came off the mill reasonably well while training the helpers to off-bear.

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Log three loaded up, it's a 350bf 20 footer!  Loaded no problem and I began to mill.  Got one side milled down and rolled it 90 degrees, setup and began -- ZANG!!!  You know that sound right?  *DanG!  Hit a nail, changed out so a Bi-Metal and dropped it down thinking "I'll come under it and slab heavy" DING!!!!  5 more nails!  The Bi-Metal was no match for them and we bucked off 4 feet of the log, changed bands again and milled that sucker down to 2x4's :D

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Then the logs started going up and the lumber coming off! 

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6 hrs of milling in the sun was enough for me and I called it quits at 6pm after bucking some logs, milling 8 of them, limbing some, cutting off horns (branches sticking out and in the way) and generally working my butt off :D

Finished with 1400bf milled for the customer so far and learned something valuable:  when milling burned trees, if they got hot then slab them deep!  The outer wood is pretty *DanG hard and gave me waves like a worn band only, get under the hardened outer shell and the band went back to nice smooth straight cuts.  Can't say I expected that!  So no I'll slab em deep to save having to trim the waves out. 

Also the Bi-Metals (only actually used one today for about 4 hours) seem to cut well and faster than the double hard 10 degrees.  I could probably keep milling off the one I ran this afternoon but will change it out in the AM and go with a nice fresh one :)  After I go over the mill of course as I found some loose (not too but still not tight enough) bolts etc.

Could probably add a lot more but I'm tired, a little sunburned and my bed is calling me soon!
Cheers

PS.  The customer brought out her metal detector and started using it ;)  She even said "you did tell me I should do that if I had one and I said I would and then I forgot"
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: justallan1 on April 10, 2016, 01:34:15 AM
Eric, sounds like it's all coming together great for you.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Chuck White on April 10, 2016, 06:44:43 AM
I have one more point that I advise some of my customers on!

Sometimes when I arrive I have noticed that there are some 16' logs in the stack, but no 16' lumber listed on the cutsheet, when I question the customer, they usually say we'll cut the lumber in half after it's sawn.

Then, I advise the customer that usually the sawyer can get more board footage out of two 8' logs than one 16' log, plus it's easier to handle!
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Peter Drouin on April 10, 2016, 07:15:49 AM
Very good point Chuck, I don't cut long unless they need it. Don't forget OIJarhead you try to make the customer happy, But, you're the boss. ;D
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: OlJarhead on April 10, 2016, 09:08:51 AM
Yup, pointed that out several times to them.  They had a faller there yesterday but he had more fun off-bearing than bucking logs.  I'm hoping I can get them to do it today but if not I'll mill 'em long.

They have no need for 20 footers but that's mostly what they left me to mill.  It was the faller who bucked them into that length.  I guess he's a family friend or relative and 'doing them a favor' type thing.  Nice guy, good with a saw, but they are getting a lot of 20 foot lumber they don't need.  All they need is 10,12,14 and 16 footers and a lot of those 20's and 16's would make more lumber if they were shorter.

Today I'll start with three tens...funny thing, they don't need much ten foot lumber either so I'm making them into 2x6's figuring they can use them for something else.  Discussed it with the customer but she was pretty beat at the time and said "do what you think is best."
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Magicman on April 10, 2016, 09:40:13 AM
I regularly tell customers to buck those long logs into the size lumber that they need.  No need to saw 20's when you only need 16's.  They get more usable boards from the 16's, it's easier for me to set up and saw 16's, so we are both ahead.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Lonely Sawer on April 10, 2016, 12:55:15 PM
Jarhead. Where is the location of this job? I have a place close to Leavenworth, Wa. Just wondering.

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Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: PC-Urban-Sawyer on April 10, 2016, 03:45:19 PM
Lonely Sawyer,

That's some nice place you got there...

Herb
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: OlJarhead on April 10, 2016, 11:56:34 PM
Riverside -- about 100 miles north of Wanachee.

Long day today with 7.5hrs of milling in :)  Lots of sunscreen and water!  It was a hot one, or seemed so and about half way through the day after a fill up the saw didn't seem to be happy.  It kept almost stalling when I engaged the blade or hit the forward switch, I'd stop, and restart and everything would be ok.  I stpped and checked filters and oil and all seemed fine, ran some more but it sounded sorta off and I wondered if I had some bad gas ???  Then after lunch (so about 1:30) it ran fine for the rest of the day.

I had a couple troubles today and only managed about 1300bf (Int 1/4 Scale -still working out the math on actual production but it looks like 1560ish and about 200bf/hr) partly because I was doing some flitch resawing and partly because I was having trouble with wavy cuts.  Changed band and still wavy, slowed down and it seemed to cure it for a while.....but I wandered, as I saw more at the end of the day if I was going too slow or just asking too much out of a band ???  The last log scaled out at 232bf and I'd milled about 90% of a 123bf log just before it.  Maybe I'm asking too much of the Bi-Metal bands?  Is 350bf (Int 1/4Scale) about all I should be getting?  Or maybe I'm trying to go to fast or too slow?  I've been (lately) with the dial about the '-' sign (pretty close to 11 o'clock or maybe a little slower).

I'll post pics shortly....then I need some rest! :P
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: OlJarhead on April 11, 2016, 12:12:52 AM
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Some pics from the day.  Still fighting a cold which doesn't help.

Don't know if I mentioned I was having trouble squaring up cants on some of the logs and lost time fixing them.  I found that if I used the roller to get the face cut tight to the stops and then clamped it seemed to help but boy I was struggling at times!  I'd like to get my milling rate up closer to 300bf/hr with the bigger logs (or better) but so far the day ends around 200+ and no more.

Oh and after re-asjusting the outriggers I found the bed to be perfect.  No need to adjust (thanks for straitening me out! ;)

Now I think I'll relax a little more before crashing!  It was a hot one today and I'm feeling it!
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on April 11, 2016, 12:32:40 AM
Hey Oljarhead

sounds like you have fun and it sounds like the learning curve is getting a bit flatter.

At 1300 BF on your mill in your first job with some issues you are doing fine. check your fuel line clamps. I had a  loose one when i got my mill home and depending how the line was hanging off the tank it would suck air and act like your describing. Also a bad o ring in the steel quick connector will do that too IF your mill has those parts.

The wavy lumber is part of the learning curve too. What species are you cutting? Big knots in pine and spruce can be a challenge. Keep your bands tight. Speed of cut is affected by a quite a few thigs but you will get so that you hear the harmony of the mills song and that is the best way to describe the right speed that I know of. From your Notes id say your in the zone but i couldnt know for sure unless i heard the mill. 

Do you have a belt tension Guage? Check your belt tension. That the first thing i check when i start to get wavy lumber. A new drive belt needs about 2 initial adjustment in the first 15 to 20 hours of install to get it seated. Make sure to adjust the brake when you do it.

In a good production set up with good logs and good help I run an average of 300 to 35 BF and hour. I start with a fresh band in the morning and the first one comes off just be for lunch. Second one comes off around 5 - 5;30 allowing for a half hour coffee break around 3. Average day is about 10 ish hours including coffee, lunch, clean up and maintenance. All hours are calculated in the BF for the day.

You are doing great.

I get between 1200 and 1600 BF per sharpening depending on species and a few other factors. Id say 1250 to 1500 is average on the double hard 10 degree 1.5 inch 055(?) bands. I sharpen my own bands and I set  30 to 33 for offset. ALL of my bands come out of the box onto the setter and then the sharpener back on the setter and then on the mill.

If your using Bi metal you should do at least half again as much as I do in the same conditions.

If you have and Iphone and can do face time Id be happy to help that way too. 
 


     
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Chuck White on April 11, 2016, 06:42:28 AM
Lookin' Good, Eric!   ;)

If your engine keeps wanting to stall out, check the gas tank vent, that has been an issue on my mill a couple of times in the past! 
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: terrifictimbersllc on April 11, 2016, 07:35:46 AM
Tell the customers to put their logs into a word processor, and center-justify them   :D :D :D

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Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Magicman on April 11, 2016, 08:00:53 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on April 11, 2016, 12:12:52 AMI'd like to get my milling rate up closer to 300bf/hr with the bigger logs (or better) but so far the day ends around 200+ and no more.
Stop worrying or even thinking about your productivity and concentrate on your lumber quality.  The productivity will come with time.

How many bf a blade saws before it dulls is immaterial.  When it is dull, it is dull.  Look at the teeth (with a magnifying glass if necessary) and if the outside points are rounded and shiny, the blade is dull.  Scratch your fingernail with a fresh blade and compare that with a used blade.  If those logs are "case hardened" by the fire, you may have to resort to 4° blades.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Dave Shepard on April 11, 2016, 03:17:56 PM
I've had issues with the little vent, too. Make sure it's opened all the way so it doesn't vibrate closed.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: OlJarhead on April 11, 2016, 03:39:26 PM
Running good today.  Slowed down feedrate and better product. 
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: ncsawyer on April 11, 2016, 10:30:15 PM
Quote from: Magicman on April 11, 2016, 08:00:53 AM
you may have to resort to 4° blades.

This is what I have done, as I saw mostly pine.  I run the 0.055 by 1.25 inch blades and they have performed very well for me even on wide cuts with hard knots.

I hate to hear about your tire.  When something like that happens to me, all I can think is "The first "x" number of logs I cut on this job will pay for that tire"  :-\
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Magicman on April 11, 2016, 10:35:06 PM
Sometimes it takes a whole job to pay for a particular tool or maintenance item.  I just look to the next job and am thankful that it is there.   smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: OlJarhead on April 11, 2016, 11:32:47 PM
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1st Log of the day was that 315bf burned pine :)  Took a while but I found slow an steady got me through it nicely with better quality lumber.  This jarhead learned to back off and take the slow road :)

My next log scaled out at 151 and went well too.  THe first two I actually learned to square the cant up by using the log roller to get it flat against the rails, slab it, check with square and if needed roll it a bit and skim it off.  I also stopped (thanks to MM) milling 1" flitches and started making the cant to suit what I wanted to produce:) Worked like a hot *DanG!

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After those first two I began to get into a smooth groove :) and knocked them down one by one!

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I began to plan out my cants an cuts to fit in the flitches so I could mill them along with it.  Worked very well!

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Some time in the afternoon I skimmed a side support (non hydraulic) and made it a little shiny! LOL but I changed out the band and rocked on :)

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Funny thing, I slowed down and knocked out 1500bf (scaled logs) and about 1700bf actual.

The Bi-Metal band did it's thing as I cut a large nail but it didn't stop!!!  It kept going and finished the day with this last cut a bit rough so I stopped there.  I'll change it out in the AM and do the last 10 logs and the job will be done!

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That's a wack of lumber!  The customer is very happy and their builder said "wow!  Nice lumber!  Can you mill some Russian Olive for me?"

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After day three there are only 10 logs left to mill!  We pulled out some pecker poles that aren't really worth the trouble and they don't need them so were happy to drag them out.  They also are planning about job and their Dad left yesterday saying "He's hired!  I better get a cut list ready!

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Russian Olive...never done that before..might be interesting.

All in all a fantastic day! :D

Can't wait to get back and finish the job :)
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Chuck White on April 12, 2016, 06:44:58 AM
Eric, I've notice in reading that it seems you leave your band on, overnight!  :o

I would recommend band removal for sure at the end of the day!

I've noticed that even during a lunch break that a band sitting still on the belts will start to stain/rust, and I hate a rusty band!  :-\

Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Magicman on April 12, 2016, 07:26:44 AM
I always remove the blade at the end of a day's sawing.  Even with the blade tension off, it will also leave fiercely caked sawdust pinched between the blade and bandwheel belts.  I install a blade and start every morning with a freshly brushed/cleaned bandwheel belt.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Kbeitz on April 12, 2016, 07:31:10 AM
I have read that almost everyone takes the tension off there blade at the end of the day.
On my home made mill it's not that easy to do. So since the day the mill was made I
never ever released the band tension. I have not seen any problems from this.
I'm happy with my blade life so I don't think I ever will start doing it ether.
Is there any one besides me that leaves the pressure on your bands besides me?
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: WV Sawmiller on April 12, 2016, 08:06:06 AM
    I always remove my blade overnight for safety reasons so never thought about the releasing the tension.

Eric,

   You talk about getting in your groove. When I get in a real good groove is usually about the time I cut a groove in something else - like a side clamp or something. I've said it before - the advantage of a bigger, faster mill is that you can make mistakes a whole lost faster.

   Good looking lumber. I assume that last whack has more sweep than the rest you have been cutting. Ever notice how the customer always seems to leave their worst logs for last.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: OlJarhead on April 12, 2016, 09:16:47 AM
I've been letting off the tension each night and replacing the band in the morning as part of my routine.  Easy enough to change that.  Do you transport blade off or on?

Yup, got in a grove and cut one right across a side support  :o :( :snowball: but then I got back into it and finished up the day anyway.

I felt VERY good last night....a little sore this morning but then I usually am.

Yup, the last logs, even yesterdays, have some 'fun' built into them but I've asked them to buck them all to 16 feet starting with 'those butts'.

Fortunately the fallers get it, but the customer didn't quite understand, for some reason, that cutting the logs to the size of the lumber makes it easier and faster.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Magicman on April 12, 2016, 09:34:46 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on April 12, 2016, 09:16:47 AMDo you transport blade off or on?
I have left the blade on to relocate the sawmill at the sawing site.  The sawmill is designed so that you can transport with the blade on but I do not.

My daily routine is to remove the blade and brush the B57's at the end of each day and the fuel & blade lube tanks get filled.  The sawmill lube is done in the morning before sawing.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Dave Shepard on April 12, 2016, 11:46:18 AM
I always leave my bands on. They might get some surface rust, but that is gone on the first pass through the log. If transporting with the band on, WM says to put about 500 psi tension to keep the band from bouncing off the wheels.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Chuck White on April 12, 2016, 04:20:00 PM
The only time that there is a band on my mill is: 1. If I'm sawing & 2. If I'm doing an alignment!
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: OlJarhead on April 13, 2016, 07:54:42 PM
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The last big log on the mill.  This one was 16 feet long and 18" DIA small end.  I milled a couple more 2x12's out of it and the rest became 2x4's.  I milled them 3 at a time :)

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Another shot of the last log (the little one was ignored due to time constraints and because we'd surpassed their cut list.

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Site layout improved a little each day but they never quite got the idea to seperate the lengths though they started that way....made it harder on me to tally at the end of the day.

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The sawdust had to be raked away a few times a day!  I was making more than I ever have!


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My off-bearers were two 'eldars' of the tribe and they were also the fallers.  They out-worked everyone!  We had a great time!  I'd work with them anytime!

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I learned a lot this trip thanks to all of you and a chance to really put it into practice.  I used the toe boards a lot when logs weren't where I wanted them and learned to lift the side I wanted to push on higher than the other to make gravity help me ;)  I could go on I'm sure but for the moment I'm in 'downtime' mode! LOL  A little sore, lighter and happier :)

Gotta love getting paid to run a mill like this :)  It sounds like I will be busy this spring (we'll see).

Some things I realized:
1.  I need to do a better job of explaining what the cut list is for, or at least how to prepare the logs (cut to length, decked. etc).  It's one thing to explain it, write it down etc but another to show up on site and find they really didn't get it.  It's ok, I charge by the hour but I would have been much happier if I just milled away instead of having to shoft and move logs, buck limbs, shorten logs etc etc.
2.  Plan to make stickers and get a rough idea of how may you'll need!  I didn't really give it a lot of thought though I normally do but in this case it slipped my mind.  I ended up using the 1x flitches I milled on the first day (I stopped doing that afterwards thanks to MM and it clicking with me) and while I milled a lot I can't say it was enough.
3.  Make sure the off-bearers understand where to put the lumber!!  I had a hard time counting the lumber I'd produced at times which made it hard to know how many more of one size or another I needed.
4.  Slab deep, but not that deep!  Sometimes I wasted time slabbing.  I know better too!  but with big butts I found it hard to cut so much off one end.  I'd 'gun barrel' it but in the end if you can't use what's under the slab than you should slab deeper I'm thinking.
5.  Don't slab so deep you waste!  A couple times I miss-judged and slabbed heavier than I should.  I started checking both ends of the log on the long/big ones to see where I should end up.
6.  Fire can stress a log a lot but maybe not enough to matter once below the hardened outer shell.  I found that sometimes the slab would lift right off the log on the hottest side of the burn.  I'd mill under it and flip the log to see what would happen and it didn't move at all.  Hmmm....flipped it back and got a lot less movement.  Did my best to make something useful and only saw a a few boards that moved early.  I guess a had a couple good face bends and a crown or two that was obvious but otherwise it turned out nicely.
7.  The customer may not understand milling over for drying.  Their builder wanted dimensional, I explained shrinkage, the customer wanted it milled over but not too much....I milled 1 11/16ths instead of 1 5/8ths -- the builder was happy enough in the end but I felt I could have done better and even milled at 1 3/4 (leaving 1 5/8).

probably a lot more -- probably wrong a lot ;) but learned a bunch hopefully for the better!
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: wesdor on April 13, 2016, 08:16:50 PM
Great thread with lots of excellent observations.  Thanks for sharing your excitement with us. 
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Larch on April 13, 2016, 08:43:15 PM
Very inspirational seeing you get your new mill and get right out in there into the game.  Thanks for sharing the journey so far.   
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Lonely Sawer on April 13, 2016, 08:45:28 PM
Thanks Herb. Just a little something I threw together. Jarhead, that is a good whack of lumber there. Good job.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: WV Sawmiller on April 13, 2016, 09:08:11 PM
   All looking good. As to the stickers if the customer is cutting 4/4 side lumber I generally generate enough stickers in the edging process to keep ahead by edging 1" at a time. The edge may peter out but still have 4-5 feet of square 1" on one end or in the middle. If it has enough length to make a sticker I throw it in a separate pile and cut to length as needed. A lot of times I throw a couple handfuls of my dry stickers on the truck so we have some thing to start the first row or two then we generate enough to continue.

    On the deep slabbing when I realize I have slabbed deeper than necessary and left a good board or two I throw the slab on the loader arms and mill out the board(s)when I finish the rest of the cant. Doesn't speed up my production but does increase my yield on customers lumber.

    I have the same issues with the stacking of different lengths making it hard to tally. I know many sawmillers tally as they cut but I don't especially when cutting random widths. It is easier to keep a running tally if you are cutting standard sizes. I tally at the end of the day. With framing lumber I may be able to count the pieces but thinner stuff I just measure. When the customer has mixed the sizes I get him to measure the width and height while I record his numbers and we measure and mutually agree on an average length and use those numbers compute the total cut. We get pretty close and neither of us gains or gets burned too bad. I had one customer who forgot and included part of the previous days cut in the final cut so he double paid. He realized it later and called me and I had the previous day's count so reduced and refunded his overpayment. I make sure to get a tally each day or before a stack of wood leaves the area, whichever comes first.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Magicman on April 13, 2016, 09:28:16 PM
Congrats on a job well done.   smiley_thumbsup

Your next job will be completely different.   :D
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Larch on April 13, 2016, 09:47:48 PM
Does anyone bring dry stickers to handle stickering for the full job?  If cutting stickers on site do you recommend to the client that they get dry stickers and restack as soon as possible to avoid staining?
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Peter Drouin on April 13, 2016, 09:59:18 PM
I would put all the lumber to the side of the mill and keep all the sizes together.



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And in the back if I run out of room. :D :D
Only at the end of the job I might double up some lumber, in the pic you can see where I put bigger lumber on some small wood.


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The customer did the stacking



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Sometimes I would put the lengths on the first board and let it stick out some.



Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Magicman on April 13, 2016, 10:34:47 PM
 

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With over 7700 bf of lumber sawed on this job, it was loaded onto a trailer as I sawed.


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And stickered under the shed.  In this instance, I sawed stickers from dry previously sawn lumber.  Different lengths are stickered separately.

It certainly does help when the customer is knowledgeable and separates the logs according to lengths.  I was able to saw all of the 12's and then the 8's.  I forgot to take a picture of the entire job's lumber.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: OlJarhead on April 14, 2016, 12:00:54 AM
Peter do you off-bear by yourself?

One question for all of you:  If you show up and start the day by lubing the mill etc, at 8am but start actually milling at 9am (after scaling the days logs in my case, lubing the mill, filling water, fuel, checking oil etc etc) do you bill (if by the hour) when the mill starts and loads a log, or when you show up?

I'm curious.  My wife thinks if I am working on the job for the job I bill unless on breaks, I billed based on milling, exceptions in contract are if I break out my chainsaw etc.

Thanks
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Peter Drouin on April 14, 2016, 06:58:30 AM
Yes, I did Best day was 2400 bf of 1" boards. With 2bys I did better. Putting the lumber on the sawdust side of the mill I'm not walking with the lumber. I spin it on the mill set one end on the pile where the size went sliding it then grab the other end and push, 4 to 5 boards at a time. I have a snow shovel and a garbage with wheels to move the sawdust out of the way. That took 10 min and if I had mud or uneven ground. I used the dust to make it nice to walk on.

With an off bearer or two, the wood went off the back end. Best day 5600bf of 1" better with 2bys. And that's full 2" not 1½ stuff and call it 2" for the tally.
you did good . 8) 8)
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: OlJarhead on April 14, 2016, 08:20:57 AM
Wow!  I cannot imagine producing even what I did while unloading it all myself! 

On my question about about billing hourly, here is what my day was like:
8:00am -- arrive on site, unload truck (cant hooks, rake, saw, fuel, 'mill box' -- has ear plugs, extra gloves, ATF, engine oil, pens, safety glasses etc etc -- sweep off mill, lube rails, clean up anything left from the day before (bark under the loaders etc).
-- Fuel mill, top up water, check oil, change band (note: I've since learned to take it off the night before but will still need to put one on in the AM).
-- scale logs for the day (I was doing 10-12 logs and would scale them, mark on them which log they were so I knew later in the day, and mark if I wanted something specific out of the log).
-- mark (slash mark with wood crayon, red or blue) lumber produced the day before so I know what's new on the day.  Check lumber count and verify against cut list.
8:45 -- load log on mill and begin milling
10:45 -- 15 min break, refuel mill, top up water
12:30 or possibly 1pm -- take lunch
after 30m lunch top up mill with fuel and water and get back to milling.
Couple hours later, take break again -- 15m -- top up mill with water (and fuel if needed -- I usually only added once in the day)
Finish milling at 5:45
Pack up from the day, and leave by 6:00pm

Total time onsite:  10hrs  -- billing time to customer 8hrs

Am I wrong?
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: WV Sawmiller on April 14, 2016, 09:35:48 AM
Eric,

   Looks fair to me. Only question I would have would be the time scaling the logs but if that is necessary and saves you time later on I can see the customer paying for it. I don't scale ahead of time but just count the yield at the end of the job but if you need to select certain logs to match items on the cut list I can see that as legitimate customer expense.

    I normally bill by the bf but my basic thoughts are that when billing hourly the customer should be expected to pay for my time from the point where I am ready to work (assuming it is as agreed with the client to be ready by that time too if he is responsible for providing labor). Maintenance including cleaning, set up (band installation/changes, etc.), fueling, etc. is on my nickel. Any log prep, stacking, etc. is customer responsibility (do it or pay me to do so). Interim cleaning of the mill such as blowing the sawdust off the mill and/or lumber, shoveling or blowing sawdust if it builds up to the point it is in the way, moving the slab or lumber pile, cutting any required stickers, etc., is on the customer tab since these jobs must be done to keep a safe an efficient operation.

   I gather some sawyers bill from the time they are hooked up and leave the house. This includes their mill transport and set up. I am not sure if they also bill for break down and return but that is also fair if you explain ahead of time and the customer understands and agrees to such.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Magicman on April 14, 2016, 10:02:25 AM
All scaling and billing should be previously discussed and agreed upon between you and the customer.

I do all of my cleanup and jug refilling in the evening after I stop sawing.  The only activity required in the morning is to apply ATF where needed and install the blade.  When I am sawing hourly rate, the time starts when I engage the blade and stops when I shut the engine off for lunch and quitting time.  I do not take morning and evening breaks.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on April 14, 2016, 11:06:25 AM
I have yet to find a log my mill will not lift.

I have had a pine 24 footer that was 22 inches on the small end with minimum taper. Had to trim the but flare to get the band through.

No problems cutting it at all. That was my first over length beam. 12"X12"X24"
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: PC-Urban-Sawyer on April 14, 2016, 11:11:44 AM
Quote from: Lonely Sawer on April 13, 2016, 08:45:28 PM
Thanks Herb. Just a little something I threw together. Jarhead, that is a good whack of lumber there. Good job.

Well, you can throw me one any time...

Herb
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: OlJarhead on April 14, 2016, 04:22:00 PM
Quote from: Magicman on April 14, 2016, 10:02:25 AM
All scaling and billing should be previously discussed and agreed upon between you and the customer.

I do all of my cleanup and jug refilling in the evening after I stop sawing.  The only activity required in the morning is to apply ATF where needed and install the blade.  When I am sawing hourly rate, the time starts when I engage the blade and stops when I shut the engine off for lunch and quitting time.  I do not take morning and evening breaks.

Curious:  how long does it take you in the AM?  Perhaps I'm still just a little new to getting ready on this mill.  My old mill took me a while since I would check the plane of the two rails every morning and make adjustments as needed etc and that took some extra time.  I also checked all bolts etc to ensure they were tight.  I spent about an hour getting ready in the AM and didn't bill for it.  This job it was closer to 45 minutes and included scaling logs but maybe there isn't much need to do that.  I did it because I had a lot of 2x12's to mill for the customer and needed to know what I had that would produce them and how many etc as well as a reminder to mill certain things out of various logs -- like the 8x8 they wanted.  I wanted to make sure I had a decent minimum 12" SE DIA log that was straight and would likely produce a decent beam -- that was my thinking anyway.  Same with the 6x6's etc.  I scaled the logs, gave them a number (in order they were in the stack but with some on top one might be two depending on how they rolled off) and kept a record of what I milled throughout the day by checking them off the list.  When I saw a number rolled up on the deck, say log 6, I knew what it was scaled at and could produce without needing to measure at that time.  I knew what I intended to do with it and could just get it rolled the way I wanted, clamped down and engage them mill more or less.

In the end I'm justs thinking I'm doing too much in the morning if I'm onsite for 45 minutes to an hour and not being paid for it -- unless of course that's normal.

I also kept track of what I produced because I want to know how I'm doing.  Like a report card so to speak.  If I'm producing 1500bf in an 8 hour day and that's average for an LT40HDG26 when milling pine and my lumber is square and straight than I'm happy.  If on the other hand everyone else is producing fine lumber and milling 3000bf in the same time period than I might be asking too much for my services!  After all, why pay me the same rate that you can pay a MM and get twice the lumber, production, experience whatever.

It's a personal thing but important to me in that I want to produce fine lumber AND produce it at a decent rate for people.  Make sense?

I also don't want to be spending 1 or 2 hours a day working for free when I could be paid for it.  My wife puts it this way "would you have to clean the mill, fuel it up, change the band and add water if you weren't milling for them? and if not, then why on earth would you not be paid for it?".

Of course, in the end I guess you get paid what the customer is willing to pay.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: OlJarhead on April 14, 2016, 04:25:15 PM
I should rephrase that: I keep track of what I produce and post here because.....see above.

I also kept track of the cut list and when I'd milled what they wanted.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Magicman on April 14, 2016, 05:16:24 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on April 14, 2016, 04:22:00 PMCurious:  how long does it take you in the AM?
Maybe 30 minutes, but there is always some bulls that need to be shot.  ;D 
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Kbeitz on April 14, 2016, 06:45:17 PM
I would have billed for the 10 hours. It's all work and someone has to pay.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Dave Shepard on April 14, 2016, 07:01:28 PM
I'm in that camp as well. My time spent on the customers behalf. I wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the customer. Having said that, some things sitting be on my time. Fueling, greasing, breakdowns. You'll have to figure out what feels fair to you, without feeling you are giving too much away.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: WV Sawmiller on April 14, 2016, 07:49:40 PM
   I probably take about 30 minutes each morning getting set up. That includes removing the cover, greasing the moving parts with ATF, lubing the pad on the rail, installing the band, checking the oil, etc. I generally take my fuel and water (if below freezing) tank home with me and fuel/fill it on the way home or on the way back. (Some folks never take their tank off I understand). Also included is putting my tools in place. My short cant hook goes under the front of the mill to turn cants on the mill, my logrite goes on the log pile to load the mill. My leaf blower goes in a certain location. I am probably anal about taking all these things home every night from some secure locations but it is the way I do business. I blow the dust off the mill at the end of every day. My morning routine I do not/would not bill for - some would but I don't.

    I guess the big question to answer is would you think it was fair for a contractor to bill you for the things you are billing your client for? We've said it repeatedly but the main thing is absolute clarity between the customer and sawyer as to what is provided and needs to be paid for in advance. Nobody likes unpleasant surprises.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on April 14, 2016, 08:12:15 PM
My job timer starts when I park my butt in the truck seat to head to job site and stops when I shut the mill off at the end of the day.

Maintenance happens AFTER The mill is shut off at end of day. De duct 1 hour for lunch and coffee breaks.

Keeps it real simple.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Peter Drouin on April 14, 2016, 08:14:49 PM
By the hr , starts when I'm on the job till I leave ½hr off for lunch,

Logs brought here, to cut, The time starts when they drive in to unload them. then starts when I cut the logs in a day or two later.

And if by the bf ,I never scale the logs only the lumber. 

Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: OlJarhead on April 14, 2016, 08:16:59 PM
Tahnks guys....

Here's another one:  Umbrella.  Did you just get a patio umbrella and install it somewhere?  It was HOT and the sun was beating down a couple days...and I have another job ;)
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Magicman on April 14, 2016, 08:19:50 PM
QuoteI am probably anal about taking all these things home every night from some secure locations but it is the way I do business.
All of my tools go home with me too.  Even from a secure location.


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I use the tractor umbrella from Gimplers.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on April 14, 2016, 08:54:58 PM
The way I have my tools and equipment set up in the truck bed the only thing the comes off the truck is my shorty cant hook and it sits against my hydraulic box and my truck gets parked off the end of the mill about 10 to 15  yards.

I rarely saw by the BF and I never scale logs for billing purposes.

BF rate generally apply to the lumber I sell and the BF the client leaves the yard with is what he pays for.   
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Jim_Rogers on April 14, 2016, 08:59:15 PM
Magicman rides every day.
I walk with my mill so I can slide the lumber and slabs off the cant.
I put my umbrella into the upright tube above the engine so it covers the engine and me.
There are picture here if you do a search for umbrella and my name you'll see how it do it.
I take my tools home each day.
I tally as I cut. When it hits the pile I write it down on my clipboard tally sheet.
Total at desk at home in evenings.

I do measure the log but don't scale it. I let the computer do it in the evening.

Keeping track of filling out a cut list is a little time consuming but you need to do that to get the customer his lumber he needs.

My morning set up on the job is not much. But I would include it in my time, when I saw by the hour.

Jim Rogers
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: WV Sawmiller on April 14, 2016, 10:33:21 PM
Jim,

   You mention tallying as you cut. Do you cut standard widths or random? Most of what I cut is random width hardwoods so I would have to measure each board instead of just putting a tick mark in a column.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Brucer on April 15, 2016, 02:27:54 AM
From your perspective: you want to recover the operating expenses for your mill, and earn some money for your hours, and earn something to cover your fixed expenses such as depreciation, insurance, etc.

From the customers' perspective: they expect to pay for the wood you produce.

The problem is one of perception. The customers will wonder why they are paying you to maintain the mill when you aren't producing any wood for them. You wonder why you should not be paid for your time, even if it's maintenance work.

I solved this problem by charging $75 per hour, as recorded on the hour meter. I will probably up it to $85 per hour this season. The customers see they are paying you for sawing. You collect enough money in a days sawing to cover all your time and expenses.

As for setup time, I arrive on site, carry my cant hook and box of milling tools to the mill, check the oil, and start the engine. While the engine is warming up, I take the tools are normally use (tape, square, wire brush, crayon). Then I load up the log that's waiting by the mill and start sawing. 10 minutes max.

Keep in mind -- I have a spare fuel tank that I can swap over (and it doesn't matter if my gas engine runs out of fuel, different story with a diesel). No need to top it up in the morning. I leave a sharp blade on the mill overnight. I inspect the mill for loose bolts and bent pieces while I brush it off at the end of the day. Anything that needs fixing gets done before I leave, unless it's major. The blade lube tank gets topped up at the end of the day.

Starting up quickly in the morning and spending a little time cleaning up at the end of the day leaves a better impression than doing it the other way around. It shouldn't matter, but psychologically it makes a difference.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Ricker on April 15, 2016, 07:13:28 AM
l agree with Brucer. I charge by the hour when the customer has poor quality logs such as small diameter or crooked ugly stuff. The hourly rate is based on how many bf I could saw if I were sawing good quality logs. Time starts when I load the log on the mill. When you saw by the bf who pays for the time you use when you are doing maintaince. It is a matter of perspective.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Jim_Rogers on April 15, 2016, 09:17:21 AM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on April 14, 2016, 10:33:21 PM
Jim,

   You mention tallying as you cut. Do you cut standard widths or random? Most of what I cut is random width hardwoods so I would have to measure each board instead of just putting a tick mark in a column.

When I was cutting hardwoods for a flooring company, he wanted the widest pieces I could get from his logs. But I never did partial inches. I would saw on the full inch in width. But I would saw odd widths instead of all evens like softwood. So my tally sheet would have 4s, 5s, 6, 7s, 8s, 9s on up. And then I'd just do a tick mark on that row.
It really didn't make much sense to me, because he would dry the lumber in his home made kiln chamber in his barn. Then send it out to a millwork company to have it planed and tongue and grooved. It would come back in standard flooring widths. So at some time that place had to "trim" off all the wider ones to their standard widths, so that they could run it through their four side machine.

Jim Rogers
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on April 15, 2016, 10:07:07 AM
Marty;

Don't you think it would be a really good idea to have a Woodmizer umbrella for a Woodmizer?

Make it so it will mount on the seat or on the console.

I'd be all over that like orange on a Woodmizer.

My system works pretty good with a patio umbrella but it could be just a bit bigger. I like MM's umbrella set up too but it needs an orange Woodmizer tarp with Woodmizer stamped on it in nice big letters
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: WV Sawmiller on April 15, 2016, 02:45:02 PM
Quote from: Bandmill Bandit on April 15, 2016, 10:07:07 AM
Marty;

Don't you think it would be a really good idea to have a Woodmizer umbrella for a Woodmizer?

Make it so it will mount on the seat or on the console.

I'd be all over that like orange on a Woodmizer.

My system works pretty good with a patio umbrella but it could be just a bit bigger. I like MM's umbrella set up too but it needs an orange Woodmizer tarp with Woodmizer stamped on it in nice big letters

For those of us who don't have the fancy ride along models I have a prototype shown below. WM will have to produce them in WM Orange. I guess the other sponsors can produce them in their colors. Or the FF can produce them in all colors and let the buyer select the color needed to match his mill.



 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/38064/Umbrella_no_hard_hat.jpg)


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/38064/Umbrella_with_hard_hat.jpg)
For the safety conscious members it can be attached to your hard hat.


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/38064/Hard_hat.jpg)
On cloudy days when not needed you can quickly remove it from your hard hat with no tools required.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Chuck White on April 15, 2016, 04:15:06 PM
I copied my umbrella mount from Forum Member, Red Clay Hound.

The mount is on the sawhead mast, just behind the operators console!
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Brucer on April 15, 2016, 07:49:06 PM
Many years ago a guy brought me a beach umbrella that had a broken mount on the bottom. I stuck it down the vertical mast closest to the control panel and it worked great -- until a heavy wind came along and lift it up out of the mast. The thing then floated sideways right out over the highway that ran below the mill. I never heard any squealing brakes so I guess it didn't do any harm.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Jim_Rogers on April 15, 2016, 08:33:54 PM
Quote from: Brucer on April 15, 2016, 07:49:06 PM
Many years ago a guy brought me a beach umbrella that had a broken mount on the bottom. I stuck it down the vertical mast closest to the control panel and it worked great -- until a heavy wind came along and lift it up out of the mast. The thing then floated sideways right out over the highway that ran below the mill. I never heard any squealing brakes so I guess it didn't do any harm.

That happened to me as well, that is that the umbrella floated away on a stiff uplifting wind. So I got it back from my yard and secured it to the top rail between the two upright tubes with a bungy cord. Now it can't fly away.

Jim Rogers
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: OlJarhead on April 16, 2016, 11:43:07 AM
A few more pics I found that the customer took :)

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/Milling2x4s.jpg)
Milling 2x4's

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/Milling1.jpg)
Hard at it with a decent sized pine.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20footer.jpg)
Small 20 footer on the deck

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/110yrsold.jpg)
110 year old pine ready for the mill.  She counted the rings.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Magicman on April 16, 2016, 12:10:35 PM
I am not familiar with your SimpleSet, but practice and you will find the starting height measurement for splitting the cant.  That way you will not have to make that trim cut.  Your method insured accuracy, just had to make one more cut.


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20011/DSCN2032.JPG)
I do not have a closeup picture but my "cheatsheet" is attached to the left side of my Setworks cover.  It gives me the starting point for many different thicknesses so that I reach my bottom targeted board/cant at the correct cutting height. 

But Accuset equipped sawyers have it easy.   :-\
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: OlJarhead on April 16, 2016, 07:24:12 PM
Simple Set allows just two depths.  So for example if you want to cut 2x's and 4x's (to split cants into 3 or 4 beams to make 2x4's out of for example) you set the simple set to 2 1/8 and 4 1/8 *for full cut* and that's it.  If you then want to split a cant 3 ways you need to add 1/4" to the total.  So for 3 cants each 4 1/8" wide you'd have to have a cant that is 12 7/8" deep.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Jim_Rogers on April 16, 2016, 08:39:48 PM
(4", then 8 1/8" then 12 1/4")
I use this one all the time making full dimension 2x4's
Jim Rogers
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: OlJarhead on April 18, 2016, 08:00:05 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_20160418_122617585_281024x57629.jpg)
Possibly the next job.  7 logs is actually 15 and some (most) will need to get bucked up into shorter stuff.  Nothing very big but positioning isn't optimal and the mill will probably have to backed into the site perpendicular to the logs.

Customer doesn't seem to have a tractor to move the logs either so it will have to be done with cant hooks or 4x4's.  The logs are uphill from the site the mill will probably go so it may not be too hard to turn them to the mill.

Either way, if they want them done I think 2 days will likely get it done.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Peter Drouin on April 18, 2016, 08:45:37 PM
All by the hr I hope.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: OlJarhead on April 18, 2016, 08:52:09 PM
Quote from: Peter Drouin on April 18, 2016, 08:45:37 PM
All by the hr I hope.

Oh absolutely!
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Magicman on April 18, 2016, 08:59:38 PM
Check your tongue weight.  Several times I have backed or pulled into a site, disconnected, and swung the sawmill around by hand.  It may not work for this site, but there will be a time when it may be the best setup option.  That trick will also work if you need to turn around on a narrow road.  My tongue in the tow mode weighs less than 100 lbs.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: OlJarhead on April 18, 2016, 09:09:23 PM
Yup, did that on the old mill once or twice and can see it being done with this one.

This site is slightly uphill from the road, about 40 yards or so, and just about the right amount of room to pull in to the left perpendicular to the logs, back up and pull down so you can back in, again perpendicular.  Pulling straight in so more or less parallel is doable but there is some water running down the hill.  Not much but enough to make it muddy and not ideal.  Best bet is to move the logs me thinks.

Not much room to maneuver but there could be.  They just need a tractor in there to clean up some brush from an old burn pile and I could turn around but that's the problem:  no tractor.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: WV Sawmiller on April 18, 2016, 09:42:59 PM
Quote from: Magicman on April 18, 2016, 08:59:38 PM
Check your tongue weight.  Several times I have backed or pulled into a site, disconnected, and swung the sawmill around by hand.  It may not work for this site, but there will be a time when it may be the best setup option.  That trick will also work if you need to turn around on a narrow road.  My tongue in the tow mode weighs less than 100 lbs.

Did that back in November at a job just down the road. Sawing site was the bend of a narrow mountain road with no good place to turn the mill around while connected to the truck. Had a couple of big young helpers so just dropped the mill and went up and turned my truck around, just had room to get the truck by it pointed downhill. We spun the mill around in the road by hand to point the arms toward the logs and had a truck above and below it. If the log was not lined up with the mill we pulled it with whichever truck was pointed in the right direction. You do what you have to do to get the job done.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Magicman on April 18, 2016, 09:52:32 PM
My last two setups have been on very uneven ground requiring two 2X10's under the side support wheel.  Both repeat customers but you never know what might be next.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: derhntr on April 18, 2016, 10:29:02 PM
With the remote on my LT40HD you just don't pick the tongue up and swing it around. 
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Jim_Rogers on April 18, 2016, 10:55:41 PM
The day I picked up my mill at the dealer's shop in NY, the trainer raised the head up off the travel peg and slid it back a bit to where he had clamped on a pair of vice grips. This lowered the tongue weight from 80 lbs to almost nothing. The mill balanced so close that he could pick it up with one hand and turn it around and wheel it out the shop door to my truck.
I have done this once or twice to turn it around at different times and places.

Jim Rogers

PS. the vice grips are so that the head doesn't slide down to the tail of the mill causing the hitch to go way up. When that happens it is a fight to get it back down. Don't ask me how I know.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Peter Drouin on April 19, 2016, 06:18:25 AM
Sometimes it's best to move the logs. If the customer needs a tractor, tell them to rent one.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: WV Sawmiller on April 19, 2016, 07:12:53 AM
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on April 18, 2016, 10:55:41 PM
The day I picked up my mill at the dealer's shop in NY, the trainer raised the head up off the travel peg and slid it back a bit to where he had clamped on a pair of vice grips. This lowered the tongue weight from 80 lbs to almost nothing. The mill balanced so close that he could pick it up with one hand and turn it around and wheel it out the shop door to my truck.
I have done this once or twice to turn it around at different times and places.

Jim Rogers

PS. the vice grips are so that the head doesn't slide down to the tail of the mill causing the hitch to go way up. When that happens it is a fight to get it back down. Don't ask me how I know.

This works well but an additional caution - be sure the back leg is lowered to within a couple inches of the ground first in case the head does slip past your stops. If not you may find your tongue straight up in the air as Jim mentions above. Several of us have posted about making this mistake in the past with varying results as to the damage or difficulty correcting the mistake.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on April 19, 2016, 07:59:13 AM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on April 19, 2016, 07:12:53 AM
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on April 18, 2016, 10:55:41 PM
The day I picked up my mill at the dealer's shop in NY, the trainer raised the head up off the travel peg and slid it back a bit to where he had clamped on a pair of vice grips. This lowered the tongue weight from 80 lbs to almost nothing. The mill balanced so close that he could pick it up with one hand and turn it around and wheel it out the shop door to my truck.
I have done this once or twice to turn it around at different times and places.

Jim Rogers

PS. the vice grips are so that the head doesn't slide down to the tail of the mill causing the hitch to go way up. When that happens it is a fight to get it back down. Don't ask me how I know.

This works well but an additional caution - be sure the back leg is lowered to within a couple inches of the ground first in case the head does slip past your stops. If not you may find your tongue straight up in the air as Jim mentions above. Several of us have posted about making this mistake in the past with varying results as to the damage or difficulty correcting the mistake.

I have used a short piece of chain with another slip hook to lengthen the safety chain about a foot. Works very well and very little chance of it letting go to cause problems.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Chuck White on April 19, 2016, 10:06:27 AM
I've turned my mill around by hand quite a few times, and what I do is raise the sawhead up off the rest pin, leave the safety chain hooked and move the sawhead as far back as it will reach.

Using a ratchet strap, secure the sawhead to the rear by looping it around the rear jack-post!

Takes quite a bit of weight off of the hitch end.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: OlJarhead on April 21, 2016, 10:00:40 AM
I should probably change the title to oldjarheads milling thread LOL

Anyway, my next customer (I think) is slow to respond on when they want me.  Said they did but haven't settled on a date.  Have a few like that and I'm thinking they will all decide to have me at the same time LOL

Ah well.  Meanwhile I had someone call and leave a message about milling some walnut about 120 miles north of me.  Figure a half day will cost him due to the travel but who knows, he might have enough to make it worthwhile so I'll call him back and see what he has.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Peter Drouin on April 21, 2016, 11:35:59 AM
120, :o :o :o :o :o Well, If the customer has a big bag of $$$$$  Have fun.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Chuck White on April 21, 2016, 03:37:10 PM
That tires me out, just reading about you guys that saw so far away.   :o

My limit is around 25 miles!   :)
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Magicman on April 21, 2016, 07:03:05 PM
Hey, if the customer is willing to meet your travel and sawing fees, then where is the beef?  Sure, a saw stopping breakdown would be a royal pain, but the reward is great.  On my 236 mile trip, I had WM overnight me an alternator, but there was no lost time.  I made a 102 mile trip last week and am scheduled to begin a 60+ mile trip next Tuesday.  The customer OKed a daily travel fee.   move_it
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Dave Shepard on April 21, 2016, 07:21:35 PM
My sawing jobs are always .3 miles from home, on account of my mill being bolted to a 24 ton hunk of concrete. ;D

It surprises me that some of these jobs are so far away. I would have thought there would be more mills around.
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Magicman on April 21, 2016, 07:35:26 PM
Dave, within the last couple of months I have passed many sawmills and several FF members on my way to sawing jobs.  Proper advertising, answering your phone, and returning missed phone calls will get you sawing jobs.  I am constantly amazed by customers telling me that they left un-returned phone messages with my "competition".
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Jim_Rogers on April 21, 2016, 11:59:10 PM
I got a call today from a town DPW worker. He is in the last town in MA. What I mean is he is on the very tip of the Cape.
If you look at a map:



 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10095/Map_to_Provincetown.JPG)

you'll see what I mean.

My map program says 165 miles one way.

They are pulling out, or have pulled out white oak pilings from the harbor and want to saw them up into timbers and planks. Some are 45' long, to be cut back.

He's doing a log inventory to see how many bdft he may have.

Jim Rogers
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: YellowHammer on April 22, 2016, 06:39:50 AM
That's unique, wonder what barnacles do to a band??   :D
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: terrifictimbersllc on April 22, 2016, 07:14:47 AM
I've taken the ferry before, to save time driving.  This is New London CT to Orient Point NY (tip of Long Island)



 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/21495/ferry_route.jpg)

On the ferry with the Peterson loaded in back of my truck. 



 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/21495/Ferry.jpg)
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: alanh on April 22, 2016, 12:57:06 PM
Small world, I know one of the purple dump truck drivers., I remember him telling me about hauling to L.I.,
I was in Provincetown this summer......interesting population there...
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: terrifictimbersllc on April 22, 2016, 05:46:45 PM
There were a whole bunch of them on that ferry.   Mostly commercial traffic that early in the morning.  It wouldn't have been prohibitive to have taken the Woodmizer (about $150 more), only that since I don't do DOT, I don't tow in business outside of CT. 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 22, 2016, 08:18:03 PM
MM might have a point there.  The customer who's about 120 miles away will pay mileage etc and had someone else with a smaller WM do some work previously but the guys busy apparently so he decided to call me and since i returned his call he's wanting me to come out.

It won't be a big job by the sound of it with just 1 log that's 24"x12' then a half dozen 5 to 6 foot sections all about 16" to 20" and finally some 6"-8" stuff only 4 to 8 feet long.  He figures the tree was about 100 years old and came down in a big windstorm.  He just wants it slabbed and has a place to stack, sticker and band it for drying.  Guy seemed to understand the process well and while it won't be a big job it will pay and that is the key to paying off a mill right? ;)

So, the 30th I'm gone milling 15 logs that once bucked up will yield maybe 20-25 shorter logs (some are only 12' long now and some are maybe 45' but pretty small at the ends) and a rough guess of maybe 1500bf, then shortly after I'll do the Walnut and then have a couple brewing back up by the property :D

On a side note I met with WM down in Portland this week and was advised that my drive belt was loose (just from what I told them I went through on the last job) and that I needed to use Pinsol and Dish Detergent with the water for lube - I saw a recipe here somewhere and think they said a stout half cup of pinesol and a few drops of detergent.

I'll swap the wheel belts, tighten the drivebelt, do some general maintenance (from the book) and should get my bands back in a few days (they were WAY backed up!) then I'll be back to milling :)

May this spring keep going with lots of work :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 23, 2016, 11:04:22 PM
Swapped the wheel belts and tightened the drive belt.  I found that loosening the two 'jam nuts' on the bottom and the one on top allowed me to turn the main part of the turn buckle BUT found that tightening up the bottom nut also tightened the belt...hmmm....not how I expected it to work.  Read the book a couple times and still not certain if I'm doing something wrong.  Tension is right about 7/16" deflection and 14lbs but am wondering about the turn buckle.  The ones on my tractor and the ones I had on sports cars (slalom cars) all worked the way I expected this one too -- in that the center portion was threaded but in this case it doesn't seem to be.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 23, 2016, 11:12:55 PM
http://woodmizer.com/us/Resources/Videos/LCeid/155796/drive-belt-tension-lt30lt40lt50
Watched this -- will try again tomorrow.

Seems I did the wrong thing by loosening the bottom jam nuts and the top.  Grrrrr......I'll check it out again tomorrow and with luck didn't mess anything up.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Chuck White on April 24, 2016, 07:16:13 AM
Some different than the older mill, like mine!

I have to loosen both jam-nuts, then turn the center section!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: MartyParsons on April 24, 2016, 04:29:01 PM
Hello,
   If you have a Wood Mizer LT30 or LT40 without auto clutch then there is a right hand thread and a left hand thread on the turn buckle . If you have auto clutch option ( which is standard on new mills) then you can move either end of the turn buckle to adjust the drivie belt. Most times just the top jam nut and turn the long hex shaft to adjust. The lower nuts can have a collar with a set screw, you can loosen the set screw and move the collar up to get to the nut.
You should also check the brake adjustment and throttle cable after you change the drive belt tension.
Review the owners manual and auto clutch manual for pictures and a better description on how this is done.

Hope this helps.
Marty
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 24, 2016, 08:41:47 PM
Thanks Marty, it was the video that confused me but I think I'm good on tension, just need to check the throttle and break.  It's a new mill with 45hrs on it so the belt tension was overdue!

Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 24, 2016, 08:43:07 PM
Hmmm....call to mill about 30 logs of apple.  Anyone milled apple?  Logs are 12 to 18" wide and up to 10 feet long but some have bends in them.  He's looking for live sawn stuff as well as some 'planks' for flooring...we shall see what we can get!

If all goes well I'll be milling Pine this weekend, Walnut during the week and the apple and some beams after that... :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on April 24, 2016, 09:05:36 PM
Looks like your sawing opportunities are coming along.  Saw the live edge stuff out of the logs with sweep. 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Chuck White on April 25, 2016, 07:26:43 AM
I sawed a couple of Apple logs a few years back!

Saws pretty easy, didn't have any issues!

It takes a lot of years to create an Apple log!   :P

Growth rings are tight!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 25, 2016, 03:56:39 PM
I have to admit I hope this continues!  Had another potential customer reach out to me about a half dozen walnut logs he has and wants to have milled up :)

Nothing beats having a mill except having people book you to do milling for them ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Dave989 on April 25, 2016, 09:23:03 PM
Oljarhead, I am wondering if you are advertising your business or is it word of mouth? If you are advertising what method and where? I am trying to expand my sawmill business and looking for other avenues other then craigslist.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 26, 2016, 12:14:09 AM
Quote from: Dave989 on April 25, 2016, 09:23:03 PM
Oljarhead, I am wondering if you are advertising your business or is it word of mouth? If you are advertising what method and where? I am trying to expand my sawmill business and looking for other avenues other then craigslist.

I do.  I use CL and FB.  If you use FB do a search on 'Buy sell and trade' in your area and you will probably find sites for each city around you (or in my case 'town')....it's a good resource.  I also do 'Forest Owner Field Days' for the local University Extension Office / Forester.  I bring the mill (no charge of course) and show people what a portable mill can do.  The forester might then pass on the word (he has)...and I use WM's Pro Sawyer network and a few others.

Honestly I quit doing it a few years ago and just did my own milling but then this year got tired of not being able to do jobs for people who had 30-50 logs all too big for my smaller mill and bought the Lt40HD and haven't looked back ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 28, 2016, 07:20:25 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_20160428_115513587_281024x57529.jpg)
No the best picture but this is the apple a customer wants milled.

I found some logs about 4 to 6 feet long and 12 inches in diameter or so and a lot of checking on the ends.  I'm not sure there is much there worthwhile but suggested he pull out the best logs, trim them, get rid of the branches etc and we could do a 4hr min to see what we can get out of them.

He milled a couple boards with a chainsaw and made a beautiful bar top with them but I'm worried that the year they've sat out in the sun (sometimes with water on them) that they've checked beyond much use.

Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 29, 2016, 02:40:28 PM
So after finding the jam nuts on the drive belt tensioner to be too close to use standard wrenches I bought two Proto thin wrenches for the job and added them to my tool box.  I also bought a nice small magnetic nuts and bolts holder to use on the mill while working on something so I don't lose nuts and bolts :)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: MartyParsons on April 29, 2016, 02:55:21 PM
Hello,
   You can adjust the lower nuts. But most times I just adjust the top nut and the long hex assembly. Engage the Auto Clutch, Loosen the top nut. Disengage the clutch turn the long hex assembly by  hand. Engage the clutch, check belt tension with gauge. Tighten the nut while holding the long hex with a wrench.
I will see if I can find a picture.
Marty
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 30, 2016, 12:59:53 AM
Makes sense.  Thanks.

I finally figured out which 'throttle spring' to check the throttle on after adjusting belt tension  dadgum you, Charlie!

The book wasn't very clear but I got it sorted, checked the linkage and threw out my back somewhere this afternoon.

Fun stuff.

Milling tomorrow.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 30, 2016, 10:22:05 PM
Well CRAP!!!!  :snowball:

Seems my alternator quit on a job!  I was milling away and thinking "gee the mill seems to be drawing back slowly today for some reason" (didn't seem to think why just yet) and though "maybe it's just me"......

Then I noticed the hydraulics were running sorta slow too....hmmmmm

After 4 hours of milling and 1200bf milled for the customer (yup, but let's be honest here, milling 4x4's, 4x6's, 8x8's and 2x4's doesn't take that long) the mill just wouldn't run the hydraulics.

After much messing around and after licking myself for not bringing along the multimeter I took OUT of my toolkit the day before (where is the hammer on the head emoticon?) the customer brought one out and the battery was down to 10.9v!!!!!  CRAP!  We checked at the alternator too and it wasn't putting out.  When the mill sat not running for several minutes the battery would bounce back to 11.4v but as soon as I fired up the motor it would drop to 11.3 and hold there as long as I didn't put a draw from the hydraulics on it.

So I packed up, billed the customer for the 4 hours of milling prior to the alternator/battery debacle and headed home wishing WoodMizer was open on Saturdays....now how long to get it fixed/replaced???

On a side note the customer was expecting a lot bigger bill from me :D and since I told him I would not charge my mobile setup and delivery fee if he wants me back to finish the job he said "yes!  We'll have you back for sure!"

On another side note I wacked the side supports AGAIN! and hit the log clamp (skimmed it really).  I think I was just too pre-occupied with the mill shutting down on me and I should have stopped before getting into the last log but I was being stubborn and thinking I could keep going if I just....heck I don't know.

So ya, that sucked.

Oh but the umbrella was cool :)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Dad2FourWI on April 30, 2016, 10:35:08 PM
Easy to side-tracked on one problem and make some new ones.....  >:(   >:(

Still, sounds like a pretty good day.... beats 4 hours behind the desk!   :D

I liked your comment on the "magnetic buts and bolts holder"... great idea! - I wish I would have seen that a bit sooner.... :-[

Cheers,
-Dad2FourWI
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on April 30, 2016, 10:51:24 PM
 

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You also need one of these magnets to find stuff that is dropped/lost in the sawdust.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on April 30, 2016, 11:03:45 PM
Hey Oldjarhead

The alternator is a weak spot on the LT40s but it is very easy and not costly to fix.

I have posted quite a bit of info on here re the alternator. The one that is currently on my mill has 800 ish + hours and going strong.

First thing is get a proper alternator belt UNLESS wood mizer has upgraded the OEM belt, which was a fractional HP belt not designed for the heat and load an alternator delivers. I blew 3 alternators in the first 700 hours. I did all my mods and haven't blown one since.

Here is a belt from NAPA that work extremely well. That one has 800 ish hours and counting. Not cheap but well worth it. 


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The next thing that helped a lot was a 1/2 inch smaller pulley on the alternator. This helped mostly with moving more air to help the alternator run cooler. I also added computer heat sinks to mine and got my alternator running under 200 degrees on a hot day under heavy sawing.

That alternator is likely a Delco CS130 105 Amp. If you search I have posted a LOT of info and resource links to address this issue. If you can get a Wilson industrial rebuilt you will be very happy with it. 
 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Chuck White on May 01, 2016, 07:04:01 AM
Take the alternator to your nearest "Auto Electric" shop and have it rebuilt.

When you can swing it, get a new alternator and you'll have a spare!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Ga Mtn Man on May 01, 2016, 08:52:08 AM
Fortunately, OJH's mill is under warranty.  I think WM will be wanting the old one back.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on May 01, 2016, 09:29:02 AM
Quote from: Ga Mtn Man on May 01, 2016, 08:52:08 AM
Fortunately, OJH's mill is under warranty.  I think WM will be wanting the old one back.

Yes that is probably true GaMtn man.

The heat factor is what caused all 3 of mine to blow. 2 were not worth re-buliding they were so fried. Cooling was the single most important issue on mine and since I addressed that issue, no more problems. The last one that blew was running at about 340 to 360 degrees on a hot day and now runs around 180 to 200 degrees.

Belt and pulley probably did about 80 % of the fix.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 01, 2016, 11:17:34 AM
Do you have a thread on cooling the alternator?  Is it in the useful mods thread?
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Gearbox on May 01, 2016, 01:44:21 PM
OJH heat is almost always the reason . If you can put a maintainer on the battery when sitting idle . An alternator will maintain the load but doesn't like to maintain and charge back up a low battery
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 01, 2016, 02:46:12 PM
Quote from: Gearbox on May 01, 2016, 01:44:21 PM
OJH heat is almost always the reason . If you can put a maintainer on the battery when sitting idle . An alternator will maintain the load but doesn't like to maintain and charge back up a low battery

I'll have to charge the battery back up if it didn't charge from the 90 mile drive home from the jobsite but in the end the alternator has to keep the battery charged and provide the power to drive the hydraulics at idle.  If it can't do that it's too small to begin with.

If heat is killing it than WM has to find a cure for that or they will get a bad name associated with the LT40 and others using this setup....after all, who wants a mill that has to have the alternator replaced every 50 hours?
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on May 02, 2016, 12:20:32 AM
Look up the woodmizer alternator issues thread and there is some stuff in the useful sawmill mods too.


Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 02, 2016, 06:06:52 PM
Thanks for all the input!  I've fixed the mill!  8)

As I mentioned in the alternator thread it was just the exciter wire (goes to the battery light in the control panel) that was loose.  Seems it must have been a little loose from when they showed me the guts of the panel at the shop and only just finally came all the way off this weekend.  Stuck it back on and the alternator went back to charging :)

Too bad I didn't know all this then but I'm a little wiser now ;)
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Post by: Seavee on May 02, 2016, 06:38:20 PM
Good info, Now I'll keep that in mind . All this stuff helps if you can remember it. Glad you got it worked out.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: WV Sawmiller on May 02, 2016, 06:51:18 PM
Eric,

   Glad you are back in business. Its amazing sometimes how something so simple can shut you down. I give the WM and other mill customer support guys due credit for their patience dealing with frustrated customers. They are pretty dang good at systematically walking you through the different possible problems till they find the problem.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on May 02, 2016, 06:55:05 PM
Yes Eric that is one that i forgot to mention. Mine is has a spot of solder on it. so it stays put.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 02, 2016, 08:06:07 PM
Good idea on the spot of soldier....funny thing is it was the customer who sent me the link to WM's Battery and Alternator testing...and I didn't realize it at the time!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on May 02, 2016, 11:17:44 PM
That is pretty cool. Thats kinda customer you want to keep for sure.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: MartyParsons on May 03, 2016, 08:09:28 AM
Hello,
    Cooling of the Delco-Remy Alternator is done through the fan on the front pulley. I think the air is pulled through from the rear. I had a customer who said he cleaned the rear of the alternator and the end of each shift. He had no issues with alternators. He was one to always keep parts on hand to reduce down time. He had others would would use him as a parts store when they had some issues. He would not let others use his alternator because he said they would not keep them clean and early failure would result. I guess I am passing this advice he gave me on to you.  Clean your alternator with a blower at the end of the shift.  ;)

Hope this helps.

Marty
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Timster on May 03, 2016, 08:35:59 AM
Years ago, I'm dating myself here, there was an option on most alternators, the "Police" pulley. It was smaller in diameter and had additional cooling so the alternators would produce more power while idling and run cooler. Don't know if it still applies but it may be worth a look.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Kbeitz on May 03, 2016, 08:39:27 AM
A little off topic... An Alternator will charge running both ways.
Always make sure you got the right fan. There are made for the rotation.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Chuck White on May 04, 2016, 07:22:08 AM
Quote from: Kbeitz on May 03, 2016, 08:39:27 AM
A little off topic... An Alternator will charge running both ways.
Always make sure you got the right fan.
There are made for the rotation.

Good point, and often overlooked.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: tomsteve on May 04, 2016, 02:58:41 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on April 25, 2016, 03:56:39 PM
I have to admit I hope this continues!  Had another potential customer reach out to me about a half dozen walnut logs he has and wants to have milled up :)

Nothing beats having a mill except having people book you to do milling for them ;)

just wanted to chime in and say your adventures/journey has been awesome to follow over the last couple years. i look forward when i come on here to see what you're up to
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 09, 2016, 07:03:51 PM
Off to mill up some walnut for a customer tomorrow.  This will be a LONG drive!  140miles each way.  He's paying mileage (one way past my 50 mile zone that I'll travel to without mileage) and by the hour.  Expecting it to be about 4 hrs of milling (or less but my min is 4hrs) and then I'll pack up and head back the 140miles to home.

My customer that I had the breakdown on reached out to me and asked me to come back in June :)

Should have a couple more jobs in May and a long weekend planned with my honey at the cabin.  I don't plan to do much at the cabin but enjoy it and relax with maybe a little cleanup and tractor work.  With luck I'll be too busy to do much cabin work until summer! ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 11, 2016, 09:01:33 AM
140 miles each way to this customer....but it was worth it I think and he was VERY happy!  He told me: the other guy is about 10 miles away but I'd rather hire you to come back in the future!  You work hard and I am really happy with your milling.  He also took some cards to give to other he thought might want to hire me.

It isn't that I want to drive 140 miles each way all the time but it doesn't hurt to go mill for a half day now and then when nothing else is going on.


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Pic of one log to mill

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Another 'log'

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Pile of Walnut 'logs'  :D

No worries we had fun ;)

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Setup right off the road.

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Closer look at the largest chunk.  Sadly it did not yield much because it was too punky.

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Had to put something against the side stabilizers in order to clamp some of these 'logs' on the mill but it worked.

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Last of the pics I took (I was too busy milling).  I did one root section for him to see what it would give and it did have some nice grains in it, so too did some of the crooks and areas where branches were removed etc etc.  54 boards later, all but a couple either 2", 3" or 4" thick and everything from 29" short to 8 feet long, most but not all about 15 to 24 inches wide too :D

Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on May 11, 2016, 09:56:54 PM
I was surprised to read that you give the first 50 miles away.  :P  That 100 miles (round trip) is costing you $54.00.  That is not my figure, but the IRS mileage rate. 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: KirkD on May 11, 2016, 10:00:28 PM
Quote from: Magicman on May 11, 2016, 09:56:54 PM
I was surprised to read that you give the first 50 miles away.  :P  That 100 miles (round trip) is costing you $54.00.  That is not my figure, but the IRS mileage rate.

Even if you give it away keep track of your miles for tax time on cost.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 12, 2016, 08:46:20 AM
Inside 50 miles I charge a mobile setup fee of one hour.  Outside of 50 miles I charge the setup fee and mileage over 50 miles plus a higher milling rate.  So to deliver and setup the mill I charged $174 and then a slightly higher rate ($10/hr higher).  In the end I look at it this way:

If I'm milling close to home (say within 50 miles) and mill for 8 hours plus 2hrs drive time (there and back) and 1 hr setup I'm working at 11hrs total that day (if it's a one day job).  Those 11 hours pay me $675 which works out to just over $61/hr for my time ($75/hr to the customer plus setup fee).

If I mill for a half day 140 miles away I drive two hours (Interstate) each way, 1 hr setup and mill for 4 hours I'll 'work' 9 hrs and earn just over $57/hr ($85/hr to the customer).  It's not the same but it's pretty close.

I setup my fee structure that way because I don't really want to mill that far away but I will if someone is willing to pay me to do so.  This last customer was very happy and told me I was more reasonable than the guy who was 10 miles away, has more or less the same mill (older LT40) and I produced more for him and worked harder.  My take?  If he's the only one to ever hire me I might be asking too much but then I don't really want to drive 140 miles each way to every job so it might be just right ;)

I started with this fee setup 4 yrs ago on the SMLT10 and got the idea off a guy in southern Oregon who charges more the further he has to go.  Not sure it's really what I'll be doing in 6 months or a year from now but since I've just gotten back into business this year it's what I'm doing.  His rate for anything over 100 miles is over $100/hr though he may also travel with a helper.  I see rates anywhere from $65/hr and billed from the moment they leave their home to $85/hr with a setup fee and mileage but most of those, no, all of those are over on the coast where there are dozens of mobile mills and portable mills if not hundreds.  It's forestry country over there. 

On the other hand I'm in the desert and can drive a long way to get to trees when I am home in Moses Lake, as such I charge based on which location is closest to the customer rather than where I am at.  My place up in the hills is in dry forest country and closer to most of my customers so what I do is drive the mill up to my place and then go from there.  Most of my customers have been 30 to 50 miles away.

My thoughts are that I should really consider a flat rate and a flat mileage rate instead but with the mobile setup fee I kinda debate whether I should do a flat mileage rate or not and as mentioned I don't really want to drive too far without it at least paying me what I'd earn if I didn't drive that far -- make sense?  Ultimately I'd earn the same driving 200 miles to a job and putting in a 16 hour weekend as I would working a 16 hour weekend close to home and that's my goal with pricing.

On that. my thought is that I should be able to produce 2800bf of softwood in an 8 hour day if the logs are perfect, the help is stellar and the mill is running like a champ.  That's 350bf/hr and this is an LT40HDG26 after all.  So, if all things being equal and right in the world my rate for milling softwoods would run about $250Mbf or 25c/bf which is pretty good for softwoods.  However, if the customer has a bunch of little 'pecker poles' and I have to do all the work myself my milling rate is going to hit the bottom pretty quickly and the charge per bf is going to go way up on an hourly job....and that's ok too as long as they understand they are paying me by the hour.  I find there is an incentive there for them to get me the best logs they can and help me as well as they can because then I'm making sawdust and they are getting more lumber per dollar of their hard earned cash :)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: bkaimwood on May 12, 2016, 06:36:29 PM
Thank you Eric, for such a detailed report of your current rate system.. All makes sense to me..I don't pick on or sweat the small numbers either...some jobs just make a bit more $$, some less...as long as the customer understands all charges ahead of time, and you are fair, its all good. I agree with having higher fees the further you migrate from home....makes sense for many reasons, overall risk being primary. I never agreed with, used, or considered using a mileage rate, and here's why...we are all essentially selling time in the end...a 50 mile trip can take 45 minutes or 3 hours, depending on roads, speed limits, construction, rural, suburban, city, region, the list goes on.  So my travel/destination/setup fee is based upon an estimate as it relates to time, by the hour...I've sawed multiple locations with a 50 mile trip that was about an hour and 15 minutes...so that would be 25 bucks, or 20 bucks an hour...nowhere close to cutting it. Everyone has a varied system that seems to work well for them, in their area...
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on May 12, 2016, 06:48:14 PM
OK, I misread it to mean that you traveled and setup within 50 miles for free.  That would be unnecessarily leaving your mileage and travel time on the table.   smiley_thumbsup

We all do it slightly differently, but in the end we must be paid for our travel time, truck mileage, and setup labor.   ;D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 12, 2016, 06:56:13 PM
Good points BK and MM.

Looks like I'm going to be busy next weekend!  Guy called me 117miles away with 20 big logs he wants milled up in two days!  :o  Some are too big for the mill (4 feet in diameter) but he's got plenty he says that are in the 18-24" at the big end (20 footers) and some in the 36" at the big end that are 20 and 30 feet long.  He's going to cut them all down to the lengths he wants (12 footers mostly) thank god!  I hate milling 20 footers for 12 foot lumber frankly.

Anyway, he booked me for the 21st and 22nd so away we go!

Still got some others on the back burner but for some reason May is the month to drive drive drive!!!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on May 12, 2016, 09:39:32 PM
Remember that on the 36", etc, you will have to carefully lower your side supports some and let the log move as far to the left as possible and you still be able to get the head by.


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I always lay a 2X4 beside the side supports for extra "insurance".
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 12, 2016, 10:49:58 PM
Quote from: Magicman on May 12, 2016, 09:39:32 PM
Remember that on the 36", etc, you will have to carefully lower your side supports some and let the log move as far to the left as possible and you still be able to get the head by.


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I always lay a 2X4 beside the side supports for extra "insurance".

OK WOW!  That's a great point!  The largest I've done isn't quite that big and I didn't have to do that so thanks for that awesome tip!  You probably just saved me a ton of head scratching ;) Funny thing is I've done similar things with walnut 'logs' that have big crooks in them the customer wants milled.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Upper on May 13, 2016, 12:08:11 AM
Quote from: Magicman on May 12, 2016, 09:39:32 PM
Remember that on the 36", etc, you will have to carefully lower your side supports some and let the log move as far to the left as possible and you still be able to get the head by.


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I always lay a 2X4 beside the side supports for extra "insurance".
I did not figure this out till my father said son can I say something? I grumbled "What",and then apologized with " that is a good idea". Marginal logs will bite you
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Brucer on May 15, 2016, 02:03:24 AM
I had a customer bring a couple of 17' logs that were 44" and 48" diameter. He split them in half with a chainsaw (30" bar) and I loaded the half logs on the mill and stood them up against the side stops to break them down.

The job involved a lot of timber handling and I had to resaw the faces that were cut with the chainsaw. However, there was a lot of really nice edge grain stuff. The customer paid by the hour and was very pleased with the result.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Upper on May 15, 2016, 10:10:15 AM
After splitting a log, do you make a flat cut of say 6 inches for the bed side od the log?
  And can you do this with just the Hyd. on the Mill?
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Brucer on May 17, 2016, 04:33:10 PM
With oversize half logs, I break them down to smaller pieces that can be easily handled. The 40" plus logs I set up vertically against the side stops, raised the head as high as I could (maximum blade height = 35") and sawed off an "edge". I had to remove the dragback arms to handle that 48" piece :o.

Next step was to drag the bottom back across the mill (with the clamp) and easy my newly cut edge against the side stops. At this point I could either make a cut parallel to the split face, or stand the half log up with the split face away from the side stops and saw off the other "edge". In this case I didn't have a flat face to hold against the side stops so I used the clamp to hold the bottom edge in and a square to ensure the split face was approximately vertical.

From there on I had manageable pieces so I pretty much did what the customer requested. Like a 4" x 20" edge grain "slab" ;D.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Weekend_Sawyer on May 18, 2016, 11:24:13 AM
I been using my buddy's LT35 for the past month sawing trees from clearing my lot and this thread and videos have given me some great tips for running this mill. Thanks
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 23, 2016, 08:55:15 AM
A 6x10x16 bounced off the ground when I dropped it and jammed/broke my middle finger so typing is tough....but 27 logs later I'm done! [edit: 27 not 25 logs]

Only trouble was my drive belt was loose on day two and after wavy cuts I couldn't stop I checked and tension was 10lbs so an hour later and I was at 15lbs and really going good!
My last log scaled at 450bf and was an adventure to mill!  I wish I recorded the time when I started but I'm certain it was 6:38pm and I finished it an hour later!

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24" at the small end, 17 feet long and a large flare on the big end that took some creative milling to get past!

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I cut it down to 18" CANT then knocked off a 6x18" beam and dropped it onto the forks,  my mill doesn't seem to have the power to mill 3 2x6's at once or I'm doing something wrong!

I then milled down the 12x18 cant into 2x6's and flipped up the flitches and milled them down against the remaining 6x6's before finishing them off.  Then flipped the 6x18 back on and ripped it down in a hurry.  DONE!

Man that finger hurts too!  Swollen and bruised....not much can be done with broken fingers though :() other than wait it out.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 23, 2016, 09:04:03 AM
Day one was 1920bf produced out of 1670bf of logs.  There were over 130 1x6's in that too!  So that could have been much better production if, for example, it was all 2x's instead!

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Another big pine - with stress to work out!

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This was typical of what I milled this weekend but I did have some small logs too!

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A wack of lumber....mostly 1x6's but some 2x's, 4x's and 6x's too!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: paul case on May 23, 2016, 09:04:45 AM
Boy it sounds like you are getting along good on the milling. Sorry to hear about the fingers though.
We learned on those bigguns with a flare to put the flare toward the saw. When trimming it down you will not get stuck chainsawing a piece off to get the guide by the log. Of course I know when doing portable you have to take them as they come unless the customer has a lift or loader.

PC
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 23, 2016, 09:07:36 AM
Ya I'm beginning to hate the big ends not being at my end!  But his tractor could barely move that sucker!  Got stuck on the debarker once and darn near on the rollers but sneaked it by.

Only real issue was the darn drive belt!  Grrrr can[t adjust it too much more either so it better settle down and stop stretching!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 23, 2016, 02:47:00 PM
 8) Finger is NOT broken!  just jammed pretty bad.

Turns out I did just over 4500bf for this customer.  Biggest issue I had was squaring the first two faces, seems on the bigger logs I have a hard time making sure the log is tight to the side stabilizers and though it looks good the first open on second face reveals it's not.  Rolling a 450bf log around to try to get it right can be a challenge so I'll probably be looking around here to see who might have a good way to do it.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 23, 2016, 02:59:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfv3BBApyHA
This was the 27th log (I was telling them the 25th but I forgot I'd done 12 on Saturday, not 10!)...

Couldn't roll it with one long and one short CANT Hook so we rolled it with the tractor..I need to get a hook like MM and others use just for this reason!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Dave Shepard on May 23, 2016, 06:24:14 PM
You should have no problem sawing through 18 inches of wood. I used to saw through two feet or more of oak with a 24hp WM.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 23, 2016, 07:41:10 PM
Maybe it was just me, or it was just too slow.  I could mill an 12" cant (split) into 2x6s and then a 6" cant into 2x faster than an 18" though I didn't time it.

I also noticed the blade started to 'sing' a bit in a cut 18 inches or better and got warmer (kept having to tighten it up)...but admittedly I did cut through the original 22" fine, it was just slow.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: bkaimwood on May 23, 2016, 09:22:33 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on May 23, 2016, 07:41:10 PM
Maybe it was just me, or it was just too slow.  I could mill an 12" cant (split) into 2x6s and then a 6" cant into 2x faster than an 18" though I didn't time it.

I also noticed the blade started to 'sing' a bit in a cut 18 inches or better and got warmer (kept having to tighten it up)...but admittedly I did cut through the original 22" fine, it was just slow.
A singing blade is a pretty sure sign of dullness, and need for a change...I too, tighten it, and fight it off for a bit...the heat is from the friction created by dullness...nice work wrestling with those logs!!
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Post by: Magicman on May 23, 2016, 10:31:35 PM
X2 what bkaimwood said.  A hot blade is generally a dull blade.  If one starts loosing tension, "there is your sign".
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 23, 2016, 11:46:04 PM
I guess I am expecting more out of them.  How often are you changing them out?  I must have run through 8 or 10 this weekend (I need to count them to see still).

I used double hards, bimetals and a couple Turbo 7's.  The Double Hards should run at least 2-3 hours from what I've read people saying here, and the bimetals longer but what I need to think about is BF rates vs how often to change the band...if milling 250bf/hr and a band last only say, 500 bf then 2 hrs of milling is what you get....right?
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on May 24, 2016, 12:28:37 AM
Hey Eric

I would say you are for sure havin fun.

As far as BF per sharpen cycle you'll get over it with experiance and you will learn the "feel" and "sound" (harmony) of YOUR happy mill. Every one is marginal different.

As i have stated before I sharpen my own bands and I sharpen and set fresh put of a new box BEFORE the band goes on the mill.

Right now my average BF per sharpen cycle runs between 1200 and 1500 BF per cycle and on occasion as high as 2000 +/- BF. BUT of the other end of tyhe scale I get logs at times that will finsh a blade in 300BF or less.

There are so many factors that affect the BF per cycle that it is really impossible to try and nail a "should cut" BF number per sharpen cycle.

There was a time when I had a hard time to get a thousand feet as an average AND I didn't get a single blade sharpened out where I couldn't sharpen it again. Every band broke at 5 to 7 sharp cycles.

That was a result of poor sharpening technic. Thanks to a half hour hands on tutorial session with Garry at the Woodmizer booth at the Ag show 3 years ago I sharpen as good or better than the resharp program. If I didnt I wouldn't be sharpening new blades BEFORE I use them.

Now if a band breaks its my fault OR trap metal. 

I dont know that I could explain all the nuances of blade expertise but it come with sawing more logs AND spending time reading and watching other sawyers sharpen and hands on with the Woodmizer people.

You will get it and it will be a as much a part of you as music is to Carry Underwood and Brad Paisley along with many others.

A singing blade on pitch is a happy blade. If it is flat it is probably to loose. if not loose definitely dull. If its sharp its to tight. Sharp with a tick its about to break.

Then there is the saw dust quality, etc etc.

You will get it! Let it go! The sooner you let it go the sooner it will all come together!
     
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Post by: ST Ranch on May 24, 2016, 12:23:03 PM
ERIK
BB's post above has a lot to it. - I was a lot like you when I got my first mill, trying to quantify everything and actually "overthink" every thing I did. - At the time, I had a partner I was milling with and he was almost the opposite. He just went with the flow and we learned together what worked and what did not.

Today, it [milling] kind of comes natural and I get anywhere from 300 BF - 1200+ BF from a blade sharpening. Depends a lot on species, size of log, moisture content [ and sap] and ring density, etc.

Some of the older growth D-fir, Larch and Py with real tight ring count [especially if dry and pitchy - or pitch pockets in larch] are real slow cutting and eat blades if you don't use lots of lube. On the other hand green spruce and lodge-pole pine cut like a knife through butter.

That said, I see you appear to be milling big diameter Doug-fir [and possibly yellow pine] - those big fir butt logs can be slow to mill and use up blades quickly due to pitch build-up, overheating of blade and loosing your set. - try running lots of lube - I mix 1/3 window wash to 2/3 water when doing big pine and fir.  Also if those logs are fairly fresh cut - they will be in the spring sap flow and lots of pitch to deal with.

Bruce R might also have some ideas on this as he cuts similar species.

Anyway - keep up the good work, keep learning, and keep posting your efforts cuz we all get to learn from the feedback everyone one here sends our way.

Tom

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Post by: OlJarhead on May 24, 2016, 01:52:01 PM
Thanks guys.  On the Lt10 I just ran until the thing started to follow knots...on this mill there is just a LOT more to it!

I did finally figure out the drive tension was down (10lbs) and got it tighter and then all seemed to settle and I was cutting nice and flat, I just felt it was cutting too slow on an 18-22" cant and seemed to be changing out bands every couple hours at one point.

Maybe I just need a job where all goes right and I can actually get a good feel! lol  You'd think with 5-6 years of milling under my belt I'd have a better feel but changing from a 10 to a 40 seemed to set me back a bit.

Still, I'm making sawdust so all is good :)  Oh and I get paid to make it too!
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Post by: Brucer on May 25, 2016, 12:20:46 AM
I'm kind of like Tom. As low as 300 BF per sharpening, up to over 1000 BF per sharpening. But those are outliers. Normally I sit in the 500- 800 range.

I've learned a few things along the way to keep the blades sharp longer.

Remember ... all logs have dirt in the bark (yes, they do, trust me on this).
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on May 25, 2016, 12:58:36 AM
What Brucer said X 10. Especially about the bark embedded  dirt, sand and debris.

I use a pine based  green friendly (color too) industrial degreaser, bug/tar remover. It is the best one I have found of everything I have tried and it smells good too. I can post a link to the company that sells it here local if any one want to see if they can find it too.
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Post by: MartyParsons on May 25, 2016, 06:13:27 AM
Brucer,
   That is some good info there!!
M
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Post by: Peter Drouin on May 25, 2016, 06:32:43 AM
I have dulled a blade in one cut before :D
All what Brucer said can happen, On the out word side of the log will dull the blade with no debarker there. If you cut late when the sun is all most down and it's getting dark out you see sparks coming out of the cut  so much so you would think you would set the sawdust on fire around the mill.  :D :D
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Post by: Chuck White on May 25, 2016, 07:32:07 AM
I most often use 2 blades/day, and average a little shy of 2,000 bf.

Of course, if you hit a stone, nail, etc, that adds one more blade!  ::)
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Post by: Magicman on May 25, 2016, 08:14:45 AM
Thanks Brucer.  Peter also made a good point about cleaning the exit side of the log.  It is amazing how many small rocks, etc. I find when I walk along that side with my brush in hand.  It is also much easier sometimes to saw an inch off of a log end rather than to try to clean it.
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Post by: GAB on May 25, 2016, 11:09:51 AM
Brucer said: "Remember ... all logs have dirt in the bark (yes, they do, trust me on this)."
This is especially true of hickory logs.  For some reason hickory trees seem to act as nature's air filters.
Peter said: "I have dulled a blade in one cut before"
I totally dulled a fresh blade in 3 passes on a hickory log (I can't remember its length) and to the naked eye it looked clean.
Gerald
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 25, 2016, 01:34:56 PM
Ok this makes sense then.  I'm milling logs pulled, dragged and rolled in the mud, then lifted up onto the mill and milled down.  Sure I have a debarker but only catches so much right -- I saw dirt in the front as I entered the log (knocked as much out of the way that I could.

I used ten bands in 4500bf....this isn't so bad after all.  I'm running about 450bf/band in dirt logs and had a loose drive belt to boot (so got bands hot until I fixed it).

Learning....learning.....  :o 8)
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Post by: Magicman on May 25, 2016, 01:40:34 PM
Your bf per blade was probably better than I did on this job.


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Yes, that is a gravel road.   :o
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Post by: GAB on May 25, 2016, 04:07:22 PM
Sometimes the location of the dirt on the logs determines how I saw it (ie open the log).
I do all I can to save my blades.
Gerald
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Post by: Chuck White on May 25, 2016, 08:39:53 PM
It's also a good idea to check both ends of the logs for dirt and gravel.
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Post by: Magicman on May 25, 2016, 09:29:52 PM
What happens with our SYP and ERC is that the logs may be skidded while the sap is runny and sticky.  It picks up the dirt and grit and then hardens.  :o  Cement would not be much worse on blades.  That is why I favor slicing a thin cookie off of the end(s).
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Post by: Brucer on May 26, 2016, 01:23:11 AM
Chuck had a good point. Dirt on the exit of the log can be just as big a problem.

As for dulling the blade on the exit side of the cut, in theory the last bit of wood should blow out of the cut just ahead of the tooth. In practice, it ain't necessarily so. If there's no big rocks and no sand, and if the blade is sharp, and if the log isn't frozen, the blade won't dull too quickly on the exit.

Even if you don't normally saw in the dark, try doing as Peter suggested once in a while and you'll get a very graphic look at what's happening. When I sawed a frozen log late in the day a few years ago, it looked like I has holding a mini-grinder to a piece of steel.

I once tried the stellite blades from WM and I easily got 2000 BF before the blades needed sharpening. However ... one blade broke after 2 sharpenings (2000 BF causes deeper cracks in the gullet and my sharpening guy didn't go deep enough to take them all out). I used another blade to see how they would stand up to cutting side stops and I found I only got about 20% deeper into the metal then I did with doublehards.
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on May 26, 2016, 10:30:03 AM
LOL Brucer
I tested stellites too. The side stop has a souvenir scar as a result and yes it is a bit deeper.

I found the stellite band to be a bit "softer" metal and did not get 1 of the 5 sharpened out to unsharpenable before it broke. On 5 bands 3 cycles was the average. Got 5 cycles out of 1.

They will  cut more BF per cycle BUT that may be the problem with them as the gullet cracks will be deeper so would have to grind more agressive. at the end of the day I dont think they will cut more BF over their usefull cutting/sharpening life.

I haven't tried the bi metals yet but I do plan too.       
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 26, 2016, 10:37:18 AM
So far I've tried Double Hards (my main band for 6 years now), BiMetals -- maybe my new main band since I like them a lot and can get more out of them as they run longer, and Turbo7's which seem to cut very smooth but last only about 2 hours of milling (~450bf) though my drive belt was loose (10lbs) so perhaps I'd get more out of them once I run them with a properly adjusted drive.

All in all my favorites right now are the BiMetals which I have 10 of.
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Post by: woodyone.john on May 28, 2016, 09:22:50 PM
OJH, have you tried the .55's yet.I spent an afternoon earlier in the week cutting knotty cupressus into 700 mm[28''] slabs.One blade did about 3 1/2 hrs sawing and all slabs were flat and true.
chhers john
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Post by: grouch on May 29, 2016, 11:39:49 PM
Excellent concentration of information in this thread!

That bit at the start was especially awesome, OlJarhead. You were giving out specifics on stuff you were worried about and attracted a whole gallery of experts. By the third day, it was obvious you had it ironed out and under control. Thanks for sharing the ride.

You didn't even have to have a pig roast to get all these teachers on board. Way to go!
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 31, 2016, 12:30:14 AM
ha!  Thanks :)  Trick is to ask and ask and ask :)  and of course, to LISTEN!

Milled up a nice birch yard tree (old one at that!) for some 12 year old scotch :)
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This was for one of the guys that works for me in my day job.  Loved the look of this birch!  Can't wait to see what he does with it as he used to be a custom furniture maker.
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Did some milling for myself too but very little ;)  Mostly did cleanup at the cabin, burned slash and enjoyed the time with my wife :)
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on May 31, 2016, 07:03:33 AM
Eric,

   I see a nice new tag on your mill. First one I remember actually seeing in use. I guess that means you are temporarily at peace with the DOT.
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on May 31, 2016, 09:18:14 AM
Hey Erik
The birch we have out here on the left side of this continent is a very under rated wood.

I have got a bit of a niche going with it. I supply 2 custom furniture builders with it and have done some furniture my self. I love the stuff.
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Post by: Czech_Made on May 31, 2016, 10:14:27 AM
Birch was used for many things in the old days in my country - from clogs and spoons to wagon wheels.  Probably because it was/it is so common.
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 31, 2016, 10:36:11 AM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on May 31, 2016, 07:03:33 AM
Eric,

   I see a nice new tag on your mill. First one I remember actually seeing in use. I guess that means you are temporarily at peace with the DOT.

Yes sir :)  All sorted now :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 31, 2016, 02:15:43 PM
Had a customer looking to build a house call me.  He has 23 acres of wooded property and is looking to thin the trees and use the logs for lumber.  So far I've not milled for a grader yet though I always try to mill for the best wood I can out of a log (center knots, crown vs face bends etc) and have reached out to a grader who does 'transient' grading as part of his regular routine.  Sounds a little spendy at $75/hr but I'm guessing he can grade a lot for that.  I think they charge $550min on a job too so it would need to be worth it I think.

I'm wondering if any of you grade your own (certified) or if you work with graders?

Also two customers look to need fallers/loggers to do the thinning/falling and decking of their logs so I'm trying to find some local fallers to work with.

I can see this operation growing if this keeps up!
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 31, 2016, 05:00:04 PM
Just heard from my first big customer with the LT40 whom I milled about 6000bf of burned logs for.  They were going to build a barn and some outbuildings with all the lumber and sent me this today:

QuoteCome by and take a look sometime! It is a very sturdy and strong barn! We are just getting the metal siding put up now.

Love to hear a customer is happy :)  I'll try to get some pics to share when I get a chance.
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Post by: tnaz on May 31, 2016, 05:09:57 PM
Yes Sir, like to see some pictures of the build.

You've come far, keep it coming. 8)

tnaz
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 31, 2016, 05:30:26 PM
Quote from: woodyone.john on May 28, 2016, 09:22:50 PM
OJH, have you tried the .55's yet.I spent an afternoon earlier in the week cutting knotty cupressus into 700 mm[28''] slabs.One blade did about 3 1/2 hrs sawing and all slabs were flat and true.
chhers john
Not yet but I found the Bi-Metals cutting very smooth on the birch I milled up and some of those were 18"+ wide :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 31, 2016, 08:14:54 PM
Had a very good and encouraging conversation with the grader at the Pacific Lumber Inspection Bureau (PLIB) today who grades what they call 'transient sawmill operations' (portable mills).  As we discussed milling and what he looks for I was kinda surprised!  He was telling me he often grades stuff that still has bark on it or 'wane' left when the bark is gone, knots that run through the small side of lumber, green to even black molded lumber, stuff that is stacked in a garage that has to be pulled out etc etc....as we spoke about what he can expect from my jobs he said "man, you really have this down!" and I laughed and said "not really but I'm an active member of the Forestry Forum and they really teach you a lot there!  It's lumber sawmilling 101."

I guess the idea of having stacked and stickered lumber ready to grade with a space to restack as he grades and lumber that has little to no wane in it with knots placed in the face and not on the edge or through the small ends makes him happy :)

I'm looking forward to the job and the end result if the customer decides to do it.  I just need to find some fallers now who can also deck the logs for the customer.
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Post by: Peter Drouin on June 01, 2016, 08:24:22 PM
 smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 01, 2016, 08:29:39 PM
Got work from my customer that they are logging in two weeks and hope to have a log deck ready a week later.  No idea how big the job is yet but they've agreed to my terms etc and are getting on the schedule :)  This will be for graded lumber so it will be an important job for me!  I am hoping that it goes well and the grader is happy because that would be a big boost I think.

I should bone up on grading in the meanwhile in case there are things I'm missing or am not doing but should do but for the most part I've always had good compliments on my product though I see those as what they are and not even close to the compliment one would get if their lumber grades out nicely.

What I am wondering though is if Ponderosa can be graded to No.2 for construction or not?  I know SYP is used a lot but what about Ponderosa? (bull pine I think some call it).
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Post by: Upper on June 01, 2016, 09:01:12 PM
Ponderosa is not BULL pine.Bull pine is lower elevation firewood.There is a chart for Ponderosa,a little beefier than the D fir.
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 01, 2016, 10:26:00 PM
    In this part of the country Bull pine is White pine. Some pretty wood but I doubt anywhere near as nice as the slash and other SYP many of you are sawing.
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 02, 2016, 12:13:19 AM
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Just received these from my customer in April.  Her 'barn' is taking shape :)  Interesting shape for a barn but I believe it is for sheep so perhaps it doesn't need to be like the traditional barns we see.

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Inside of the open area.

All that wood came off my mill :D
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 02, 2016, 12:16:22 AM
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Another customer sent me these today from last months barn lumber I milled

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Love it when they take pics and send them my way!
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Post by: plowboyswr on June 02, 2016, 12:49:15 AM
 smiley_clapping 8) :P
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Post by: Ljohnsaw on June 02, 2016, 01:12:29 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on May 31, 2016, 08:14:54 PM
Had a very good and encouraging conversation with the grader at the Pacific Lumber Inspection Bureau (PLIB) today who grades what they call 'transient sawmill operations' (portable mills).

So, where is he coming from?  I talked with a person who said the nearest grader to me was southern Oregon and I'd be looking at a pretty hefty bill for travel and lodging since travel would take up quite a bit of time.  There doesn't seem to be anyone in California.  Looks like all the mills have a certified person on the payroll - hmmm.  It would be so awesome if someone from the FF on the west coast was a grader.  At least I'd feel like the money was going to good use ;)
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Post by: Magicman on June 02, 2016, 07:02:09 AM
I surround my hitch with the fenders.  Makes a nice place for storing my ATF, etc while I am sawing, plus it shields that knee knocker,
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 02, 2016, 08:53:44 AM
Quote from: ljohnsaw on June 02, 2016, 01:12:29 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on May 31, 2016, 08:14:54 PM
Had a very good and encouraging conversation with the grader at the Pacific Lumber Inspection Bureau (PLIB) today who grades what they call 'transient sawmill operations' (portable mills).

So, where is he coming from?  I talked with a person who said the nearest grader to me was southern Oregon and I'd be looking at a pretty hefty bill for travel and lodging since travel would take up quite a bit of time.  There doesn't seem to be anyone in California.  Looks like all the mills have a certified person on the payroll - hmmm.  It would be so awesome if someone from the FF on the west coast was a grader.  At least I'd feel like the money was going to good use ;)

Do a search for Pacific Lumber Inspection Bureau (PLIB) and give them a call maybe.  This guy is out of Longview WA and services all of eastern WA.  Yes travel is involved but he charges from where his regular route takes him.  Since that puts him along I90 and into Spokane he can get within 2-3 hrs of my job site so travel will be from there, however they charge a max of $550 a day so if it's a one day job you won't get dinged for more than that.

Agreed on an FF grader out here!
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 02, 2016, 08:54:33 AM
Quote from: Magicman on June 02, 2016, 07:02:09 AM
I surround my hitch with the fenders.  Makes a nice place for storing my ATF, etc while I am sawing, plus it shields that knee knocker,

Great idea and great point!  Thanks
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on June 02, 2016, 09:27:14 AM
The way I set up my out feed table the hitch is not just a knee cracker it is in the way so mine comes off. It shortens my set up by 2 feet at the least which saves steps and every step saved saves time in the milling process and = more BF per day.
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Post by: Magicman on June 02, 2016, 08:17:15 PM
 

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My normal "fender corral".   :)
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Post by: Upper on June 02, 2016, 10:03:21 PM
MM one upped you Bandit,he looks to have eliminated steps
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on June 02, 2016, 10:39:16 PM
Quote from: Upper on June 02, 2016, 10:03:21 PM
MM one upped you Bandit,he looks to have eliminated steps

LOL upper I have one of them too, BUT you need really GOOD help to be able to keep your butt parked in the seat. When I am alone I find walking the woodmizer walk is more productive. BUT trust me I do love my seat when I have good help. I need to find a new seat too. Mine is a getting pretty worn and  weathered.
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Post by: Upper on June 02, 2016, 11:09:27 PM
I understand Bandit,my next sawmill mod is help...............
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on June 02, 2016, 11:27:02 PM
I even have a 22 inch extension so I can still cut 20 foot logs with the seat on too.



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On the good help topic;

I showed up on a good sized job on day last year for a lady that was building 4 cabins for her B&B expansion. As I was setting up these very buff and cute girls (early 20s) showed up in "too short" cutoffs and too "tiny halters" that left nothing to the imagination. They would have been more modest buck nakid! Heres the kicker! they had hard hats, good leather gloves, proper WCB certified boots. AND the halters were high vis Yellow.

I took one look at them and said "Girls, With all due respect and not to be rude BUT dressed like that you gona have saw dust in places that will make you very uncomfortable very soon! I recommend that you go get some cover alls but it is up to you. They chatted for a few seconds and said to me it cant be that bad can it? And I said well I end up with saw dust in my shirt and shorts every day. They said we will try it. Its too hot to wear coveralls and we need to work on our tans and proceeded to "grease" each other good.

I gave them the safety speal/tour of the mill/ site and instructions as to their responsibility.

First log was not too big and they caught on to the work real quick and they were good workers.
2nd log was a beast.  The second face opening slab was a nasty one and that had them asking for a short break to get some coveralls. And Ellie said  "and I need to change my panties too". I chuckled and said go for it and bring me a cold bottle of water when you come back.

About 10 minutes later they come back and Ellie has something in her right hand and a bottle of water in the other. She holds her right out to me, I open my hand and she dumps about a thimble full of saw dust in my hand and said thank you for the saw dust but no thanks! I really don't like it in my panties!

I threw it at her.

We got back to work and we had a lot of fun for the next week of sawing. Those 2 girls were very good workers. Turned out they were the owners daughters. Ellie is a very good bobcat operator and Denise can handle a chain saw with the best of them. Not bad with an axe either.

Every time I see Ellie she jokingly says she still feels the saw dust.         

Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on June 03, 2016, 12:06:09 AM
Saw that mod in the mod thread, pretty cool -- but why only enough to do 20 footers?  Or is it 20+ footers?
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on June 03, 2016, 12:19:52 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on June 03, 2016, 12:06:09 AM
Saw that mod in the mod thread, pretty cool -- but why only enough to do 20 footers?  Or is it 20+ footers?

I basicly did the extension so I didn't have to mess with the copper strip and still be able to cut the same length as I could with out the seat.

Its pretty handy when I am in long timber with good help.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on June 03, 2016, 07:20:03 PM
A potential new customer called with 100 Doug Fir logs 10-15" dia that he wants milled up.  He was quoted 40c-50c per bf to mill but the other mill will bring a forklift to deck and move logs etc as well as offbearers.

Not sure I can compete with that though my hourly rate produces at 35c/bf or lower (depends on many factors I've learned but my latest 'big' job worked out to 35c even.  I'll admit, I'm interested and would love to see if I can get all 100 logs milled up in a week or less.  So far my best day was 15 logs but that's with lengths from 8 to 17 feet and widths from 10 to 24+ inches...if his are all in the 10-12 range like he says or even 12-15" then I can't see why I couldn't put out closer to 20 per day provided I've got good off-bearers.

I'll know this weekend as I've told him I'd come by on Sunday for a site visit (free though it's 150 miles from me) and I'm prepared to lower my hourly rate to my 'local' rate but figure I'd leave that out for negotiation if he wants to talk price a little more ;)  He'll put me up in a 'guest cabin' so no problem there.

Interesting times ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on June 03, 2016, 07:48:17 PM
Another option I'm considering is 35c/bf or my hourly rate, whichever is less.

I could just offer to mill at my hourly rate however without knowing how good the off-bearers will be it's hard to tell if I'm going to be able to mill at a decent clip all day (maybe Peter mills at 250+bf/hr alone?).  Normally when I am alone I struggle to mill at 200+/hr though I've seen some of your setups which might make that easier to do than I think.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 03, 2016, 10:12:35 PM
   Bid what you are comfortable you can make your required profit margin and still provide the quality product you are satisfied with. Don't worry about if someone else underbids you and gets the work. Just tell the guy you can't provide acceptable service for less than $___ and don't sweat it. Good luck.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Brucer on June 04, 2016, 01:19:42 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on June 03, 2016, 07:48:17 PM
Another option I'm considering is 35c/bf or my hourly rate, whichever is less.

I use the same principle (higher BF rate, though). That way the customer knows the most he/she is going to pay, but also has an incentive to make things happen faster.

Most of the time the hourly rate gives them a bill that is 1/3 lower than the BF rate would be, and that's when I'm working without a helper.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on June 04, 2016, 01:23:20 AM
Erik you are on the right track for price thinking BUT dont try to compete with other operators. I think you are doing very good work with very quality lumber.

Let him know that if he has real good help that will make a big difference on the invoice when the job is done.

I have only once got a job by being stupid enough to under bid a job from another operator AND a customer ( I learned by experience) no one wants to saw for.

NEVER again.

This customer has called me a few times since and the last time he called I told him he didn't have enough money to pay the rate I needed to charge to saw for him. Haven't heard  from him since.

At .35 cents a BF my rate works out to $105 IF the logs are good 16" average diameter at a 12 foot average length. Thats 300BF and hour with good help.

I don't budge for any one. IF every thing goes along real well I will give a 5 to 10% discount on final invoice. Customers like those kind of surprises.

Bid based on what you KNOW works for your operation!
 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: woodyone.john on June 04, 2016, 01:43:48 AM
Another FF mantra,I never lost money on a job I didnt get.   Price on what works for you.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: crowhill on June 05, 2016, 07:43:47 AM
Tho running TK B-20, this has been a most informative thread. Thanks professors!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on June 05, 2016, 01:40:14 PM
Hmmmm........no negotiating, just getting down to details ;)  Seems my hourly rate is just right after all and those 100 logs turned into 155 logs....going to need a week off the day job to get these buggers done and am going to have to really hump to make it happen!  I'll have 8 or 9 days to make it happen which will be the most logs per day on average I'll have done if I can do it.

Some of the logs are pretty small at 7" at the small end for 16 footers and 80 total are 10" or less....then 75 are 10-18" so who knows?  I'll go do a site visit and do some scaling but I think I can knock it out in a week of 8-10hr days.

Luckily I'll be staying onsite so it isn't like I'll have much to do other than mill ;)  I can even do some of the work alone if it looks like I need to get more done in a shorter timeframe.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on June 05, 2016, 07:48:28 PM
In time you and the mill will be one.  smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Cazzhrdwd on June 05, 2016, 07:52:32 PM
Love the seats. I've never used mine, but I think I'm going to start. :)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on June 05, 2016, 09:25:57 PM
Quote from: Peter Drouin on June 05, 2016, 07:48:28 PM
In time you and the mill will be one.  smiley_thumbsup

I hope so!  With all the darn milling I'm doing it's bound to happen.  I've taken off work next week so I can get this new job done and then start another big one a week after that!  8)

My boss might start getting po'd pretty soon though so I'll have to dial it back to weekends after the last job in June ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on June 06, 2016, 05:54:13 AM
A lot of times, jobs coming in, will be in runs. One after the other, then none for a week or 3.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on June 06, 2016, 08:52:29 AM
That I believe!  Fortunately with this mill I don't have to turn them away ;)  Though any bigger than 100 logs or so and I might have to break them up because I have only so much vacation that I can take from my day job ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on June 06, 2016, 09:08:48 AM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/DSCN2218.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1465218368)
The next job.  I was told about 100 logs of Doug Fir mostly in the 10-12" range at the small end.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/DSCN2215.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1465218370)
Turns out 155 logs, 16 feet long, from 7 to 18" at the small end with 75 over 10 and 80 under ten.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/DSCN2216.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1465218372)
Looks like a nice place to mill.  Now I just have to decide if I can really knock out 155 logs in 7 or 8 days.  I think I can with good off-bearing help but this will be the biggest job to day.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: plowboyswr on June 06, 2016, 06:26:54 PM
 :P popcorn_smiley
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on June 06, 2016, 11:58:48 PM
OK, as of now I'm not doing this one.  Customer sent me a note that his guy says he can do the work alone for 50c/bf (this is all Doug Fir) and complete the work for $3k-$4k.  I responded with a nice email detailing my costs and estimate based on an average of 10" SE DIA, 16 footers and 155 of them (10,075bf) and approximately 40hrs to complete (250bf/hr ave is what I suggest but I know it is very likely I'd do more like 300bf with good off-bearers) and two helpers at $10/hr each....I come in around 43c/bf :D

Then I told him the local guy could have the job and that I'd be happy to provide any further information he'd like but I'll pass.

Frankly, for 155 logs regardless of size I won't barter on the price as I know I'm cheaper and I know I can earn a decent profit on the work so if he wants to pay a little more :D  I'll let him and enjoy a week at home! ha!  8)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on June 07, 2016, 05:58:59 AM
Sometimes all you can do for a customer is to say. OK,  :D :D :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on June 07, 2016, 10:03:21 AM
I wonder what the odds are you'll be in the there to tidy up a "nice mess"?

I have had that happen a couple of times. Its a big part of the reason I will NOT quote a BF price. I have people come back at me with "ok so that would be about XX per board foot"?

My answer is; "well that depends on the log quality, how well you organize the staging area, how well you have done with the log prep/sorting and how good your FEL and your help is, etc.

The response to That is often a "Hmm! Can you come look at my logs and give me some advice on how to do all that"? I always oblige and I am often not the first one on the site either. As a rule when I leave I have the job IF I want it AND IF I have a cash deposit in my pocket.

I don't mind cleaning up some one elses mess. The pay is quite a bit better!

Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on June 07, 2016, 11:52:10 AM
Bandit those are my thoughts exactly!

Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on June 07, 2016, 01:57:56 PM
Customer came back and said "he quoted me based on my cut list only" and I sent a nice reply stating that I quoted him based on all 155 logs not just the cut list but that I'd pass on the work and wished him the best.

Maybe the customer didn't communicate well, or maybe I didn't but I don't want to go out assuming he only wants the cut list only to find out he expects me to mill all 10,000bf of logs for the same price!  No thanks!

I've got plenty to do but this has been an interesting exercise.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on June 07, 2016, 02:19:40 PM
Got another response thanking me for the information I provided and he told me he plans to sell the rest of the logs as firewood.  What started as 100 logs, climbed to 155 logs turns out to be more like 30 logs >:( :o ???

Yup, I continue to pass but I did advise that his quote from the other guy shouldn't be over $3k since the max is only 6000bf and that's if he can mill everything on the large sizes the guy wanted (3" vs 2" for some and 8" vs 10" for some)...low end should be $2400 for 4800 bf not $3k

Good lesson in customers communicating something other than what they want ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Brucer on June 07, 2016, 04:20:33 PM
You've got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em,
Know when to walk away, know when to run ....

;D ;D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on June 07, 2016, 06:30:34 PM
After a while you are able to read customers as well as you can cut lumber.
:D :D ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on June 07, 2016, 08:40:54 PM
LOL Brucer BUT it so true and Peter you nailed it.

I'll never understand cutting up good logs for firewood any more than I can understand how to cut 2" X 8" out of 5 inch fire wood logs.

I actually had on guy ask me why I couldn't cut them on a diagonal line so I would get wider planks. I gave him a tape and said you show me how to cut that (next on the roll way) log diagonal to get a 2 X 8. I was cutting 2 sides leaving a 4" dunnage skid to stack lumber on and he though I was wasting logs. It was even dicy getting dunnage out of about half of the little stuff. He was not happy when I would pitch one off the roll way and then tell him that that ones wasnt even good fire wood.

He spent about 10 minutes going from one end to the other with the tape and then said well you can get a 2 X 6 if you start from the other end. I looked at him and said ok I'll do that. I was biting tounge so hard I am sure it was bleeding.

I turned the log and leveled and was about to cut when he said no no you have to have the log level to the blade. I was almost choking at this point but I leveled it as per his measuring, took off the first slab and said ok now what?

He said flip it over and level it again. So I took my "teachers" advice levelled again and cut as instructed.

when that cut was done he had a bit of interesting look on his face but said to repeat for 3rd cut so I did. I had to go behind a tree and pee before I did or I would a wet my pants. I did the same procedure 2 more times and then he takes the tape and shows me that there is a 2X6 I can cut out of the end facing me. BUT I still have to level a cant with 4 square sides.

My son showed up about then and looks at the mill and says what the hell is that. The guy says I am showing your dad how to cut a 2X6 out of a small log. Steve just about busted a gut with his laugh cause he knows the guy from doing computer work for him.

Steve took the tape and went to the small end and showed him the 4" ish measurement and said to the guy this is a sawmill not a lumber expander but that would make a nice flag pole. The guy stood there for a about a minute and then says how did that happen? I did every thing right! 

I trimmed it to a 4X4 and then he is looking at the wedges and is so totally bewildered I finally had to let the laughter go cause I couldn't hold it any more.

I tried to explain log taper but he just didn't get it. he asked me well when you cut off the bark you have a square log that is the same on both ends.

I gave up. He is a psychology professor.

     
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on June 07, 2016, 11:54:08 PM
Oh lord I couldn't have done that!  I would have said "sure, let's do it, just remember you pay me $85/hr so this might be the most expensive attempt to make a 2x6 out of a 5 inch log but hey, it's your 85 bucks :)" and waited for him to decide....
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on June 08, 2016, 09:36:57 AM
Yea Erik
That is a good approach too but I am not sure this guy would even get that.

2 Weeks after I was done his job I ran into him in church and he was still trying to figure it out.

I said "John! you need a minimum 10" ROUND tree small end to get a STRAIGHT 8" plank. He says but and 8 inch tree should give you an 8 inch plank.

you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink.   
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: grouch on June 08, 2016, 12:09:00 PM
Quote from: Bandmill Bandit on June 08, 2016, 09:36:57 AM
Yea Erik
That is a good approach too but I am not sure this guy would even get that.

2 Weeks after I was done his job I ran into him in church and he was still trying to figure it out.

I said "John! you need a minimum 10" ROUND tree small end to get a STRAIGHT 8" plank. He says but and 8 inch tree should give you an 8 inch plank.

you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink.

You can get a theoretical 8 inch plank from a theoretical 8 inch tree; the tree just has to be a perfect cylinder and the plank has to be a 2-dimensional plane. Now if he wants a plank that actually exists in this world, with thickness, he's gonna have to cut somewhere besides exactly along the diameter, even if he's cutting a perfectly cylindrical log.

Maybe this will keep him busy so you can saw:
Smallest Enclosing Circle Problem (http://www.personal.kent.edu/~rmuhamma/Compgeometry/MyCG/CG-Applets/Center/centercli.htm)

This might actually help him to see the problem, and let him do some calculating to see the solution:
Finding the Largest Inscribed Rectangle (http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/mth251/cq/Stage8/Lesson/rectangle.html)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: GAB on June 08, 2016, 04:57:05 PM
Mr. Bandit: I agree with your statement - "you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink".
However in this case I think the better way to express it might be; I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
I'm also getting the impression that common sense is rapidly becoming a rareity.
GAB
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Kbeitz on June 08, 2016, 05:13:27 PM
It's called condensed wood... You need to run it through a rolling press before you cut it...
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on June 08, 2016, 06:11:55 PM
Quote from: Kbeitz on June 08, 2016, 05:13:27 PM
It's called condensed wood... You need to run it through a rolling press before you cut it...

or.......just add water?  :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: derhntr on June 08, 2016, 10:31:47 PM
Draw a 8 inch circle and a 8 inch square cut them out and set the square on top of the circle. Some folks just need a visual.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on June 08, 2016, 10:37:28 PM
The old "half again bigger" formula works pretty well and is easy to remember.  For an 8X8 you need a straight 12" top end log.   ;D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on June 09, 2016, 09:16:30 AM
I've been communicating with the local inspector for my next 'big' job.  I'll be milling the lumber for a 2500 square foot two story home and having it graded.  The customer wants the lumber 'full cut' rather than nominal and the inspector has been very responsive.  In his latest response he indicated that the grader could just stamp No2 and better (no need to stamp anything less unless the customer wants to use some of it for structural and the inspector approves it which he may well depending on the application):

QuoteAll studs could be #2, but beams, rafters and joists may need to be a higher grade. When the plans are received, I check them against the code. If a #2 joist will make the span, I simply OK that portion of the plans. If for instance, the plans show #2 2x10 joists, and they are over-spanned, I will mark them. I usually also check a substitute. If there were only 8-10 joists that were over-spanned, I might suggest that they use #2 for most of the joists, but use select structural for the over-spanned ones. If all of the joists were over-spanned, I would suggest either a higher grade of 2x10 throughout, or just bump up to #2 2x12. I am attaching a span table that may be helpful. It gives spans for #1 and #2 in both DF/Larch, and S-P-F. I personally would not use anything lower than a #2 in a house for rafters or joists, but it will be up to the owner.

I found this interesting:  "I personally would not use anything lower than a #2 in a house for rafters or joists, but it will be up to the owner."

Next this portion also was good to share with the customer:

Quote(Lower grades can be used for backing like in interior corners and interior wall intersections, and for curtain rods, stair handrails cabinets, blocking between truss tails etc. I don't care what is used for non-structural purposes, and don't care if it is even stamped.)

Finally he also sent over a span comparison for No2 Doug Fir in nominal vs full cut:  Nominal 2x10 (1.5 x 9.25) may span 12.91 feet vs full cut 2x10 can span 15.34 feet.  I'd always heard that full cut lumber was 25% stronger and this demonstrates and increase, if I did my math correctly, of 19% more span in the full cut joist than in a nominal one.

Gotta love that :)



Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on June 09, 2016, 10:26:14 AM
Ok guys you got me rolling on the floor laughing again & then again. :D :D I did the 8"  circle and square drawing and I also did what MM suggests and did a 12" circle too. They are in my in my parts box now.

And GAB your suggestion is really good I will use that one I am sure.

Also this guy does NOT know how to check his own oil and never goes to a self serve gas pump. His oldest daughter is a good friend of my oldest daughter and she gets me to change her oil and such on her car. She hung around our place a fair bit in high  school and she learned a lot of stuff from my girls and I would teach her any thing she asked about. She's a pretty handy gal and doesn't mind getting dirty when she need to. She is quite a site in coveralls.   

When I did her oil change in March, her dad was with her and he stood in my shop and looked around the shop. Its a pretty well equipped shop for a small shop but nothing like some of you guys that have a lot more room.

When I pushed out from under the car from dropping the oil and filter he says to me, "you know how to use all these tools"? I said "well there wouldn't be much point to owning them if I didn't know how to use them now would there?"

There was no response.   

I will be laughing the rest of the  day I am sure  :D :D :D

Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: GAB on June 09, 2016, 10:48:07 AM
Quote from: Bandmill Bandit on June 09, 2016, 10:26:14 AM
Ok guys you got me rolling on the floor laughing again & then again. :D :D I did the 8"  circle and square drawing and I also did what MM suggests and did a 12" circle too. They are in my in my parts box now.

And GAB your suggestion is really good I will use that one I am sure.

I will be laughing the rest of the  day I am sure  :D :D :D

Talking about rolling and laughing that is what you did for me when you wrote about your novice off bearers, and again when you wrote; AND I QUOTE "I gave up. He is a psychology professor."  I sure am glad I don't drink coffee as I would still be cleaning up.
GAB
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: ST Ranch on June 09, 2016, 11:26:53 AM
I really like MM's rule of add 50% to desired nominal width to get required log size.  Many thanks for sharing this!
My rule has been multiply 0.7 times top diameter to get available cant size I can cut from the log, however, this new rule of MM's is a lot easier to calculate, and now will become part of my "hands free" tool box.

Interesting to observe how much of many folks [sawmiller's] time is spent teaching clients about lumber recovery and milling in order to sell our services.

Tom
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Jim_Rogers on June 09, 2016, 11:57:18 AM
Ask him if he can read a tape measure?
If he can.
Than hand him a tape measure and a framing square.
Tell him to measure from 2" on one scale/leg to 8" on the other and see what he gets. this will tell you what diameter log you need.

IF he can't then show him how it's done.

Jim Rogers
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on June 09, 2016, 03:05:35 PM
If I gave him a square and a tape at the same time he would probably ask what the square was for.  BUT I will give him the 8"circle and square along with the 12" circle the next time I am out at his place. He called this morning to say that the wind knocked down about 35 or so trees on his property a few evening ago and he has the neighbor bucking and decking the logs.

He put the neighbor on the phone with me and the neighbor told me there are about 30 good sized white spruce saw log trees down that he is bucking at 10" small end averaging 70' stump to top. I guess I am gona be sawing timber framing material for a 16 X 20" cabin for him.     
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on June 10, 2016, 10:49:09 PM
I think there just might be a bit more rolling on the floor laughing after this post.

I set up late AM at John's Place today and he had rented (rent paid in lumber I saw) his neighbors bobcat for me to use for the job on site The logs are pulled onto the landing and he has a couple of young guys bucking and limbing.

Before I started to set the mill up I handed him the 8" square and circle and the 12 inch circle. He asked me "what are these for"? I said to help splain Logs to lumber to you.

He looked at them again and said these are geometric diagrams. I said go find a log that is close to the size of the circles and there were a few 12 footers about 50 feet from the mill.

He went over and palyed with the diagrams on several logs and then came and got my tape and played some more. You could see the wheels turning and some puzzlement as well. I was about ready to saw when he came back over to the mill and said " so logs are tapered and I didn't find a single one that is round either! I now understand the taper but how can you compensate for that once you have the log on a mill?"

The guy on the bobcat was just moving a couple of 16"ish logs so I waved him to bring them to the mill. I loaded the bigger of the 2 which was a bit oval shaped and then proceeded to explain the pith and how you level to that on a straight log and how you cut the edges off the oval so as to maximize the board width and BF that the log can give you. I also showed the kerf advantage picture from Woodmizer.

He was very attentive and was not afraid to ask what many would consider dumb questions.   

I cut the first slab flipped the log and cut second slab. I had them back on the out feed table and took one slab and flipped it end for end and laid one on top the other and then showed him the measurement of the combined slabs. They where with in a half inch stacked that way and that is when the light came on.

He says to me "now if you could glue those pieces together you'd have a 2X4 right"? I said well maybe even a 2X6 if you don't mind a bit of wane.

I continued the sawing process through that log But first I did the drawing on the end of the log facing me to show him what I would likely get out of the log cutting for 2X6 framing lumber. He asked about how many BF I said oh 220 to to 230 minimum and if we add the one inch side lumber you want for wind slabs for around your garden probably another 40 BF.

He watched every cut and asked about the different way the grain looked as I cut through the log. I told him I would explain that after I shut the mill off. I stacked by grade much as could.

When the log was done I spent a half hour answering more question and explaining stuff.

When that was done I asked him where he had been reading because most of his questions came from someone who had done some reading with out the ability to apply it in the field. He had found to the Alberta wood lot owners association web site and had spent a fair bit of time reading.

I encouraged him to join the association be cause he has about 30 acres of nice white spruce forest.

Then he says to me "so do you have a bachelors degree in this field?"

I said well if there was such a thing I guess I would probably qualify.

He said I have learned more in the last year about timber and forestry then I learned about psychology through my entire years in university. You really have to know your stuff to do a good job at what you do. I wont try to tell you how to do your job! To which I replied "and I wont try to be a psychologist cept maybe for the trees!"

He chuckled and said you have sure changed my view of environmentalism and ecological responsibility and how the 2 are pretty much diametrically opposed in todays world.

I said well if we would all accept the responsibility, environmentalism would die a natural death wouldn't it?

He said you know that is probably correct.

     

       

   
     
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: grouch on June 11, 2016, 06:25:46 AM
Bandmill Bandit, ya done GOOD! Man will be much happier now that he understands better. No telling what ripples will come from that, but you can be sure you made at least one of his days better.

8)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on June 11, 2016, 10:10:32 PM
Wood-Mizer gets some credit for this :)  The package they sent when I bought my new mill included a press release so I edited it for my business and sent it in to the local paper and this is the result!
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/001_281024x36429.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1465697323)
I have to admit I was surprised when I saw the pic on the cover let alone how close to the front of the paper the article was!
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/002_28606x102429.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1465697323)

Not a bad article either :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on June 11, 2016, 10:15:29 PM
That is free advertising at it's best.  I have had a couple of those "front page" stories that really gained me some good exposure.   :P
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on June 29, 2016, 10:56:17 AM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/13569872_731930346947946_491266787_o.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1467212056)
While waiting for one customer to get her logs decked and a 2nd to finish felling and decking their logs I had this customer meet me at the Field Day and request I mill this pile up for them.

I've got about 4 or 5 on the go but getting them on the calendar is always a challenge LOL

I figure this one will take a couple days or less but I'll be camping onsite in a tent as there isn't a facility within 40 miles to stay at.  Will be hot but hoping for a good weekend all the same :)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Kbeitz on June 29, 2016, 07:16:56 PM
I would be lookin for a slide in pickup camper...
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on June 30, 2016, 08:19:32 AM
Need to get a bigger truck first.  My plan is to sell the half ton and buy a one ton diesel in the next year or so, then I can stack a camper on top and tow the mill anywhere :)

Of course, the mill has to pay for itself first and then for the truck and camper :)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Chuck White on June 30, 2016, 08:27:31 AM
Won't take very long for the mill to pay for itself, Erik!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on June 30, 2016, 10:17:17 AM
Hey Erik

You sure got a good start to your retirement career. MY mill paid for it self in a bit less than 2 years of part time sawing.

I am working on a 1 ton  with a picker right now. It is 2001 Dodge 3500 that belongs to the tire shop I get my tires done at. Has 132 000KMs on a V10 that has some ECM issues and that they have not been able fix. The owner wants to build a cabin on his west country 1/2 section and I asked him if we could include the truck in the deal. He said we should go look at the logs that are being logged right now for the road in and the building site. Road is about a 3/4 mile and the site is 5 acres. From the pics he has taken It looks to be a pretty good stand of BIG White Spruce on the south 1/4 and Jack Pine towards north and west side of the second 1/4. He says a couple of boggy areas have some good sized tamarack too.

If it works out I May have a truck with picker and a 10 ft flat deck that needs a motor (if I can't fix the one in it) for the price value he is thinking for the picker ($3500).

From the log volume count he has from the clearing operation I think he may have enough lumber to build his 800sq ft cabin, 28' x 32'  barn, and 32' x 48' shop and then some. The logger it is cutting 8', 10', 12', 14', 16', with the processor and is cutting the biggest and straightest pine logs to 20's for beams in the barn and shop. 

Logger is estimating between 200 and 250 Cu Metres of good saw logs and about that much fire wood as well not counting the tamarack.

From those number I am guessing about 18MBF based on the loggers estimates. IF I am way off some please correct me.

So I may end up with a truck and the money to fix it from the same job.
The picker is in very good shape and works well. I hooked it up to a tractor to test it and there are not  even any oil leaks.

So not to derail your thoughts BUT see if you can find a rig like that. The area you live and work in has quite a few of those rigs around as there is a pretty good sized farming community that the tire shops will use trucks like that to service ag tractors in the field.

Keep your eyes open as you cruise around the country.


     
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on June 30, 2016, 10:51:22 AM
Not a bad plan ;) but for me I'm looking for a Diesel and full box for the camper ;)  This next job is a good reason why -- I do most of my milling 50 miles or more away from home and in remote locations so a place to 'camp' with comforts while I'm milling is the plan.

I'm thinking an 06 or 07 F350 duely with 4wd so I can get where I need to go, save fuel (better mileage on the big diesels than the gassers and be able to pull my tractor or mill while hauling the camper....and it wouldn't hurt to have the hauling capacity for lumber when I can start milling for share (mill has to be paid for first as well as truck and camper) should I choose to do so just for the lumber.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on June 30, 2016, 11:00:10 AM
Yea Erik

I would ideally like a deisel too but I like the flat deck cause its big enough for a camper and the rest of my milling gear/tools. IF I can't get the motor running I have access to a cummins out of an 02 that would probably get dropped in there in place of the V10. This truck has a 5 speed and is 4X4.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Kbeitz on June 30, 2016, 11:36:36 AM
You better start lookin for a camper now. In my area a slide in truck camper
in good condition is real hard to find used. New ones are BIG $$$$
The older ones are way to heavy. I got lucky and found a new one
that had roof damage. I just made a new roof.



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Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: mesquite buckeye on June 30, 2016, 12:15:33 PM
Bandmill Bandit- Good job on teaching a guy with tons of book learning and no practical skill. You may have changed his life for the better, not to mention his voting tendencies.

I think a class on real stuff needs to be taught to the academic track students in high school. I think we would all be better off for it. :)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 30, 2016, 12:49:03 PM
   Its a real pleasure watching a good young man who is willing and interested enough to add to his academic knowledge the practical experience the old timers have learned over time. I've seen young engineers and young military officers just starting out who took the time to listen to the old experienced craftsmen or NCOs and they generally succeeded. Likewise I have seen others just like them who came out with an attitude that college or OCS/TBS taught them everything they needed to know and who were determined to show everyone they were in charge. The experienced craftsmen or NCOs, as the case might be, would oblige them and step back and let them fail.

   I used to welcome my new arrivals in USMC and later in my civilian career tell them just because we did something one way did not mean it was the best or only way possible and I encouraged them to ask questions and make recommendations. Sometimes a new set of eyes could see a much simpler way to solve a problem than those of us who had struggled with it so long it was as if we had blinders on. Often a young private or PFC would come aboard who had worked on a farm or summer job or such who had knowledge from there that helped us out.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: GAB on June 30, 2016, 01:53:33 PM
[partial quote author=WV Sawmiller link=topic=89720.msg1403681#msg1403681 date=1467305343]
Often a young private or PFC would come aboard who had worked on a farm or summer job or such who had knowledge from there that helped us out.
[/quote]

Yup them there dumb farm boys - I know cuz I r 1.
Frequently have plan b and even plan c in their back pocket or up a sleeve.
Gerald
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on July 05, 2016, 03:07:32 PM
If it doesn't rain it pours!  I'll be milling a LOT in the coming weeks it seems.  Have a one day job to do this weekend, then a 2 day job after that and finally a week or so of milling after that!  July is looking like a good month for me and I have a few more irons in the fire :D

Can't wait to get back to making sawdust after making very very little in June!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: tnaz on July 05, 2016, 05:17:34 PM
Sounds real good for ya.  Good luck and don't spend it all in one place!!! :D :D :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on July 05, 2016, 07:55:37 PM
Customers!  LOL never believe them ;)

That 'week or so' job is starting to sound more like a few days at best since all the logs he has are pretty much 8" SE DIA 16 footers...even at just 150bf/hr those won't take but 3 days or so.

Still, that doesn't sound so bad and and I won't feel rushed ;)  After all, these are for graded lumber.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on July 05, 2016, 08:58:30 PM
Thats a by the hour job in my world. Hate em but they can be money makers.

Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on July 05, 2016, 10:28:08 PM
Quote from: Bandmill Bandit on July 05, 2016, 08:58:30 PM
Thats a by the hour job in my world. Hate em but they can be money makers.

:) All of mine are by the hour :)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on July 05, 2016, 11:35:24 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on July 05, 2016, 10:28:08 PM
Quote from: Bandmill Bandit on July 05, 2016, 08:58:30 PM
Thats a by the hour job in my world. Hate em but they can be money makers.

:) All of mine are by the hour :)

99.9% of mine are too. Has to be a super good job for me to do BF rate.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on July 11, 2016, 08:42:53 AM
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Next job.  Not nearly as big as I had hoped or expected....seems the 'thinning of 23 acres' turned into thinning of more like 5 acres and none of the timber was very big...but the 'Ponderosa' turned into Larch and Doug Fir (mostly) and very straight with little to no knots :)

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I start this one milling alone but will get an off-bearer on Friday and Saturday.

It's only about 5000 bf though as most tops are only about 8" so it will be a challenge to get more than that out of it.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on July 13, 2016, 10:10:10 PM
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Set up and ready to go (just have to roll the 2nd log off the forks and buck the one on the deck down to 10 or 12 feet to remove the taper)...

I should be milling over 100 logs this week/weekend.  They are small logs though so we'll see how it goes but I estimate the yield to be around 5000bf

Wish me luck! ;)

I'm milling 3/16ths over nominal for the customer.  I was thinking 1/8th over would be fine but this is all Doug Fir and I know it shrinks more in drying than ponderosa does (which barely shrinks at all) so figured a little extra won't hurt ;)

The customer originally wanted full cut but since they don't have the 10k+ bf they need to build their home with I suggest we go to nominal width (plus 1/8th or 3/16ths for drying/shrinkage).
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on July 13, 2016, 10:15:23 PM
Nice job.  On logs like that, I get better production when sawing from the top end rather than the butt. 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on July 13, 2016, 10:18:22 PM
Quote from: Magicman on July 13, 2016, 10:15:23 PM
Nice job.  On logs like that, I get better production when sawing from the top end rather than the butt.

Ditto For me too. I find that you have to have a consistent deck of 12" diameter and up to saw from the butt end 16" is even better.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on July 14, 2016, 11:07:55 PM
Managed to get 950bf out of 14 logs today working alone.  Production was a lot slower than I'm used to but all in all a good day still.

I did have to buck 3 logs to 10' or that would have been higher and I had to lift the nose of the mill up one notch on the front outrigger as it was a tad low and the head was sliding a little too easily towards me.

Too bad I didn't know I'd do better with the butts on the far end! But thanks for the note, in the future I'll swing them around (actually I'll have the customer do that)...just didn't realize the extra effort per log to level the pith.

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Tomorrow I have help and I hope to get at least 50% more production (twice would be nice) but I doubt I'll get through all these logs before COB Sunday!  This is my first job with all of the logs small like this and I must admit I was surprised at how slow my production was overall despite running the mill (latter part of the day -- maybe 60% of the time) around 12 o'clock on the dial.  It handled the load just fine running that fast and the lumber came off nice and smooth.  Seems this small doug fir mills faster than the big Ponderosa I'm used to.

I've milled Doug Fir several times but always big stuff, this is the first time all the logs have been 40 to 70bf each so it's a challenge (I find) to produce much per hour.  I think I ran about 125bf/hr with these which makes sense since I was milling about 2 logs per hour.

Here's hoping tomorrow will go faster ;)

OH and I brain farted today  :o :( ::) :snowball:  I started the day with Simple Set sitting at 1 11/16ths before realizing I'd not accounted for the Kerf!  DOH!  I reset it to 1 3/4" and gee wiz I was an 1/8th over on every cut....*smacks self*

I milled a lot of 2x4's today also but started switching to 2x6's later in the day as I realized production would improve and the customer wants about 2400bf of each so they were needed.  Of course, I'll have to do both anyway but with help everything will go faster so it won't be as much of an issue.

I have to admit that I wonder how those of you who mill alone manage when the log deck averages about 50-70bf per log?
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Brucer on July 15, 2016, 12:07:39 AM
That's easy -- charge more ;D.

Seriously, though, a 12" top x 8' long will typically yield one 8x8 and four 1x6's, or just under 60 BF. It doesn't take long to process a log like that. Of course 10' is better, and 12' better yet.

When I owned the logs and was selling the product I would charge twice as much for the timbers as for the side lumber.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on July 15, 2016, 11:03:52 PM
I wish there were 12" tops! ha!  Most are in the 8 and 9 inch range and I'm lucky to get a 5 5/8" cant out of them ;)  They are 16 feet long though so I can get more than shorter logs
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on July 15, 2016, 11:16:57 PM
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Half way through the day :)  The customer showed up at about 9am (15 mins after I started milling) and said "wow" :)  After some instruction and safety discussion they began to help and despite the learning curve (which as we all know isn't long or steep) things got rolling along nicely :)  I was milling about 3 logs an hour now, maybe more.  Then thunder and hail hit us and they went to town for lunch while I sat and ate in my truck.  Soon it slacked off and I was back at it.  15 minutes later and the customer was back and we were making sawdust again.  Then the customer got stung by some bees or wasps and she and the kids left to get benedryl and thought they might be back tomorrow.....I was at a dozen logs and cranked out 6 more on my own :)  I had a system down and am almost as fast now working alone!

First thing I did was return, somewhat, to my manual milling days and ran the saw to the middle of the log, took a reading and backed up and set it 1.5" low and started milling.  That works so much better than my guessing ;) or trying to look down the log.  Now I was making better cants with less flitches coming off.

Next I redid the math in my head and finally, after what? 6 years?  I finally got the math down (where is the hammer on the head emoticon?) 7 3/8" gives me a cant I can split for two 3 5/8" beams to mill down.  9 3/8" gives me a 4x and a 6x (nominal plus 1/8), 11 3/8 makes two 6x's -- DOH!  too easy.  With that finally stuck (I almost never make nominal....come to think of it I never do!).....I thought:  gee whiz, if I just take two 1 3/4 boards and double that's 3 1/2" and 2 more is 7" minus the need for a final kerf makes 6 7/8....and so on....

I was rolling now and cranked out 50bf+ logs in 15=20 mins no problem :D  Happy Dance!  8)

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Finished the day with 1586 board feet despite only having help for about 4 hours (probably less and the training time took away from milling time).

Thanks to Peter Druin for his suggestion on how to stack the lumber when milling alone!  DOH!  Makes too much sense and as soon as I got it down I was definately moving faster.  Only trouble I have is slabs but even those are not much of an issue though the slab pile is growing.

They originally had about 80-100 saw logs and there were only 54 in the original log deck...then it grew while I was whittling away at it.  I'm down to 73 in the deck now and another 50 or so still to be decked!  I'll have to come back to finish this job and it is now the largest, by far, in logs that I've done (not maybe the largest in BF but the logs are small).

I did 18 logs today and hope to break that again tomorrow :)

We shall see!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Kbeitz on July 16, 2016, 05:33:25 AM
Quote
First thing I did was return, somewhat, to my manual milling days and ran the saw to the middle of the log, took a reading and backed up and set it 1.5" low and started milling.  That works so much better than my guessing ;) or trying to look down the log.  Now I was making better cants with less flitches coming off.


I put a stick on tape  measure on my carriage that  measures from the bottom up.
It faces down the carriage. This way I can walk to the middle of the log to see where
I want my cut with a hand held tape  measure and set the carriage using the stick
on tape  measure. I hope that made sense.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Chuck White on July 16, 2016, 08:28:52 AM
Quote from: Kbeitz on July 16, 2016, 05:33:25 AM
[quote
First thing I did was return, somewhat, to my manual milling days and ran the saw to the middle of the log, took a reading and backed up and set it 1.5" low and started milling.  That works so much better than my guessing ;) or trying to look down the log.  Now I was making better cants with less flitches coming off.


I put a stick on tape  measure on my carriage that  measures from the bottom up.
It faces down the carriage. This way I can walk to the middle of the log to see where
I want my cut with a hand held tape  measure and set the carriage using the stick
on tape  measure. I hope that made sense.
[/quote]

Why not just take a reading off of the sawmill scale?

Just run the mill down to the middle, lower the band, take a reading and go back to the beginning and start cutting, like Erik said!

Better than taking a guess and have to make the opening cut over again!   ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on July 16, 2016, 10:55:17 AM
Since I put the green laser on I have realized just how indispensable it is. I don't like to cut without it.

I don't know this for sure but I would guess in logs like you are cutting now it would give me an extra log per hour.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: WV Sawmiller on July 16, 2016, 11:27:42 AM
Quote from: Bandmill Bandit on July 16, 2016, 10:55:17 AM
Since I put the green laser on I have realized just how indispensable it is. I don't like to cut without it.

I don't know this for sure but I would guess in logs like you are cutting now it would give me an extra log per hour.

BB,

   I'm envious of the green laser. How does it work in strong sunlight? That is one more add-on I'd sure like to have. That and chain turner (with reverse) instead of the current claw.

   I love my mill and think it was a good deal but that does not mean there aren't other features that could make it better. I suspect we could all say that about our mill no matter what kind we have or how long we have had it.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on July 16, 2016, 11:54:10 AM
Erik

I used all WM mounting parts and then used Kohen, a local electronics supplier. I will get you the info for the laser supplier I got mine from.

One thing I did was to add an auto shut off relay be cause I am useing a pretty high power laser. It is all in the mods thread.

Starts here https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,54324.msg784350.html#msg784350.   
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on July 16, 2016, 03:19:40 PM
I will have to check that out!

Rain started coming down hard just after noon so I'm taking lunch ;)

Going good so far today and the sun umbrella is a nice touch on a rainy day.

I am still fight the math for CANT height for se reason.  Seems when I get going I forget ;). Was it 9 3/8 or..... lol it's all good but darnit my brain just ain't what it used to be!  I need to make cards to put inside the simple set cover
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on July 16, 2016, 03:23:10 PM
Actually my math says 8 5/8 gives me 5 1 5/8 boards......1.75 * 5 - .125

I think that's what I am looking for.  That would mean that 4 would be 7"
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on July 16, 2016, 04:00:43 PM
I am not sure why you need to keep track of the cant sizes.

May be I am doing it wrong BUT I use the the ruler as the starting guide cause it knows where the bed is AND has all the allowance built in for the various 1/4 dimension lumber. I just make sure that I start my little red laser on a 1/4 dimension mark that I want the log to deliver and then set the simple set to the dimension I want so that it is in line  with the 1/4 scale ruler and then just saw to the bed.

It as close to accuset as you can get with out accuset.   

I hope ya'll understand what I am trying to explain.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on July 16, 2016, 04:45:39 PM
The kerf is not exactly 1/8" and after several boards, the slight difference will add up.  I practiced with various board thicknesses and have my "starting" heights on a cheat sheet which in attached to the inside of my SetWorks cover.


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I did this very early on and now very seldom have to refer to it.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on July 16, 2016, 06:33:08 PM
Yes MM you are right. I had forgot about that reality BUT I made an adjustment to my tooth offset setting  and found that it gave me an 1/8th kerf most of the time. I use a 31 to 33 thou offset. Try real hard to nail it at 32 thou.   
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: bkaimwood on July 16, 2016, 06:39:04 PM
Quote from: Magicman on July 16, 2016, 04:45:39 PM
The kerf is not exactly 1/8" and after several boards, the slight difference will add up.  I practiced with various board thicknesses and have my "starting" heights on a cheat sheet which in attached to the inside of my SetWorks cover.


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I did this very early on and now very seldom have to refer to it.
THANK YOU!!! I was ready to start a thread on this!!! It drives me nuts!! Kerf is slightly less than 1/8", so it adds up over a stack of boards. I quit trying and just take a shim/adjustment cut on the last board...the extra time thinking cost more than the shim cut...the chart does seem worth while in some aspects...I would just need ALOT of them...
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Kbeitz on July 16, 2016, 06:45:22 PM
Quote from: Chuck White on July 16, 2016, 08:28:52 AM
Quote from: Kbeitz on July 16, 2016, 05:33:25 AM
[quote
First thing I did was return, somewhat, to my manual milling days and ran the saw to the middle of the log, took a reading and backed up and set it 1.5" low and started milling.  That works so much better than my guessing ;) or trying to look down the log.  Now I was making better cants with less flitches coming off.



I put a stick on tape  measure on my carriage that  measures from the bottom up.
It faces down the carriage. This way I can walk to the middle of the log to see where
I want my cut with a hand held tape  measure and set the carriage using the stick
on tape  measure. I hope that made sense.

Why not just take a reading off of the sawmill scale?

Just run the mill down to the middle, lower the band, take a reading and go back to the beginning and start cutting, like Erik said!

Better than taking a guess and have to make the opening cut over again!   ;)
[/quote]

I do... I have 3 sawmill scales on my mill.
One for quartering.
one for inches.
And one that measures from the bottom up...
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on July 16, 2016, 07:51:07 PM
Glad the lumber placement worked  out for you.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on July 16, 2016, 11:06:34 PM
Quote from: Peter Drouin on July 16, 2016, 07:51:07 PM
Glad the lumber placement worked  out for you.

Did it ever!  I broke 200bf/hr working ALONE today! :D

Though admittedly I found I could run through these smaller logs with the dial straight up at 12 o'clock and I'm keeping the band tight....incidentally, I found that running faster like that seemed to keep the blade from heating up ???  I think it's because it isn't spending as much time in the wood before moving on as it cuts through it so maybe it builds up less heat?  Don't know but I only used two Double Hards per day for 3 days so far and am changing them now just out of course when I break for lunch and when I leave for the day....I can't say they are really that dull but I did detect a slight hint of a pitch change in them and noticed they were gumming up more than usual.

Anyway, THANKS  Once I started doing this (stacking lumber to the left of the mill by pivoting it off the mill deck and sliding it down the pile) my production went up.

Heck, with this production rate I don't mind milling alone at all actually.  Though when I have help I am quite a bit faster.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on July 16, 2016, 11:17:15 PM
Finished the day with 1619bf :)  Customer came by to give me a check and chat for a few or I would have done more ;)

All in all a good, but WET day!

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Sawmill with full winter options.  What?  It's July and supposed to be summer?  Someone might want to advise mother nature of that as it was in the 60's and raining all day....and has been like that for days, weeks even....I'm not sure what twilight zone I stepped into but frankly I'm lovin' it! :D

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One challenge I face with this little 8" tops and sweepers is to get the wane off.  Sometimes I look at the lumber and decide to leave it knowing at least 10 feet or so is clear and I hate to whittle it down to say a 2x4 when it's otherwise a perfectly good 2x6.  The customer seems happy with that and realizes the small logs pose some challenges (for me anyway) so I'm ok with it but I generally try to have no wane if possible.

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Customer stacks on the right, I stack to the left...my pile is a LOT bigger ;)  But that's ok, they are paying me by the hour :)

As for the scale issue, I for whatever reason have had trouble with it but the main issue is that I know if I set the cant to leave me no trim cuts than I'm faster.  I don't want to waste anything either so after I slab the first two sides I try to make darn sure I'm going to have the CANT height and width I want....I start by dropping the head 1 1/2" below the height at the center of the logs (thanks to one or more FF members for telling me that several years ago) and open the face, rotate 90 degrees and do it again.  Rotate again and do it one more time.  Now I have a decision to make:  leave it or trim it to say 7 3/8 (so I can split it but I check the pitch first to make sure it's offset, if not I have to bring it down and make 2x6's instead or take a 2x out, rotate 180, take another and then cut the center down thereby boxing the heart.  If I trim to split I rotate again, take the last face off, get the height I want, rotate, split, rotate and mill down.

Takes me about 15 to 25 minutes on an 8 to 10 inch log depending on if I'm working alone or have help
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on July 16, 2016, 11:40:45 PM
Eric
This comment will likely trigger some mods for you I am sure.

I added manual board return and then had to get the out feed table built and then "had" to do the feed motor up grade. These mods triggered the addition of the second hydraulic pump.

BUT Those 3 mods probably did the most to increase production both with and without help.

I just wish I had wireles remote now.
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 17, 2016, 08:49:20 AM
Some day :)  Some day ;)

But for now it's Manuel Labor ;)  I don't mind though......my body does mind  :snowball: :D

Got up pretty stiff today....3 days of milling and hard at it and I can feel it.  You'd think that goes away after a while but, um, the weekly desk job must be killing me!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on July 19, 2016, 04:48:10 PM
Not as productive a day on Sunday with only about 950bf produced but I spent some time during the day making stickers and moving logs etc.  However after 60 logs I was done for the weekend and headed home.  I'll be returning on the 28th to complete the job :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 21, 2016, 11:44:59 AM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/Googleearth.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1469115859)
A customer sent me this Google Earth shot of milling :)

Kinda cool
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on July 25, 2016, 12:04:56 AM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_20160723_172320084_HDR_281024x57629.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1469419169)
Finished up in Wellpinit WA at 3:00 today :)  Milled up just over 2500bf with a lot of chainsaw work (bucking off the branch stems left on logs), moving logs out of a 'tied up' deck and even using my truck to pull logs forward to get them on the mill (had to strap some down to the forks even).....the customer was great though and now that they understand what I explained about 'centering' the logs on each other etc etc they will have the next log deck much better prepared.  They were also fantastic help and very hard workers which really helped move things along.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_20160723_172351766_HDR_281024x57629.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1469419170)
Total was 30 logs most of which became 2x6's

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_20160724_052930_28800x49529.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1469419170)
This job was about 135 miles from home with no buildings nearby and no hotel within an hour so I camped out with the customer, had a great evening chatting about politics ;) and life, listened to wolves an coyotes throughout the night and generally just enjoyed myself :)

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_20160724_052953_28539x80029.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1469419171)
And at 5am I was up and making coffee with my Jetboil stove and french press attachment :)  Ahhh yes, life was good right then :)
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Post by: tnaz on July 25, 2016, 07:04:56 AM
"Jetboil stove and french press attachment" And you call yourself a Marine!!! :D :D :D

And again, Thanks for your service.  Sounds like a good time, and made some $$ to boot.
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Post by: Czech_Made on July 25, 2016, 07:40:21 AM
Sleeping on the job :) ;D

How was the weather, hot and humid or the West Coast does not have that?

Quote from: OlJarhead on July 25, 2016, 12:04:56 AM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_20160723_172320084_HDR_281024x57629.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1469419169)
Finished up in Wellpinit WA at 3:00 today :)  Milled up just over 2500bf with a lot of chainsaw work (bucking off the branch stems left on logs), moving logs out of a 'tied up' deck and even using my truck to pull logs forward to get them on the mill (had to strap some down to the forks even).....the customer was great though and now that they understand what I explained about 'centering' the logs on each other etc etc they will have the next log deck much better prepared.  They were also fantastic help and very hard workers which really helped move things along.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_20160723_172351766_HDR_281024x57629.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1469419170)
Total was 30 logs most of which became 2x6's

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_20160724_052930_28800x49529.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1469419170)
This job was about 135 miles from home with no buildings nearby and no hotel within an hour so I camped out with the customer, had a great evening chatting about politics ;) and life, listened to wolves an coyotes throughout the night and generally just enjoyed myself :)

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_20160724_052953_28539x80029.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1469419171)
And at 5am I was up and making coffee with my Jetboil stove and french press attachment :)  Ahhh yes, life was good right then :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 25, 2016, 08:52:47 AM
Marines drink coffee, it is their life blood.  One must have coffee and will put up with many things in order to get it, even ridicule! lol
;D

West Coast?  Oh!  You mean the 'WET Coast' ;)  It's over across the mountains in 'rainbow' country  ;D ::)  Out here in the High Desert it gets hot and dry in the summer and though this summer has been particularly COOL (more like spring) and we've had a lot of rain (more than normal) it was warm at about 80F this weekend but I was up closer to Spokane and at about 2500 feet.  At night it dropped to a perfect 58F which made tent camping all the better ;)
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 26, 2016, 01:52:41 PM
Heading back to Republic to try to get the remaining 60 trees my customer there has done.  Then I'll have a break as it's my wifes 30yr reunion for HS the following weekend....but I suspect I'll be right back to milling after that :)  8)

I should reach my goal (monetary goal I made with myself after buying the new mill) by early August (maybe mid) and then it's all gravy from there :)

What goal?  I wanted the mill to pay for itself in a reasonable amount of time but decided to set my goal on the amount required to fund the mill for one year (including payments I have to make still).  I should be there with some months to spare :)

At this pace I should be able to have the mill pay for itself in 12-18 months.  Then it has to pay for a new (er) truck and camper so I don't have to drive so much on jobs that are 50-150 miles away or stay in hotels or homes etc....or tents, don't want to stay in tents so much anymore ;)

So far the plan is working :)  8)
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Post by: Czech_Made on July 26, 2016, 02:09:54 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on July 26, 2016, 01:52:41 PM
At this pace I should be able to have the mill pay for itself in 12-18 months.  Then it has to pay for a new (er) truck and camper so I don't have to drive so much on jobs that are 50-150 miles away or stay in hotels or homes etc....or tents, don't want to stay in tents so much anymore ;)

So far the plan is working :)  8)

And you work hard to make it work  smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Brucer on July 27, 2016, 01:08:35 AM
I took out a 5 year loan to buy my second mill, and managed to pay it off in only 20 months (plus put quite a bit in my pocket). As long as the work is there you'll have not trouble making your goal :) :).
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on July 27, 2016, 10:18:11 AM
I "borrowed" the money for my mill from my RRSA and paid 5% interest back to me on the repayment. I took 25% of each job  on average and had it paid back in just 30 months. The plan was to get it repaid in 36 months so I did good. By doing it that way none of those dollars get taxed as long as they are under the RRSA account (Registered Retirement Savings Account = RRSA) and you keep your repayment plan up to date.

 
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 28, 2016, 10:56:25 PM
Setup again with 43 logs in the log deck and another 20 or 30 to be added Saturday.

I bought some 1 1/4" PVC, some T's and a 90 and glued them up so 24" of pipe will slide down into the mast pipe, turn 90 degrees and run about a foot towards the controls, then a T and another pipe that goes down to about the bar that holds the controls.  I'll slot the umbrella into this pipe and tape it to the control support for now and see how that does.

I have an appointment with a metal fab shop next week and will be getting a permanent steel support added to the mill to set the umbrella right over the work station but for now this will work as a 'mock up' and 'test platform' to see if my idea works.  If it does I can have them make me a metal tube construction that will bolt to the control head support arm and rest inside the mast uprights so it can be removed when not needed.

With luck this setup (the PVC one) will hold up over the weekend (I'll get some pics) and keep the sun off me as it will be well into the 90's tomorrow and I don't want to bake in the sun all day!  Might be a bit week but it only needs to hold over the weekend until I can get something much stronger and possibly permanent made (I have save the pics of what others have done but was thinking of doing one that can be removed without any holes drilled etc for when it isn't needed).

Anyway, I'm back at it tomorrow for 4 or 5 days (hopefully less not more) and with just one small job after that will reach my annual target! :D

Got a call from a potential customer 204 miles away.  Gave him my particulars and I think he's going to hire me later in August or September so that would be great!  And I have another job coming up probably in September with a local guy (I'm giving him a great deal because he's ten minutes away from my home) and a few other small jobs in the mix :)

If this keeps up I'll be doing a happy dance next spring! ;)  I'll pay this mill off in 12 to 16 months at this rate and buy my truck and camper so I can just camp onsite for jobs instead of tenting it in remote locations or driving an hour back to my cabin at night -- which takes it's toll.
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on July 29, 2016, 12:15:40 AM
take a look at my last pictures with the umbrella. those pieces didn't cost me 10 bucks and they work very well and come off in a bout a minute when I don't need em


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22409/IMG_1423.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1469765498)



 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22409/IMG_1425.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1469765551)



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 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22409/IMG_1429.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1469765404)
Think it mighta took me a half hour to build it. That is an 8 foot umbrella.
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Post by: Weekend_Sawyer on July 29, 2016, 09:28:24 AM
I like the umbrella setup. I also noticed the leaf blower in the back ground. I started using one to clean up the mill after a day of milling. It works great and is not as much mess as using a water hose like I used to.

Jon
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 29, 2016, 10:17:01 PM
 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/ready.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1469844429)
Got started early today as it was going to get hot (I only saw 85F at the site when I left (in my truck which was shaded by then) but it got to 95F in Republic and as soon as I was heading out after 5pm that's what I saw (95)....glad I started early!

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/setup.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1469844447)
There were about 43 logs in the deck with another 40 or so to add to it and I milled up 19 of them today.

OUt of those I got just over 1200bf.  Wish I could have done more but those small suckers just don't produce.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_20160729_085255145.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1469844449) 
Had an E03 error twice to called WM and they advised taking the cord off and blowing it out.  THat did the trick!  No more errors on the SimpleSet after that.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/umbrella.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1469844457)
I finally got my CANT sizes down though and with a setting of 6 7/8 tall and either 5 5/8 wide or 7 3/8 (rarely) I was rocking!  No more guessing.

Thanks to MM for the tip on the band thickness I used a spreadsheet and just worked it down so I knew what to target.  Much faster this way!

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/setup2.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1469844459)
I ended up targeting 5 1/8" tall after I ran out of bigger logs (ok none of these are 'big' by my book!) and it was just so nice to draw back, set the head at 5 1/8" and hit SS and down :)  Away you go!

I managed 240bf / hr in the first two hours of the day (bigger logs closer to the mill) but man that dropped off later on!  Small logs just don't make much lumber in a hurry.

Good thing this job is by hour! ;)  And with no help today I was happy with my production.

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Post by: OlJarhead on July 30, 2016, 09:58:04 PM
Bandit I love that!  I'm going to do it!  Thanks!

So today was a good day if not as much production as I'd like with only 999BF but that's with 22 logs!  They were all small and shorter than previous days with some 12's and a lot of 10 footers.

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Early in the day (about 10:30) and it was getting hot so I took a break (3 1/2 hrs into the day).

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/Breaktime.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1469929705)
Took the band off and call it break time!

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/EarlyBreak2.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1469929713)
The log deck was getting down there so I called the logger and asked that he deck up the rest of the logs or I'd have to take a day off!

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/Umbrella.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1469929731)
Not much shade with this umbrella set up but at least it kept the head cool (mill not mine) and gave me a place to hide from the sun.  It was in the 90's and I was downing water like crazy.  Drank about 140oz throughout the day to stay alive!

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/Lunch.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1469929726)
Took another break at noon for lunch and again around 3pm to cool off.  The log deck was winding down at this point but I left 4 logs on the deck at 4:45 and called it a day!

Passed the logger on my way out so tomorrow I'll have another 40 logs or so but they are all smaller.  I hope to get through half of them and may finish up on Monday.  It will be nice to finish this job and head home!  It's been my biggest to date with this being the 2nd trip out (last was four days, this one will be 4 or maybe even 5).  Customer hasn't come by so I've been milling alone.  Funny thing though, I'm not minding it at all other than the heat and running out of room to stack the slabs.

I've gotten the cant sizes for dimensional down now too (I guess a week of milling like this will do that) and though I sometimes have to drop down to 5 1/8" instead of my preferred 6 7/8" it's nice to just draw back, flip the cant and set the head at 6 7/8 and 5 1/8 and hit Simple Set and down and away I go :)  Makes like so easy and I know get what MM was saying about knowing what the can't will be on the first opening!  So easy really once you understand.
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Post by: Peter Drouin on July 31, 2016, 02:54:32 PM
Nice job , I use to turn the slabs the other way. I would ramp the things so I could walk up them and drop the slab off the far side.
Just have to watch for them sliding around when walking up them.
But after a while you find a way to lock them in so they won't move. ;D

Where you put the pile in the pic is good.  :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 31, 2016, 03:37:23 PM
Thanks Peter.  Nothing like 100+ logs to get it down on.

Something kept ringing in my brain today, two things really.  1.  A WM rep told me an LT40HDG26 should cut a foot a sec on 18" logs.... I've counted and never got there.  2.  Someone here said "I run it till she bogs a little.

Hmmmmm...so I cranked up the feed rate on a 12" can't and she cut true at about a foot a second.  This caused me to try o. Smaller logs and sure enough it seemed to like it.  The dial is about 1 o'clock at that point t and I'm turning out the short logs much faster I think. Might even get 26 today which would leave me one more day of short logs to do :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 31, 2016, 10:00:13 PM
I found that was a little too fast for the bands and bigger logs and had to back off.  8 to 10" tops and I can run just past 12 o'clock, maybe even 1 but found it wasn't best as the bands got hot and I started seeing wavy cuts on bigger logs.

In the end I did 25 logs for 950bf for the day.  These were mostly 8 footers.  Pics later....also got a vid of the first log (most of it) but I'm beat now!
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 02, 2016, 11:17:09 AM
https://youtu.be/aXbZ2V4rhcU
First log of the day so I'm not yet in the swing of things but this is how I'm doing it these days :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 02, 2016, 11:59:44 AM
Last day I only produced ~816bf but that was with few 8 footers, a dozen or so 6 footers and even a half dozen or so 4 footers! 

The customer asked if we could mill the rest of the 'small' logs despite the time and I said "of course, but it's your dime so you let me know what you want done and we'll make it happen!"  He was happy with my answer I guess as we began live sawing stuff for shelving and benches and posts etc....it was nice to have him there even if it was only for a few hours at the end of the job.
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Post by: Jim_Rogers on August 02, 2016, 03:54:53 PM
How are you getting the mill to gig back automatically? is there a new setting on the newer mills? my mill doesn't do that. You have to hold the lever down.
or is it coasting?

How are you dealing with sawdust removal? I didn't see much there.

Jim Rogers

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Post by: venice on August 02, 2016, 05:22:57 PM
Beautiful workplace! Thanks for sharing.

venice
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 02, 2016, 08:43:34 PM
Jim it just worked out that way! lol it was slightly, despite my best efforts, downhill to the front so if I hit the return level quickly the head would coast back towards the front (and I lube the rails twice a day which may help)....sure made life easier ;)
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Post by: larrydown60 on August 02, 2016, 09:17:09 PM
Wow looking like an old pro running that mill lol Nice video thanks
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on August 02, 2016, 10:06:04 PM
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on August 02, 2016, 03:54:53 PM

How are you dealing with sawdust removal? I didn't see much there.

Jim Rogers

I keep a plastic 24 inch snow shovel handy (when not filling totes to order) and just shovel into a pile off the end of the mill about 8 feet and too the left most of the time. It works good and doesnt take extra time and is easy to get at with a FEL as a rule. BUT when you have people competing for the saw dust dont often have to move it.
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 02, 2016, 11:59:02 PM
Sawdust?  We make sawdust?

Actually I keep a yard rake and a snow shovel handy and rake and shovel the sawdust out of the way a few times a day.  However, I also spread it around the work area.  If you look  closely you will notice it's half way up the fenders ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 03, 2016, 12:00:51 AM
Quote from: larrydown60 on August 02, 2016, 09:17:09 PM
Wow looking like an old pro running that mill lol Nice video thanks

Ha!  Thanks ;)  I'm trying to get a system down so I can produce a decent amount of lumber, of good quality at a decent rate that pays me for the hard work ;)  It's a challenge but thanks to folks like MM and Peter, Chuck, Bandit and so many others here I'm learning ;)

Mill turned 150 this weekend too I think (have to double check)! 
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 03, 2016, 09:07:54 PM
Out of the frying pan into the fire......

Seems just when I think I'm going to relax a couple weeks I was asked if I could go mill up 14-16 decent sized logs this weekend.  I can't but offered the following weekend instead. :)

I'm almost at my goal for the year and that will put me over (and I won't be stopping, just like meeting my goals and breaking them).

Talked to an accountant today (a friend and former coworker so he didn't charge me   8) ) and he pointed out that I'm not making any money this year :D  8) :D :D ;D ;D  Gotta love accountants and how they think! 
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Post by: Czech_Made on August 04, 2016, 05:47:05 AM
Nice video, thanks for sharing  :)

Quote from: OlJarhead on August 02, 2016, 11:17:09 AM
https://youtu.be/aXbZ2V4rhcU
First log of the day so I'm not yet in the swing of things but this is how I'm doing it these days :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 05, 2016, 08:11:40 PM
:)  Thanks for watching ;)  I do those as much for myself to see what I was doing as well as for others who can give me pointers etc.  I enjoy milling and the vids just allow me to relive some of it! lol

I visited one of my customers to see the barn they built today :)
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_20160805_114941655_281024x57529.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1470441999)

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The boards on the 6x's in front are to keep the sheep from gnawing on the posts! lol

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They were told they overbuilt the barn but I told them that just means it will last longer! Their builder put the 'clothespin' ends on those beams.  Looks kinda cool and I guess is a signature.

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Shot of a log on the mill on my last job :)

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Just a wack of lumber that came off the mill :)

Got more jobs in the works and am just a short job from reaching my annual goal :D  8)
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Post by: Brucer on August 05, 2016, 11:37:58 PM
 smiley_clapping .
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on August 05, 2016, 11:44:05 PM
You are doing real good Eric!!  8) 8) 8)
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 08, 2016, 01:23:47 PM
Thanks guys :)

Broke down and bought a new chainsaw (also posted in the chainsaw forum).  After much research and debate I went with the Husky 576XP instead of an Echo CS800p.  The Husky is slightly smaller at 74cc vs the Echo's 80 but I think I'll be happier with another Husky since I love my 455 Rancher.

Can't wait to go out and buck up a big dead Fir I have.  Tried to buck it up with the 455 but man that was taking too long!  Cut one side in minutes (yes), then moved to the other side (again minutes) and then time to sharpen the chain and let the saw cool off since it was working too hard!  Now I'll tackle it with a bigger bar and 20+ more cc's of power :)

Can't wait!
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 11, 2016, 09:57:57 AM
New saw assembled and ready for work :)
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_0825_28800x39929.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1470923765)

Not a lot of difference in the two saws though the small one is the 'home owners' type saw (455 Rancher) vs the 'pro' saw I just bought :)
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_0824_28800x79829.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1470923765)

Now to get the big saw out and cut some logs up with it!  (and to order another bar and chain (or two chains for that matter)
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on August 11, 2016, 11:42:10 PM
IF the need for 20 foot lumber is very limited what don't you have them buck to 10's = 2 logs and 12' leaving an 8'. I don't know what their cut list looks like but seems there would be a lot more usable lumber if they did that.


This post is a ghost that I lost awhile ago and wondered where it went. Well now its here but dont ask where it came from cause i dont know where it went in the first place it supposed to back up by the logging and bucking job you did. Think it was your first or 2nd job
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 11, 2016, 11:57:12 PM
Oh I tried but it took me 3 days of work to convince them.  Finally on the last day they started bucking the logs down to 16 feet -- I still don't get it but I did my best :)

The barn is what they built out of it and they are build shade sheds for the goats with the rest.
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 15, 2016, 08:57:28 AM
Finally got the plywood ($18.25 at HD) and had it cut down to size on the spot.  Then brought it home and grabbed some 1x out of the wood pile I've had in the garage a while (awaiting me to do something with it like make flooring and/or shelving).  Dug out my brad nailer and other goodies and went to work.

Glued, clamped, screwed (to hold everything in place while the glue set and when I removed the clamps) stapled (1.5" staples out of the brad nailer) and braced the corners.  Then put on a piano hinge which required some dremel work to remove long screws and tossed on some old stain.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_20160814_192415364_HDR_28800x32829.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1471265540)

Not the prettiest box in the world but it is going to get beat up so I'm not worried :)  At least now the bands can come out of the shipping box which can be saved in the garage for just that.
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Need to stick a couple bolts up through the center to hold the bands in better bother otherwise this should work.  I plan to make at least one more so I can keep double hards and bimetals apart.
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on August 15, 2016, 10:11:35 AM
My band box is almost a twin to that one Erik. got some pictures uplaoding the i will add ASAP. Dont do the screws till you see the pics. My 2 blocks work very well.



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Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 15, 2016, 10:28:33 AM
Eric,

   I've posted this before but my band box looks a lot like yours only I made it wider and can keep 2 sets of bands in the same box. I use mine for 2 different types of bands. You could use it to keep new blades on one side and used ones on the other if you wanted to.   

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/38064/Band_box~3.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1471271188)
I use rope handles in the middle that closes the box when I lift it.


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I stand the box up  to open it to be sure the bands open one set on each side.
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 15, 2016, 10:46:14 AM
Thanks guys!  Love the block idea!  Did you use metal Simpson straps for the tops?  If so I think that would be perfect.

Like the double box idea too.  My idea was to make two boxes...also like the rope handle, thanks
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on August 15, 2016, 11:12:02 AM
Not sure what you call them Erik. They are a couple tin plates with pre drilled holes that were left over from building some small trusses for one of my sheds.

I just rounded the corners so they wouldn't catch fingers and such.

I throw the silca bags from the shipping boxes in there all the time too and keep my spare wheel belts in there as well.   
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Post by: Czech_Made on August 15, 2016, 11:27:37 AM
Great minds think alike  ;D
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 15, 2016, 02:05:19 PM
Bandit,

   I like the blocks better than using the WM provided clips. I can see some quick mods in the future. Wonder where I could find some scrap pieces of wood for something like that?

   I also like the idea of keeping the spare drive and band wheel belts in the boxes. That way I will always have them with me and not have to remember to load them each time I travel with the mill. Throwing the silicon in the boxes makes good sense too.

Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: KirkD on August 19, 2016, 01:45:35 PM
So how many bands will fit in one box and if you don't mind sharing the dimensions of the box?
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 19, 2016, 03:47:20 PM
Quote from: KirkD on August 19, 2016, 01:45:35 PM
So how many bands will fit in one box and if you don't mind sharing the dimensions of the box?

Inside dimension is roughly the same as the box WM uses.  I want to say the box is 34"x38" leaving just shy of 2" for the 1x's I used...Inside will be 32"x36"

Should hold about 20 bands though I've put 22 inside a WM box.  My intent is to have 15 bands in each box
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on August 19, 2016, 10:43:33 PM
Id have to go measure the box BUT the measurements I used are the OUTSIDE measurement of the woodmizer cardboard shipping box for my box and I've had 15 bands in the box with room to spare. I built mine out of 3/8ths fir ply wood.

Those out side measurements are the inside measurements of my box.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 19, 2016, 11:51:25 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on August 19, 2016, 03:47:20 PM
Quote from: KirkD on August 19, 2016, 01:45:35 PM
So how many bands will fit in one box and if you don't mind sharing the dimensions of the box?

Inside dimension is roughly the same as the box WM uses.  I want to say the box is 34"x38" leaving just shy of 2" for the 1x's I used...Inside will be 32"x36"

Should hold about 20 bands though I've put 22 inside a WM box.  My intent is to have 15 bands in each box

Clear as mud?  LOL I will measure tomorrow but I cut the plywood 2" over so I had room for the 1x's inside.  Those were cut I believe, at 1 3/4" tall so I had plenty of height inside the box.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 21, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
36" wide (inside dimension) x 32" deep (ID) x 1 1/2" tall (not 1 3/4"  like I thought I'd done but I remember changing it at the last minute because it didn't need to be that tall since I don't use the wide bands).

OD is 38x34 to accommodate the 1x I used on the inside.

I added the blocks and plates to hold the bands in place also now :)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 21, 2016, 10:12:33 PM
Got to my latest job and after setting up and doing a little milling I noticed the mill head was moving side to side too much!  Had to do a little field maintenance and tighten up the 'stays' for the rollers (not sure what you call them) but after some fiddling I got the head to stop rocking and got back to milling.

First log was a 290bf Doug Fir that was 20 feet long.  Got it milled into 1x12's and two 6x12's for the customer and moved on to the next log, a 300 board foot 14 footer!  That one had me testing out the new chainsaw -- I LOVE IT! -- as I had to whittle down the big end a bit in order to get the mill past the flare, done and milled :)  Took lunch and started tackling the next big log that scaled out at 253bf.  Got it milled into a cant and was just working it down to make some more 6x12's and the day ended for me :(

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_20160821_182256171_281024x52129.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1471831366)

I was just thinking I needed to order a couple of these belts when I rotated them the last time as one had a slight fray in it from the band coming off early on and I thought it might be a problem later on.  It wasn't though, instead the 'good' belt somehow rolled off the wheel and lodged itself on the other side of the head between the band and the guide arm!  How or why I can only surmise that some bark got into it somehow and wedged it out at high speed.  You tell me???

837bf milled (1x's and 6x12's) and I had to roll the cant off the mill and pack it in for the day.  Still looking at the numbers thinking that's awfully high since there is still a good 300bf left in that last log (I might have scaled it wrong since I have a 15x17" cant left which my math tells me is 300bf for a 13 footer -- I'm thinking that my writing down 20" as the Diameter small end is wrong since that thing made a lot of flitches to get it to where it sits now!

Anyway, easy to make a lot of board feet when you're making 6x12's -- good thing the customer had a tractor to haul them off the mill.

I'm scheduled to go back because I did not prepare with spares  >:( and I won't charge setup or delivery etc to return since it isn't there fault.

Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Chuck White on August 22, 2016, 06:00:17 AM
Always a good idea to have an extra pair of B-57's on hand.

I had been running without spares for a while (I do have two old ones in the garage), so just before I left the Boonville Woodsmens Days event on Saturday I picked up a pair of new ones at the Wood-Mizer booth!
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Post by: Magicman on August 22, 2016, 06:38:38 AM
I have also had belts to be sliced when a blade broke so two new and two old B57's are always in my truck. 
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 22, 2016, 08:32:46 AM
How common is this?  I'm guessing bark under the band or something but really don't know.  Band tension was right on but I was milling some big logs and pushing the throat distance a bunch (hence the chainsaw to whittle the logs on the first cuts)....
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Post by: paul case on August 22, 2016, 09:03:21 AM
When they have some wear on them they will roll off fairly easy.

I have had them roll off and the tension went down so I tightened it up and sawed without one for the rest of the log and then changed the band and found the belt. I didnt even notice except the tension went down.

I keep some spares as well. A band breaking or coming off the wheels can mess up the belts real easy.

PC
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 22, 2016, 09:09:46 AM
I'm guess B57's are the same for all LT40's?  I show them on WM's site for G25 and G28....mines a G26 :P
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on August 22, 2016, 10:12:22 AM
I have had one B57 on the drive wheel do that. It was the event that convinced me to go ahead and try the B56 on the drive side.

That first B56 went for just over 600 hours without an issue. The last 50 or so hours I had some wavy lumber issues because it was just plain wore out.

The current B56 is approaching 300 hours and is performing well.

B56 on the drive side and a B57 on the idle side. Have never had any tire belt issues since I went to this configuration.     
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Deese on August 22, 2016, 11:06:58 AM
I had the recurring problem of blades popping off the bandwheels while sawing. It would kink the blade every time, and would give me a good scare each time it happened. I got to where I was on "pins and needles" every time I had the blade turning. It turned out that my B56 belts were worn almost smooth. I replaced them the other day and sawed most of the day Saturday and all day yesterday with not one blade issue. It seems to always be something...
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Post by: Carson-saws on August 22, 2016, 12:48:48 PM
Your thread alone..AND your devotion, skills, knowledge PLUS all the others that inner act share ideas and knowledge is absolutely invaluable, priceless. Learning a trade and being so accomplished at it goes to show you get out of it what you put into it.  How to make a "full circle" out of milling and being able to apply it at so many different levels.  and to be able to do something you enjoy and reap the rewards is  a very satisfying feeling.  Proof positive that " we learn something new every day"

GREAT THREAD!!!!!!
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 22, 2016, 12:56:30 PM
Thank you sir :)  If it weren't for FF and all the great members here I could not have done what I've done so far!!!

I started with a CSM thanks for folks here.  Learned it was too slow for me and I needed a bigger saw so I went to a small WM LT10...it paid for itself quickly and I put it on a trailer to work for others...I learned a ton doing that and chatting with folks here.  Now I'm milling more than ever and learning more every day!  I'm comfortable milling and while the work is hard -- no kidding anyone here about that! ha! -- I enjoy it :)

Can't wait for my new belts to arrive so I can get back to milling -- but I'll do some maintenance on the mill while waiting.  Need to find a reference on the head movement I had and the right clearance for the guide bolts (not sure what you call them)....as one has a slight stick now in the middle of the bed
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: paul case on August 22, 2016, 06:39:50 PM
In a pinch, an auto parts store b57 belt will work fine.

PC
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 22, 2016, 07:41:02 PM
So the B56 is 1" shorter (in length)....how hard are they to get on?  With the B56 on the drive side you don't rotate them...interesting.  WM tells me the drive side wears faster than the other so to rotate every 50hrs.
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Post by: 4x4American on August 22, 2016, 08:37:43 PM
I too am going to go to B56...from what I recall you need to get Goodyear B56 to make sure they are right...right?  I'm not gonna fiddle fart around with two different belts, gonna run em both B56.  When I got my orange paint, Poston convinced me to get 300- B57 belts along with it, so I'm just waiting til they run out.  Currently, I have 295 belts on the wall, 295 belts.  Take one down, pass it around, 294 belts on the wall.
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on August 22, 2016, 09:00:52 PM
I did a description of the install process for the B56 some where on the forum but not sure where. The first time was a PITA,  BUT I learned a lot on how to get it done. First time took about an hour, a lot of cussing and scraped knuckles and the second time took about 10 minutes no cussing and no busted knuckles.

I always flip the idles side belt side to side when I change blades and at this point have changed the 2 belts at the same time.

I'll go find that belt change description and post the link. Next time I change belts I will do a video tutorial but that is about 250 milling hours or so away.

heres that link
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,89693.msg1380237.html#msg1380237   
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Deese on August 22, 2016, 09:41:35 PM
I've got 19" band wheels and just put new carquest B56 belts on Saturday. Oh. My. Goodness. It took 2 pair of vise grips, a hammer, and a really stout flat head screwdriver. I've done it a few times and dread it each time. So frustrating!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Deese on August 22, 2016, 09:51:09 PM
Thanks for reposting that link Banmill B. Very interesting.
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Post by: paul case on August 22, 2016, 09:56:41 PM
Timberking did have a video on youtube about changing the b56 belts.

Spray lube, like WD-40 will help.

PC
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: MartyParsons on August 23, 2016, 07:22:21 AM
Hello,
   I see very few B-56 belts in the field. Not seen many issues with the B-57 . Not sure why you would want to run the 56? Your call.
I have seen the B-57 stick in the wheel and cause the band to jump off. I usually check the belt at the beginning of the day if it is sticking remove the band blade and spray some WD40 or just about any lube in the pulley grove. I would not think anything liquid would stay on it long due to heat and centrifugal force.
I see a few wheels with build up between the belt and the wheel on service.
When we do an alignment during service we always replace the B-57 belt. The height of the belt will change as the belt wears and thus if a new belt was not used the deflection would be less when a new belt was installed.

Hope this helps.

Marty
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on August 23, 2016, 09:57:00 AM
Hey Marty
Thanks for the input. The main reason I use the B56 is because jack pine and white spruce seem to have a stickier saw dust and it make lumps under the drive belt side that are a continual PITA.  Since I have gone to the B56 on the drive side there are so many issues that just don't exist for me any more. i doubt every body will need to use them but they sure do make my milling life a lot nicer AND I don't have near as many broken blades any more. I now sharpen about 80% of my blades to the point of can't sharpen any more and they still are not broken when I toss em in the scrap bin at the welding shop in town.

in   
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Brucer on August 24, 2016, 12:59:33 AM
Sawing mainly Douglas-Fir, the only times I've had any build-up under the belt is when I've been sawing in a heavy snowfall (which I really try to avoid :(). Something about the combination of snow and sawdust seems to cause it to accumulate in the balancing holes in the bandwheel on the drive side. As soon as it fills the hole, the sawdust is attracted to the same spot and starts to make a bump at the bottom of the wheel.

If you run your mill with one or more of these bumps under the b57 belt, it will cause your belt tension to fluctuate up and down very rapidly. This is hard on everything in the drive train -- blades, bearings, drive belts.

You'll get exactly the same effect if you buy a cheap belt that has a raised area on the back of the belt at the splice. That's why I stick to Wood-Mizer branded belts.

In most situations the b57 is a self-cleaning belt. In a few cases a b56 will do a better job of keeping the sawdust out in the first places.
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Post by: Magicman on August 24, 2016, 10:38:49 PM
B57's on both bandwheels serve me well so I see no reason to experiment.
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Post by: Jim_Rogers on August 25, 2016, 08:09:40 AM
Quote from: Magicman on August 24, 2016, 10:38:49 PM
B57's on both bandwheels serve me well so I see no reason to experiment.

x2
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Post by: John S on August 25, 2016, 09:31:35 AM
X3
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 28, 2016, 10:17:20 AM
Belts arrived so I'll do some maintenance today and get the mill and truck ready for the next couple of jobs.  I need to return to the last job and finish it since I had no belts to replace the tore up one with and pulled off the job.  That will hurt a little since it's about 100 miles from me.  Then I have another job to do, a short one.  It's a Tulip a customer wants milled up.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/image1.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1472393749)

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She tells me she has enough logs to keep me busy for a half day...interesting that they pulled off the bark off.
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Post by: Magicman on August 28, 2016, 02:29:50 PM
Oh what nice "logs".   :o
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Post by: tnaz on August 28, 2016, 03:17:23 PM
Quote from: Magicman on August 28, 2016, 02:29:50 PM
Oh what nice "logs".   :o

I hope my computer works when I get the tea out of it!! :D :D
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Post by: Slingshot on August 28, 2016, 07:26:07 PM

   I would say the bark just fell off those nice logs.





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Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 28, 2016, 09:46:56 PM
LOL but for $85/hr plus setup etc and I'll be happy to mill them into whatever I can for the customer.

I am hoping, however, that they have some that aren't badly checked etc.
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Post by: tnaz on August 29, 2016, 09:17:33 AM
LOL but for $85/hr plus setup etc and I'll be happy to mill them into whatever I can for the customer.

I hear ya. :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Carson-saws on August 29, 2016, 05:42:59 PM
that's the bottom line right there...
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 11, 2016, 07:21:34 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_20160911_091436012_HDR_281024x63729.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1473635922)
Yup I'll saw that!

Used MM's chain trick to get the 'log' on the deck and started whittling it down :)

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Took some chainsaw work to whittle down the outer edges a few times as this thing was just a tad too wide!  But I got it done :)

Moved on to the second 'big' wood and got it down then milled several small 'logs' until the last big chunk was chained onto the deck...got it milled square but ran into a nail.  Changed band, rotated the log 180 and milled it down.

Put some slabs/flitches up on the deck to square them up for lathe wood and hit more nails....called it a day but it was a good day $$$ wise and a day of sawing is a good day anyway :D
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Post by: tnaz on September 11, 2016, 07:50:49 PM
Need more pictures!!! :D  That one looks interesting.

Glad you made some $$$.
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 11, 2016, 08:38:41 PM
Sorry that was all I got this time
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Post by: Czech_Made on September 12, 2016, 09:14:48 AM
What a beast  ;D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 17, 2016, 07:51:12 PM
NOTE to self:  NEVER EVER EVER loan your end sealer to a customer AGAIN!!!  :snowball: >:(

I went to pick up my sealer and put the 5 gal bucket in the back of my truck....got home and thought "gee that looks awfully thick and chunky"...went to shake the bucket and the lid came out and a bunch of sealer spilled onto the driveway!  CUSSING and swearing I began to clean it up.

This is the second time someone did not put the lid on right and it came off making a mess....worst still they seem to fail to understand what the *DanG spout is for!  GRRRRR


Off to Chelan to mill up a dozen logs or so tomorrow :D  I am not at my goal for the year so everything else is golden :D
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Post by: 4x4American on September 17, 2016, 08:45:09 PM
No good deed goes unpunished
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: GAB on September 18, 2016, 01:20:31 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on September 17, 2016, 07:51:12 PM
NOTE to self:  NEVER EVER EVER loan your end sealer to a customer AGAIN!!! 

An approx. 2 pound container of peanuts or mixed nuts has a roughly 4" opening.
I pour some anchorseal in one of those and give it to a perspective customer and they can end seal their own logs without contaminating my pail.
Gerald




Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: ncsawyer on September 18, 2016, 11:12:57 PM
OlJarhead,

I noticed one of your outriggers in the picture was missing the plastic cap.  That's a pretty common thing for my LT40.  I couldn't ever keep them on.  I finally took each one out and run a bead of black silicon around them and put them back it.  Seems to work pretty good.  Keeping those caps on will keep the sawdust and bark out of your outriggers.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 18, 2016, 11:57:30 PM
Like the idea of the peanut can!  Thanks

Also the black silicone.  I can't keep those suckers on and have lost a couple of them.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Brucer on September 19, 2016, 12:54:55 AM
I always keep a couple of spare caps on hand so I can replace a missing/broken one right away. Two weeks ago I move my mill for the first time in 7 years. You would not believe the amount of sawdust that can drift into those adjustment holes on the side of the outrigger. I think without the caps there'd have been sawdust drifting out of the holes :D.
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Post by: paul case on September 19, 2016, 08:55:14 AM
Nope.
The bark plugs them up and it is almost impossible to get it out without taking them completely off and turning them upside down. :-\

PC
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on September 19, 2016, 02:03:12 PM
Correct Paul.  Even with the top caps, they will still fill up and need to be removed every couple of years and cleaned out.  As strange as it may seem, FAO's will also accumulate debris through the adjustment holes along the sides.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Chuck White on September 19, 2016, 03:23:29 PM
I just cleaned mine a few days ago.

I just ran the shop-vac hose down into them and the whole thing took less than 10 minutes.

A couple of knots down in there that wouldn't go into the hose, so just pulled the hose out and the knot was picked off of the end of the hose and tossed.

been thinking about welding a cap on the top because the plastic caps go South fast!
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Post by: Kbeitz on September 19, 2016, 05:13:17 PM
Why not fill them with spray foam
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Post by: thecfarm on September 19, 2016, 06:54:29 PM
would spray foam get wet and stay wet?
I'd pull on up along side a welder and fix it once and for all. Unplug things first.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: paul case on September 19, 2016, 07:04:10 PM
Quote from: Chuck White on September 19, 2016, 03:23:29 PM
I just cleaned mine a few days ago.

I just ran the shop-vac hose down into them and the whole thing took less than 10 minutes.

Now that's using your Thinker. smiley_thumbsup

PC
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: GAB on September 19, 2016, 07:25:53 PM
Quote from: paul case on September 19, 2016, 07:04:10 PM
Quote from: Chuck White on September 19, 2016, 03:23:29 PM
I just cleaned mine a few days ago.

I just ran the shop-vac hose down into them and the whole thing took less than 10 minutes.

Now that's using your Thinker. smiley_thumbsup

PC

I wasn't as smart I just used the air hose and cleaned them out as best I could with that.
Gerald

Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on September 19, 2016, 07:29:01 PM
The outrigger feet have holes in the bottom which helps with the washout, but I really like Chucks vacuum idea.   smiley_idea
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Chuck White on September 19, 2016, 07:52:50 PM
The only issue I had was with the latch pin, if it goes into the locking hole, the vacuum hose won't go past it.

So, I just put a piece of board under the leg and the pin made contact "between" 2 locking holes!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Kbeitz on September 19, 2016, 07:54:11 PM
Cherry bomb....
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on September 19, 2016, 08:50:57 PM
I have used the vacuum thing for decades . Works well.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: 4x4American on September 19, 2016, 08:52:38 PM
Pfff..I just flip the mill upside down and give it a good shake
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 20, 2016, 12:24:58 AM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_20160918_091113057_281024x57629.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1474345359)
The CANT left when my belts broke was already milled to 19"x15" and I milled it down to 3x12's for the customers stairs.

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Getting set up

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23" x 19' Fir ready to mill.  What a way to start the day! (Note when originally posted I thought that was a 24" log but consulting my notes it was actually 23")



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I milled pretty much on the spot as we went but came out of the day over 2200bf by my best guess with 1820bf of logs :)

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Post by: Magicman on September 20, 2016, 08:41:22 AM
~24" top end is a very nice log.   ;D
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 20, 2016, 09:11:00 AM
Quote from: Magicman on September 20, 2016, 08:41:22 AM
~24" top end is a very nice log.   ;D

Yes sir :)  I still have to do the math on the other logs but I never got a total produced because of....well this:
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And that was about half way through the day!  They finally decided the trailer had enough and moved it out of the way and started stacking at the other end of the mill.  it's what they wanted to do (to make moving it all easier) and I haven't quite got marking a tally as I go down yet.  They had me milling everything from 2x6's to 5x7's including 3x's and 4x's in there as well as some 1x's
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Post by: Magicman on September 20, 2016, 09:15:41 AM
Yup that is a mess, sometimes necessary, but still a mess.   :o
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 20, 2016, 09:54:02 AM
Yup lol -- 3x12's mixed in with 5x7's, 4x7's, 3x4's and 2x's and 1x's....and no way I was going to try to figure it out LOL

But they had their own end seal and a nice place under cover where they had already very neatly laid out their previous lumber I'd milled up so I know it will be well stacked by now.
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 20, 2016, 09:55:51 AM
Quote from: Magicman on September 20, 2016, 08:41:22 AM
~24" top end is a very nice log.   ;D
Boy you are good!

It turned out to be 461 as my notes show the top at 23" and the length 19'

How on earth did you figure it was 24x19?  I'm guessing you plugged in the numbers figuring 18 or 20 feet on the log and came close and then just fiddled until you matched my 482? 
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 26, 2016, 03:53:48 PM
Took the weekend off and spent three days building my deck roof at the cabin all with lumber I milled when I first got he LT40 :)

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/done.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1474919447)

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So nice to be able to make your own lumber ;)

Now I'm planning my next milling adventure.  Guy has about 6 trees he's having dropped and ready for the mill.  Not sure of sizes or qty's (which seems common) and will do this one on a weekend in a couple weeks.  My guess is 18 to 24 logs from 30" to 12"...if they are big logs it will take a couple days.

Also got word of a poplar that is coming down nearby that I can have, even mill on site.  Not sure what I'll do with it but it sounds like something worth doing.
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Post by: drobertson on September 26, 2016, 05:53:18 PM
It seems to me that the wmz B 57 is designed for a compression load where as the others for a tension load whatever works I guess, B 57's have worked flawlessly, at the price, why switch?
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Post by: 4x4American on September 26, 2016, 07:55:00 PM
For some reason, sawing pinus strobus, sap loves to build up under them b57s and it will pop the blade off if it gets bad enough.   


At the project, one of our FF blade experts mentioned that he did a test, on those belts vs steel wheels.  I won't get into the details, but what happens is each rotation that B57 makes, it is beating that blade to death.  And who likes to be beat to death?  I don't!  Moral of the story, steel is much more better, B56 is more better, and B57 is the least better of them all.
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Post by: Magicman on September 26, 2016, 08:47:02 PM
To each his own.  Our Pine must be different because in 14 years of sawing, I have never had pitch to build up beneath the B57 belt.  I also do not see where the blade is being "beat to death".  Yes, I can read small print).... ;D

As I said, "to each his own" and we tend to use what works best for our individual use/needs.
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Post by: 4x4American on September 26, 2016, 08:57:01 PM
I gotta fix my computer, if I hit enter, and then backspace, it will put my writing into small print, I mustve missed that one. 


Yea it happens, I get crud build up underneath there every so often.  I think it mainly happens when it's cold out for some reason.  But it's spat blades off at me.  Jake from State Farm was the one who helped me figure out why my blades kept popping off.
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on September 26, 2016, 11:12:12 PM
I have cut 3 different types of Pine. Jack Pine; terrible pitchy with a LOT of pitch pockets but oh such beautiful wood and the wonderfully addicting smell. PITA for build up under the B57s Best sawdust high (read cocain) there is. Pondarosa; have only sawed about 1500 BF but not quite as much sticky pitch issues with the 4 trees cut up. White pine; seems a lot like white spruce with very minimal build up problems.

B56 on drive side and B57 idle side is how I run 100% of the time and have been for 4 years now.

The beating the blade to death is an interesting concept. I will say that I have a LOT less blade breakage over the last 4 years but I have not considered the switch to the B56 on the drive side as a factor in that regard. I can see where it could be a factor.       
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Post by: Czech_Made on September 27, 2016, 06:43:41 AM
Looks like nice slice of Heaven  :)


Quote from: OlJarhead on September 26, 2016, 03:53:48 PM
Took the weekend off and spent three days building my deck roof at the cabin all with lumber I milled when I first got he LT40 :)

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/done.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1474919447)
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/done2.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1474919447)

So nice to be able to make your own lumber ;)

Now I'm planning my next milling adventure.  Guy has about 6 trees he's having dropped and ready for the mill.  Not sure of sizes or qty's (which seems common) and will do this one on a weekend in a couple weeks.  My guess is 18 to 24 logs from 30" to 12"...if they are big logs it will take a couple days.

Also got word of a poplar that is coming down nearby that I can have, even mill on site.  Not sure what I'll do with it but it sounds like something worth doing.
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 27, 2016, 09:49:39 PM
One of my guys at my day job said I could have this poplar he's having removed from one of his rentals.  His faller, who has a CSM, doesn't want or need it as he has enough already apparently so it's mine and he will cut it into whatever lengths I want.
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The base is 7 feet across but the two main trunks are about 30 inches.

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I'm thinking of milling it into 4, 5 or 6" beams and letting it dry then remilling into whatever I want later from it.

Thoughts?
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Post by: Peter Drouin on September 28, 2016, 05:51:13 AM
I would not touch the tree, I would let him have it. :D :D :D :D
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Post by: thecfarm on September 28, 2016, 06:10:40 AM
2 feet long. Just the right length for my OWB.  ;D Looks lke those limbs are big and in the wrong place and too close together.
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Post by: 47sawdust on September 28, 2016, 06:37:38 AM
That tree looks like a perfect Halloween tree,then burn it.
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Post by: sandsawmill14 on September 28, 2016, 06:57:56 AM
if its poplar like we have here it dries easy enough there is no need to saw it in cants and then resawing :) and as already said the only thing you can make out of that log is 4/4 siding the knots will make it weak and it will break if you use it for anything else  :) if it was me i wouldnt fool with it unless i needed the lumber or was just doing it as a favor :)  remember their is a reason a guy with a sawmill would give a log away instead of milling it himself ;)
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 28, 2016, 09:10:59 AM
Hmmmm I thought I saw on here people milling poplar for various uses...no?
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Post by: GAB on September 28, 2016, 09:38:20 AM
That tree looks like cribbing material and some low BTU firewood.
Gerald
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Post by: Magicman on September 28, 2016, 09:57:47 AM
Erik, Tulip Poplar makes siding as well as wall paneling and ceiling, but I have no idea what kind of Poplar that is??  That tree is limby (sp) but you will be OK if you can squeeze some 8' logs out of the trunk.  The left butt log should be OK if there is no metal.
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 28, 2016, 10:50:58 AM
Thanks...makes me wonder if it's worth doing.
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Post by: Magicman on September 28, 2016, 12:11:57 PM
That would be your call. 

Personally, unless I had a specific use for the lumber and a suitable place to store it, I would pass.  I do not deal with the lumber selling market.
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Post by: derhntr on September 28, 2016, 12:39:39 PM
Bark looks like our cotton wood. I would save the blade and gas. Would only saw it if customer was paying.
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Post by: rjwoelk on September 28, 2016, 01:10:49 PM
Oljarhead  I would saw it as an experiment.  I have a neighbor that is a cabinet guy and he loves cotton wood as trim base board etc. It takes stain nicely.I have been told by several folks that they prefer  cotton wood for Trailer decking were you have steel tracks  it gives and does not shred. 
Don't know till you try.
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Post by: ChugiakTinkerer on September 28, 2016, 01:14:12 PM
I'm in the process of sawing some black cottonwood, mainly because I need the practice.  Here in Alaska the black cottonwood and balsam poplar are almost indistinguishable, and they occasionally cross-pollinate.  The best uses I've seen on FF and other places for cottonwood or balsam polar is dunnage, trailer decking, or barn wood.  Folks like it for trailer decking because it tends to not develop a polished surface over time, thus retaining good traction as it wears.  I'll be using it to build a freight sled, essentially a honking big pallet on runners.  The remainder I will probably mill up for interior siding.  At this stage in my sawmilling career I would take any log I can get my mitts on, just to see how different woods react on the sawmill.
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Post by: ChugiakTinkerer on September 28, 2016, 01:20:35 PM
Forgot to mention, of the four cottonwood trees I had cut down, the largest one had tiny spots of dark rot at its core.  My understanding of cottonwood is that they grow fast and start to rot as they mature.  A tree that size may have a considerable amount of rot.
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Post by: rjwoelk on September 28, 2016, 02:02:31 PM
Black poplar was used for barn stall floors the manure did not destroy it. Was used alot here I  the prairies.
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Post by: 4x4American on September 28, 2016, 08:24:47 PM
x4 looks like cottonwood from my house.  Around here it's just about good for nothing.  We also have what we call popple, which is a hybrid of cottonwood and aspen.  You can't give that stuff away.  Even though the pallet guys take "mixed hardwood"  they won't take popple.  There is a plywood place that buys popple though.  And I've heard of guys using it for trim.  I cut some to make ramps for a truck shop to drive trucks up on.
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Post by: Brucer on September 29, 2016, 01:23:32 AM
The only thing I've sawn from the Poplar family is Trembling Aspen (which isn't what you've got in that picture). Two things I learned in a hurry -- it moves a lot when you saw out the stresses, and it moves a lot as it dries (although you can restrain it with weight while it's drying).

I did some flooring for one woman who was thrilled when she found the log had a very dark centre. She had great plans for making patterns with the sound white exterior wood and the nearly-decayed interior.

I also met a guy who had some clear Aspen milled up to make a wood ceiling in his living room. The wood was very white and looked very good -- kept the room light, but a real contrast to drywall (aka sheetrock).
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Post by: Chop Shop on September 29, 2016, 01:45:43 AM
We call cottonwood "pooplar" at my place.  Smells like, well,,,,,,
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 09, 2016, 09:47:57 PM
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Customer decided he wanted lumber instead.

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OK this monster is going to be work!

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OK now things are getting serious!  The log didn't move, the mill did.  Gotta reset the mill, roll the log with the trackhoe and try again.

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Reset, trackhoe rolled log over, and I bucked off a horn, then lifted the log onto the mill using a chain to help it along

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Got it onto the mill but barely milled off one pass before having to have the trackhoe lift it off the mill, roll it 90 degrees, then I cut off another horn with my rebuilt new saw and we placed it back onto the mill.

Finally, at this point I was able to take narrow pass after narrow pass slowly whittling my way down to something I could actually mill.  This required at least two hours of rolling, cutting, getting out the chainsaw to whittle enough of the log away to get the rollers past and then rotating again.

Finally I got down to something closer to 32" and began taking better passes and squaring up a cant....and then I hit nails....and we pulled them and I hit more...and we pulled them....3 bands later and I was milling 2x6's 3 at a time (this stuff is not as hard to mill as Fir or Pine! ha!).....

At the end of the day I'd milled up over 400bf of polar and was squaring up flitches when, yup, you guessed it, I hit nails!!!! Grrrrrr

Four bands later and I'd done roughly 470bf of lumber in 6 hours.  Though, many of those hours were not actually milling.
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Post by: larrydown60 on October 09, 2016, 11:47:09 PM
Not to get off topic this was the biggest cotton wood tree I have see It fell on my favorite dinner I took pics of the stump is 6'-8' wide
The tree  was around 6'-8' round and 90 feet tall

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Post by: GAB on October 10, 2016, 09:13:43 AM
Referring to the third picture - I personally would not be wrapping a chain around a polished piston rod, unless it was a life and death situation. 
Gerald
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 10, 2016, 09:54:21 AM
Quote from: GAB on October 10, 2016, 09:13:43 AM
Referring to the third picture - I personally would not be wrapping a chain around a polished piston rod, unless it was a life and death situation. 
Gerald

I often wonder about that myself.  Need to find out how MM does it???
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Post by: Weekend_Sawyer on October 10, 2016, 09:57:08 AM
Quote from: GAB on October 10, 2016, 09:13:43 AM
Referring to the third picture - I personally would not be wrapping a chain around a polished piston rod, unless it was a life and death situation. 
Gerald

and I certainly would remove it before sawing...  ;D
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 10, 2016, 10:01:10 AM
larrydown60 -- this stump was over 7 feet across!!!

and yes, chain removed before milling lol....that would SUCK
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Post by: Magicman on October 10, 2016, 05:47:33 PM
QuoteI often wonder about that myself.  Need to find out how MM does it?
Lower the clamp all of the way down and use a grade 43 chain, not a grade 70.  You will not be wrapping around the portion that goes through the bushing anyway.  I use a ¼" grade 43 chain, and the load has never stretched or broken the chain or marked the rod in any way.

The large polished rod is just that, a polished rod, and the smaller piston rod is behind during this log adjusting.
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 19, 2016, 09:17:41 AM
 

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Still waiting to hear back on this possible job.  Wood looks a little punky in places and checked pretty badly in some logs.



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I'm thinking there will be some very good blue stain in their and certainly some decent lumber for barn build etc



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Customer thinks she has around 100 logs, all burned in the fire a year ago but possibly two years ago (by the look I'd say two but I could be wrong).



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Apperntly she sent a lot of logs to a sawmill but these were all left over (not sure what the story there is)

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Her neighbor who works as a fire lookout guy for the US Forest Service (or something like that) told her about me.  No idea who he is or how he learned about my service but I'm glad he did :)

Not sure if I am doing this one yet or not but she wants it done before the snow flies and that's darn near now!  So, I told her the first weekend of November (I'm milled pretty much every month of the year except maybe December but don't prefer to mill in the snow and rain if I can help it, nor the extreme cold)......If I get this one it will be the icing on the cake for a very good year :)  (a good year for me, as a part time sawyer isn't the same as a good year for you guys that live off your mills but it does mean the mill paid for itself in spades for the year) :D
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Post by: Magicman on October 19, 2016, 09:31:20 AM
I too consider myself a part-time sawyer and I appreciate your joy of having a good sawing year.  Congratulations!!! 
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 19, 2016, 01:38:04 PM
Correction (of sorts) -- the mill 'paid for itself' in that it supports itself and any bills or payments that need to be made in order to have it but it's not 'paid for' just yet.  I expect that to be final around April of next year (which will be just over a year since I bought it).

But all in all, I'm pretty happy :)

Thanks MM for your kind words....how does one mill over 1 MILLION board feet part time??  LOL
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Post by: Magicman on October 19, 2016, 01:58:38 PM
I also paid mine off the first year of sawing.

I have only been part-time since I "retired", but I have no intentions of quitting.  Now, if I saw 2-3 days every 2-3 weeks, I am OK, but for some reason, I still look forward to road trips. 
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Post by: paul case on October 19, 2016, 06:02:08 PM
I paid off sarge's mill last Monday.

Well I had a mill I sold and my calves paid about 1/4 of it.

Just bought it back in Feb.

I have really enjoyed this thread. I look for it every time I am here. I am glad to see the new mill is working out well for you and it is good to see your progress. Good on ya.

PC
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Post by: Magicman on October 19, 2016, 07:55:07 PM
Well congrats to you PC.  You getting that sawmill was just the right thing to do.   smiley_thumbsup
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Post by: customsawyer on October 22, 2016, 04:18:40 AM
Great progress OldJarhead.
On the belt thing between MM and 4x4 the main difference I have been able to figure out as to why MM doesn't get the sawdust under his belts is that his mill is old enough not to have the ceramic (or what ever they are now) guides in front of his roller. I think these extra guides deflect the sawdust a little different and it gets under the belt. The absolute worst wood I have ever sawed for getting dust under the belt is dead SYP. Which happens to be what MM cuts the most. Keep in mind that I have no proof of any of this it is just years of trying to figure out why MM doesn't have any trouble with dust under his belts. Especially when he mostly cuts one of the worst woods for it.
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Post by: Magicman on October 22, 2016, 07:58:57 AM
I dunno either because beetle killed SYP is my mainstay.  I read the reports of sawdust under the belts and wonder.   smiley_headscratch  Sawed it yesterday and will be sawing it again today.

For some reason I read the hype and tried the orange tight belts once.  Maybe I did not install them correctly, but they vibrated and I pulled them off and the B57's returned and will stay.  No, I do not have the ceramic thingies.
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Post by: pineywoods on October 22, 2016, 09:26:25 AM
I don't saw nearly as much as Magidman, but mine is also mostly dead syp. I have almost zero sawdust under the b57's. One thing I have noticed is when it does happen, the exit chute is plugged, usually with a big chunk of bark. I have a sawdust blower so that may confuse things a bit...
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Post by: paul case on October 22, 2016, 09:38:21 AM
We get sawdust build up under the belts from time to time as well. Makes the mill sound terrible and vibrate. There will be a lump on the drive belt and it is always on one of the balance holes and so hard packed that it takes a screwdriver or utility knife to get it out. we  (almost) never saw pine. Lots of oak though. It is usually when seasons change to fall and it quits giving us trouble early in the spring. I have noticed that we dont have any issues with it when sawing dead or cut for a long period of time logs.

It is a pain in the rear.

PC
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on October 22, 2016, 11:02:34 AM
I took the ceramic pads off my mill about a year and a half ago (only the rollers running now) but had been running the B56 on the drive side for a couple of years by then any way. The lumps were a continual PITA day in day out but It is all good now in the timber I generally cut about a 1/3 of which his jack pine.

It aint broke so there is nothing to fix and that is how we probably all treat this potential issue.
   
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Post by: Magicman on October 22, 2016, 03:32:42 PM
I took a picture of the underside of my B57 when I removed the blade this morning.


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Yes, there are some small embedded particles as always, but no buildup that would cause any problems or even be noticeable.  The actual wheels and balance holes are always clean/clear.
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Post by: customsawyer on October 22, 2016, 06:22:17 PM
It don't build up on the belt but packs in the groove of the wheel
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Post by: Magicman on October 22, 2016, 07:13:17 PM
I dunno,  smiley_headscratch  just that I have never had to dig sawdust out of the bandwheels and I always run loose B57 belts on both the drive and driven bandwheels.
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Post by: customsawyer on October 23, 2016, 09:34:11 AM
I don't know either. The only difference I've been able to come up with is extra guides in front of the rollers.
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Post by: drobertson on October 23, 2016, 09:45:35 AM
Sounds to me like the dust issue under the belt almost has to be caused by several factors, rooster tail pattern, dust volume and some sort blockage, I've seen some before, but never close to packed full.
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Post by: OlJarhead on November 02, 2016, 08:23:30 AM
Sometimes the 'negotiation' on a job seems to take longer than doing the job ;)  The latest potential job (pics posted earlier) turns out to be about 110 logs in two piles.  One pile roughly scales out at 4000bf (I took what looked like the average of around 9"DIA SE and used it for the pile) and another pile a quarter mile away scales around the same with 34 logs.  Customer has a cut list of only 2400-2700bf but needs some 12" stuff which can only be found in the smaller pile where there are at least 3 if not 4 logs big enough to produce 12" cants.

Anyway, she sounds like she may want to get going but I'm not certain they have off-bearers and I don't normally work alone.  I find this makes quoting the job tough because I give an estimate (and make darn sure they understand it is an estimate only) based on having help and not having to move logs from 30 feet away once I'm deep into the pile etc etc.

We'll see but if she wants to do this before the snow flies I'd have to start Sat....which brings me to problem number two:  my bands need to get shipped off but I coldn't find a shipping label so I'll have to go to FedEx and just send them in and they won't be back in time of course.  That leaves me 2 BiMetals, 11 Double Hards and two Turbo 7's....which experience tells me is just barely enough to do this job.....but 28 bands isn't enough to run on (that's what I have today) so if I am going to do this one I'll just order 15 more double hards and have them shipped to me right away so I'll have them before needing them ;)

We shall see though, as I'm in the waiting stage to see if the customer is willing to foot the bill.

Oh and one more thing:  instead of requiring Perdiem for this job I decided to make the customer pay for me to commute the 70 miles each way.  We'll see what happens.
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on November 02, 2016, 10:49:53 AM
Sounds like decent job to me Erik. $100 hourly would cover all the issues you express as possible.

What you need is your own sharpening equipment.

For me that would be a max of 2 days of sawing plus driving time, and 3 bands sharpened once, with likely 2 used the second day. With the bimetals it should be just over a day and a half with 4 bands or 2 bands sharpened once to get it done.

the sharpening gear pays for it self fast. Plus my sharpening is better than Resharp so I get more BF per cycle.

Dont get me wrong! Resharp does a good job but they don't know my mill inside out and don't see what see when I am cutting so they cant tweak to address the little issues that turn into signifigant productivity advantages in term of BF per sharp cycle and cut quality.

The learning curve was steep and I used break every single band between 3 & 5 sharp cycles.
Now I break maybe 2 in 10 and that is generally after the 6th sharp cycle. The rest go to where I can't sharpen them any more which tends to be 6 to 8 depending on what they have been cutting.

I think I can safely say my sharpening gear makes me money and paid for itself in less than 2 years. Probably about a year and a half.     
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 02, 2016, 12:23:18 PM
I am always amazed at how much you get out of one band!   :o  I've yet to see more than 4 hours of milling off even the BiMetals (ok maybe a little more) and always run through about two of those in a day of milling even if I only mill up 1000bf that day.  Perhaps it's the condition of the logs I mill as they are often pretty dirty.

My Double Hards usually go about 2-3 hours before I see noticeable changes in the cut and start to change them out.  Often by then they are gumming up pretty badly with pitch as I mill a lot of Ponderosa and Doug Fir
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: simonlow on November 02, 2016, 01:36:20 PM
Hi, pitch build up can make a blade seem dull.I cut a lot of very fresh Douglas  (max one week),its the only time I've had pitch build up in the wheel grooves,the sap is so liquid it gets everywhere then 'sets'. Three weeks later it starts to stick to the blade,and I start thinking of a Lubemizer upgrade, or similar mod!

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Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on November 02, 2016, 02:13:26 PM
maybe my lube mix is doing better job than I thought. It is rare to see any build up on my bands at all lately. The recipe is on the forum some where.

I typically run between 1500 and 2000 BF per sharp cycle.

I do know that the bands I sharpen typically give me 500BF more than a new bands fresh out of the WM box. That why I normally sharpen and reset ALL my new bands before I use them the first time. I set from 030 to 033. Don't know if that is the difference but it works for me.

Also run my band pressure 3000 psi on my guage.   

Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 02, 2016, 04:55:17 PM
I keep my bands around 300psi (280-300 recommended) and use pine-sol and dish liquid in my water lube.

My bands can get pretty well caked in a few hours if the wood is wet
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 02, 2016, 08:18:32 PM
 

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Some pics on what should be my next job (just trying to set a date now).  Logs aren't in the best deck or location but look to have some good lumber in them still despite being on the ground a year.  Average size on the smaller log deck (smaller logs but more of them) is about 9", the log deck with the larger logs has some big ones in there (26 1/2" on one of them anyway and 2 or 3 others in that range)...

Will be a mix of logs for sure and no fun trying to get the mill set up beside them (no tractor to work the site) but I'm sure I'll figure something out.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: ncsawyer on November 02, 2016, 09:32:49 PM
Looks like a good job.  I would certainly want my tractor there to help out moving logs, slabs, stacks of lumber etc. 

If they didn't have one, mine would show up on site along with an "up charge" on the bill for "additional equipment". 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on November 03, 2016, 09:13:12 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on November 02, 2016, 04:55:17 PMMy bands can get pretty well caked in a few hours if the wood is wet
Any buildup whatsoever on the blade is unacceptable. 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 03, 2016, 03:10:02 PM
Quote from: Magicman on November 03, 2016, 09:13:12 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on November 02, 2016, 04:55:17 PMMy bands can get pretty well caked in a few hours if the wood is wet
Any buildup whatsoever on the blade is unacceptable.

Hence my changing them as soon as I see it's going on....not sure what else I can do.  Even pouring the water to them doesn't stop it.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 03, 2016, 03:11:28 PM
Latest potential customer asked for references (first time for that) so I gave her one and he gave me a 'rave review' (her words).  She asked if I could start Monday provided she gets the laborers (I've asked for 2 -- 1 at a bare min).

With luck I'll start Monday and get this one done in 5 days (doubt it will be less but who knows).
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on November 03, 2016, 06:51:44 PM
As you feed in the pile and the logs get farther away , Do you put down two lines of slabs from the logs to the loader?
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 03, 2016, 09:42:43 PM
Yes.  If there are no runners under the logs (my preference but land owners who've never had a mobile mill before don't often do that) then I put slab cuts down to roll the logs onto.  In the case of this job I should have two laborers and I will have them do it and keep the logs rolled up to the mill at all times.  I don't want to waste time walking half a mile for the next log! ha!

Got word of another potential customer just now.   one that will be looking at the spring which is just right ;)  I would love to line up work a few months out :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on November 03, 2016, 09:48:43 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on November 03, 2016, 03:10:02 PMHence my changing them as soon as I see it's going on....not sure what else I can do.  Even pouring the water to them doesn't stop it.
I have never sawn your log species, but I would be changing/trying something.  When my blades get dull they are still clean.  No buildup.
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 03, 2016, 10:32:45 PM
Quote from: Magicman on November 03, 2016, 09:48:43 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on November 03, 2016, 03:10:02 PMHence my changing them as soon as I see it's going on....not sure what else I can do.  Even pouring the water to them doesn't stop it.
I have never sawn your log species, but I would be changing/trying something.  When my blades get dull they are still clean.  No buildup.

MM,

    I have a lot of sap buildup when sawing white pine. I replaced 3 blades completely coated in sap even though I was running the lube with dish soap (Wal Mart brand I think) in it. I took these crusty blades and put them on the mill when cutting ash, squirted ATF along a foot or so of the blade between the roller guides and starting cutting. The bands cut like new and cleaned up the blades 95% I'd bet. And I have historically had sap build up on my blades when cutting ash. I am going to be more diligent about the ATF on the blade for a while to confirm this is the reason the sap is gone. I haven't tried the diesel wipe yet but may in the future if I continue to get build up.

Eric,

   You may try the ATF if you aren't and see if you get similar results on your species.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 04, 2016, 08:53:03 AM
I'm scratching my head here a little.  It seems the bands don't last THAT long...on my LT10 they said 200 board feet or so and I think I heard somewhere from WM that the larger/longer bands can go 400-500bf or more....but I can't imagine milling all day on one band.

Only way I've milled in the 400-500bf/hr range is when milling big logs (24" dia se 16+ footers) and most of the time I'm milling in the 10-12" range (even 8-10") which in my mind dulls the band faster.  Why?  More bark.  On a 10" log you're in the bark for a shorter length of time (milling faster) but doing 3 or 4 logs in an hour (vs one)...so hitting more dirt (despite the debarker) than milling big wood.

I'm wondering if this isn't why I'm getting a half day (4 hours) out of my BiMetals (maybe I've done a little longer but not much)....and often closer to two hours on my Double Hards.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Ljohnsaw on November 04, 2016, 09:40:10 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on November 04, 2016, 08:53:03 AM
I'm scratching my head here a little.  It seems the bands don't last THAT long...on my LT10 they said 200 board feet or so and I think I heard somewhere from WM that the larger/longer bands can go 400-500bf or more....but I can't imagine milling all day on one band.

Shoot, I cut pine for 3 or 4 days on a band...  But I'm cutting form or scaffolding boards on my manual mill so quality is not a prime concern! :D  And that was probably 800-1000 BF, so about 250BF a DAY. :D  I've cut some white and red pine (both fresh and dead) and haven't seen (knock on wood) any buildup without lube.  Same with the Incense Cedar.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on November 04, 2016, 10:07:32 AM
If all I cut was 600 BF per sharp cycle I'd be putting a fresh band on every 1.5 to 2 hours. AND at times in some conditions that does happen. In a normal day of 10 ish hours I end up with the 3rd band going on to finish that last log about 50% of the time and that band often makes less than 6 passes to finish said log so it starts the next day. My average day is most often 3200 BF +/- 400.

FYI bimetals let me cut with the speed dial set between Noon and 1PM ish. The double hards run at 11 AM to noonish.

On a LT 70 you couldn't even get an hour out of a single band and there is no way you could get the BF/Hr WM says the 70 is capable of because you'd be changing bands a 1/3 of the time 

BUT if that were the case I would sell the mill and forget it. The biggest cost in running the mill is new bands and sharpening.
       
I can say keeping the de-barker in good working condition is a major factor in this regard. I did operate about 3 hours once where I didnt notice that the alignment had been screwed up by landing the debarker on the top of a log so that the groove was getting cut above the band path and doing no good at all and that cost me a band cycle at least. 

Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 04, 2016, 12:34:17 PM
Perhaps the lower powered mills abuse the blades more?  Though I think Bandits is a 28G so only a little more than my 26.

I usually run about 2-3 hours on a double hard and 4 with a bimetal.

Luckily my bimetals arrive back today! :D  8) so if I do this job next week I'll be set with 10 of them :)  That's 5 days of milling for me.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Carson-saws on November 04, 2016, 04:56:34 PM
OlJarhead....it is really great hearing about and watching the success and progression of you skills and knowledge.  Very impressive Sir.  Looks like quite a stack-o-logs you have there. That ever present pitch problem.  I personally do not have a good answer but I will say ...be it right or wrong...I have not cut nearly as much "pitch providing" logs as you have and are, but I do not understand how quickly you change the blade.  Do you have trouble on your head tracks with the build up? I thought there was a mixture that could be used in your water feed that helped to lessen the build up.  Either way...keep up the great work and keep havin fun.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 04, 2016, 06:50:34 PM
I change the bands as soon as I think they are getting dull.  Usually I see a rougher cut or a little wavy cutting.

I run the DH's around 12 o'clock in pin and fire unless they are wide logs then I slow down as much as it takes to keep a straight cut.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on November 04, 2016, 08:04:24 PM
One thing I need to mention to be fair is that I have been cutting a lot more large dimension lumber this year.

I just finished a nice job that gave a yield of 3628 BF BUT just over 2900 of that was 2 5/8, 3 1/8, 3 5/8, and 4 1/8 on the simple set settings by 8, 10, 12 wide and 8' 10' 12' long.

This factor is significant because it means I probably make 30 to 40 % fewer passes per log.

Erik it sound like you and I cut very much alike BUT you are making more passes per log most of time I think.
 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 04, 2016, 10:14:54 PM
I'm thinking so ;)  I cut a lot of 1" stuff for customers and a lot of dimensional (1/8 over) or on the evens....so more cuts per log.

Got my resharp bands back tonight :)  8) I think it was a 3 day turn around too!  :o
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Brucer on November 05, 2016, 12:35:47 AM
In theory dirt on the inboard side of the bark doesn't matter because the tooth blows the bark out ahead of it (same as when bucking dirty logs with a chainsaw). But if the "dirt" is thick, or muddy (or frozen!!) there will be more dulling than usual on the outboard side.

Check the height of your debarker very carefully. The groove it cuts is wider than the kerf, and you want the bottom of the kerf to be barely above the bottom of the debarker groove. When the kerf is high in the groove the blade has to cut through more bark at the top of the cut. This increases the chances of encountering dirt.

I always check the height of my debarker by stopping the saw part way through the cut and examining where the saw kerf is in the debarker groove.

Woods like Douglas-Fir, Western Larch, and Ponderosa Pine have very thick grooved bark (at least in the larger diameters) and this can really trap dirt.

The debarker usually won't cut beneath the surface of sound wood, so if the bark is off the log and the log is dirty, you're going to wear the blade quickly. I keep a steel wire brush (welding brush or barbecue cleaning brush) handy for cleaning dirt of bare log surfaces.

Dirt on the end of the log can do you in very quickly. If you can't avoid it, get the blade in there quickly. I use the wire brush on log ends as well.

Finally, if the far end of the log is cut at an angle and is dirty, at some point your blade will be cutting into the surface and dulling your blade.

If I'm faced with a lot of dirty log ends and I've got extra length, I'll chainsaw half an inch or so off each end of the logs.

I also notice a lot of small diameter logs in your photos. Not nearly as many BF per saw pass through the bark.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 05, 2016, 09:02:48 AM
Re: small logs. 

Yup.  My biggest job to date was 9000 board feet out of 8 to 10 inch diameter logs (mostly fir) and this next one is about 75% small diameter stuff that was burned in the fire....I can mill a 500bf fir or pine without worrying about the band and keep going afterwards...but might only get 7 or 8 50bf logs on a DH band or perhaps a dozen on a BiMetal.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 22, 2016, 08:26:27 AM
Well shoot!  I was all set to start my last big job of the year this Friday (day after Thanksgiving) however it looks like it will likely be put off till spring now as we're expecting up to a foot of snow on Friday.  The drive in is a bit treacherous and I could still pull the mill in and wait for the snow to clear but I'd hate to pull it in and then have to sit on it until the the weather clears and perhaps have to chain up the mill and truck in order to get out.  At times the road in is very narrow and windy with a steel drop on one side.  Basically a one lane dirt mountain road you don't want to be on if it's snowing heavily.  Forecast says:

QuoteWednesday Night
Snow, mainly after 4am. Low around 29. South wind around 7 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New snow accumulation of less than one inch possible.
Thanksgiving Day
Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. High near 36. Southeast wind 9 to 13 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 3 to 7 inches possible.
Thursday Night
Snow. Low around 31. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches possible.
Friday
Rain and snow. High near 39. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New snow accumulation of less than a half inch possible.
Friday Night
Snow likely. Cloudy, with a low around 31. Chance of precipitation is 70%.
Saturday
A 40 percent chance of snow showers. Cloudy, with a high near 36.
Saturday Night
A 40 percent chance of snow showers. Cloudy, with a low around 22.
Sunday
A 30 percent chance of snow showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 33.
Sunday Night
Snow showers likely. Cloudy, with a low around 28. Chance of precipitation is 60%.
Monday
A 30 percent chance of snow showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 34.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on November 22, 2016, 09:13:02 AM
Your call, but sometimes it best to know when to throw in the towel.  You can't push a rope.   :-\
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 22, 2016, 10:40:34 AM
I've milled in the snow many times though I prefer not to.  However, for me, the real issue is getting in and out of the site safely and I think this is one of those cases where discretion is the better part of valor ;)

I've suggested to the customer we wait until the sky's clear or the spring.  If, however, they plow the road and keep it clear and the site is cleared up a bit we can mill as long as the weather isn't too nasty.

Coldest I've milled in is 10F and while I don't mind that too much I only prefer to do so if the sun is shining ;)  If it's in the 20's and snowing it's just not worth it and safety can become a real issue.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Kbeitz on November 22, 2016, 12:59:48 PM
Quote from: Magicman on November 22, 2016, 09:13:02 AM
Your call, but sometimes it best to know when to throw in the towel.  You can't push a rope.   :-\

It's been done...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZostccJHcg

Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: scleigh on November 22, 2016, 01:59:39 PM
Not worth it, stay home and enjoy the holiday
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: 4x4American on November 22, 2016, 07:35:56 PM
Does chaining up the mill help it track better?  I've never really thought to chain up a trailer.  Just curious!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 22, 2016, 10:13:27 PM
Quote from: 4x4American on November 22, 2016, 07:35:56 PM
Does chaining up the mill help it track better?  I've never really thought to chain up a trailer.  Just curious!

It can.  However I've trailered my old mill (the SM-LT10) down my 3 mile driveway in the ice and snow and it stayed behind the truck just fine though it was a lot lighter than the LT40HD. 
https://youtu.be/aRIQnHLiwII
This is a vid of the last section of our road and the section that generally most worries me because it's long and steep and if you are going to slide it's going to be here if anywhere...and sliding here means damage!  The video doesn't do justice to just how steep this is either but trust me when I say it's very steep....you even get to see the SMLT10 in the mirror (just barely) as it tracks down behind the truck.

Oh and I'm running 4 ice chains on the truck so it aint going no where ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: 4x4American on November 22, 2016, 10:22:02 PM
Nice.  I got to thinking, having electric brakes, maybe they could help grab when you're braking. 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 22, 2016, 10:25:16 PM
Quote from: 4x4American on November 22, 2016, 10:22:02 PM
Nice.  I got to thinking, having electric brakes, maybe they could help grab when you're braking.

Yup, they should and the chains will keep it from slipping and sliding.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on November 23, 2016, 05:57:36 AM
When I did that[ Job to Job] It was the salt I did not like. In fact the mill did not go till the roads were dry. ;D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 23, 2016, 07:58:20 AM
No salt here (they use some kind of eco friendly -- or so they think - ice melt) but I don't like pulling the mill if there is a chance of ice or snow on the road!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: terrifictimbersllc on November 23, 2016, 08:17:21 AM
Quote from: 4x4American on November 22, 2016, 07:35:56 PM
Does chaining up the mill help it track better?  I've never really thought to chain up a trailer.  Just curious!
Chain it to a tree and give your wife the key for the winter.  :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: 4x4American on November 27, 2016, 08:57:44 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on November 23, 2016, 07:58:20 AM
No salt here (they use some kind of eco friendly -- or so they think - ice melt) but I don't like pulling the mill if there is a chance of ice or snow on the road!


Whats not eco friendly about rock salt?  Doesn't it come from the earth??  Does the ice melt stuff rust/rot out vehicles? If it don't, I wish they'd use that here in NYS!  But they like our vehicles to rot out so DOT can make $ writing tickets, their friends the automobile companies can sell more vehicles, and it's cheaper off the bat so more$ for them...
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 27, 2016, 10:04:16 PM
I am out milling :)

Pulled the mill into the customers location yesterday as there was no snow and got started today at 7:30am.  Milled until 4pm so I could pack up before dark (it gets dark by 4:30) and will post a few pics soon.

So far so good and though it's cool (40's) it was a good day.  Couple good helpers which makes a big difference!

Not sure what my total was today since I didn't do a count before leaving (or get pics of the finish for the day) but think I had over 1000bf by noon so was happy with that :)

If the weather holds I'll get this last big job done for the year and I'm pretty stoked about that as it's going to be winter up here any day now and that means no more pulling the mill into remote locations! (or anywhere for that matter if the roads aren't clear).
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 27, 2016, 10:28:50 PM
 

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Few pics I took around noon today :)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 28, 2016, 11:34:47 PM
 

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Made the mistake of leaving the band on overnight (doh!)I had backed off the pressure but it was a new band and I was lazy...I didn't make that mistake tonight and removed it and cleaned out the rollers as one had frozen on me and I had to get it worked free this morning.

I did make one mistake though!  I forgot to blow out the water lube/vavle!!!  DOH!  I'm using a mix with windshield washer fluid though so am hoping it will be fine though I'm mixing -10f washer fluid with water and pinesol (and soap) so it's not going to be that freeze proof -- maybe good to 0F or 5F but that's ok I think since it won't get that cold.

I am having issues with my water lube though and may have to blow it out with the compressor tomorrow as half the time it's not flowing well and the band is getting gummed up.

So far 2900bf down though half that (nearly) is 1x6x16's which slow me down some.  I'm only averaging 200bf/hr but was over 300 in the afternoon once I got into 2x's.

So far so good, let's hope the weather holds!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: 4x4American on November 28, 2016, 11:53:27 PM
beautiful pictures.  I drilled out the nozzles on my lube as per the pine mans suggestion, works way better.  Another thing that works good is to add more pinesol.  Alot more. 
I might have 2 gallons of pinesol in a mixture in bad enough stuff.  Shoot, run straight pinesol if you gotta!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on November 29, 2016, 05:54:16 AM
I don't like for my mill to get wet and freeze.


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I use air 150 psi to clean the mill off then cover.
I use straight washer fluid,  The -20 stuff. In the summer just water. I don't use a witches brew.  ;D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: thecfarm on November 29, 2016, 06:14:56 AM
I really like that first picture. Everything is kinda dark and gloomy than the sawmill and sawdust is nice and bright.  ;D
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on November 29, 2016, 10:19:01 AM
Hey Eric

O'Reilly Auto Parts has the wind shield washer solvent in 5 gallon buckets at $59.99 in stock in Wenatchee.

Making your blade lube fluid is a LOT cheaper that way and you can mix to the weather. The Moses Lake store would likely get it in if they don't have it. It is a Gunk Product # M5-40.

There are a few manufactures down there and looks like you can get it cheaper than that too. You just have to Google windshield washer solvent concentrate or something like that and you will find all you need.

Some have a version of super bug eraser concentrate available as well. Look for one that has a citrus and and pine type ingredient. if you cant find one that has both get the pine one and add a citrus concentrate to it when you mix. I have yet to find any thing that beats the mix I make. The one I use is very GREEN friendly. I did check  it and it can ship state side with out issue. Ill get info and post here with a picture.   

I keep a 16 oz spray bottle of 50/50 mix in the truck when I am milling in freezing weather and spray the band and rollers real good after I blow off the mill at the end of the day. Have not had any freezing issues since I been doing that     

Looks like most of the O'Reilly store in the frozen States carry it or can get it with in 24 hours.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on November 29, 2016, 06:28:42 PM
So Bandmill, Dose your mill smell like oranges when you cut Pine? ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: 4x4American on November 29, 2016, 07:18:40 PM
BB how many gal of warsher fluid do you get out of the concentrate?  I tried ordering the "concentrate" from my local Napa one time, and for $30 they gave me a little 120z sized squirt bottle that supposedly could make like 100 gal of washer fluid or something.  Well once I got back and was looking at it, it was some scammer company from Florida.  It said "Summer Blend" in tiny writing, and was just soap, had nothing to stop freezing.  I was ticked off, but both Napa and the guy selling it wouldn't take it back because I had broke the seal on it.  I just bought a 55 gal drum of -20 warsher fluid from Carquest for $120 the other day, so if there's a cheaper alternative, I'd like to know!
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on November 29, 2016, 07:43:53 PM
Last 5 Gal pail I bought was $44.99 CND. At 50/50 for Minus 40* it mixes out to to 10 gallons, BUT I rarely mix for temps that low. I generally mix to a -20/25 range (1 solvent to 2 water i think) and find that the stuff doesn't really freeze even @ -40 just sorta gels. Dump an extra quart or so at start of day BEFORE you open the valve when its real cold and in about 10 ish minutes you're good to go. Also undo the hose at the end of day and dump an oz or 2 in the tube till it runs out the nozzles.

I think most of the  members that need to mix could likely mix 1 solvent to 3 or even 4 water and be fine so you'd get about 20 to 25 gal of mixed product.

I dont fill my big tank more than about half full in the winter unless I will be sawing for a few days straight. As a rule I saw for almost 2 days on full tank. Its a 34 litre (almost 9 US gal) tank.

Peter
IF I am sawing pine, I smell pine. If I am sawing other species its sort of a mix of smells.

PS you should be able to find it for around $35 a pail or less. If you buy a drum it should = to near $20 for a pail or less. If you can find a manufacturer you can get it whole sale as a rule.



   
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 29, 2016, 09:55:06 PM
Had my best production day yet today! 8) with 397bf/hr :D  As I milled up 2187bf in 5.5hrs :D

All in all it was a great day despite having to blow out the water lube to get it working and then having the valve on the tank cuase me problems later in the day -- right about the time I realized I was mixing my washer fluid to water ratio too low!!  That 19F weather at the start of the day and highs in the 30's will make you ponder that one once or twice ;)  Also milled a bunch of 1x4's out of stickers (pain) which cost me milling time and I was running more like 450-500bf/hr until I hit a snag with an unruly log that didn't want to square up right for me for some reason so I utilized the STP rule:  stop, thing and pee.  Seemed to work as I got back to log, squared it and went gang busters again :)

My two helpers were great young bucks that really got it down and were hauling 2x12's off the mill almost fast enough for me to never slow down -- they stopped me a few times but that's ok -- and since they are both certified state fallers and fire fighters (forest) I let them do the delimbing and bucking with my big saw (the new one I rebuilt) so that meant I kept milling.

Finished up the first batch of logs and came out with 5250 board feet.

Only drawback with all that lumber is the customer is scratching her head and wondering if maybe she bit off more than she could chew so she may decide to not mill the next 4000bf or so.  That's ok though, I'll drag the mill off the mountain and maybe, just maybe, pout it away for the winter......but there is this one job ;)  :o :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 29, 2016, 10:06:42 PM
 

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Few more pics of the day :)  Not much time to take pics as I was milling to get the job done!  Really had a good day despite the very cold start to it :)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on November 29, 2016, 10:11:32 PM
Hey you are doing real good. good help makes all the difference in the world.

DO the mods I have done and you will add 100 + BF to your average.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 29, 2016, 11:35:57 PM
Quote from: Bandmill Bandit on November 29, 2016, 10:11:32 PM
Hey you are doing real good. good help makes all the difference in the world.

DO the mods I have done and you will add 100 + BF to your average.

lol one day!  One day!  First I have to pay for the mill ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Weekend_Sawyer on November 30, 2016, 07:11:05 AM

Besides this thread, are you keeping a log? I'd like to know your progress towards the million board feet award.
At this rate you'll be there in no time!

or does this thread count as a log?
Jon
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 30, 2016, 08:15:50 AM
   I keep a history log of every time I saw with the number and type logs, lumber type/size cut, engine hours and bf output. This lets me keep up with my total bf cut, species, and average bf/hr. I sure won't get to any million bf mark as quickly as Eric is as I usually end up cutting much smaller, hardwood logs made into 4/4 lumber instead of the big pines/fire like he and MM make into framing type lumber but I'll keep plodding along and enjoy reading about the success of other FF members.
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Post by: paul case on November 30, 2016, 08:25:50 AM
STP method?

I never heard it called that but I use it from time to time..

Glad to hear of your progress. Kinda funny how when you have a real good sawing day the first thing that comes to mind is how much trouble you had. I think even though it could have been better ........... That was a good day.(I had to stp about what to say next)

PC
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on November 30, 2016, 08:42:42 AM
Congrats Erik and thanks for documenting your sawmilling journey.  I am sure that many potential sawyers are watching your business model.  Their customer base, etc. will be different, but your success proves that you must be willing to adjust, learn, and have a "never quit" attitude.  I admire yours.   smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on November 30, 2016, 06:31:57 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on November 29, 2016, 11:35:57 PM
Quote from: Bandmill Bandit on November 29, 2016, 10:11:32 PM
Hey you are doing real good. good help makes all the difference in the world.

DO the mods I have done and you will add 100 + BF to your average.

lol one day!  One day!  First I have to pay for the mill ;)

Yup that is exactly what I did.

AND keep a log for sure. I am over the million board feet but I didnt keep a log book so have no way to show it.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Seavee on November 30, 2016, 07:39:35 PM
I can remember your deliberations on getting the bigger mill. I'll bet there is no looking back for you now. Keep it up,  I always like to follow your thread on your progress.
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Post by: OlJarhead on November 30, 2016, 10:38:23 PM
Thanks all!

Log:  Yes, sort of.  I keep a tally of all lumber produced on all jobs However I quit counting how many logs I've milled since logs turn into board footage of lumber and that's what matters to me and the customer the most ;)

Thanks again. MM and others for your kind words.  It's been a journey!  AND NO LOOKING BACK! :D  I am SO glad I bought the bigger mill I wonder now why I'd ever considered anything less (though I know the answer to that since it's the same reason I don't have an L70 -- yet) ;(

The good news is that my customer messaged me that she wanted to mill the rest of the logs at least as many as I could get by Friday evening....I milled about 1/3 of them today in about 6 hours! :D

The better news is that she came by this afternoon and told me I milled for a friend of hers and then proceeded to tell me the friend gave her the thumbs up when she learned I was milling for her (my current customer)....that was a customer from about 4 years ago on the SMLT10 :D  Nice to know they are still very happy and I hear they will be getting together soon at the old customers house to show off the wood work :D

Gotta love that :D

I'll post some pics from today shortly...suffice to say it was a dreary ice rainy, ice foggy day of awesomeness :D ;)  Ya we milled up a few logs today...all small ones but man were we rocking them!  On the mill, off the mill, next log!  COME ON!  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 30, 2016, 10:58:50 PM
 

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Having trouble posting more pics but one if the start of the day and one is the end of the day :)

And yes, anyone thinking of doing this can!  I just believe you have to go to where the customer is (in my area anyway) and be willing to do a lot of work! ;)  For the most part I encourage my customers to be very involved and even let them change on the fly if need be.  See something you want made into 1x's no problem!  I'll do it!  Want me to make bench boards 3" thick?  Sure!

And advertise a lot ;)  Seems word of mouth is getting out there now too and that's a good thing for me because I do my best to produce good quality lumber by reading a LOT here ;) and taking to heart what I'm told and educating the customers as much as possible.  I encourage them to come here too

Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: 4x4American on December 01, 2016, 07:50:00 AM
Looking real good!  Say, how do you tally the lumber?  As it comes off the mill or at the end of the day?  I never keep track because I feel like it takes away from sawing.  When I did portable jobs I did both ways and settled with tallying as it comes off the mill because the customers never stack it good enough to efficiently scale it.  But sawing for wholesale markets, sandsawmill14 taught me how to stack tally and that is wayy faster and that's how I tally now if I need to count
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on December 01, 2016, 08:02:35 AM
I do it at the end of the day but don't like that method that much since it's pain when the customer doesn't stack well and your milling and miss that they started doing something goofy ;) lol

I've instructed the young bucks to stack in like for like piles so only 2x4's x16' in that pile, etc.....then yesterday, after what? 4 days?  I see 12 footers in the 16 foot pile.....but I made them count it for me! ha!

I keep saying I'm going to try tallying off the mill instead but I'd need a dry place to write the tally on and could utilize the tic method by having the cutlist in front of me and just ticking it as they come off but in this weather I have to keep paper inside the truck or it would be useless in an hour! ha!
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Post by: 4x4American on December 01, 2016, 08:07:47 AM
True!  Or you could just mount an etch-a-sketch to the computer box so you don't worry about it getting wet, just worry about the vibrations of the mill erasing it!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Dakota on December 01, 2016, 10:08:25 AM
How about carrying a little digital recorder in your shirt pocket.  After sawing a log, grab it and record your board ft. etc.  At the end of the day, sit down and play it back while you tally your totals.
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on December 01, 2016, 11:38:16 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on December 01, 2016, 08:02:35 AM
I keep saying I'm going to try tallying off the mill instead but I'd need a dry place to write the tally on and could utilize the tic method by having the cutlist in front of me and just ticking it as they come off but in this weather I have to keep paper inside the truck or it would be useless in an hour! ha!

Eric,

   I know lots of guys here on the FF keep a tally sheet and log the board size and put a tick mark each time they make a cut that size then total at the end of the day or job I guess. I have tried it and it does not work well for me. For those rare times when I really get in the groove (? :D) I don't want to break my rhythm to stop and write something down so I prefer to just tally the stack of lumber at the end of the job. It is a pain when your helpers mix sizes/lengths (as long as all the same thickness and length I just measure the width of the stack) of lumber. I often end up just estimating and average stack width, get the customer to agree then we use that to compute total bf. I rarely get an hourly type job.

    I'd like to be able to keep a better running tally but not at the overall expense of my total production time.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on December 01, 2016, 10:23:34 PM
I agree!  When I'm in the groove the logs are going up and coming off as lumber as fast as I can mill them accurately!  I use simple set ALL the time and man when the cant is made I'm ripping up the 2x's (or whatever) down, down, down, done!  Off the deck, get the next log going and it's away we go!

In fact, with good help and smaller logs I don't even leave the loader up, I drop it to the ground, the roll the next log up and stack the flitches (as few as I can make) on the deck, flip them up when the cant is small enough, then rip them down, get them off the deck, finish the cant and as soon as the last lumber is off the deck (they swing the arms out for me) the stop go back up, the next log is already rolling on the deck and away we go! :D  8)

That's the way I like it and I can count the lumber afterwards.

I'm at 7500bf now on this job after a slower day of producing due to some brain farts, blowing off the water lube from the valve and having to replace it and just generally not having good logs to produce but tomorrow I'm going to try to get the last 24 logs done and break 9000bf for the week :D  8)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: WV Sawmiller on December 01, 2016, 10:43:24 PM
Eric,

   I believe the politically correct term is "Cerebral flatulence". We all have them at times whether we like to admit it or not. Still sounds like a pretty dang good day to me. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on December 01, 2016, 11:02:05 PM
That CF was the cause of my leaving the two boards up....three times!  DOH!

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Was a cold start to the day with temps below freezing and took a while to warm up the mill and get it ready but I was milling shortly after 7:30am

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Half way through the day and the young bucks were working hard to get the log deck set.

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Ready for tomorrow.  It will be another cold day but I hope to get the mill off the mountain before the roads get worse!

Tomorrow I hope to mill at least 1500bf so wish me luck! ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on December 02, 2016, 07:51:42 AM
 

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One of my customers friends took this pic and posted it to my facebook page (Manley Portable Milling for those on FB). 
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Post by: Magicman on December 02, 2016, 08:06:19 AM
That picture tells a story.  It would be on my website home page.   smiley_thumbsup
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 02, 2016, 10:08:21 PM
My thoughts exactly MM!  I plan to post that one and call it "Dawn at the mill" or something like that...maybe subtitled "when we start milling" ;)

Made it off the mountain safe and sound but not without some 'pucker factor' now and then!  Whew!  :o

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Morning at the mill on the last day (Day 6) and it started snowing!  I put the umbrella up which helped a bunch even though I didn't get the new stand made nor buy a new umbrella with a knuckle on it....I will, just not yet ;)  Spring I'm thinking.
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Lunch break at the mill and the snow is letting up some but it's cold still.  The freezing rain came afterwards and made the roads even worse!

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Had problems with one of my chains so only chained up the rears on the truck other than a couple times when things nearly went sideways (ok the mill did once slide two feet to the right on a bad section but I pulled it back into line..and then there was the time when....oh heck, we made it right?  Nuff said!  Now, can I please take the rest of the winter off? LOL

I'll have to do some math but I must be at about 40,000 board feet for the year now...maybe 50k :)
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Post by: Magicman on December 02, 2016, 10:29:39 PM
Congratulations on a super year and enjoy your well earned time off.   8)
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 02, 2016, 10:39:33 PM
Quote from: Magicman on December 02, 2016, 10:29:39 PM
Congratulations on a super year and enjoy your well earned time off.   8)

Thanks MM :)  I'm pretty stoked and the mill turned over 200 hours this week!  8)

I can say I've learned a TON this year and imagine I'll make some changes to some of the way I do things in the new year.  I need to get my cant sheets made because I mill a lot of different sizes and it would help as for example, this weekend when the cold hit with the snow and fog etc I started missing my mark more often when driving to the cant and found I was having to work around the pith too much!  I also need to stop measuring every opening the way I do.  I think I should check height the first two faces and then should know what my 3rd face should hit and I was having trouble the last two days doing that....and I plan to make up a sheet for customers on how many stickers they need since it's often a question I'm asked and I don't have a good answer!  Other then one at each end and one every 18" or so.

I need to fix the umbrella stand too and maybe get another fine tune outrigger (for the rear) and many other things.

All in all it's been a great year and I'm ready for a break...just have to two the mill the last 120 miles to home (it's down at my phone company garage in the fenced area locked up for the night now and I'll get it tomorrow and head home as I'm staying in the cabin).

Probably a ton more to consider but I'm tired now so just relaxing in front of the wood stove :)

Oh and my new saw is working great!  Glad that rebuild worked out as the saw was working overtime all week bucking logs and trimming them since my little saw has a missing screw in the handle so it couldn't be used.  The big 576 worked every day, started right up and didn't skip a bit all week :D  8) 8)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Brucer on December 03, 2016, 01:06:43 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on December 01, 2016, 08:02:35 AM
... in this weather I have to keep paper inside the truck or it would be useless in an hour! ha!

Back when I was sawing very large timber frame jobs I was looking for some type of weather-proof ID labels to staple to the timbers. I discovered a product called "Weatherjet" that works with inkjet printers (same company makes "DuraCopy" for laser printers). The pages look and feel like paper, but are actually a textured synthetic paper. You can print forms on them and write on them with a pencil (even when they're wet).

The manufacturer has a website, www.RiteintheRain.com (http://www.riteintherain.com).
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 03, 2016, 08:16:39 AM
Thanks!  I've heard of them (in commercials) and kept wondering if they worked...and then forgot about them....will check it out now.

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Post by: Magicman on December 03, 2016, 11:50:49 AM
In most areas if there is ice/snow on the roadway and the trailer has brakes, chains are required.  Even if not required, they still should be used.
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Post by: thecfarm on December 03, 2016, 09:00:03 PM
Must be a MS thing about chains when there is ice/snow on the roads.  :D
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Post by: Magicman on December 03, 2016, 10:02:12 PM
 :D  Actually my experience was California. 

Anything that moves in Mississippi when there is ice/snow on the ground wrecks.
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Post by: fishfighter on December 04, 2016, 08:31:35 AM
Same here in Louisiana. Any snow or ice, the state shuts down. :D
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Post by: 4x4American on December 04, 2016, 08:49:01 AM
lol lol


I'm looking into getting chains for the one ton this year in case I have to haul logs/slabwood in the snow/ice.  I remember hauling a load of pine logs in the snow for the first time coming down a steep grade and I couldn't believe I made it down.  I just went real slow and then did the reg snow driving techniques us northerners have acquired.  I never did get the drivers seat back to it's original color lol
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on December 04, 2016, 09:31:14 AM
Eric,

   I had never thought of the sticker question but I am pretty sure you could use a ratio of stickers required based on bf cut by thicknesses (Obviously 4/4 lumber needs twice as many stickers as 8/4) and the size of the stacks. I think you would come out pretty close this way.

   For example if you are stacking 4X10 foot stacks of 4/4 lumber (40 bf) you would need at a minimum if you stack on 2' centers (the maximum I have read for sticker distances) six 4' stickers (placed at Start +2' +4 +6' +8' and the 10' marks) or 6:40 similarly or 5:32 if 4'X8' stacks, 7:48 for 12' stacks.

   You could compute a similar ratio of 3' stickers as 6:24, 7:30, 8:36, etc if making 3' stacks. If stacking 8/4 you'd need 6:48, 7:60,8:72, etc if using the same thickness stickers which I think most of us do unless cutting really thick slabs.

     Looking at this if 4' stacks of 4/4 you'd use 24' of sticker (6 X 4'X sticker thickness) per 40 bf or 1.7" of sticker per bf of lumber. To be safe it looks to me if you told them 2" of sticker per bf you'd be well covered. Half that if 8/4, etc.

    As to the cants not real sure about your issue there. I bet you are cutting bigger logs than me and lots more framing (8/4) vs the 4/4 most of my customers want. I slab the first cut, cut a flitch or two to get a face of about 3/4 the log width showing, rotate 180 degrees then determine the width of the boards I can get and cut slabs and flitches to get to that mark, rotate 90 degrees and cut the slab and a flitch or two till I get past the bark the rotate and look at my cheat sheet to set my mark to saw slabs and flitches then finished boards.

   Good luck.
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Post by: OlJarhead on January 09, 2017, 12:28:21 AM
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For stickers I did the above :)  Basically a little math and guesstimating and you can get pretty close.  This is based on 18" centers and 1" in from either end.  Rule of thumb could be a min of 100 stickers for 1000bf of 2x's produced.  Seems like a lot but I think it's pretty accurate.

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If you look closely you'll see a WoodMizer hidden in the snow ;)

No milling for me now!
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Post by: 4x4American on January 15, 2017, 07:38:52 AM
What's up with the height and width?  Are you using 2x6's for stickers or are you saying the pile is 2' x 6'  ???


Suposta not stack wider than 4' so that the inside of the pile dries evenly and without mold...you can go wider, but need to leave gaps next to your boards...




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Post by: OlJarhead on January 16, 2017, 12:27:33 PM
Of the l umber.

So if stacking 2x6's 8 feet long on a 42" pallet system -- I'll make that more clear ;)
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Post by: coppolajc10 on January 16, 2017, 06:29:33 PM
Would you mind explaining your stickers chart more, please?  What is the "per row" column representing?  How did you figure your number of layers?  Thank you.
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Post by: 4x4American on January 16, 2017, 07:27:39 PM
So the 2 is the thickness not the height?
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Post by: OlJarhead on January 19, 2017, 08:37:13 AM
Thickness yet -- I've corrected and made the chart more readable.....and included more here:
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Took the length, 'thickness' and width, added a quick formula to get board feet per board and boards per 1000 board feet (simply divided the bf of each into 1000), then divided 42" of pallet with by the thickness of the board plus 1/2" air gap between them (and rounded) then divided the number of boards in a 'layer' (in this case 6) by the total number of boards in 1000 board feet which gives me 19 rows.  Since I lay down a row of stickers first then a row of boards this means I'll have the same number of rows for both.

Make sense?
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Post by: OlJarhead on January 19, 2017, 08:49:43 AM
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To be clear I'm calling a 'row' 6 2x6s laying on a pallet.  A layer is each row.  Each layer needs stickers at about every 18" so divide the length of the board by 18" and add 1 for the end.
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Post by: Jim_Rogers on January 19, 2017, 11:24:07 AM
I would like to suggest another idea about sticking or stacking lumber.
I use a 1" thick sticker, some times an oak one that is 1 1/2" wide. Some times an air dried white pine sticker that is 2" wide as when I edge boards I drop by 2" and this kind of automatically makes sticker stock.

I believe I read in the kiln drier's handbook that the spacing should be 2' on center not 18".
I use 2' on center as 18" doesn't divide up evenly with the length of the lumber I cut. For example 96" / 18" = 5.33, 120" / 18" = 6.67, 144" x 18" = 8, 168" / 18" = 9.33, and 192" / 18" = 10.67

When you stick or stack lumber on stickers it was recommended that the sticker be very close to the end of the lumber so that the drying crack would only split the piece back to the first sticker.
So when I stack and stick lumber I inspect the ends. If I have a nice end on one end and a bad end on the other I put the good end right close to the sticker. And let the bad end over hang the sticker a bit as most of my lumber is cut with 6" of trim. Sometimes only 4" but usually longer then the even foot mark.

If I have two good ends I pick one end and make that end close to the end sticker.

If I have two bad ends I place it so that there is an even amount of overhang on both ends.

I make my sticker 48" long, but actually cut them at 49" just to make sure that they are long enough for my lumber stacks.

Next, I stack my lumber with some spaces between the boards to allow the air to flow and hopefully dry out the lumber with out creating any blue stain by having wet lumber touch wet lumber.
So in a stack of 1x4's I put 11 pieces in a row. In a stack of 6" wide boards I put 7 pieces per row. In a stack of 1x8's I put 5 pieces per row. In a stack of 1x10's I put four per row. And in a stack of 1x12's I put three. Some may say my 1x12 pile could take 4 but I put three.
Next, my lumber yard isn't big enough to have a lot of piles of lumber. So I stack the same length lumber on one base and put each size on a different pallet made for that length lumber.

So with a spacing of 2' on center I use 5 stickers per row on 8' lumber, 6 stickers per row on a 10' stack. 7 on a 12' stack, 8 on a 14' stack and 9 on a 16' stack.

You can do the math and figure out how many bdft per row if you wish.

Here is a drawing of my lumber stack:



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The above picture is of a stack of 8' lumber. Widest on the bottom.

This is just my way of doing things.

Here is a drawing of a lumber base:



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This is so you have good support all the way down to the 4x4 cross blocks and high enough to allow good air flow under the stack during winter months when there maybe snow on the ground (if you have snow in your area).

Here is a drawing of a stack cover:



 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10095/2617/d-Lumbercover.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1297206496)

This will hold down the top row of lumber and shed the rain water from entering the pile.
Both the lumber base and the lumber cover shown are for a pile of 16' lumber. I make shorter ones for the actual length of the lumber being stacked.

Here is a picture of a lumber pallet:



 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10095/2617/Lumber_pallet-8_ft.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1297206951)

My forks are only 42" long so I needed to have a support board there to catch then end of the fork so I use five 1x4's for the pallet deck. And 2x4's for the base so that I have enough room to get the forks in between pallets when stacked up.

In the above picture the sticker is nailed to the top of the pallet and is an kiln dried oak sticker.

Again just my method of doing things.

Jim Rogers
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: coppolajc10 on January 19, 2017, 06:54:22 PM
OlJarhead thanks for taking time to explain.  Still confused over the stickers "Per Row" column.  maybe your formulas are running upside down in that column?  8' lumber should have few stickers per row than 20' lumber.  I'm probably looking at things wrong here, sorry if I am, just trying to understand. 

Jim, nice post.
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Post by: Darrel on January 19, 2017, 08:05:59 PM

Maybe I'm having  a bit of CF because I am confused.

Why does an 8' stack of 19 layers get 135 stickers and a 20' stack only get 108 stickers?  :P
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Post by: Ljohnsaw on January 19, 2017, 08:33:57 PM
Quote from: Darrel on January 19, 2017, 08:05:59 PM

Maybe I'm having  a bit of CF because I am confused.

Why does an 8' stack of 19 layers get 135 stickers and a 20' stack only get 108 stickers?  :P

Note the note at the bottom.  Pallets are loaded with 1,000 bf of the specified lumber.  So, you need more layers of 8' then you do with 20' boards.  I'm presuming that 1,000 bf is the max your tractor can lift?

Quote from: coppolajc10 on January 19, 2017, 06:54:22 PM
OlJarhead thanks for taking time to explain.  Still confused over the stickers "Per Row" column.  Maybe your formulas are running upside down in that column? 8' lumber should have few stickers per row than 20' lumber.  I'm probably looking at things wrong here, sorry if I am, just trying to understand. 

Jim, nice post.
I think that column is upside down as well.
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Post by: OlJarhead on January 20, 2017, 01:34:18 PM
Oops!  I think I flipped that because I started with 20 feet....I'll fix that when I get home!
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Post by: OlJarhead on January 21, 2017, 10:13:39 AM
 

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Post by: OlJarhead on March 02, 2017, 03:50:24 PM
Hi All!  I'm starting to come out of hibernation! :D  8)

Supposed to head 107 miles north to mill in Medical Lake tomorrow but snow might push that off a couple weeks and then I have a booking for the 25th of March for a half day job....and finally, just got off the phone with a customer in Mallot that has 118 oversided logs from the local plywood mill (means they are all 24+ inches) that he wants milled up by April!  Oh boy I better get cracking!
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Post by: Peter Drouin on March 03, 2017, 05:59:32 AM
  smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 03, 2017, 09:08:43 AM
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Hmmm......118 Logs though some of them are around 45" and he may want to do something else with them.  My thought it slab them down a little with the chainsaw and go for it :)  Probably worth it in the end.

However, BOTH grease zirts came out of the elbow on the claw / log turner!  Ok, one came out (pulled right out) and one was broken off.  I was working through my 'post winter' lube and service and came across the first zirt.  It just pulled out and was clearly stripped.  Next I looked at the second and it was broken off.  Hmmm.....I tried the old trick of sticking a small screw driver in the broken zirt body and it pushed the zirt to the bottom.  No matter what I did.  it was like there were no threads at all!  I ran a small screw driver down the inside of the hole and NO THREADS.

What gives?  I have a tap and die set and will have to run to the hardware store for some new zirts but I'm a little po'd over this one.

And....I'm pretty much kicking myself silly.  I didn't cover the mill this winter  :( >:( :o but did brush ATF over everything.  The mill was covered in snow and the rails rusted.  I was not happy, having not moved or used the mill in 3 months, to have to be out there with a wire brush busting rust all afternoon.  I'm wondering if straight grease over the rails would work better when it sits for a long span in wet weather?  I can tarp it next year (and WILL) but that won't stop moisture from getting to exposed metal.

Anyhow, I have 19 logs to do tomorrow, 30 to do in the next few weeks, 50-118 to do in the next week or two and a few more jobs on the go...I'm liking it and the mill should be paid off by April  8)
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 03, 2017, 09:15:25 AM
 

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I think I am going to suggest he pulls out the logs with sweep and any oversized logs and set them aside in one deck for consideration.  Then have all of the good saw logs in the main deck.  I can mill the best up until either we get what he needs out of them, or we run out of logs, then we can look at the oversized stuff and work on that leaving the logs with sweep until the end where he can decide if he wants to mill them or cut them into firewood (which he suggested on the big stuff).

My thought is that I may get all he needs in a hurry because this is all oversized logs from the plywood mill which means they are all at least 24" at the butt end (they can't mount them on the big lathes that peel the logs if they are over 24" but I think that's the butt end of an 18 footer vs the small end).

And as mentioned they are all 18' long he tells me.  So we're talking a LOT of 400-500bf logs here :D
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Post by: Magicman on March 03, 2017, 09:17:52 AM
The factory grease zerks are pressed in.  You can tap the hole and use replacement screw types.

Good decision on the big logs.  I would tackle the rest of those 118 logs in a heartbeat if the customer has log moving equipment and help available.   8)
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 03, 2017, 10:30:44 AM
He says he has log moving equipment (which in my mind is a must due to the height of the log decks) so it should be no problem to redeck the logs.  I plan to chat with him today.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 03, 2017, 10:36:55 AM
Quote from: Magicman on March 03, 2017, 09:17:52 AM
The factory grease zerks are pressed in.  You can tap the hole and use replacement screw types.

Hmmm pressed in?  That explains the lack of threads but why would they do this?  In my case, not knowing it I tried to drive screw driver into one so I could back it out (and old trick)....which resulted in the remaining portion being driven further in -- and how do you get them out once they break off?  I suppose you can drive one in on top of the other and eventually they will stop going down LOL but that doesn't sound like good policy and I don't want to have to remove the darn log turner just to get a piece or zerk (I see I spelled it wrong -- to me they were always 'zirts' or 'zerts' funny that).
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Post by: pineywoods on March 03, 2017, 10:47:59 AM
Them pressed in zerks are a pain if they get broken off. Next to impossible to drill out, usually can't drive them out with out dis-assembling everything. I have resorted to drilling and tapping a new hole.
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Post by: Kbeitz on March 03, 2017, 10:54:17 AM
If your lucky you can screw an easy-out into the broken part to
extract it. Sometimes there is a hole deep enough to get one started
in it to pull it out. There is also a very small ball bearing in the very end
of the zerk. Make sure that little ball wont get into something that might
cause you more problems later. Watch when buying a new one that they
now also come in metric sizes.
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Post by: Bruno of NH on March 03, 2017, 01:06:31 PM
I just got these new tools for the mill and other equipment
The small tool has an easy out,tap and wrench for the fittings


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Bruno
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Post by: Gearbox on March 03, 2017, 01:51:53 PM
Just slip a 1/4 inch socket over it and tap in a new one . try threading a steel roofing sheet metal screw in the other one . then pull it out . you want to use the screw with the rubber washer as they are hard as heck .
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on March 03, 2017, 01:55:12 PM
Google removing broken Zerk (http://www.bing.com/search?pc=COSP&ptag=D092516-A21066F3E7D&form=CONBDF&conlogo=CT3334510&q=removing+broken+pressed+in+zerks)
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 03, 2017, 05:28:04 PM
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So I had the mill at the local machine shop to install my new umbrella support and decided to just have them clean out the holes, tap and install new zerks.  Wasn't expensive though admittedly would have been cheaper if I did it but it was easy enough to have them do it too ;)

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The new support isn't much different than what I had done with PVC but it's stronger and puts the umbrella over me instead ;)

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They did nice work and the support is fully removable :)

Now when it rains I will have a place to stand that will be a little drier though the umbrella is a little high perhaps.  I can, however, cut about 6" off the umbrella pole to bring it down lower if I want.

For now this will work and if I find one with an elbow this should be good.

I was headed to my first customer of the year when he sent me this pic and advised me his logs were frozen solid together LOL  he will have to wait two weeks now.

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Going to a muddy one but I'll do it anyway :)
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Post by: Kbeitz on March 03, 2017, 05:32:20 PM
If you can cut it with no problem I sure would. I would not want to
worry about catching it on a low hanging tree or whatever.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 03, 2017, 05:38:59 PM
I wouldn't worry.  It's basically the same as I already had but made out of steel instead.  Very strong and sets the umbrella back over me instead of in front of me.  I take the umbrella down when moving.
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Post by: Gearbox on March 03, 2017, 06:17:09 PM
Sometimes the checkbook just works good as a wrench . Glad you got it fixed .
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 03, 2017, 08:04:27 PM
Quote from: Gearbox on March 03, 2017, 06:17:09 PM
Sometimes the checkbook just works good as a wrench . Glad you got it fixed .


Ahhh yes...or better at times.  In this case it gave me time to do something else and thankfully it's 'operating expenses' which don't hurt since I have a full time job on the side ;)
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Post by: 4x4American on March 03, 2017, 10:08:25 PM
I had the same thing happen the other day.  I was greasing the claw turner fittings where it connects and when I pulled my grease gun off and tried to put it on the next one it wouldn't go on...then I remembered WM uses press in fittings and the other one prolly stuck in gun.  So instead of trying to fight the grease fitting out of the gun, just stick the gun with grease fitting back in the hole with a good push and twist the grease gun off.  Worked good for me, keep that in your bag of tricks
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on March 04, 2017, 11:35:28 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on March 03, 2017, 09:15:25 AM


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I think I am going to suggest he pulls out the logs with sweep and any oversized logs and set them aside in one deck for consideration.  Then have all of the good saw logs in the main deck.  I can mill the best up until either we get what he needs out of them, or we run out of logs, then we can look at the oversized stuff and work on that leaving the logs with sweep until the end where he can decide if he wants to mill them or cut them into firewood (which he suggested on the big stuff).

My thought is that I may get all he needs in a hurry because this is all oversized logs from the plywood mill which means they are all at least 24" at the butt end (they can't mount them on the big lathes that peel the logs if they are over 24" but I think that's the butt end of an 18 footer vs the small end).

And as mentioned they are all 18' long he tells me.  So we're talking a LOT of 400-500bf logs here :D

Those are decks of log that I drool over. I am very tempted to come help you! LOL
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 04, 2017, 11:41:47 AM
I've been looking at those logs and since he has some VERY big ones I've been wondering if it's time to get the CSM and slabber I've been thinking about.  Of course that means another saw too in the 100+ cc range to handle a big bar but with logs that span 48" I'm thinking I might need to slab them down a bit before trying to get them on the mill.
Though I suppose I could take a crack at them free hand to get them down to something closer to what I need in order to finish them off on the mill.

But my plan is to have him set those aside.

I also hope to get everything he needs milled in 9 days or less....
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on March 04, 2017, 11:56:52 AM
Second log up the tree was about 35 inchs. The butt log had a good bell (about 42") for the first foot but I just notched it get trough.

This is 3rd log up that tree.



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Post by: OlJarhead on March 04, 2017, 12:44:15 PM
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This thing was 45" across the butt.....and I almost could not get it onto the mill.

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Took a while to get this one on but had to pull it off with a trackhoe, roll it on the ground, slab off some horns and put it back on the mill.

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Finally with a manageable log I was able to start whittling away at it.  This monster took me 6 hours to complete from start (on the ground) to last piece off the mill.  However I ran into 7 nails throughout the course of the day and had to do a LOT of chainsaw work to notch out the log to get the guides past....so ya, done that :D
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Post by: Brucer on March 04, 2017, 07:27:46 PM
One of my customers wanted some 4x8 edge grain, FOHC timbers. I suggested he buy his own over-size logs from my supplier and have them shipped on my next truckload. The guy ended up buying 8 pieces 17' long with a maximum diameter of 48".

He got his buddy to split the biggest ones lengthwise freehand using a chainsaw with a 30" bar. The buddy wedged the log, used a level to mark a line across the centre at each end, and then stretched a chalk line from end to end right where the level marks hit the edge of the log. Then he had me snap the chalk line, pulling it about 12" away from the log, and making sure it was level.

With a mark down each side of the log he was able to split the log from end to end on either side -- the two cut lines met within 3/8" of each other. His special trick was to start the cut while one of us eyeballed the bar and the level line across the end of the log. With a bit of direction he got the cut started absolutely level across the log.

I was able to stack a half log upright on the mill, flat side against the side stops. I would saw down from the top, cutting a few inches off, and then dropping down 6" or 8". Then take the cant off the mill, flip it end-to-end, and repeat from the other side. That left me with a couple of 8" wide cants off the sides for sawing edge grain material, plus a 24" cant with a curved top and a chainsawn face on the bottom. I could break this down on the mill, making FOHC edge grain cants, or in some cases 3" x 24" slabs.

Slow work, but we got some amazing cants out of it and very little waste. The trick was to plan the breakdown of the log ahead of time, step-by-step.

It's worth trying to split the log without a chainsaw mill and a super long bar.
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Post by: Ljohnsaw on March 04, 2017, 08:35:39 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on March 04, 2017, 11:41:47 AM
I've been looking at those logs and since he has some VERY big ones I've been wondering if it's time to get the CSM and slabber I've been thinking about.  Of course that means another saw too in the 100+ cc range to handle a big bar but with logs that span 48" I'm thinking I might need to slab them down a bit before trying to get them on the mill.
What about a pair of sub-100cc heads on one bar?  If you had a pair of 50 or 60cc heads, they would be useful for other operations as well.  That would take care of the chain oiling issues as well.
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Post by: paul case on March 04, 2017, 10:18:03 PM
I am not bragging since I have no credible attributes of my own, only ones that others have taught me, I have split 36''x10' Oak logs with my 660 Stihl and 36'' bar freehand and only wasted 1 board from the middle. The trick is to not ever let the bar get perpendicular to the log, but rather go at an angle so that the length of your bar keeps it going straight in the cut. I picked that up by seeing pictures of logs that Customsawyer  split with chainsaw. I like to cut the log with the bar parallel to the ground and the handle hits my leg at the same spot all the way through.

PC
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 05, 2017, 08:54:36 AM
For me I think even just a slabber and 2x6 would do the trick.  Slap the 2x6 down on the log, wedge it up and screw it down so it's parallel to the deck then take the 576xp and run down the length taking off a slab....might work.

Otherwise an Alaskan mill and the 576xp to take off about 4 to 6 inches for each side of the log.  Would drop it from 48" down to 36-40" which should be manageable specially since it wouldn't be a cant yet so you could rotate up to the wane, cut that off and then have a face to work from.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Darrel on March 05, 2017, 09:20:08 AM
Yes, that is n option, but I'm thinking that you'll get less waste if you have an efficient way to split the log down the middle or close to it if you want to avoid splitting the pith.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 06, 2017, 08:16:46 AM
Hadn't really considered splitting it down the middle.  Was more thinking of just taking enough of the outside edge to allow me to work it on the mill.

Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on March 06, 2017, 12:18:35 PM
Each log needs to be looked at as an individual before determining where/how to split it.  Know what your targeted lumber will be and then measure and know where the sawmill blade will be when you load it up for sawing.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 08, 2017, 09:09:53 AM
This customer (with the bigger logs) is smart ;) and wants me running the mill and not the chainsaw :)  So he plans to look closer at those logs and if he decides to mill them he'll whittle them down a little after we discuss it.  He's decided to break up the log deck into manageable sections and wants to start with a 3 day test run (he works 4 tens and is off Fri-Sun weekly).  Then will decide after that what he wants to do and I'm ok with that as it allows me to take just one day off my other job to do his milling and then, provided he's happy etc, I can come back in a couple/few weeks to do more.

As it is though, I have 4 jobs booked through the 3rd of April and a couple more serious inquiries that look good for the summer.  It appears this year will at least be as good as last and with luck a little better since I'll start milling a little earlier :)

If all goes well the mill will be paid off by the end of the month putting it just a tick over a year :D   8) and then I'm buying the F350 (Found a 2010 I like and I've read that's a good year for them) and hopefully soon after the camper.  Then I'm set and won't have to commute so much or hotel it (which is always a sticking point with customers)
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 10, 2017, 12:00:04 AM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/F350.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1489121859)
Finally settled on a truck :)
2010 Ford F350 Super Crew 4x4 with 32000 miles on it for $33800

Basically a new truck and everything I read was that the 2008-2010 6.4's were good trucks and not plagued with the problems of the older 6.0's and early 6.4's.  Just in case got the warranty extended for 60k miles and a pretty decent price (hate those things but the price was right and it gives some piece of mind).

Can't wait to see how it does towing the mill!  (oh and the mill will be paid off VERY shortly) :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on March 10, 2017, 07:29:47 AM
That is a nice looking ride and I'm sure that it will serve you well.   I am loving watching your plans come together.  smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 10, 2017, 07:47:32 AM
Thanks MM.  And THANKS!  Couldn't do it without you and the others here on the forum who provide advice and knowledge freely.
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Post by: Weekend_Sawyer on March 10, 2017, 08:51:06 AM
Good looking truck!

My 06 6.0 was a great truck till the head gaskets blew at around 95,000 miles. Cost more to fix than the truck was worth so away it went.

Jon
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on March 10, 2017, 09:43:10 AM
Good to hear on the mill Debt pay down. I know how it feels to pay it off in about half of the time that it was written up for and that is a good feeling.

You wont even feel the mill behind that truck. Just need a camper now!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 10, 2017, 10:13:11 AM
Quote from: Weekend_Sawyer on March 10, 2017, 08:51:06 AM
Good looking truck!

My 06 6.0 was a great truck till the head gaskets blew at around 95,000 miles. Cost more to fix than the truck was worth so away it went.

Jon

I did a lot of reading before buying this truck and everything I read said stay away from the 6.0 unless you were willing to do the ERG delete, replace the head bolts and head gasket and the cooler.  Though I read the later ones were better than the early ones.  Seemed like the 2010 was a good year for the 6.4 and I decided to get the 60k warranty with this one just in case.

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Post by: Darrel on March 10, 2017, 11:24:10 AM
I'm thinking and hoping that you won't be needing that extra warranty.
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Post by: larrydown60 on March 10, 2017, 11:42:00 AM
Wow nice set of wheels looks good. Glad to see hard work pays off.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 18, 2017, 11:24:35 PM
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Got those 19 logs done today :)  Rain and wind couldn't stop me ;) nor a cold.

Now on to another small job (8 logs) on Monday then off to tackle about a third of the big pile of logs after that :)
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Post by: fishpharmer on March 18, 2017, 11:56:31 PM
 Very nice truck!  Congrats on your success in the milling business!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Darrel on March 19, 2017, 12:35:16 AM
The cold and wind can be tolerated if on is dressed for it. Good to see you back at it!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Gearbox on March 19, 2017, 09:29:13 AM
Keep making boards and payments . That 6.4 will haul your camper and pull your mill . With that much power you can buy a fifth wheel and pull the mill off the back bumper . I have seen people pull a car on a dolly behind a fifth wheel try to back that one up . Just kidding  Nice truck .
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 19, 2017, 09:38:47 AM
No thanks backing that up!  LOL Just backing the mill with this bigger truck is a bit of a trick.  I could back it into anywhere with the old one but I find this longer truck with poorer turn radius makes it a challenge to turn around in tight places (like a dead end 2 lane yesterday).....but it sure pulls the mill nicely :)  Didn't get the mileage I was hoping for but didn't buy the truck for mileage either ;)....I got 10.6mpg pulling the mill 107 miles to a higher elevation (which usually means I get better mileage coming back so overall should be decent but I was heading into the wind with 45mph gusts coming home! :o :o).....
8.8 heading into the wind on the way home.

I've gotten 20+ on the highway though so I know the truck can do it but boy the wind can change that!  I went from 20 down to 12 on the same road, same speed (unloaded and no tow) just from wind recently.
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Post by: Magicman on March 19, 2017, 09:42:06 AM
I had to get a receiver hitch extension in order to pull a utility trailer with my truck camper on the truck.
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Post by: Darrel on March 19, 2017, 09:43:07 AM
If I did that with my current 5th wheel, the total length would be just over 72'.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 19, 2017, 01:22:44 PM
Quote from: Magicman on March 19, 2017, 09:42:06 AM
I had to get a receiver hitch extension in order to pull a utility trailer with my truck camper on the truck.

Saw some of those with baskets on them and was thinking that would be the way to go.  I could then put my fuel cans on the basket with water etc and a second basket on the mill for saws etc.  This is my biggest issue with hauling a camper to the mill site:  where to keep all the mill stuff that wouldn't do well inside a nice camper like gasoline, oil, chainsaws, bands etc.

But I'll figure it out ;)

I'm off to mill three large logs (30" I'm told) tomorrow for trailer decking and dump truck sides.  Should be fun
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Post by: Gearbox on March 19, 2017, 01:42:24 PM
Be careful with the extended basket . They may not be rated for the hitch weight of your mill . Your water in your camper will be useable in the mill . Think about a box that clamps to the rail ahead or behind the saw head mat be 2 pins to hold it on .
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Post by: Magicman on March 19, 2017, 01:44:53 PM
Yup, I would have a removable basket/box mounted just behind the hydraulic pump box.
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on March 20, 2017, 09:48:01 AM
I have wondered about pulling the mill behind the fifth wheel but have not tried it yet. I pull my little fishing boat that way all the time. I think I would have to rewire the trailer connection on the back of the trailer to the regular round connector so id have brakes back there and add a second brake controler in the cab for the mill.

Any ideas or experience out there?
Probably need to check if there is a restriction on the weight/length of the second trailer.   
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Post by: Kbeitz on March 20, 2017, 05:40:34 PM
The law wont let us do that here in Pa.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 20, 2017, 09:15:37 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_1328_281024x76729.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1490058787)
1636 bf of 2x12's and 3 1/2 x 14's in just over 4 hours :)  Too bad the rest of the logs were too badly checked and the hearts had seperated.  Customer decided they'd make good firewood.

They were very happy and told me the cost of buying 4x14's ran them around 50c or more per bf vs my cutting them for them at around .25c :) 
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Post by: 4x4American on March 20, 2017, 10:02:19 PM
Quote from: Kbeitz on March 20, 2017, 05:40:34 PM
The law wont let us do that here in Pa.


But they'll let you raid a guys property and steal his stuff from him...


It don't make sense!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Kbeitz on March 20, 2017, 10:31:10 PM
Quote from: 4x4American on March 20, 2017, 10:02:19 PM
Quote from: Kbeitz on March 20, 2017, 05:40:34 PM
The law wont let us do that here in Pa.


But they'll let you raid a guys property and steal his stuff from him...


It don't make sense!

The clean up was appointed by a court judge. I was just one of the hired clean up guys. If i did not do it someone else would of had to do it. Call it what you want.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: fishfighter on March 21, 2017, 05:57:08 AM
Quote from: Magicman on March 19, 2017, 09:42:06 AM
I had to get a receiver hitch extension in order to pull a utility trailer with my truck camper on the truck.

I had to do the same towing with my truck camper in the bed.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: 4x4American on March 21, 2017, 06:05:09 AM
Easy now I'm not questioning you I'm questioning the govt
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Post by: Kbeitz on March 21, 2017, 07:58:29 AM
Quote from: 4x4American on March 21, 2017, 06:05:09 AM
Easy now I'm not questioning you I'm questioning the govt

Then I agree with 100%. but it wasn't the govt but the township.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 21, 2017, 10:35:33 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on March 20, 2017, 09:15:37 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_1328_281024x76729.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1490058787)
1636 bf of 2x12's and 3 1/2 x 14's in just over 4 hours :)  Too bad the rest of the logs were too badly checked and the hearts had seperated.  Customer decided they'd make good firewood.

They were very happy and told me the cost of buying 4x14's ran them around 50c or more per bf vs my cutting them for them at around .25c :)

OK tree gurus.  Look at that bark.  Tell me if you think it's Larch or Fir.

My customer swore it was Fir but the bark was redish and heavily grooved.  The wood was white with few knots and very hard.

I've milled a lot of Ponderosa and Doug Fir and only very little Larch which always looked more like Ponderosa for the bark than anything else when it's large like this.  The wood was considerably harder than both Fir and Pine and I'm convinced this was Larch.

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Post by: Gearbox on March 21, 2017, 10:55:08 AM
Larch Smells kind of sweet when sawed we call it Tamarack . You are right it is hard . Bark is thinner than other pines .
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 21, 2017, 11:39:35 AM
This bark was very thick and the wood was white.  Maybe it was Red Fir?
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Post by: Clark on March 21, 2017, 01:34:50 PM
Whoa, let's not use names like that. If you were close to the Cascades then it could be either silver, grand or noble fir (Abies amabilis, grandis or procera). Once on the ground it would be difficult to tell them apart but the white wood is more indicative of fir than pine, larch or doug-fir. None of them have "thick" bark, except for smaller trees, otherwise always thinner than doug-fir and probably closer to the thickness of larch.

Also, I have enjoyed your milling thread quite a bit. It's fun to see how far you've come and what you can do with a simple "hobby".

Clark
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Post by: JRWoodchuck on March 21, 2017, 01:40:33 PM
Larch bark is generally thin except around the butt where it can get quite thick. Looking at your photo it doesn't look like larch to me but it's hard to say. Do you see lots of trees in the area without needles at the moment? What elevation are you cutting at? Larch seems to grow in the 4500 to 6000 foot range in my parts.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 21, 2017, 03:50:50 PM
Clark -- thanks :)

I have Larch (Tamarack) at 3000 feet and see it lower.  I can always tell because the needles turn yellow an fall in the late fall, early winter.

I'm thinking this was Fir, but one I'm not familiar with since I've cut almost exclusively Doug Fir and Ponderosa with a smattering of Walnut and one Cherry.

Also, this was near Chelan on the east side of the state.
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Post by: Gearbox on March 21, 2017, 07:30:35 PM
After being cut a few days Tamarack gets a white outer ring 1 to 2 inches darker center .
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Post by: Brucer on March 21, 2017, 11:36:08 PM
Mature Douglas-Fir1, Western Larch2, and Ponderosa Pine3  all have thick, fire resistant bark. All are common in the southern interior of BC and the interior of Washington State.

I've sawn mostly Douglas-Fir (which is not a fir, by the way). It has a distinctive reddish brown heartwood and a pale, almost white sapwood. You can easily see the demarkation between the heartwood and sapwood. When you first cut the wood (either by bucking or sawing) the heartwood can appear almost white, but it will start to turn pink within a few minutes of being exposed to the air. Within a few hours it will turn more of a reddish colour. The bark tends to have a cork-like texture.

Here are five D-Fir logs -- on the 4 recently cut ones you can see how the heartwood is just starting to turn pink. The older log has a much darker heartwood. The timber supporting the logs is also D-Fir, and you can just see a bit of the pale sapwood on the top and bottom edges. These logs are 16" diameter and the bark is not very thick (compared to a 24" log).
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11885/IMG_1738_LogDeckEast.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1288584463)

I only sawed one load of very large Ponderosa Pine. The heartwood and sapwood were both pale (although the books say the heartwood does become a reddish brown colour). The bark resembles Western Larch at a distance. It's a sort of orange brown colour, with deep, black fissures. The bark is also layered in plates that flake off fairly easily.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11885/NST_Aug_7.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1192065375)

Every once in a while I get some Western Larch to saw, usually mixed in with Douglas-Fir. The heartwood is reddish and the sapwood is pale -- very much like D-Fir. The bark is reddish brown, with layered plates. Older weathered bark can resemble that of D-Fir and P. Pine. It's easy to recognize the Larch, though, if you flake off the outer layer of bark. Beneath that top plate the bark has a very distinctive pink colour.

I've always found that Western Larch cuts like a hot knife through butter -- until you hit a pitch pocket, at which point the blade will dive >:(. It also dulls your blades pretty quickly compared to the other two. Apparently it contains quite a bit of silica.

Sorry, no pictures.



  1 - Pseudotsuga menzeisii.
  2 - Larix occidentalis.
  3 - Pinus ponderosa.

It's useful to know the Latin names of what you saw. It's a universal system that bypasses local naming conventions.
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Post by: ST Ranch on March 22, 2017, 01:39:40 PM
Erik - good description by Bruce above.  Following is a picture of larch cant on the mill Heart wood is kind of orangey-brown color and dries brownish.



 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/31497/DSCN0871.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1369437898)

Also wondering if the logs you milled were from the local mill site or trucked in from the eastern cascades?  Reason I ask is the tree may have been grand fir [Abies grandis - a true fir] - if it was, it should of had a very "sweet" smell when milled - bigger diameter trees can have thick bark, which can have a reddish color after skidding - takes the outer layer of grey-green bark off.  Pics below of grand fir.



 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/31497/abies_grandis_log.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1490203733) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/31497/abies_grandis_tree.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1490203805)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 22, 2017, 08:30:06 PM
Thanks -- customer swears it was Fir.  Just not what kind of Fir ;)

It was grown in the Navarree Coulee area of Chelan WA
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Brucer on March 23, 2017, 12:07:39 AM
There's a huge difference between Douglas-Fir and the true firs in terms of strength, bark thickness, and colour of the heartwood. Many customers come looking for "fir" when they actually want Douglas-Fir (for the strength). They don't know there's a difference. Some small mills take advantage of them and sell them Grand Fir for way too much money.

To compound this, the BC forest service refers to Douglas-Fir sawlogs as "fir", with a scaling code "FI". They refer to the true firs as "balsam" with a scaling code "BA". No wonder people get confused.

If what you sawed had a pale centre that didn't start to turn reddish brown shortly after you sawed it, then it wasn't Douglas-Fir. It could easily have been Grand Fir or Balsam Fir.
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Post by: Kbeitz on March 23, 2017, 05:42:33 AM
And don't forget Fraser fir and Concolor fir... Korean fir... Canaan fir.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 23, 2017, 08:44:55 AM
Thanks all.  I'm calling it 'fir' then. ;)

Heading up to mill about 30 'large' logs (all should be 24" or better) this weekend from that pile of 118 that a customer wants milled.  he decided to start with 30 and see how it goes and I'm ok with that as it means I mill all weekend (Fri-Sun) and then go home for the week before heading to my next job (Sun-Mon)....so if he wants more after this weekend i means another weekend job later in the spring :)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 24, 2017, 11:31:07 PM
3800bf produced today :)  Despite my debarker having dropped a little low without me noticing it.  Seems it was cutting UNDER the band and I didn't figure it out until near the end of the day after changing too many bands!  (went through 6 or 7 today).

Despite all the band changes these big logs kept going up and down all day :)

Only thing I noticed though was I was getting some 'crowned' wide cuts despite keeping the band at 3000psi all day.  I think it may have been because the bands were getting dull faster than I am used to though.
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Post by: paul case on March 25, 2017, 12:38:31 AM
Thats a good days sawin.

Big logs really produce the lumber. That debarker is a nonesential item until you dont have it. The adjustments for it look pretty simple, I bet you will have it cuttin right in just a little wrench turning.

Good job Eric.

PC
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 25, 2017, 08:27:58 AM
Hoping so ;)

I milled up 54 2x12's, a wack of 2x6's, some 4x8's, 101x10's and 10x12's among other things.

Customer doesn't want any 1" stuff and wanted me to slab a little deeper which is ok by me on these big logs which are all 17 1/2' long and run 19 1/2" to 32" at the small end.

One log was right at the harry edge for the mill and I had to gun barrel it a bit.  Customer wondered why I was 'fiddling' with the log so much LOL  took me 90 minutes to saw that one down.  It scaled at 842bf and probably yielded closer to 900! :o 8)

Guestimated my hourly production at 475 yesterday if I actually milled 8hrs (haven't looked at my notes yet but t was close).  With luck I can get the debarker back in action an save some bands though if I get 500bf out of a band I don't think WM says you can get much more (guess I'll find out) though I know some sawyers here say they can mill 1000-1500bf to a band so perhaps I'll see that today.
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on March 25, 2017, 09:39:08 AM
Hey Eric sounds like you are having a good time on this job. When you can get near 500BF average per log the hourly production figure looks real good for the day and are very gratifying.

On Douglas Fir I dont know what kind of a BF/sharp cycle volume is possible. I have only ever cut about 5 or 6 logs of it so no first hand experience to go by really. In white spruce and lodge pole pine I typically get over 1500 and some time close to 2000 if the logs are clean.

I do know that I get quite a bit more lumber cut with bands I sharpen my self which is why new bands go on the sharpener and setter BEFORE they go on the mill. 
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Post by: 4x4American on March 25, 2017, 09:40:54 AM
Sometimes, if you're getting a crown on the cant, and the debarker doesnt seem to be cutting in line, the blade isn't cutting properly.  Were the logs potentially frozen or half frozen?  sounds to me like half frozen logs.  You might notice your blade is cutting a different line than the debarker is, but really it's the blades fault, not the debarker out of adjustment.  If you're cutting doug fir, and it's frozen, I found that I would have to change the blade very frequently.  What I found worked best for me in frozen doug fir was a .050" 1-1/2" Kasco 7/35 blade set at .012".  The turbos didn't work very well for me in this particular instance.  I think the shallower gullet helped somehow.  And maintain a steady feed rate. 
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Post by: paul case on March 25, 2017, 10:19:45 AM
That half frozen log thing really causes strange troubles. Logs that get froze solid can stay frozen for quite a while on the inside. Frozen inside and thawed outside causes just the kind of trouble you were having.

PC
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 25, 2017, 11:47:47 PM
Hmmmmm hadn't thought about the logs being frozen.  Interesting.  They certainly were frozen all winter but I don't think they are frozen now.  I figure I'm going through 500bf to 600bf a band though I got more like 900 on one today.  Frankly I'm wondering if these just weren't sharpened very well.  I get one log out of most bands and then it's off the mill and a new one goes on.  I can tell by the singing of the band and the wavy cuts they start to make.  Soon as I change out the band it's smooth sailing again.

I adjusted the debarker and it's perfect now I think but I still went through 6 1/2 bands today in over 8 hours.  Though it looks like I milled over 3200 bf today and about 40 boards were 1 1/8" by 13 1/2 to 17 1/2" (customer wanted them wide as I could get).

Biggest log I did today was at least 600bf (that I remember) as it was 26" at the small end and 17 1/2' long (ok actually 17'9")....many were 24" logs but I don't think I did any over 26" today (again, small end).....long day of milling but I'm loving the big production numbers :)

Back at it again tomorrow for my last 6 bands (I only brought 19 or 20 bands total)...

Going to buy a new box of 10 degree double hards to add to my total so I can mill next weekend and then this customer is thinking I should be back in either 2 or 3 weeks!  Of course with my hourly rate and milling near 500bf/hr who wouldn't? ;)
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Post by: 4x4American on March 26, 2017, 12:03:16 AM
10 degree blades what are you still in the 90s lol c'mon get with the times its 7 and 4 degrees now thats what all the cool kids are doing lol
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 26, 2017, 07:59:08 AM
I tried some Turbo 7's but never really found they were made a noticeable difference for me (though I probably need to try them some more).....what differences are there on the 7's and 4's compared to the 10's?  Faster mill speed?  Longer milling?  More band life?   (I ask even if you still use 10's but know the differences).

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/BigLog.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1490528864)
Here's a 600bf log on the deck :)  This one was 26" DIA/SE and might have been the biggest of the day.  Had to rotate the sweep the up to mill off the 'horns' first as I couldn't get the head past them.  When I do this I make a straight line with my lumber pencil to mark the way I want my lumber to lay with it comes off the mill then I rotate the log up, take the 'horns' off and continue as usual but with that visual reminder to tell me where I want my width and height to be.

I did have to trim one butt to get the head past (might have been this one) and a couple big ends (little wedge cut with the chainsaw) during the day.

Got 6 bands left and then I'm calling it a weekend and heading home.  I'll order 15 new bands tomorrow so I'll have some for next weekends 59 logs :D and then I might be in Prosser milling a walnut up after that.  This customer wants me back too so that might round out the first month / month and a ha of milling nicely:)
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Post by: 4x4American on March 26, 2017, 08:15:12 AM
Faster feed rate while maintaining good cut quality is what it boils down to.  The gullet carrying capacity on the turbo 7's is the special sauce.  The 7/34's have a deeper gullet than the 10's do.  I saw mostly hardwoods, and I find that no other blade cuts the way a turbo does on my mill.  Especially in frozen/half frozen.  All the shallow gullet blades just don't do it for me.  Now that I know what I'm missing I won't go back.  10 degree blades are the blades of yesteryear, we have to move forward with the technology.  Bandsaw technology has come a long DanG way.  I couldn't cut hard maple very well before.  I hated the stuff.  Now, armed with the turbos, I can cut hard maple.  I've been in front of a customer before trying to saw his 4' hunk of hard maple that was just as wide as I could cut.  It was really hard.  I couldn't cut it flat for nothin.  Well after going through many different blades, I remembered I had a new turbo that the wm dealer gave me to try.  Put that blade on and we were in business.  Been sold ever since.  In my application, they are just the ticket.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 26, 2017, 08:17:25 AM
Put the days totals in my laptop where I keep my spreadsheets of all my jobs and the 'real' total (not my chicken scratch in the field) is in! :D

Day one:  3769bf @ 457bf/hr
Day two:  3760bf @ 443bf/hr

I had to double check those numbers because they were so close I couldn't believe it but it's accurate :)  I milled over 100 2x12's (all of his logs are just shy of 18 feet long so I'm calling them 17 1/2 footers), same again in 2x6's and 1x (near enough) and milled several beams (those help a ton don't they).

All in all that's the most I've ever milled in two days and I can say that those big logs take time but they sure produce :)

I'll post a few more pics etc when I'm done (so tomorrow I'm thinking)....time to get myself moving now.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 26, 2017, 08:20:07 AM
Quote from: 4x4American on March 26, 2017, 08:15:12 AM
Faster feed rate while maintaining good cut quality is what it boils down to. 

Some say that's true for a 35hp mill but it isn't the same or a 26.5hp mill.....I'll have to pull those out and try them on a big log and see what it does.  Wish I'd brought them this trip!
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Post by: 4x4American on March 26, 2017, 08:37:16 AM
Ohhh, l for some reason I was thinking you had same engine I do.  Give the 7/34's a try.  They aren't bad.  Or the Kasco 7/35.  Cutting Edge ff member sells them
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 27, 2017, 12:10:50 AM
10000+ bf produced this weekend  8) and about 20 bands utilized!  :o

But hey, the mill should be paid for now ;) and I'm booked for the next 4 or 5 weekends now :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 27, 2017, 09:07:25 AM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/BigLog.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1490528864) 
17.5' x26" log on the mill -- they were all big logs though some were 'only' 19" most were in the 22"+ range

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_1346_281024x76729.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1490619548)
This customer was WELL setup with a forklift to haul everything from the mill to the location to stack and sticker

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_1349_281024x76829.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1490619549)
And a big loader to grab logs and bring them to the mill.  He'd set them in front of the forks and gently roll them onto the forks so I could lift the log up on the deck.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_1352_281024x76829.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1490619550)
When I was leaving and thinking about milling this 'big butt' it occurred to me I should have tried MM's lowering the side supports and pushing the log over towards the tower more, then I might not have had to rotate it around so much to 'gun barrel' it enough to get the head past.  Remind me to try that when I return in two weeks!

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_1353_281024x76829.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1490619550)
Another 500+ bf log on the mill....aren't they all?  8) :D I might not know what to do with 'pecker poles' now!

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_20170325_181829331_281024x57629.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1490619551)
End of the day and ready to pull down the umbrella and head to my cabin for rest.

I'm booked for 3 weekends solid now, maybe 4 and I still have a job in Mazama to do and one in Okanogan :D  8)
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Post by: Magicman on March 27, 2017, 09:17:10 AM
 smiley_clapping

Your pride is justified and I congratulate you for your hard earned success.
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Post by: Darrel on March 27, 2017, 09:20:10 AM
FUN FUN FUN!!!
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Post by: Peter Drouin on March 27, 2017, 12:13:30 PM
After cutting the bigger logs, You won't like the little ones no more. :D :D :D :D
Who said hard work don't pay.
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Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 27, 2017, 12:34:52 PM
One thing I noticed was that cutting 1x21's takes a long time.  Some bands seemed to take nearly a minute to pass through but I have one wider band (no idea where it came from other than WM must have tossed it in as a replacement) which seemed to mill through faster (about 35 secs on a 17.5 footer).

I was going through bands like crazy and am wondering if it was just all the wide cuts?  After all, I was making 20+ inch cant's at times (wane on the small end).

I also think these logs were pretty dry and that might have had something to do with it.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 27, 2017, 02:09:57 PM
Thanks Guys :)  It's been a journey!

I just ordered 15 more 10 degree bands (it's what I know and WM says I should get 750-1000bf per band but that if the logs were dry that would reduce their life).

I also ordered two 4 degree bands on their advice.  I want to try them on the big logs to see how they do as it sounds like they may be the ticket on big dryer logs.
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Post by: Peter Drouin on March 27, 2017, 09:01:10 PM
Over time you won't think about the blades. Once you find the one or two [style] that works for you. You want them to last as long as it can. But, sawing is the $$$$. Blades get used up like gas for your truck.
So when they're dull from one log or 20. Just put on a sharp one and go.  smiley_guitarist smiley_trap_drummer
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 28, 2017, 10:05:02 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_20170325_140403169_HDR_281024x57629~0.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1490753071)
Hard at it on a big log :)
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Post by: paul case on March 28, 2017, 11:23:34 PM
MAN that background sure is beeeautiful.

PC
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Post by: Ljohnsaw on March 28, 2017, 11:46:43 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on March 28, 2017, 10:05:02 PM
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Hard at it on a big log :)
Sort of looks like it... Did you use the MM trick to saw that bad boy?
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 28, 2017, 11:57:39 PM
No but I remembered it later and will next time
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Post by: Weekend_Sawyer on March 30, 2017, 04:00:50 PM

Man, you are rippin and runnin!
Can you add your grand total every now and then.
That way we get to watch your progress to the million bf club.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 30, 2017, 04:21:33 PM
Thanks :)  I'm over 50,000bf now at around 53500 but I'd have to double check my figures :)

I should pass 60k by the end of the month (April) and with luck will break 100k this year :)
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Post by: fishfighter on March 30, 2017, 05:53:53 PM
Quote from: paul case on March 28, 2017, 11:23:34 PM
MAN that background sure is beeeautiful.

PC

It is, but I don't see no trees, just logs to dust. :D
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Post by: BrentWV on March 31, 2017, 10:58:32 AM
A while ago you said the top rail on your mill rusted. I cover mine with inch and a half plastic pipe with a half inch slot cut in it.It snappes on tight and keep the AFT from washing off.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 31, 2017, 12:15:52 PM
Quote from: BrentWV on March 31, 2017, 10:58:32 AM
A while ago you said the top rail on your mill rusted. I cover mine with inch and a half plastic pipe with a half inch slot cut in it.It snappes on tight and keep the AFT from washing off.

Good idea!  What do you do for the bottom rail?  Same thing?
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Post by: Magicman on March 31, 2017, 01:12:59 PM
No, you could not prevent it from trapping water on the bottom rail.  My sawmill is exposed to the weather 24/7 and all that the top rail ever gets is an oil wipe down.  Of course it is never idle more than a couple of weeks.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 31, 2017, 01:57:12 PM
I made the mistake of letting mine sit int he snow for three months uncovered.  I planned to cover it and then the snow beat me to it.  The rust is mostly gone now ;) but I hate it!  I got the wire brush out and worked it over pretty well and recoated it but next winter it will be covered.
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Post by: ncsawyer on March 31, 2017, 03:32:16 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on March 31, 2017, 12:15:52 PM
Quote from: BrentWV on March 31, 2017, 10:58:32 AM
A while ago you said the top rail on your mill rusted. I cover mine with inch and a half plastic pipe with a half inch slot cut in it.It snappes on tight and keep the AFT from washing off.

Good idea!  What do you do for the bottom rail?  Same thing?

Mine stays under a shelter when not in use (I sometimes saw under the shelter, if the logs are at home), but I use PVC pipe with just as described above on the top rail of my mill.  Even under the shelter if the wind blows hard enough it can get some moisture on the rails and make them want to rust.

If I do end up getting a little rust on them, I use some steel wool to get it off.  But mine gets run most weekends so I don't ever have to worry about it too much. 
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Post by: Kbeitz on March 31, 2017, 03:37:10 PM
Try the green kitchen scratch pads...
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Post by: BrentWV on March 31, 2017, 04:37:33 PM
I guess mine didn't sit long enough for the bottom one to rust. It always felt slick with ATF.
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Post by: 4x4American on March 31, 2017, 08:56:11 PM
The bottom rail has a sliding ground on it.  Don't put atf on it!!
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on March 31, 2017, 11:34:07 PM
The MOST effective product I have found for the copper strip AND the rails (top & bottom)is Amsoil MPF. It works so well I havent touched either of those components with a wire brush in the last year and a bit. Rust/corrosion is not really an issue with faithful use of the MPF.

ATF does not touch my mill any where for any reason. My over all maintenance is much cleaner and less time consuming as a result.

My felt wiper does not pick up near the sawdust because it doesnt stick to the lubricant.   
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Post by: 4x4American on March 31, 2017, 11:40:36 PM
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This stuff BB?
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on April 01, 2017, 04:15:10 PM
Yes that is the stuff and I may have to get someone to send me a few cans. Can't get the heavy duty stuff up here any more it seems. The lighter duty stuff does work pretty good but do have to use more of it.
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 03, 2017, 09:01:33 AM
Crap!!!  :( >:(

Customer distracted me during setup and I ran the guide arm into the ramps!!!@. It's tweaked but still seems to be tracking correctly just the guard appears damaged.

I'm thinking I should have it replaced?  Cost?  Easy to do yourself?  Need WM?

Rough day yesterday with 3 bands hitting nails lots of unruly knots in the logs and almost all logs 20' 6" but not real big...still getting it done though and will put in a full day today before heading home.
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Post by: paul case on April 03, 2017, 09:07:03 AM
All 3 of the woodmizers I have had that guard on the front of the guide arm break and fall off or make so much racket we took them off. Makes blade changing a little easier. I know that s a safety guard, but we never have a off bearer in front of the mill head.
I always seem to have the biggest screw ups when someone is watching.
PC
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Post by: Magicman on April 03, 2017, 06:17:40 PM
Erik, how about a picture.  I am thinking that you are talking about the guard/tray that hangs below the blade?  That is some tough metal, but heating should allow you to straighten it enough to be OK. 
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Post by: terrifictimbersllc on April 04, 2017, 06:36:38 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on April 03, 2017, 09:01:33 AM
Crap!!!  :( >:(

Customer distracted me during setup and I ran the guide arm into the ramps!!!@. It's tweaked but still seems to be tracking correctly just the guard appears damaged.

I'm thinking I should have it replaced?  Cost?  Easy to do yourself?  Need WM?

New guide arm is about $140.  I've broken mine off twice at the weld where the guide roller mount is attached and both times re-welded it, the first time myself and the second time by a friend who knows how to weld. It won't break there again.

Can't say about yours but most of the repair is about checking and re-alignment which is part of what you do anyway in an alignment.  The guide arm should travel parallel to the bed from in to out maybe 1/32 higher when it's out than in (vertical alignment).  And it should travel in/out so it is always the same distance behind the roller to the blade (horizontal alignment). And it should be tight in the rollers (when it is al the way in, you should not be able to move it sideways or up/down.  All of these 3 are accomplished by adjusting the arm guide rollers according to instructions in the manual.   :P

It is special fun to adjust the rollers using the cam bolts and the double lock nuts.  As someone said somewhere else maybe make sure you don't need to go to the bathroom before you begin.  :laugh:
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Post by: Ga Mtn Man on April 04, 2017, 07:45:52 AM
Ramps?  ???
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 04, 2017, 09:07:42 AM
Quote from: Ga Mtn Man on April 04, 2017, 07:45:52 AM
Ramps?  ???

haha I was pretty tired....loading arms (and bases/feet)....they were still up.

Thanks everyone for the comments.  I'll have to check out the alignment but it appeared to be fine as I bent the guard not the arm it seems.  Only trouble I had was changing the band with the arm in vs out.  With it out I had no issue.  I'll get pics today.

Milled up over 5000'bf this weekend (thanks to a ton of big beams) and ran through a wack of bands.  Had to stop yesterday around 9am and tighten the drive belts.  I'd hit a knot (which i usually buck off ahead of loading the log if I notice them) and it stopped the head cold!  Drive belts smoked before I hit the stop!!!  :o :o

Was down around 13#'s so I checked it out and cussed a little and got it just over 14#'s and carried on
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 04, 2017, 12:30:24 PM
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The bulk of my weekends production :)

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Hard at it

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Making sawdust :)

Still have to do the math on the weekend.  Day one was 2370bf I believe and about 1/3rd of that pile.....
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Post by: submarinesailor on April 04, 2017, 01:02:02 PM
Quote from: Bandmill Bandit on April 01, 2017, 04:15:10 PM
Yes that is the stuff and I may have to get someone to send me a few cans. Can't get the heavy duty stuff up here any more it seems. The lighter duty stuff does work pretty good but do have to use more of it.

BB - I checked the AMSOIL website and found that it is "NOT AVAILABLE IN CANADA".....along with several other AMSOIL products.  Looked at the MSDS sheets and they had one for the US, but for Canada. http://www.amsoil.com/msds/AMH.pdf

NOTE:  Been using it for MANY years on many different things and really like it.  IMHO - it rates right up there with Kevin and Tammy's "Blue Stuff" (Blue Creeper). ;D
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 04, 2017, 01:40:01 PM
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A little dark but here's the new mill truck :)  2010 F350 4x4 super cab :)  I love it!

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Left late (7pm) and booted it home at 5over all the way including 75 on the interstate (about 25 miles of the 115mile drive) and averaged 12.2mpg :D  8)

My old F150 would have been screaming at me on the interstate and probably would have gotten between 7 and 9mpg so I'm pretty happy with the diesel :)  Best I did in the F150 was 10mpg at 60mph and it was a smaller truck (lighter by a bunch) and had the 5.4l gasser in it.
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 04, 2017, 01:41:06 PM
and yes that's with the mill in tow!
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 04, 2017, 01:56:54 PM
Milled up some fir this weekend that had been down THREE YEARS.....guys meter showed it at 18-20%.....and milled 'ok' but I went through bands faster than I am used to.  I think I used 13 bands but 4 hit nails so call it 10...and about 6k board feet...seems good right?  Now!  Most of that footage was beams (8x8's and 8x10's mostly) so I figure I should have gone through less bands...

I'm thinking the dry logs were the cause of all the band usage...thoughts?

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Post by: Darrel on April 04, 2017, 06:12:09 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on April 04, 2017, 01:41:06 PM
and yes that's with the mill in tow!

After running a diesel, I'll never go back to gas. Passing fuel pumps without a worry cuppeled with never lacking power makes gasoline so yesterday!
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Post by: Peter Drouin on April 04, 2017, 07:32:00 PM
Good, it's all working out for you Oljarhead. With the days getting longer means more sawing. [ Nice truck]
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 06, 2017, 12:39:22 AM
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Arrived today to this big walnut and bucked it in half (ok 6' and 8' sections the customers dad had tried to cut but his saw wouldn't do it) and trimmed it up a with with my awesome 576XP and a 24" bar...the 32" bar wasn't needed but I put it there for context....yes it's a 32" bar and the saw has a 24" on it...gives you an idea how big this sucker was.

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Used MM's trick to load the log (with a chain on the clamp) and then used MM's tick with the backstops :)  OH yes I love this forum!  THANKS LYNN!!!!

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That mill head is at the 'STOP HERE" sign LOL ya, it's a tall sucker.

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Took me 6 hours to mill that first log up and only got about 372bf out of it (lots of slabs and flitches that they didn't want though).

The next log which was 24" at the small end (with a flat surface already on it from breaking) and over 32" at the base took me two hours.  Mostly of fiddling around to get it right and then I milled some cookies out of the crook and some 'coffee table tops' out of some slabs that were just right for it.

Total billing was 6 hours (including some chainsaw work) so the customer was happy and i don't think you can buy walnut for $1 per BF which is probably what it cost him (have to do the math still).

One problem though!  I smoked my drive belts TWICE!  Band just stopped and before I killed the drive it started smoking.  Guess I need to check tension again and order some new drive belts just in case.

Here are some pics of the guide arm I bent...honestly I think it's ok and it just got tweaked a little...I did have to 'pop' it back down and the gaurd seems a little lower than it was before and maybe bent (seems to get in a way a little when changing bands unless I push the arm inward half way or so) but otherwise doesn't seem to be a problem.


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Thoughts?
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Post by: Magicman on April 06, 2017, 07:50:22 AM
Just heat it and bend it back.  You don't want that tray any lower than original because it will compromise your dog board cut.
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 06, 2017, 10:02:03 AM
Thanks MM I was thinking about that every time I got down close to the bed ;)

On the above job I estimated 610bf produced.  Why estimated?  I made some cookies and table tops which I only roughly recorded the dimensions of and didn't bother doing the real math on ;)  3" thick for the table tops roughly 20" across at the widest and 2 and 3 feet long...cookies were 2" thick by 12" wide some of which cracked but I still milled them...and he can put them back together if he wants to ;)

Still, didn't count flitches that I left there...about 6 all 2" thick and 10-16" wide all 6' long.....
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 06, 2017, 10:03:56 AM
Just under 59,000bf on the mill so far (in a year and a month)....will be sending off the final check to pay off the mill now :)  8)

Also need to change the oil and filter....and do some maintenance...and check those drive belts and tension, and the break and....and....and....
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on April 06, 2017, 10:16:15 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on April 06, 2017, 10:03:56 AM
Just under 59,000bf on the mill so far (in a year and a month)....will be sending off the final check to pay off the mill now :)  8)

Also need to change the oil and filter....and do some maintenance...and check those drive belts and tension, and the break and....and....and....

Congrats on getting the mill paid down in one year. Good job!

And yes the maintenance goes with territory. It is mostly pretty easy to do though.

TIP; I use a small round  margarine container under the oil filter to reduce the mess of changing the filter. Have used a wad of paper towel too but still leaves some mess either way.   
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Post by: Deese on April 06, 2017, 03:14:59 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on April 06, 2017, 10:03:56 AM
Just under 59,000bf on the mill so far (in a year and a month)....will be sending off the final check to pay off the mill now :)  8)

Also need to change the oil and filter....and do some maintenance...and check those drive belts and tension, and the break and....and....and....

Paid off the mill in a year...that's impressive. Thanks for keeping everyone updated with how things are going. It seems that you are loving every minute of it. Being successful doing what you love. That's the American dream. Heck yeah!
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Post by: Darrel on April 06, 2017, 03:33:59 PM
Paying the mill off has to be exciting!  I'll bet you won't have any trouble figuring out how to spend all that extra money.
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Post by: GAB on April 07, 2017, 01:35:57 PM
Quote from: Darrel on April 06, 2017, 03:33:59 PM
Paying the mill off has to be exciting!  I'll bet you won't have any trouble figuring out how to spend all that extra money.

Ah-yup
Pay for the camper and then upgrade to an LT70 WIDE.
Congratulations on your success.
NOTE: It just might be wise to consult with your financial adviser.
Gerald
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 09, 2017, 12:43:45 AM
added another 3370 board feet today  8)  Nothing like big logs to make the numbers go up!

Last log was 24" at the small end...most are around 20-22" and I am making a lot of sawdust!

One problem I had was the drive belt jumped off one groove.  Customer saw it while I was trying to figure out why I was down on power.  Got it back and and went back to milling.  All seems well now and I'm sitting at 15lbs on the drive belt which is a little tight but I figure tight is better than loose!
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Post by: fishfighter on April 09, 2017, 06:53:56 AM
You might want to inspect that belt to see if the outside edge grove hasn't been cut or breaking. That, or maybe something got hooked up in between the belt and pulleys, burning the belt. Once a belt starts jumping, they will keep doing that. :(
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 09, 2017, 09:43:25 AM
Thanks...Figured I needed to order a new one.

Bent the guide arm guard back with a wrench.  No heat needed.  The guy I am milling for is a mechanic and his cousin a farmer.  Both looked at it and said "big crescent" and sure enough ouch it bent easily back.

The 4 degree bands seemed to cut faster and flatter on the big logs and I think the turbo 7's too...Might have to get a box for the bigger wood and save the tens for pecker poles. )
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Post by: Magicman on April 09, 2017, 04:15:44 PM
You will find that when the 4's get dull, they are dull.  They loose their tendency to pull into the cut. 
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 10, 2017, 12:28:04 AM
 

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Have sawmill, will travel :)

Over 6800bf this weekend....had the drive belt jump one row off but we put it back on and kept going....did some more 21" 1x's and man those things eat the bands!

Camper did well except the heater (mentioned in camper thread) and it was GREAT to finish milling, tidy up, pour a drink and chat around the camp fire until bed time :)
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Post by: Ljohnsaw on April 10, 2017, 01:00:10 AM
Now all you need is a washtub-burn barrel for a campfire.  They sit up off the ground and throw a lot of heat at ya.  If you make one out of a stainless steel tub, they are very light.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: fishfighter on April 10, 2017, 07:20:42 AM
With that camper on your road trips, that is going to save you a lot of time and money. For sure it will give you more time to saw. ;D
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 10, 2017, 10:16:28 AM
Agreed!  I was hoping for at least 8mpg with the camper and mill in tow...I got 11.8mpg going to the job site (115 miles)!  On the return I was heading into a strong wind (and side wind if not head) and kept it at 55 for a while which I found got lower mileage (the wind didn't help) due to the gearing and shift points in 'tow/haul' mode but once the wind let up 30 miles to the south I picked it up to 60 and managed to get 10.5mpg on the home trip (after seeing 9.3mpg into the wind).....

At 8mpg I would have saved $40+ this weekend :D  SO ya, it's a money saver for me!  Now I just need to sort it out and get my basket made for the mill (working on that too) so I have a place for everything instead of strapped on the mill 'Beverly Hill-Billies' style.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on April 10, 2017, 01:40:26 PM
A front receiver hitch and "hitchhiker" type cargo carrier might work:  LINK (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=receiver+hitch+cargo+carrier&qpvt=receiver+hitch+cargo+carrier&qpvt=receiver+hitch+cargo+carrier&qpvt=receiver+hitch+cargo+carrier&FORM=IGRE)
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Post by: Weekend_Sawyer on April 10, 2017, 01:48:15 PM
Quote from: Magicman on April 10, 2017, 01:40:26 PM
A front receiver hitch and "hitchhiker" type cargo carrier might work:  LINK (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=receiver+hitch+cargo+carrier&qpvt=receiver+hitch+cargo+carrier&qpvt=receiver+hitch+cargo+carrier&qpvt=receiver+hitch+cargo+carrier&FORM=IGRE)

with the camper and towing the mill, I would be afraid of blocking too much airflow to the radiator.
My 2cents.
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 10, 2017, 01:51:53 PM
Hadn't thought of that but it might work.  Wonder what it would do to cooling in the summer?
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on April 10, 2017, 01:54:04 PM
MM,

   Are you suggesting putting a receiver hitch on front and one of the cargo carriers like on the link? I have never seen one used like that and would think it would cause problems with the air flow to the radiator.

   I have seen people put a ball hitch on the front of a truck and push a boat trailer around. That works real well and would work well for the mill putting it in tight spots.
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Post by: Magicman on April 10, 2017, 02:33:19 PM
It's just a thought.  I see no reason that it would not work with my truck because the container would be well below the radiator.  Wouldn't need a tall container anyway.  I measured and the bottom of the basket would be 15" below the top of my front bumper.


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Oh no, it would temporarily block my Route 66 sign and winch fairlead.   :o
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 10, 2017, 02:35:46 PM
Looks like an F350....what year is yours?
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 10, 2017, 03:34:27 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/Malott.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1491852827)
A friend of my last customer posted this pic on Facebook (on my page) today :)

That log scaled in at 463bf....I'm making 2x6's or 6x6's in this pic.

I do find it's fast to mill the 3 6" beams and then kick one off, mill two down and bring the 3rd back up and mill it down until I can use it as backing for the flichtes.  I also find milling 18-24" wide cuts eats the bands up faster and gives me less bf per band.  Probably just from heat because no matter how much water I pour on the the band they just got HOT after a  while...and I know they are getting dull (besides the sound) when they come out steaming from the water lube.

Had a guy come by and say he uses Diesel to lube when milling pine to prevent the blades gumming up and my customer said to him "why?  Erik uses piniesol and dish liquid and NONE of his bands get gummed up!".....gotta love it....oh and that guy?  Charges 50c per bf and my rates gave this customer his lumber at 21c/bf.....he calculated the cost to buy the first 10k bf would have been $19,000!  so he was VERY happy :)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Deese on April 10, 2017, 03:46:13 PM
OlJarhead, sir, you sure are a sawmillin' man!
Looks like you were about to rotate 90° and make some 2x4's
Nice backdrop too.  :)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 10, 2017, 04:07:11 PM
Quote from: Deese on April 10, 2017, 03:46:13 PM
OlJarhead, sir, you sure are a sawmillin' man!
Looks like you were about to rotate 90° and make some 2x4's
Nice backdrop too.  :)

Thanks :)...and that is an 18" CANT (actually 17 1/8") so I can make 2x6's out of it (1 5/8" x 5 5/8")....or it's the 18 1/4" CANT I made 6x6's out of :) (true)

I did a LOT of those!  So far for this customer I did 17,000bf which is the most I've milled for anyone!  His deck of 118 logs is down a few now ;) and as he put it "we're running out of punkin's" which is what he calls the big logs (24"+ at the small end).....he bought those logs for a whopping total of $1500 for ALL of them!  Then a guy with a mill 50 miles away offered him $300/Mbf for some of the logs! hahahaha  Man I wish I had that deal going ;)
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Post by: Deese on April 10, 2017, 04:09:22 PM
No Joke.
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 10, 2017, 04:19:22 PM
Funny thing....that 18" cant is more board feet than the log it came out of! hahaha
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Post by: Magicman on April 10, 2017, 06:01:46 PM
Looking good Erik, but who is that rookie guy behind the controls  ???   :D

That is a 2012 F250 gasser.
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 10, 2017, 06:18:00 PM
Oh I'm still very much a rookie!  8)
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Post by: Magicman on April 10, 2017, 06:25:59 PM
Anyone that thinks they aren't will hit their side support tomorrow.  Grrrrrr.   :o
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 10, 2017, 09:03:48 PM
Quote from: Magicman on April 10, 2017, 06:25:59 PM
Anyone that thinks they aren't will hit their side support tomorrow.  Grrrrrr.   :o
;D

I measure EVERY time I am close unless I'm 12" or higher on the mast.  My customer was watching me as I checked and doubled checked and when asked I explained "I do this in an attempt (emphasis) to not hit them!".....knock on wood!  It does help.
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 10, 2017, 10:06:50 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/April8-9.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1491876263)
OK I lied!  My total was over 7K this weekend :) and actually if you look carefully you'll notice something odd about the 19 footer.........ya, it made more than that! lol but I just included it as 17.5' because there were so many....

8) 8) 8) 8)

Either way, that's a whack of lumber for the weekend and I'm going back one more time!  I guess the log owner was approached about selling some thick pine for table tops so he's picking out logs to mill up on my next visit.  Gotta love it!  At the rate I'm going I'll mill darn near all of those 118 big logs  8) :o
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 10, 2017, 10:08:27 PM
and yes, I go by the half foot.  Not sure if anyone else does but it's 6" of log I have to mill regardless of what the customer will use and I charge by the hour anyway but for total milling purposes I don't short myself except I do call a 1 1/8" thick board a 1x for calculation purposes...
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 10, 2017, 10:54:36 PM
Finished up my logbook (excel spreadsheet where I record every job and what I did) and I'm at 67607 board feet produced on the Lt40 :)

Now I need to change the oil and filter, clean it up, replace some grease zerks, etc etc and get it all spruced up for the 22nd when I take off to Yakima to do a Walnut, then back to Malott the next weekend :) and work to get that sucker up over 70,000 board feet :)
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on April 11, 2017, 09:58:38 AM
2400 BF should be a leisurely days "walk" for you at this point. Enjoy the moment when you hit that 70K mark. Make sure you have a little something to celebrate along with you when you hit the mark.

Now you can start on the up grades like I did on my mill which will increase your production substantially. OR just trade up to the LT40 Super.
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Post by: Deese on April 11, 2017, 10:26:16 AM
OlJarhead, that's impressive  :)
It's exciting to think what your sawing future holds  8)
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 11, 2017, 02:33:50 PM
Thanks guys!  Can't wait :)  Though I should hit that by the end of the month now :)  I'll be sure to take some pics and celebrate but I imagine the 100K mark is the first big milestone.

Had a customer 212 miles away ask about my services...thinks he has 1000 board feet of logs LOL "you mean two logs right?"  oh wait, not everyone has logs like my last customer! ha!
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 11, 2017, 10:29:40 PM
 8) 8) 8) 8)

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_1429_281024x76829.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1491963673)

So, I got a call from this customer tonight and he asked me "do you want to mill every weekend for a while?"

Turns out the owner of a lumber yard about 40 miles away saw this stack of lumber and stopped in to inquire about it.  The local mill had shut down and he had no local supplier....he looked over all the lumber (of which there is now over 17,000 board feet) and the 70 remaining logs and said "I'll buy all the lumber you have right now".....my customer said "wait until you see my flooring boards" and walked him into his shop where he'd stacked all the 1 1/8" Fir I'd milled (varying widths from 12 to 21") and the guy nearly died and offered a 'whole lot' of money for it.

My customer is considering selling the lot because, as he put it, it's a lot of money!

He's also now going to get 32 more logs and tells me the lumber yard guy offered him $500Mbf for the logs and to pay my mill rate to produce 1x's out of ALL of it....

um...  :o 8) 8) 8) 8)

So I might be busy :)

He also looked at the beams and nearly flipped.  Apparently where he is he can get top dollar for true (full cut) rough sawn beams and wanted to haul it all off but my customer suggested maybe he'd want to keep it and have me come out and mill the rest up....

That camper might get some use ;)

If this happens I will surpass last years total easily! lol.....granted 1x's take a lot longer then say, 2x's but I'll buy some 4 degree bands, new drive belts and darn sure make a run at it ;)  Maybe I can still do 5Mbf a weekend with 1x...not sure yet but those logs are pretty big and run from 250 to 464bf per log.

Anyway, I'm pouring a drink and will take a 'wait and see' attitude but it sure sounds like the guy wants it ALL milled by me and tried very hard to buy all the product I made so far.

OH and the final check on the mill goes out tomorrow.  I meant to send it off a week or so ago but never got it done :P  It goes out tomorrow and today I'm dancing :D  8) 8) 8)

Do this job and the truck will be paid off in a year too! ha!
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Post by: 4x4American on April 11, 2017, 10:52:07 PM
 8) 8) 8)




If you want to saw quick, go with 7 degree blades.  If you're sawing something tough to saw then bust out the 4.
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Post by: paul case on April 11, 2017, 11:25:35 PM
Nice score!

Most of my business is repeat customers. You and they know what to expect, and that makes it handy!!!

PC
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 11, 2017, 11:43:09 PM
Quote from: 4x4American on April 11, 2017, 10:52:07 PM
8) 8) 8)




If you want to saw quick, go with 7 degree blades.  If you're sawing something tough to saw then bust out the 4.



Was wondering what the difference between the. Would be.  I am assuming non turbos?
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Post by: thecfarm on April 12, 2017, 05:41:23 AM
Sounds like you are doing good. And than some.  :)
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Post by: Peter Drouin on April 12, 2017, 06:26:17 AM
Good job, But all your BF number are all off.
2x6x17.5 is 17.5 bf not 18 bf. And your cutting 1 5/8x 5x5/8x17.5 that's 13.3
You're adding up air.
Don't feel bad Magicman dose the same thing.
Cut small lumber and figure full size on the BF.,
I know you work by the hour and not by the BF.
If you do work by the BF, Best be good on the adding thing, some customers are good at it and will not like paying for 1000bf and have 850 bf in the pile.

I mean no disrespect to you. In NH the whole timber thing. Logs or lumber, the numbers have to add up right.   
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Post by: 4x4American on April 12, 2017, 07:05:50 AM
In hardwoods I find the turbo 7's blow the non turbos 7's away.  In softwoods they seem pretty similar far as I can tell but I don't saw enough softwood and I'm not sitting there timing my cuts with different blades but they feel similar.
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Post by: Ben Cut-wright on April 12, 2017, 08:13:58 AM
'Saw' that WoodMizer acknowledged your recent BF total.  Congratulations. 
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 12, 2017, 08:30:03 AM
Quote from: Ben Cut-wright on April 12, 2017, 08:13:58 AM
'Saw' that WoodMizer acknowledged your recent BF total.  Congratulations.

They did?  Where?

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Post by: OlJarhead on April 12, 2017, 08:37:47 AM
Quote from: Peter Drouin on April 12, 2017, 06:26:17 AM
Good job, But all your BF number are all off.
2x6x17.5 is 17.5 bf not 18 bf. And your cutting 1 5/8x 5x5/8x17.5 that's 13.3
You're adding up air.
Don't feel bad Magicman dose the same thing.
Cut small lumber and figure full size on the BF.,
I know you work by the hour and not by the BF.
If you do work by the BF, Best be good on the adding thing, some customers are good at it and will not like paying for 1000bf and have 850 bf in the pile.

I mean no disrespect to you. In NH the whole timber thing. Logs or lumber, the numbers have to add up right.

OK, Excel rounds off unless you force it to show the actual number but it adds/multiplies by the actual so by a simple change it shows the following:


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/April8-9-2.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1492000267)
Same total but correctly showing the decimal ;)

No disrespect taken.  I've long struggled with this but much of what I read seemed to lean towards going by the full dimension vs the nominal.  What makes it even worse is that many charge 1" for anything under 1" because it takes them longer to mill 3/4" than 1" and when I first got started I remember a discussion about the total on a pile of my lumber which I calculated true (milled to 3/4") vs at 1"......

Anyway, guess I struggle with this all the time because I agree that if it's 1 5/8" it should be calc'd that way but for some reason got it in my head that people didn't do that and I charge by the hour.

To add to the mess, some of what I milled was 1 5/8 x 12" and some was 2" x 12" -- all a bit of a mix because this customer is really 3 or 4 pooled together under one guy.  He wants all full dimension stuff for his timber framed gazebo but wants nominal widths and full depths on this shop lumber.  Meanwhile his cousin or brother and sister wanted nominal everything and so on.....so I had to mark what I was making from time to time so they knew to separate.

He wanted, for example, one 6x12 and two 5 5/8 x 12's.....15 @ 5 5/8 x 5 5/8s and 15 @ 6x6....I wrote them down as the same but marked them with my lumber crayon so they knew which was which.

Anyway, I guess I need to know who does what?  Easy enough to calc based on actual vs what we call it.
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 12, 2017, 08:51:34 AM
Quote from: Ben Cut-wright on April 12, 2017, 08:13:58 AM
'Saw' that WoodMizer acknowledged your recent BF total.  Congratulations.

Ha!  Found it on FB :)  Thanks
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Post by: Gearbox on April 12, 2017, 09:26:26 AM
When you go to Big Box store do you buy a 2X4 or a 1 5/8 x 3 5/8 X 8 ? Still 3.3 BF .
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 12, 2017, 09:39:19 AM
Quote from: Gearbox on April 12, 2017, 09:26:26 AM
When you go to Big Box store do you buy a 2X4 or a 1 5/8 x 3 5/8 X 8 ? Still 3.3 BF .

You buy a KD 1.5x3.5 S4S actually....that started life as a 2x4 ;)

I don't' sell lumber nor charge by the board foot.  Just to be clear.  I charge by the hour, my totals are for information only and I record anything up to 1" as 1" (actually including 1 1/8")....at 1 5/8 I've called it 2".  I can change that easily enough, just thought that's what people did (way back convo made me think that)....of course it means a little more work for me since I mill all kinds of stuff (some customers want 2 1/8", some want milled at 2" so they get 1 7/8", some want 1 5/8 and so on -- I've milled all kinds) and rather than trying to record exactly what I was milling each new job I put down the nominal dimension and went with it...seemed easy in the field.

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Post by: Magicman on April 12, 2017, 09:53:20 AM
I make no apology for my scaling or billing method.  My sawing contract that both the customer and I sign before the sawing job begins clearly states how the lumber will be scaled and billed.

Note that I do not buy logs nor sell lumber.  I sell a sawing service and I saw logs/lumber that meets the specifications of the customer.  Depending upon the job, I saw by both bf and hourly rate.  Whichever is cheaper for the customer is what I charge.  I will also sometimes quote a linear foot rate to give the customer a method of comparison: .20 for 2X4, .30 for 2X6, .40 for 2X8, .50 for 2X10, & .60 for 2X12.

I am in my 15th year of sawing and have never had a conflict regarding sawing or billing.
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Post by: Andries on April 12, 2017, 10:03:10 AM
Not even gonna try to compete with the Big Box Store either.
One week I'm cranking out stair tread blanks at 10" by 24" by 60".
"No knots or checks please!"
Next week it's shelves at 4" by 20" by 48".
Then its 16' long slabs for a fake log wall.
"Use the logs with centre rot, ok?"
Next month it's half logs 40' long for roof decking.
"As wide as you can make it!"

Keeping track of board feet wouldn't make much sense. For both the customer and me.
By the hour, less paperwork and everybody is happy.
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 12, 2017, 10:13:41 AM
I too use a contract but my contract is very simple.  It states what I charge, any additional charges and my terms (payment at completion of work performed or something to that effect).

I should put something in my rate card about calculating board footages I suppose but I don't do it other than for informational purposes in the field.  I also do not put it on my invoice.  I put down the hours milled, mileage and delivery and if any bands ran into foreign objects and or any per diem I charged.  That's it.

So for example this past weekend I milled for 16 hours (actually 16.5 but didn't bill for the last half hour for a few good reasons -- like my customer seeing my drive belt came off before I did! lol)....and billed for that 16 hours, mobile setup and delivery and mileage and that's it.

I do find it's tough keeping track of what's milled during the day but have a couple ways to make it easier.  1.  I mark with a lumber crayon the lumber produced at the end of the day (bottom and top of stacks usually and a few deep into it just to be sure).  Red and blue and alternate days.  That way when I look to see what's there I can see each day easily enough.  2.  Tally as you go.  If the customer, like this one, is stacking on a forklift I let them know I need a count before they take it away and tally in my notebook.

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_1444_281024x69029.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1492006398)
Like that.
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Post by: Andries on April 12, 2017, 11:26:05 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on April 12, 2017, 10:13:41 AM
I should put something in my rate card about calculating board footages I suppose but I don't do it, other than for informational purposes in the field.  I also do not put it on my invoice. 

.... and I guess that's what I was trying to say.
We all mill under different conditions, types of customers, "sawyer gypsy" or stationary for years. etc etc.
Our paperwork and billing is as varied as the trade is.

As the biologist said: "a succesful critter adapts to where he is."   :D
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 12, 2017, 01:00:26 PM
I like the kiss method ;)  Keep it simple.

Hourly works for me and seems to keep my customers happy too as it's easy to understand. 

My last customer had so many big logs he asked me to make deeper slabs and not worry too much about flitches unless they would yield 2x8's to 2x12's...can't say I minded.  He was happy :)
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Post by: sealark37 on April 12, 2017, 01:46:51 PM
Make sure that you have a clear understanding of the payment terms, including progress payments as well as final payment.  Good Luck.    Regards, Clark
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 12, 2017, 01:55:05 PM
I told the customer I'd mill under contract with the lumber yard owner.  Same standard contract, payment due at the end of each weekend (I'll be milling weekends only)....that way when I leave I'm paid and no having to hunt down payments ;)
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 12, 2017, 02:43:37 PM
Customer called and told me I should be getting a call from the lumber yard owner.  It's actually much closer than I though (maybe 10 miles away) and the guy has decided he wants a mix of 1x's, beams and other stuff all 12, 17.5 and 20'.

If he calls I'll give him my rate...if he wants it by the board foot I'll give him $350Mbf which should be better than I'm earning now but I don't do by the BF normally and figure there are too many factors that come into play to try giving him a lower rate...basically I need to earn my hourly rate and if I have to go by the bf I'll charge more to make sure I earn it ;)

My biggest worry milling by the bf is work slow downs with the help, unruly logs etc that end up taking longer.  Sure I'm mostly milling at or about 400bf/hr on these logs but if something happens and I'm dropping down to 200bf/hr I'd be making less (by enough that it matters to me)......

Might have to park the mill up there for a month ;) or more if he really wants it all.

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Post by: Andries on April 12, 2017, 03:52:36 PM
Congrats!
Things are looking good for a busy month of weekends on the mill, and maybe a good chunk of the truck getting paid off.  8)

Like the man said:
Quote from: sealark37 on April 12, 2017, 01:46:51 PM
Make sure that you have a clear understanding of the payment terms, including progress payments as well as final payment.  Good Luck.    Regards, Clark

Seems like solid advice from someone who's been there.
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Post by: Brucer on April 13, 2017, 12:27:16 AM
There are some conflicting opinions about how to calculate Board Feet.

Some people think you should measure the length (ft), width (in), and thickness (in) exactly, then multiply the three numbers and divide by 12. But what does "exactly" mean. And what if I saw a bunch of full dimension 1x8's and stack and sticker it, waiting for a customer. A customer comes by just after it's stacked and calculates the BF based on full 8" width. No problem. Another customer comes by a month later when the wood has dried and shrunk to 7-3/4" wide and wants to calculate the BF based on the actual width. Same wood (actually should be worth more because it's dry), but the customer expects to pay less. Naturally the customer who insists on the exact measurement for width and thickness doesn't expect to pay for the 3" trim allowance I add to my logs :D.

Other people think you should take the nominal dimension (e.g. a 1-½" x 3-½" piece of lumber has nominal dimensions of 2x4) and calculate the BF on that basis. If you follow this practice, you will inevitably meet people who accuse you of charging for "air".

Who's right? Well, the use of nominal dimensions is based on the concept of an "operational definition". The an operational definition defines a standard procedure that gives you consistent, reproducible results. For lumber the definition would say "multiply thickness (in) by width (ft) by length (ft) and this is how you measure them."

In Canada, the National Lumber Grades Authority provides the operational definition. Nominal thickness in inches mutliplied by nominal width in inches multiplied by length (in feet rounded down to a whole number) divided by 12. For 1" thick and less the calculation is simply nominal width multiplied by length (rounded down) divided by 12.

When I quote a board foot price I always tell the customer how I do the calculation and I give them the NLGA rule numbers (and show them the book if they want to see it). Most of the time I prefer to quote the different dimensions by the foot (timbers) or square foot (1" and less).

However ... before you accuse someone of charging for "air" (or worry about it if someone accuses you), just remember a couple of things.

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Post by: woodyone.john on April 13, 2017, 04:37:04 AM
OJH,I also charge by the hour plus  freight to and fro.I let it be known to the prospective  client that I will happily work with any labor or labor saving devices they have or choose to hire in order to get through the job quicker.I like them to know if they can get their stuff together its a win for them in terms of costs.After 15 years of charging by volume outturn and suffering from their inattention to detail, I might loose a few bucks by hourly rate, but now every job is a winner
cheers john
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Post by: Peter Drouin on April 13, 2017, 06:46:28 AM
I use to travel and cut for years and always figure the BF. For me, I charge by the BF. All ways made more money that way. If you know how to set up a job.
I do buy logs now, and sell a lot of lumber.
No more traveling.  8)

We have new guys coming here and wanting to mill logs and sell lumber, Just want them to be good at the math. Cutting or selling, That's what it's all about. Know how to figure for lumber cut,
Milling in NH you have to be on the money with the BF
just the way it is here.
Maybe it's the smile I get when I see a guy say he cut 10,000 bf of 1½x3½ and call it 2x4.
Numbers are not fact, Just a guess.

I don't care how you charge for the work you do, We all have a place I guess.
But, If I give you BF numbers on what I cut, they are a fact no air.
Best of luck to all who cut with there math. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 13, 2017, 09:16:16 AM
Doing the math on the last job, switching to exact dimension (as close as I can since some things, as mentioned earlier, were done full and some dimensional and I wrote down nominal throughout) and then multiplying by $350/Mbf which I believe is the going rate for softwoods in the area and I would have made 50% more on the job.

I did this because I wanted to see what I'd be looking at if the lumber yard wants to go by the board foot rather than the hour.  As long as I can mill 250bf/hr I'm making about the same as my hourly rate so I think I'd agree to that ($350/Mbf).
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 13, 2017, 04:41:35 PM
So the lumber yard owner wants $250/Mbf for milling (which could be an increase for me depending on what I'm cutting etc etc) but also told my customer it was the best lumber he'd seen.

My customer is thinking he may just offer the guy the end product stacked and stickered and pay me to mill it at my going rate ($85/hr) on a Net7 terms (so he has time to deliver and receive payment).  His argument is that the lumber yard owner wanted to send two guys with a truck and forklift to offbear and load which will cost him an additional amount and then pay $280/Mbf for the logs (all older logs in the 18-24" SED and 17.5' long).....

So, either I mill for the lumber yard owner directly or I keep my regular rate and mill for the customer on Net7 terms (which I think will be fine since this customer has been very good so far -- two visits).

I think the lumber yard owner is trying to work a deal since his old mill shut down.  I guess he has a guy with a manual mill that offered to do it at $250/Mbf but I'm told the guy normally charges twice that and works alone....can't imagine how he'd cut over 25-35Mbf alone in a short time though.  Heck with my mill it will take me several days if I keep up the pace...but he wants a lot of 1x's which we all know takes longer.

My advice to the customer was "if you want to do it yourself, do it under contract and be specific about what he's paying for and how it is measured.  I for one wouldn't sell a full cut 2x6 as a 1.5x5.5 unless the price was the same either way ;) "

Anyway, I think this is likely to happen but we shall see.
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Post by: 4x4American on April 13, 2017, 09:12:50 PM
Sawing directly for the lumber yard owner could lead to steady work, no?  Once you start dealing with the bigger boys you're gonna find everything is by the BF and your hourly rate will probably thrown out the window.  $250/mbf sounds good.  Now you need to get an edger! 
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 13, 2017, 10:39:12 PM
The more I've thought about it the more I think it would be a good way to see how I do ;)  He was impressed with the product and as long as I have decent logs I can produce ;)

I've stayed away from the BF pricing due to so many variables, one of which, I suppose, is that I found my niche ;)  Not many out here willing to do what I do and go where I go!
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on April 14, 2017, 11:01:04 AM
Erik,

  $250/mbf may be fine for 2" framing lumber but how about when you are cutting 4/4?Almost twice the number of cuts to get the same volume? You may want to think about different bf prices based on thickness.
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 18, 2017, 02:04:25 PM
Getting close!

Just received a call and my customer is meeting with the lumber yard owner tonight.  He's thinking of asking for $600Mbf for 1x12x17.5' (milled, stacked, stickered and ready to haul off -- he will deal with all waste etc).

Not sure if his price is fair or not since I don't sell lumber (or buy it) but I've given him a MM type arrangement:  My hourly rate or $350Mbf to mill whichever is LOWER.

That way if I can't produce 242BF/HR then he will get his lumber at $350Mbf but if I can produce at or above that (which I should have no problem doing) then I'll make my hourly rate.  It's about 100 logs all 17.5' long and typically 20-24" SED
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Post by: Deese on April 18, 2017, 04:04:15 PM
Get After It OldJarhead!!!   smiley_whip smiley_whip smiley_whip smiley_whip
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Post by: 4x4American on April 18, 2017, 06:41:52 PM
That is way low.  He must be getting the logs for real cheap?  And to get alot of 1x12's you need a good sized log.   Especially with stickering it.  As long as you get your $ I guess.  Make sure you tell him it's log run and not like d-sel/btr
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 18, 2017, 09:14:51 PM
He bought the first 118 logs for $1500
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 20, 2017, 10:25:28 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/image3~0.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1492741479)
Meanwhile I'm off to do this Walnut on Saturday....about a 98 mile drive to get there, mill these 3 'logs' and then pack up and head back.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: newoodguy78 on April 20, 2017, 10:40:35 PM
I hope for your sake they have a piece of equipment there,they don't look like they're gonna roll to easy  :D. I'm sure there will be nice looking lumber in them and plenty of it. Gotta love walnut
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 21, 2017, 10:50:22 AM
Two guys and two cant hooks is all we have but I'll have a chainsaw too if that's what it takes ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: newoodguy78 on April 21, 2017, 09:50:32 PM
Two guys with simple tools and a desire to make stuff happen can do amazing things. I commend your positive get er done attitude.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 23, 2017, 10:07:15 AM
We got it done!  A bit sore today but one happy customer and a few bucks in my pocket makes it all worth it :)

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Customer posing with the last log.  This 6 foot log weighs about 2700 lbs (maybe more since it was pretty wet) and scaled in over 300bf

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Love it when a customer posts this on Facebook :D

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Most of what the day produced (I calculated 1043bf but there were slabs and cookies I didn't count (just forgot them) so I'm sure it's over 1200bf.

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Seemed like I had to run no faster than 9 on the clock/throttle to keep the cuts flat.  Had to adjust my break at lunch as it was suddenly not working and doubled checked my drive belt tension which I've decided is a little high.  When I set it I thought I'd gotten it to 14lbs but when I checked it at lunch it was between 15 and 16lbs.  Seems the Wood-Mizer way to adjust doesn't mention the bar they placed in front of the top pully and I just rest my 18" rule against it and measure at 9" but when I measure with a tape it looks like 9 1/2" (from the bottom) would be closer to center.  Anyone that can advise there would be great.

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Some days you just want to take some home :)
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I'm up to over 68kbf on this mill in just over a year :)

I'm off to mill a mixed bag of orders for the lumber yard and the customer who owns all the logs next weekend and possibly the one after that too...and in June I'm going to the Forest Owners Field Day again :)  (June 24th in Dayton WA)  Forester tells me I get first right of refusal.  Truth is I usually get a mill job out of these shows so while I spend money going to them it usually means I'll earn money from them later :) and it's fun to visit with all the folks there and just enjoy the day.  Though this time my wife's not coming so it won't be quite the same (she's gone to the last ones so I had someone to chit chat with between groups of people).  I'll manage of course ;)

And so the adventure continues :)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 23, 2017, 10:08:50 AM
https://www.facebook.com/kate.ruffing.7/videos/1519354021408665/
Not sure this video will work but my customer made it of me working a big (fat) log.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: YellowHammer on April 23, 2017, 11:21:14 AM
Good job.  Looks like the it's all coming together. 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 23, 2017, 11:27:02 AM
Thanks.

I will say, the temper is out of several of my bands now (I have about 50 -- I actually have to think about that now as I bought 15 and one came with the mill, then I bought 10 BiMetals, then 15 more DH's and have 2 Turbo 7's and 2 4's and...well, didn't I just buy 15 more DH's? lol I'm losing track!).....and I am thinking I need some new ones.  7's or 4's and a new box or three to keep them all in and labelled....and I need to double, triple check the drive belt tension to make sure I'm not burning up bearings int he 26hp Kholer....if I do I'm going 28hp at least though ;)

Anyway, got some purple bands off this oak -- thought it was walnut but when I arrived customer said "ready for some oak?" and I looked and sure enough it wasn't walut!....the 10 degree bands worked ok but obviously were getting hot and dull fast!  Think I managed 200bf per band and I had to really back off on the throttle (I'll post a vid shortly) to keep the cut smooth.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 23, 2017, 11:48:55 AM
https://youtu.be/4WMDq_BfcWI
Short vid milling this oak
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: newoodguy78 on April 23, 2017, 09:49:49 PM
Nice job on the walnut. How big was that 30 inchish diameter?
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 23, 2017, 10:09:36 PM
The Walnut?  Hmmm...let me think.  It was over 32" at the small end and about 35" at the big end.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 23, 2017, 10:12:26 PM
Quote from: YellowHammer on April 23, 2017, 11:21:14 AM
Good job.  Looks like the it's all coming together.
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This is with the mill at the 'STOP' sign which is 34 1/2" off the deck...so maybe it was more like 34" lol...it was BIG
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: trapper on April 23, 2017, 10:28:13 PM
At the the end of the end of the video Kate posted there is one my daughter susan posted of me from last tuesday
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 23, 2017, 10:51:41 PM
I'm confused.  I didn't see anything at the end of Kate's???
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: trapper on April 23, 2017, 11:07:27 PM
sorry it came up on my facebook page but apparently not on yours.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 25, 2017, 09:36:47 AM
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Cut list for this weekend.  Customer wants it all full dimension (nominal) and has a log he wants milled to 1 1/8" and as wide as I can get (so about another 400bf).

Tall order to get done in 3 days but the last line is for the lumber yard, the top 8 are for someone else and then the remaining three are the original customers last bit he needs.

Kinda nice though having a customer with all those logs who realizes he can make some money having me mill them up for him.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 29, 2017, 09:30:22 AM
Pulled up onsite last night around 8:20pm and disconnected the mill from the truck, grabbed a few things from the cab and unloaded the saw bands out of the back of the camper and then hopped up into my cabin on wheels and got settled in for the night :)  Gotta love camper milling :)

Met with the customer in my rolling home/office to discuss the weekend then did a little reading before crashing for the night.

Going to be an interesting day as a custom builder wants a couple 24" slabs milled 'out of the center' of a large pine.  My customer told him "fine but you will pay for the whole log" LOL ok, whatever, put it on the mill and let me see what I can do for you!  Then I guess it's some 18" flooring followed by the bulk of that cut list I posted earlier and who knows what else.

Gotta love a customer with lots of logs and the realization that my milling rates are very low (despite their sounding high to some).....
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: 4x4American on April 29, 2017, 08:56:55 PM
Is this the job for the customer who's selling to the lumber yard guy?
That does sound nice having a camper onsite.  How'd it all pull?
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 30, 2017, 12:32:03 AM
Yes and it's a done deal.  I mill all remaining logs :)

Camper is barely noticeable :)


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Post by: ChugiakTinkerer on April 30, 2017, 03:27:56 AM
So how did the latte machine work out?   :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: 4x4American on April 30, 2017, 06:05:37 AM
Good deal.  Hope it works out fir ya
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 30, 2017, 09:30:22 AM
3736bf yesterday (and for Peter that's based on actual dimensions ;) :) )

Lumber yard owner came by (I didn't know as I was milling away) and spoke with my customer and told him I will take ALL of the logs you have in 7/8 x 11 7/8 and that he was looking for 30Mbf of the stuff.  I gave my customer a price of $350/Mbf to mill it up and away we go but first I have to finish off the above cut list which seemed to grow (don't they do that often?) minus the 4x12's which were switched to the 1x12's (for the lumber yard guy)....

I think there is 6Mbf left on that list or so BEFORE doing the 1x12' so I'll likely not get to them until my next trip but I plan to take next weekend off :)

Then it will be go go go
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Ljohnsaw on April 30, 2017, 09:36:45 AM
He wants 7/8 x 11-7/8, is that the green size or dry?  If dry, what size are you cutting?
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 30, 2017, 09:59:09 AM
Quote from: ljohnsaw on April 30, 2017, 09:36:45 AM
He wants 7/8 x 11-7/8, is that the green size or dry?  If dry, what size are you cutting?

Green.  My guess is he figures it will dry to 3/4 x 11 3/4.

I made a point of telling my customer to make sure the guy specifies what he wants me to mill to and as he buys lumber for a living (both dry S4S and rough / green) I'm hoping that means he knows what he's doing lol but we'll find out when the cash is handed over ;)

I'm doing this job on a Net7 basis.
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Post by: paul case on April 30, 2017, 10:04:39 AM
I saw dimensions like that for  a lot of people. Makes good rough sawn barn siding, decking, sheating paneling all the way down to bird houses.

Most of my customers have the opinion that it is like 3/4 you buy at the store except rough. Some like the rustic look.

PC
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 30, 2017, 10:09:44 AM
Quote from: paul case on April 30, 2017, 10:04:39 AM
I saw dimensions like that for  a lot of people. Makes good rough sawn barn siding, decking, sheating paneling all the way down to bird houses.

Most of my customers have the opinion that it is like 3/4 you buy at the store except rough. Some like the rustic look.

PC

I believe that is exactly why he wants it.  He sells it to people specifically for that purpose.....probably at $2500/Mbf too.  Probably will advertise as 'locally milled specialty' lumber or something (and I will sneak into the lumber yard and find it once it goes on sale and see what he's getting for it LOL

I just wish I had a stamp I could thump on each board with that said ManleyPortableMilling on it :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: paul case on April 30, 2017, 04:28:06 PM
Be careful what you wish for.
I quit advertising and my sign at the gate is unreadable. I got tired of getting too many phone calls from people I cannot help.

PC
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on May 01, 2017, 06:37:17 AM
You're going to try to cut your dog board 7/8"?
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Darrel on May 01, 2017, 09:05:55 AM
My first milling job was for 7/8" X 6" knotty pine. I just dropped the head 1" every time and the result was close enough that if it was off a wee bit, you couldn't tell using a tape measure.
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Post by: paul case on May 01, 2017, 09:09:02 AM
That is the way we cut it. Set on 1''. no kerf allowance.

PC
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 01, 2017, 09:53:16 AM
That is how I'll cut it (and intended to) but admittedly I hadn't thought about the last cut.  I'm not going to worry though.  I'll square the cant to 11 7/8 by whatever even I can get to and set the simple set to 1" and rip her down and then do it all over again :D

Starting to look like a lumber mill here at my customers (3rd weekend I've been here) and people are starting to ask "do you sell lumber?"

Yesterday and today I'm cutting ~6000bf for a friend of my customer (the friend is paying for my cutting time and the logs) and I've cut for nearly all of the family members now, plus I am supposed to mill some 24" pine for another customer and then the 30Mbf for the lumber yard....my camper is coming in handy! lol

Gotta love it though because I have 3 or 4 other jobs in the works just no date yet and when I'm done a LOT more people will know about me :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Ljohnsaw on May 01, 2017, 03:16:23 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on May 01, 2017, 09:53:16 AM
Gotta love it though because I have 3 or 4 other jobs in the works just no date yet and when I'm done a LOT more people will know about me :D

Pretty soon you are gonna have to cut that other 9-5 M-F job loose so it stops interrupting your millin' time!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 02, 2017, 09:19:46 AM
LOL nah, won't do that any time soon!  It pays too well ;)

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Walking out the camper door first thing in the morning on day one :)

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The weekend was a lot of work but breaks were large gatherings

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Another big log on the mill...I must be up to 60 or 65 logs now...

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6x12's coming off the mill

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Big Larch the customer wants 1 1/8 x 17 1/2 inch wide plank flooring out of....

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And away we go

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Dead center of a large pine...and I mean dead center, was this very large (guessing 4 1/2") spike.  Had to buck off about 3 feet on the 17 1/2 foot log.  Admittedly when I hit it I knew I'd hit metal but I couldn't find any on the surface and scratched my head a little...I'm 60ish logs into this deck of oversized mill logs and hadn't hit a nail one and couldn't see any signs of one either.  Bucked off the end and customer split the cut off and sure enough, right in the middle was this sucker.  We're guessing spotted owl vintage maybe.....later the same day I came dead stop into a rock in the bark on the other side from the debarker.

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My customer is becoming a regular dealer in the area LOL...here is some live edge (one side) 24" wide by 1 3/4" pine slabs off a very large Ponderosa.  I took one pass at 24 5/8" to ensure he'd have 2$" of wood at the center of the log with one flat side and then began slabbing at 2" (2 1/8" simple set) until I got to my target (I'd marked it with lumber crayon) then switched to 1 7/" and slabbed off the middle.  Had to bump that sucker to the left a bit and reset it square and then chisel off some bark but got it done in about 90 minutes total.
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Trying to stretch it a little.  I knew I could push it over a little more but was happy with it where it was and hate to move it again.

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This guy has a small kiln (not big enough for these) and understands what he's doing so I have no doubt it will turn into some very high end stuff :D

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Finally back to milling 2x8's.  I had 130 to do for the day but only managed to get 50 in.  I will have to finish the next trip.

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Getting pretty darn close to 30Mbf on this job now :D 

Now time to go pay the bills! :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: nativewolf on May 02, 2017, 10:55:22 AM
The nicely sticker'd stack of wood porn has got to be attracting attention if it is visible from the road.  Looking good!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 02, 2017, 12:14:40 PM
It really is!  People think he's starting a local sawmill operation LOL

Had a guy from New York stop and look at the Mill.  Guess he had an old bandmill (on the ground but can't remember the make) and milled some oak and cherry with it back in the late 90's and was looking to get back to it when he returns home to NY.

Lots of lookie loos too

This customer has been fantastic to work for frankly and as you can see, they know what to do when the lumber comes off the mill!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: nativewolf on May 02, 2017, 12:28:05 PM
My only suggestion is to put out a sign/banner with your company and a telephone number.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 02, 2017, 01:27:58 PM
Got a sign on the door and the mill but I like your idea too.

Maybe a 'Milling provided by...."

Figured my total for the weekend at 10657 board feet for the weekend with an average of 409bf/hr :)

I would have made more charging by the BF but I'm happy with this and the customer got his lumber milled at $220/Mbf

Best day was 4324 but that took 9 1/4 hours to mill!  Long days but if this keeps up I'll be a happy camper ;)

Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Darrel on May 02, 2017, 06:09:02 PM
A happy camper in the camper!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: nativewolf on May 02, 2017, 06:24:54 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on May 02, 2017, 01:27:58 PM
Got a sign on the door and the mill but I like your idea too.

Maybe a 'Milling provided by...."

Figured my total for the weekend at 10657 board feet for the weekend with an average of 409bf/hr :)

I would have made more charging by the BF but I'm happy with this and the customer got his lumber milled at $220/Mbf

Best day was 4324 but that took 9 1/4 hours to mill!  Long days but if this keeps up I'll be a happy camper ;)
I like that.." Milling provide by..." simple.  Gets the name out there.  Have a stack of flyers in one of those real estate clear box's that attach to for sale signs and keep them dry. 
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 09, 2017, 09:49:41 AM
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While updating some ads and communicating with customers this morning I made this up.  It represents the last year of milling :)

The longest distance is 149 miles (so far) and that was to Coeure D'Alene
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 09, 2017, 09:50:14 AM
Oh and green is where I am heading next ;)
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Post by: Upper on May 09, 2017, 10:15:31 AM
Nice!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Darrel on May 09, 2017, 10:22:12 AM
Do I see a total of 23 with 5 jobs coming up?  Pretty exciting!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 09, 2017, 10:54:07 AM
Very :)

And one of those has turned into 4 visits and likely another 4!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: rjwoelk on May 09, 2017, 11:48:30 AM
JRhead. I came through your neck of the woods last week and will be coming back through in 2 days. See the first cut of hay is off. Here in saskatchewan we are just starting to leaf out. It is rather humorous that us guys that don't live near trees have sawmills and can do a busness with it. Keep up the good work injoyed your thread.
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 09, 2017, 11:50:28 AM
Thanks and if in the area let me know.  I'll be in Omak tomorrow but might be in Moses Thursday.
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Post by: rjwoelk on May 09, 2017, 12:04:40 PM
May make Moses Lake wed night Thursday morning. Will let you know as my days progress
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 09, 2017, 08:09:19 PM
Ordered a box of 4 degree bands today  8)  I will report my finding after this weekend :D

Also got a band gauge coming :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 13, 2017, 12:31:01 AM
Back on the job site this time I am MILLING for the local lumber yard a lot of custom beans full Dimension 2 Byes and one bye stock.  Going to be at it for several weekends it sound like

EDIT:  don't use a cell phone and speech to text at night! lol
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: grouch on May 13, 2017, 01:45:01 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on May 13, 2017, 12:31:01 AM
Back on the job site this time I am kneeling for the local lumber yard a lot of custom beans full Dimension 2 Byes and one bye stock.  Going to be at it for several weekends it sound like

You know you can buy knee pads for when you're kneeling for a lot of custom beans. Are those anything like bush beans or are they some kind of pole bean?

Methinks you talked to a smartphone with listening issues to post that.  ;D
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Post by: 4x4American on May 13, 2017, 07:29:11 AM
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Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: paul case on May 13, 2017, 07:59:52 AM
Kneeling for beans?

Begging?

Glad to hear of such steady work for you!
I sure feel a lot better about using my saw when I have orders to fill and a few that will buy all I can cut.

PC
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 13, 2017, 09:10:08 AM
Darn cell phones!

This guy is selling 2x and bigger stuff to the lumber yard for $500/Mbf and 1x's for $550/Mbf -- he did the math and figures with my milling rate ($85/hr) and production rate (400-450bf/hr at least with 2x's and above) he will be making decent money though he got the logs cheap.

He's also talking about buying more logs!  Said he knows a guy who will sell him a 'long load' of load for $1000 (32 footers) and can get him all 18" tops.  He also showed me two BIG pine logs he acquired.  One was 42" at the big end, the other is 36".  Both monsters.  I told him we could do those but they will take longer than the stuff we're doing in an hour LOL

Going to mill with 4's and 7's today and see how that goes.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 13, 2017, 09:22:21 AM
On a side note, I do not have Turbo 7's!

I was sent a couple back a year ago or so by a great guy who thought I might like to try them.  I was excited to try them out and report back on how they worked on my 26hp mill but I never noticed much difference.

Well after keeping them on the wall for the rest of the year I finally pulled them down to try out again a few weeks ago and again, didn't notice any difference.  Then having sent them off to resharp with the rest of my bands (10's and a couple 4's) I asked the question here about identifying bands.......

It became clear the Turbo's would be easy to see...and Rus kept telling me I had 2 9's, 2 4's and a bunch of tens......I ordered 4's and waited for the 32 bands I'd sent off to return from resharp with my new gauge...and whaddaya know, the 7's are 9's.  Not sure how that happened???  But I don't have Turbo 7's and the mystery of why they seemed to be about the same as the 10's is now solved ;)

So I'm starting this weekend with 17 4 degree bands and two 7's.  I plan to run about half the day on 4's before testing the 7's out and then I'll run the weekend on 4's.

I'm milling big logs again so should be able to knock out about 3500 bf/day and that ought to give me a real good feel of how the 4's differ from the 10's ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on May 13, 2017, 09:55:30 AM
I found that the 4° blades saw a bit slower and dull quicker but saw flatter in hard logs than 10° blades.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Mt406 on May 13, 2017, 10:59:18 AM
What a diff 500 miles makes the last two loads of logs I got I paid 2400 at 95 a ton.
If my calcs are right that is about .48 cents bd ft. That's for DF I pay 60-70 ton for pine.
My logs are not as nice as the ones your sawing.
I work alone so by the time I figure handling, bucking to length, sawing and stacking and dealing with slabs and clean up.
I have another 50-55 cents per br ft. Add profit  I am over 1$ bd ft  that's not adding in the tire kickers, and those that order and never come back.
I am the little mill so the loggers take advantage of that. As far as I can tell they do that to all the small mills.

I got my mill about the same time as yours I was keeping pace with you last summer, You have blown away this year.
Congrads on how well your doing. I have family in Seattle so get by your area. though about stopping you are so busy you put me to work.

I have gone to the 4s found they work best for me all round. may be a little slower but cut well in pitchy knotty pine. I have not noticed dulling faster as MM said he has more miles than I do so he's probably right.
I also went to a diesel drip to cut pitch will use water to to keep blade cool. I built simple system I have pics if interested.

Keep on milling

Scott

Ps as I am typing this its starting to snow it was 75 yesterday.     

   
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 13, 2017, 10:24:40 PM
Today's total was a paltry 2685 and that includes a 7x10 we tossed due to splitting and pitch pockets that were just too much as well as a stressed log we are going to resaw tomorrow to save it as the 6x10 just wouldn't cooperate and I told him best bet was to mill it to dimensional 2x8's and let them crown a little.

I went through SIX 4's and 2 7's on the day!!!  YIKES!  I managed only 336bf/hr and per band.

However I've come to the conclusion the problem is the wood itself.  It's too dry.  Sometimes I get into a dry log and a fresh 4 degree cuts at 47 seconds for an 18 foot cut!!!  It eats the bands too but this job will be worth it in the end anyway.

Billable for the day is down almost $200 from my hourly rate due to the lumber yard only wanting certain lumber and everything else I make is basically a freeby for the customer (made some 2x4's because I hated tossing that much wood away when cutting flitches, also made some 1x's and 2x4's for the same reason).

In the end though, the lumber yard owner came by and had a nice visit.  He told me "you are cutting very nice stuff!  Flattest I've seen on a band mill!"  He asked me how often I changed the band and said "I won't normally buy from a bandmill because those guys just get lazy and let the cuts get wavy and I want good straight flat lumber but you make nice stuff and I'll buy all you can make.

8) 8)  Thanks to you guys!!!  It is were not for FF and the great folks here I would have no idea how to do it but I've paid a LOT of attention to guys like Bandit, MM, American, Peter Druin, Chuck and so many others not to mention Tom (sorry I wasn't here when he was!) as I've read a lot of his stuff.  I still have a LOT to learn but I'm nearing in on 100,000BF on this mill so I'm starting to get it down I think ;)  Still, so much to learn though.  Maybe some day the mill will pay for me to go visit Peter and Lynn and see how they operate!  Man I've love that.

And I missed another FF member (sorry, was it Tom?  Can't remember your name now) who drove through Moses Lake but came through after I hit the hay (I'm an 'Early to Bed, Early to Rise' type).

Anyway, can't express how much I appreciate you guys and also Wood-Mizer!!!  Marty Parsen's is awesome (sorry Marty but you are!) and so too are the guys in Portland who always take my calls and answer my never ending questions.

Anyway, this customer is talking about bringing in logging truck loads of logs to keep going once we mill the rest of what he has and he has 30 long logs (32') still waiting to be hauled over!  He's a DOT Mechanic and works full time at it but has been trying to get into business making marble table tops.  I think he's starting to think he should just run a sawmill operation with me running the mill and him doing the rest.

Either way, I'll be back to mill a LOT more for him (this is my 4th visit this spring) and I'm 'A OK' with that! lol

I also have several more jobs in the works and admittedly can't wait to get back to milling GREEN logs!

OH and the camper?  Ya, major bonus!  Glad I decided to do it! ;) I'm in it now with heat (it's chilly out), and other comforts of home ;)
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Post by: 4x4American on May 13, 2017, 11:05:14 PM
I'm glad to hear it's working out for ya!  Sounds like a great gig.  James over in the Oregon WM has helped me countless times when the WM'ers on this coast were closed, he's very good. 




MT406 I guess I'm not sure how the prices are out there but $.48/bf for softwood logs at least over here is astronomical.  $.40/bf is the highest that I've heard for white pine around here and that's for clear logs (not very easy to make clear grade) and the going rate is $.25/bf,  but the Canadians buy pine logs for $.27/bf picked up at the header.   
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Post by: rjwoelk on May 13, 2017, 11:27:37 PM
I came back through yesterday. Called to see if you had left and had a short chat with your wife. We will catch up one of these times. Got 2 gennie lifts going east. 3100 mile trip. Have a great week end milling.
Bob.
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 14, 2017, 12:06:00 AM
Quote from: rjwoelk on May 13, 2017, 11:27:37 PM
I came back through yesterday. Called to see if you had left and had a short chat with your wife. We will catch up one of these times. Got 2 gennie lifts going east. 3100 mile trip. Have a great week end milling.
Bob.

sorry I missed ya Bob!  I realized 'Tom' is my customer who's been calling about me milling some Walnut for him!  DOH!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 14, 2017, 12:25:12 PM
Gotta adjust the head!  It's off 1/8" on the left and down about that on the outside
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 15, 2017, 12:28:35 AM
Rough weekend on the mill with only 4500+ board feet produced but my total for the LT40 is now 83827 board feet :)

Details to follow
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 15, 2017, 09:30:39 AM
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Morning at the mill.  Hoping for a better day!  Day one was only around 2600bf and not all of that was what the customer is paying for (meaning I was given 17.5 foot logs to mill 14 and 16 foot lumber out of some flitches I milled into dimension under the mistaken assumption he wanted them for a friend but after a dozen or so he told me the guy hadn't paid and he didn't want them anymore -- though he'd originally given me them on the list -- and still more flitches I milled to 7/8" in hopes of sneaking out a 1x12 only to manage a 1x10 which his other customer wants 1x12's so those are just 1x's he'll give to his brother for the barn.....hmmm need to work on that.)

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48 of the 93 2x8's I milled for the lumber yard who sold them to the City of Winthrop pictured here:
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and
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They ordered 80 but I was not happy with some of the ones coming off the mill (checks from pitch seams mostly) and advised we sent a few extra to make sure they got all 80.  Those will be dried and sent to a pressure treating plant that will treat them and make sure they are the right color, then they will go back to Winthrop and get used on the sidewalks.  The city has an ordinance on what you can build and how it must look so they keep that old west feel.

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More of the 2x8's and some other stuff milled the day before
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Starting to get serious around here ;) and a bunch is gone now too.

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Some of these logs are old and dry and make me wonder if I shouldn't get some carbide bands and open the faces with a 4 degree, take it off and mill the cant with a carbide to save my 4's and 7's and not have to change a band ever 400bf!

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Customers brother brought these two monster pines over....the little one is 34" inside the bark at the small end....the big one is over 40!

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Camper is working out nicely and the customer here provides me power and heat  8)

Gotta have coffee! and an FF mug :)  But I need a new FF sticker (or two)...
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So I was squaring up a cant and it just wouldn't. I stopped, looked at my customer and said "something aint right" and took out my tape and measured the band at the near and far end of the bunk...hmmm....doesn't look right so I got out my 18" rule and measured more accurately and sure enough it was out!  Way out.  Not sure what happened or how but at 330hrs I figured it was due and so out came the books and tools and thanks to my customer being a mechanic and understanding these kinds of things we were able to set the band left to right and front to back and adjust the scale, put it all back together and get back to milling.

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Casey, my customers nieces BF became the 'ruler holder' for a while.  He's a great off-bearer and an all around good kid from what I can tell (anyone who off-bears for free more than once must be a good kid)

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So we get back to milling, I split a cant into two and split it again to make 4 8x8's and I notice something is off.  We check the scale and it's off so we reset the scale and make sure it's right (scratching our heads wondering how that happened) and then put the 8x8's back on the deck only one came crashing into the deck and hit the swing out bunk....except it had a cushion, my finger, to absorb the impact of the falling 8x8.  So ya, I wasn't happy but I put my glove back on and went back to work #@#@ it. right?


Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Kbeitz on May 15, 2017, 10:13:25 AM
Ouch...
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: paul case on May 15, 2017, 11:27:01 AM
I guess I was mistaken to think that sort of thing only happens with a 7x9. :( :-[ :-\ :embarassed: :o


PC
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 15, 2017, 02:54:43 PM
OK I bit the bullet.  It's going to hurt but I think it will pay off in the long run.  I'm having James come out from Portland to service the mill for me.  After a pretty good discussion about this weekend and some of the issues I've had I decided it would be best to have him come out and completely go through the mill for me.  Sure it only has about 340 hours on it but I've abused it pretty well and towed it ALL over the country side (over 9800 miles last year alone and more than a few thousand this year already).

I figure it will cost me a minimum of $1300-$1400 due to the distance he has to travel (some 300 miles) but having him go through the mill and make sure everything is factory aligned etc should make a difference moving forward and I want it perfect!  The debarker seems to track down when moving inward, my alignment was out (not sure if it was too many off-road excursions or some other bump, knock, slam or oldjardhead bump it took), blade tilt was off 3/32" and I think we got it pretty good but then he told me you really need to take the rollers off to do it right (hmmm missed that part in the book ;) ), the scale was off and a myriad of other minor things I figure it's just time to have them service it and make sure it's all good and ready to impress again ;)  (oh and the drive belts jumped off one track on me a few weeks back after the head was stopped by bark in the chain (I think that was it) and so on and so on....84,000 board feet and it's time.

But with luck, and not a lot more experience behind me, I won't need it again for a while ;)

How often do you ahve them give the mill the once over?  Or do it yourself (and yes I will pay VERY close attention and learn everything I can when he is here).
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Ljohnsaw on May 15, 2017, 03:39:07 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on May 15, 2017, 02:54:43 PM
I figure it will cost me a minimum of $1300-$1400 due to the distance he has to travel (some 300 miles) ...

Well, it is a good write off on your business.  You seem to like to drive ;) - why not take it to him?  Not worth your drive time?
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 15, 2017, 03:46:56 PM
Quote from: ljohnsaw on May 15, 2017, 03:39:07 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on May 15, 2017, 02:54:43 PM
I figure it will cost me a minimum of $1300-$1400 due to the distance he has to travel (some 300 miles) ...

Well, it is a good write off on your business.  You seem to like to drive ;) - why not take it to him?  Not worth your drive time?

I considered it seriously but I drive so much now I decided it would be better to make them come to me and it is a right off. ;)

Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: nativewolf on May 15, 2017, 04:21:09 PM
I will make a confession here, I know my forest pretty well.  I know forest products pretty well.  I don't know machines, learning late in life.  So I video tape everything.  I buy a new SD card for a project, I catalog them.  Really good stuff I'll save off somewhere else.  I believe if you video it, setup on a tripod with Audio ON! (have I forgotten to do that?  well there is no proof-I deleted it :D).  Borrow a cheap tripod or buy one, I find it invaluable.  Lets you see what is happening while recording.  If you can record 2 versions, one from the tripod and one hand held.  Talk to him the whole time so he has to explain it all and that is captured on the video. 
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 15, 2017, 04:57:07 PM
Hmmm interesting...might be worth it if he doesn't mind ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 15, 2017, 05:50:27 PM
When you bill by the board foot do you still charge delivery/setup fees?

Do you charge for actual board footage milled, or what the customers wants despite the logs they provide (i.e. they want 16 foot lumber and provide 18 foot logs).

What if you make what they ask but can't help to make something else in the process (like 2x4's from flitches that yielded 2x8's and 2x4's but they only wanted 2x8's)?

What if the logs are all badly checked?  Lots of pitch pockets? 

I'm trying to understand the billing because so far, I don't see an advantage unless there are all good, green, big logs so I can produce at a good rate.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: paul case on May 15, 2017, 08:08:08 PM
In my case, some times you are the pigeon, sometimes you are the statue.
$.35/ bdft
PC
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on May 15, 2017, 08:23:10 PM
The WM service truck comes through my area every year and I have mine serviced every three years.  Be sure and watch and understand everything that James does and ask why.

My travel and setup is $1.50 per mile one way one time, whether I am sawing bf rate or hourly rate.  I bill at the bf rate of the log I saw.  If it's an 18' log the customer (or I) can buck it to 16½' or I will bill it as 18'.

I most always saw at the bf rate and there is normally a slight pile of "extra" lumber that I do not scale or bill for.  I always point this out to the customer, and he may point out that he added a tip to my invoice.

There are times when a log is just bad and will not make anything even after I make a few cuts.  I find that it is better to just kick it off and move on to a better log.  Of course I also cull logs before they reach the sawmill.  The customer does not know and appreciates the guidance.   
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on May 15, 2017, 11:41:39 PM
Hi Eric

Mine gets the major in the shop once over every spring and general check every thing over in the fall.

When I say a major once over it starts with a all shields and guards removed high pressure steam/acid wash down and then I go through all woodmizer recommended maintenance procedures.

My mill is in very good condition with just shy of 2000 hours. The only signs of use are the paint fade because I dont have a shed to store it in and the scars on side supports from brain farts while milling. AND the bent fender from the lowering the loader BEFORE I took the fender off. I straightened it out but its not factory pretty.   
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Brucer on May 16, 2017, 12:47:57 AM
I typically do a complete alignment (strictly by the book) every 3 years or 200,000 BF, whichever comes first.

The simple alignment procedure is usually good enough when something is "off" but after a while the adjustments tend to drift away from the original starting point -- which is the frame of the mill.

And yes, for the complete alignment you have to remove the blade guide roller assemblies (and put on new bandwheel belts). Don't take shortcuts.
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Post by: woodyone.john on May 16, 2017, 02:56:55 AM
I live on a bumpy dusty road and so too do some of my clients.I do minor adjustment approx monthly and this seems to keep things running better than an annual approach for me.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Jim_Rogers on May 16, 2017, 08:39:02 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on May 15, 2017, 05:50:27 PM
When you bill by the board foot do you still charge delivery/setup fees?

I charge mileage after the first 10 miles to try to keep my fees down but to get paid for long hauls. And to keep jobs local to my yard.

Quote
Do you charge for actual board footage milled, or what the customers wants despite the logs they provide (i.e. they want 16 foot lumber and provide 18 foot logs).

actual bdft coming off the mill. you cut it you should be paid for it.

Quote
What if you make what they ask but can't help to make something else in the process (like 2x4's from flitches that yielded 2x8's and 2x4's but they only wanted 2x8's)?
actual bdft regardless of what was ordered.

Quote
What if the logs are all badly checked?  Lots of pitch pockets? 
actual bdft, low quality is pointed out and recommended to not be sawn, but sawn if asked to.

QuoteI'm trying to understand the billing because so far, I don't see an advantage unless there are all good, green, big logs so I can produce at a good rate.
Some jobs are better than others.
Good luck
Jim Rogers
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on May 16, 2017, 09:03:53 AM
Erik,

   I agree with Jim on all his points except charging for lumber the customer did not order. Even though it may be a fast and simple cut to salvage a 2X4 or 1X6 out of a flitch if the customer can't use them why should he pay for them?

   You might contract for you to keep all such salvage but then you have to figure out a way to sell it at the site or haul it off the job and more importantly how to cut it without interfering or appearing to interfere with your contracted sawing. This is easier if sawing by the bf. It may be simple to make one one pass to cut that 2x4 but if sawing hourly how do you go off the clock for that one pass and if you have to set the flitch aside and resaw it at the end of the shift that means more handling and may not be worth the time and effort for the extra handling.

   Even if sawing by the bf there may be an appearance you are padding your stack a little at the expense of the customer's cut list. A better option might be to discount the customer's sawing bill for the salvage.

   The worst part about any of these options is it puts you in the lumber selling business when maybe you don't want to do so. If you had a customer wanting the side lumber who would pick it up on site so you don't have the extra hauling/transport, labor, storage, marketing, and retail selling costs this might be be more attractive.

   Good luck.
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Post by: grouch on May 16, 2017, 09:54:35 AM
Quote from: Magicman on May 15, 2017, 08:23:10 PM
[snip]

My travel and setup is $1.50 per mile one way one time, whether I am sawing bf rate or hourly rate.  I bill at the bf rate of the log I saw.  If it's an 18' log the customer (or I) can buck it to 16½' or I will bill it as 18'.

I most always saw at the bf rate and there is normally a slight pile of "extra" lumber that I do not scale or bill for.  I always point this out to the customer, and he may point out that he added a tip to my invoice.

There are times when a log is just bad and will not make anything even after I make a few cuts.  I find that it is better to just kick it off and move on to a better log.  Of course I also cull logs before they reach the sawmill.  The customer does not know and appreciates the guidance.

HIRED!

The rest of y'all get outta my yard.

I'm muddling along trying to learn how to get the most out of the trees I manage to get to my sawmill. If I were to hire somebody to come saw some logs, I'd want their advice on the logs and their willingness to saw even the scrap if I was willing to pay for it. If there was extra lumber at the end of the job that I didn't foresee, you bet there'd be a "tip" on that invoice.

Years ago I added a room onto my late mother's house, just for one of her great granddaughters to have to herself. I started out asking Mom how she preferred this or that -- details of the structure. She stopped that pretty quick with, "If I thought I knew more about it than you, I'd be building it."
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Post by: sandsawmill14 on May 16, 2017, 10:59:52 AM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on May 16, 2017, 09:03:53 AM
Erik,

   I agree with Jim on all his points except charging for lumber the customer did not order. Even though it may be a fast and simple cut to salvage a 2X4 or 1X6 out of a flitch if the customer can't use them why should he pay for them?

   You might contract for you to keep all such salvage but then you have to figure out a way to sell it at the site or haul it off the job and more importantly how to cut it without interfering or appearing to interfere with your contracted sawing. This is easier if sawing by the bf. It may be simple to make one one pass to cut that 2x4 but if sawing hourly how do you go off the clock for that one pass and if you have to set the flitch aside and resaw it at the end of the shift that means more handling and may not be worth the time and effort for the extra handling.

   Even if sawing by the bf there may be an appearance you are padding your stack a little at the expense of the customer's cut list. A better option might be to discount the customer's sawing bill for the salvage.

   The worst part about any of these options is it puts you in the lumber selling business when maybe you don't want to do so. If you had a customer wanting the side lumber who would pick it up on site so you don't have the extra hauling/transport, labor, storage, marketing, and retail selling costs this might be be more attractive.

   Good luck.

ask before you start what he wants to do with the side lumber or 2x4 -2x6 and so on thats not on his cut list  ???  if he dont want it just slab heavy and forget about it  ;) then there is no problems or confusion  :)  but i have saw upwards of 4 million bdft over the last several years and have only been told twice that they didnt want it :) most say "i will use it for something"   Most people give you a cut list for what they need for a project but want everything the logs will saw out but dont leave a bunch of 1" lumber with alot of wane ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 17, 2017, 08:56:46 PM
#@#$@  :o :( :-\

So I've backed the mill into it's parking spot a hundred times without an issue.  I pull up, swing around and back it to the chalks.  My wife always says "how on earth do you do that?" and I usually respond with something about doing it all the time.....

And then today happen! #@#@%$@

Had a neighbor with a short walnut log he wanted milled up so I ran over to his place (maybe 5 houses away) milled it up for him, collected $100 (he asked how much, I said "whatever you think is fair" and he handed me a $100 bill)....and drove back home and backed the mill up...only I was at a slightly different angle and not thinking...I swung the truck around a bit and didn't think about the camper....and took the mirror off my son in laws car and scratched the door and buggered the leg on the camper :(

SO ya, I gave my son-in-law the $100 and will have to go mill a little more to pay for the rest of the damage!  :o  :snowball:
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Post by: Oliver05262 on May 17, 2017, 09:16:50 PM
Ouch !!!  Been there; done that sort of thing.
  Years ago, our volunteer fire dept got a call early one morning. The chief threw on his duds, fired up his pickup and hit the door opener, and gunned it in reverse out of the garage--------------right into the front end of his son-in-laws car.
  He read the poor SIL the riot act for being dumb enough to park in front of the garage. We all got a chuckle out of it, and Chief finally saw the humor in it, too.
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 17, 2017, 09:21:10 PM
Ya I don't see much humor in mine! LOL  Specially the having to pay for it part....
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Post by: 4x4American on May 17, 2017, 09:32:48 PM
Rubbin's racin!
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on May 17, 2017, 10:05:57 PM
Erik,

   I feel your pain. A few weeks back my son called to get me to come help him come pull his pump. he also called his FIL who had a tool to help pull it. I went up, we pulled the pump then had to go get a few parts so took my truck. I backed out into his FIL. After insurance I had to pay $500 deductible on the $1500 or so to my truck and they said $1008 for sons FIL. You had to look close to see the scrape on his and a small dent in mine. I put mine in the shop last week so local body shop fixed mine while I went to WM owner's day down in Albermarle NC. No good deed goes unpunished.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: rjwoelk on May 20, 2017, 12:57:12 AM
oldjarhead gues what may be coming past your place next week. got a load back to Albany OR. The reload may be Genie again. will give you a heads up Tuesday.  Bob
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 21, 2017, 10:33:58 AM
Let me know Bob!  I will be heading north a couple days this week (usually mid-week) so who knows!

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Milled up some beams, 2x's and 1x's to finish out a couple orders for my customer in the Okanogan yesterday.  Was just a day trip and about 3000bf (need to check the math -- edit:  math checked and it was 3268bf).

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Came home to a few pics of 'logs in a pile' from a potential customer (sounds like they are serious) up north of Spokane.  I got the impression they wanted them all milled but looking at the logs I'm thinking there are a lot of small logs in there that ought to be pulled out (unless they really want me to make 2x4's out of them ;) )....

We shall see but I'm likely booked through to July sometime now and have yet to get back to my cabin!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 21, 2017, 10:36:01 AM
Oh and with some better logs I managed around 600bf per band before swapping them out....then ran into another dry log and boy it was a challenge to get more than 300-400...and then back to good logs and the BF goes up.

I can say now that I am convinced that very dry logs eat bands.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: grouch on May 21, 2017, 12:10:50 PM
That makes sense, though. Dry means hardness, abrasion and heat -- all detrimental to sharp edges on tools. That's a pretty dramatic drop-off.

If it was a milling machine or hob, you'd just flood it with a good coolant to maintain feed rate. Customers probably wouldn't appreciate petroleum filled lumber, though.
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on May 22, 2017, 09:44:04 AM
Dry knotty spruce eats band but also the lube. i run the lube tap wide open on them and am lucky to get close to 700 BF on a band cutting it. Straight boards is real hard to get from a dry spruce log and I would guess dry pine would be the same.

I need to try some carbide bands I think.
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Post by: Darrel on May 22, 2017, 09:49:21 AM
Dry juniper ain't any better.
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Post by: derhntr on May 22, 2017, 10:14:40 AM
I know dry Ash will gum the heck out of a band.
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Post by: Mt406 on May 22, 2017, 10:29:48 AM
I though that was band life.
80% of my logs are dead standing.
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Post by: Kbeitz on May 22, 2017, 06:56:35 PM
Quote from: derhntr on May 22, 2017, 10:14:40 AM
I know dry Ash will gum the heck out of a band.

I never had any gum from ash...
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Post by: grouch on May 22, 2017, 08:15:14 PM
Quote from: Kbeitz on May 22, 2017, 06:56:35 PM
Quote from: derhntr on May 22, 2017, 10:14:40 AM
I know dry Ash will gum the heck out of a band.

I never had any gum from ash...

But have you had any ash from gum?
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Post by: Kbeitz on May 23, 2017, 01:09:48 AM
Maybe one reason I never had gum from Ash is All Ash that I have cut
had been dead standing for a while.
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Post by: Bruno of NH on May 23, 2017, 06:55:18 AM
I use alot of water with ash because i find it heats up the band.
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Post by: sandsawmill14 on May 23, 2017, 07:34:52 AM
Quote from: derhntr on May 22, 2017, 10:14:40 AM
I know dry Ash will gum the heck out of a band.

this is my experience with DRY OR Dead STANDING ash too  fresh green logs not much trouble same with white oak :)
Quote from: Bruno of NH on May 23, 2017, 06:55:18 AM
I use alot of water with ash because i find it heats up the band.

i also run alot of water mixed with murphys oil soap it helps but still have shorter blade life than normal :-\
i wonder if it varies by region ???
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on May 23, 2017, 08:16:11 AM
   My ash logs here also gum up my blades. I had not paid any attention to whether they were dry or green. I use 4 degree blades with lots of water and Dawn or pinesol.
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Post by: sandsawmill14 on May 23, 2017, 08:48:13 AM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on May 23, 2017, 08:16:11 AM
   My ash logs here also gum up my blades. I had not paid any attention to whether they were dry or green. I use 4 degree blades with lots of water and Dawn or pinesol.

the heart wood in ash is really dry even when the tree is green and standing but it doesnt get hard until its dead or cut and let the logs dry before sawing :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 23, 2017, 08:51:59 AM
Seems I'm not the only one!

I should charge a premium for old dry logs. 
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Post by: sandsawmill14 on May 23, 2017, 09:09:49 AM
if you think you could by with it they are more trouble :)
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Post by: Carson-saws on May 23, 2017, 09:30:54 AM
OlJarhead....Really happy for you...a very impressive line up of great jobs...keep on keepin on Sir...
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on May 25, 2017, 10:02:27 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on May 23, 2017, 08:51:59 AM
Seems I'm not the only one!

I should charge a premium for old dry logs.

I do charge a premium for cutting the dry ones. I add $20 an hour to my going rate.
Have 1 guy a mile north of town that has been bugging me to come mill up about 70 tree length white spruce for 2 years and they been down for about 5 years. He doesn't like the price but no one will cut them for him.
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Post by: rjwoelk on May 25, 2017, 01:45:55 PM
Eric I ended up with a load of foam sheets out of gersham so did not come by your place. It was a good load till I hit 60 mph wind, not fun going from the driving lane to the shoulder in a flash. Made it last night. Take care .
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 26, 2017, 09:13:26 AM
One of these days Bob ;)

I had a half weekend off last and all of this Memorial weekend off which is good as I tore something in my shoulder (it's healing well I think though) so it needs a break.  As such I'm taking the mill to a customer who offered to trade 4hrs milling time for a customer basket to transport my stuff on the mill with and a removable spare tire mount (for the back to balance some of the weight I'm adding to the front).  I'll drop the mill off with him for a couple days and head to my cabin to do some spring cleaning (which it desperately needs) and slash burning.

Then the 1st I have WM coming out to completely service the mill and after that I have some jobs lined up for the summer but I'm hoping to dial it back a little and get some time to myself on at least 1 or two weekends a month ;)
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Post by: Ljohnsaw on May 26, 2017, 09:38:53 AM
Wow, slacking off, are you? :D  Be careful, you might have some withdrawal pains!
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Post by: Peter Drouin on May 26, 2017, 09:17:44 PM
Resting is good. I'm resting right now.   ;D
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Post by: Darrel on May 26, 2017, 09:59:13 PM
Quote from: ljohnsaw on May 26, 2017, 09:38:53 AM
Wow, slacking off, are you? :D  Be careful, you might have some withdrawal pains!
Quote from: Peter Drouin on May 26, 2017, 09:17:44 PM
Resting is good. I'm resting right now.   ;D

The only time I have withdrawal pains is when I don't get enough rest.  And maybe when I get up too early for coffee. :D
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Post by: PC-Urban-Sawyer on May 26, 2017, 11:24:51 PM
Quote from: Darrel on May 26, 2017, 09:59:13 PM
...

And maybe when I get up too early for coffee. :D


They don't make a time that's too early for coffee...

Herb
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Post by: Darrel on May 26, 2017, 11:55:51 PM
Quote from: PC-Urban-Sawyer on May 26, 2017, 11:24:51 PM
Quote from: Darrel on May 26, 2017, 09:59:13 PM
...

And maybe when I get up too early for coffee. :D


They don't make a time that's too early for coffee...

Herb

I don't think Ive ever gotten up that early but if I did, I'd have withdrawal pains!
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 29, 2017, 11:52:05 AM
Didn't do to much this weekend so far and don't have plans to do much more ;)  Managed to get myself Bursitus in the right shoulder (which is my bad shoulder due to an old USMC injury years ago) and need to take it easy.  But I did manage to grade my driveway to the cabin a bit before heading over to pick up the mill from a customer who traded some milling for some customer baskets and a spare tire mount.  I gave him the freedom to invent and this is what he came up with:

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_20170528_145749064_HDR_281024x57629.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1496072545)
The spare is bolted to a plate that is welded to square tube 12" long which is then slid into any of the supports on the mill for transport.  I can be strapped down, bungied or in this case just dropped in and left (it won't go anywhere).

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The front basket is for chainsaws and other items that need a place to sit on the mill in transit.  This basket is pinned under the mill frame and very easy to remove.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_20170528_145802382_HDR_28576x102429.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1496072546) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_20170528_145808705_HDR_281024x40829.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1496072629)

Another basket is in the works for the center of the mill where I can transport water and fuel and there is this little guy for the back:
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_20170528_145830572_HDR_281024x57629.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1496072631)
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_20170528_145824285_HDR_281024x57629.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1496072632)
He misjudged the size needed (measured off somehow) and this will fit two 5 gallon cans (I believe) but not two 6 gallon cans (which is what I carry) but will carry one and something else.  It's handy and easily removed.

Once the last basket is finished I should be able to quickly and securely place fuel, water and tools etc on the mill for transit when the camper is on the truck.

Trimmed up some 21" boards for him down to 17" since he realized the planer he will be using is limited to 17.5" max and then tried to mill up a larch for him and got waves like mad.  Scratched my head and said "probably the drive belt is loose but I really don't want to mess with it right now" since WM is coming Thursday so I'll come back (no charge) and mill it once I'm sure all is well -- and headed home to relax for the rest of the weekend.

Cheers
Erik
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Post by: grouch on May 29, 2017, 12:16:31 PM
All the other tires are going to be jealous of the spare never doing any work and yet getting to ride up there on a throne. Need to find some work for it to do before they stage a revolt.
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on May 29, 2017, 03:49:37 PM
   All looks good. I hope that does not mess up the tongue weight making it hard to load or move or maybe you remove all the extras before disconnecting the mill and load after connection. I was happy to see everything seems to slip in or is bolted or belted on instead of welded as welding would void the warranty as I understand them.

   Happy Memorial Day. Take care of that old sore wing.
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Post by: 4x4American on May 29, 2017, 04:54:05 PM
Looks great Oljarhead.  I vaguely remember that you have a license plate on your mill.  See in NY if you put those tool trays on, your piece of equipment that didn't require a license plate is now considered a trailer and will now require a license plate.  Something to keep in mind for the NYers getting idears. 
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on May 30, 2017, 08:54:36 AM
I like ALL those little extras alot. never gave it much thought but it will work real good.

As far as loading for hitch weight I just make sure that weight is distributed so that the ratios front to back stays relatively close to factory spec AND so that the hitch weight capacity of my truck in not exceeded. I added a removable Ag Implement jack to my hitch because the front outrigger jack is a PITA for hooking and unhooking. Yea I know I will get picture for you all. 

For spare security you could just drill a hole through the out rigger and the spare stand and use a pin to ensure it isnt going to have an accident and bounce out going over  a bad rail crossing or the like.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on June 03, 2017, 05:15:31 PM
Milled a whopping 110bf today for a couple local folks (one log each).  Takes my total now to 87410bf on this mill :)

Only problem I had was the first location was too steep and I've advised the customer to move the logs so I can put the mill in a better spot and I'll come back for the remaining 6 logs and I had the pully on the head lift motor come loose.  Had to open up the mill, move the motor, remove the belt, fix the pulley properly and put everything back then it was fine.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on June 16, 2017, 08:58:42 AM
Not sure I mentioned it earlier but I've torn something in my shoulder, most likely the bursa and as such I've not been milling. :(

I have a few customers I've had to hold off on milling for due to the injury but hope to be back at it in July.

I am going to the Forest Owners Field Day in Dayton to demo the mill though next weekend but that should be a light workout so I figure it will be ok...plus the shoulder seems to be improving.
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Post by: paul case on June 16, 2017, 02:19:11 PM
Glad to hear it is improving.

PC
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 26, 2017, 09:58:46 PM
A few pics of the Forest Owners Field Day
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_9030_281024x68229.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1498528546) 
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_9010_281024x68229.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1498528548)   
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Post by: rjwoelk on June 26, 2017, 11:45:34 PM
Good day to you folks. See the camper is coming in handy.
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Post by: Peter Drouin on June 27, 2017, 05:30:49 AM
Nice job, Who is that pretty girl with you? ;)
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Post by: fishfighter on June 27, 2017, 06:06:29 AM
You really need a set of these before you bust your butt. You can find them cheaper. ;D Just a matter of time before that step ladder will flip. Don't ask me how I know. :D Once installed, you can remove the steps by pulling pins that take a second and they fold up and don't take up much space.


https://www.etrailer.com/RV-and-Camper-Steps/TorkLift/TLA7803-8000.html?feed=npn&gclid=CN_ZiYji3dQCFZi2wAod-lQOxA
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Post by: slider on June 27, 2017, 06:19:01 AM
I hope your shoulder gets better. Mine flares up every 2 to 3 years.They give me a shot and then i do the stretches ,therapy at home and i am good to go.
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 27, 2017, 08:15:51 AM
Quote from: fishfighter on June 27, 2017, 06:06:29 AM
You really need a set of these before you bust your butt. You can find them cheaper. ;D Just a matter of time before that step ladder will flip. Don't ask me how I know. :D Once installed, you can remove the steps by pulling pins that take a second and they fold up and don't take up much space.


https://www.etrailer.com/RV-and-Camper-Steps/TorkLift/TLA7803-8000.html?feed=npn&gclid=CN_ZiYji3dQCFZi2wAod-lQOxA
Others suggested those too so I just ordered a set on amazon.  Thanks!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on June 27, 2017, 05:58:08 PM
Quote from: Peter Drouin on June 27, 2017, 05:30:49 AM
Nice job, Who is that pretty girl with you? ;)

My beautiful wife :)  She's the one that lets me do all the milling :)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Crusarius on June 27, 2017, 06:03:59 PM
If she is anything like mine, she just likes the quiet time without you :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 02, 2017, 11:09:50 AM
Got back to milling this weekend but may need more time as the shoulder is pretty sore today and I didn't do much other than run the mill (and of course prep it for travel and set up etc).  But we will see.
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I got the call to come out and mill some beams for the lumber yard.  Logs were pretty dry and checked but I agreed to see what we could get out of them and as this was my 6th visit to this customer I was happy to see if we could make it work.  Turned out some nice beams from those logs though!

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20170701_125002_281024x76829.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1499007763) 
All the beams were going to the local lumber yard and they said they were already sold to a customer in Seattle (250 or more miles away) but this GluLam was ordered by a customer (of the Lumber Yard) because they wanted stair treads made out of it so they brought it in and sent it off to have me mill it down into 7/8" 'boards'....of course I could only get two out of it with a 3rd at 1" but I told him they could plane that last one -- they said they only needed two but I hate waste!

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This time of year it gets HOT in the Okanogan and Mid Columbia region and this was no acception as temps neared 90F.  I took breaks as often as possible and drank a half gallon of water by noon!

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They wanted some 21 foot beams so we made them :)

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Customer ran over his chainsaw!!!  OOps.  Ahhh well, easy come easy go, he made enough profit off this order to buy a new one ;)
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Post by: paul case on July 03, 2017, 09:21:40 AM
It is good to see you back at it some. Be careful not to undo the healing up by hitting it too hard on the start.

That run over saw is like a bad dream. When I was logging I would never set the saw on the ground and leave it. A friend of mine told me he would have to run over my tractor to get my saw if I keep putting it up there.

PC
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Post by: Kbeitz on July 03, 2017, 09:49:14 AM
I made a long narrow box that bolts on each of my tractors that the blade of the chainsaw
slides into. It's an easy way to keep the saw with you on the tractor.



 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/39553/Saw_carring_box.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1499089705)
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 07, 2017, 03:19:23 PM
Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!

After years of reading and learning here I have successfully built a side business (as is obvious in this thread) remote milling for people but this year has, despite my shoulder injury, started and continues to, be a better year than last.  What's even better is that after 6, yes SIX, visits to one customer who now has a lumber yard calling him to buy more lumber!  In fact, he now has an order of 5600 board feet of 3x10's to deliver as soon as he can get the logs and have me come out and mill it for him :D  8) 8) 8)

Not sure what my total with him this year is since I'm not in the office where I can look it up but it has to be nearing 40,000 board feet so far and it doesn't look like it will get any slower if he keeps bringing in logs.  Just last weekend I milled for just over 5 hrs to produce a bunch of beams for the lumber yard and they still want 30mbf of 1x12's if we can get the logs to mill it.

if it were not for all the great folks on this forum encouraging me and instructing me in many ways, even mentoring, I would not be where I am today :D  I've surpassed my minimum gross for the year already and look to add another 50% on top of that or more as the year progresses :D

So thanks!  I really do appreciate all the feedback and encouragement.
Erik
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Post by: FloridaMike on July 08, 2017, 10:28:00 AM
 :) Outstanding!
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Post by: slider on July 08, 2017, 03:44:45 PM
Hat's off to you.Great thread. I sure get your point on the hot weather.I have been sawing here in south ga on the river swamp for a month and a half and it has been some kinda hot.
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Post by: Kbeitz on July 08, 2017, 04:24:38 PM
Quote from: slider on July 08, 2017, 03:44:45 PM
Hat's off to you.Great thread. I sure get your point on the hot weather.I have been sawing here in south ga on the river swamp for a month and a half and it has been some kinda hot.

Around the Altamaha river ?
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Post by: thecfarm on July 13, 2017, 09:53:16 PM
You've done good.
Chainsaw holder.



 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10436/chainsawholder2.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1402578961)

If I start to get on my tractor and no saw,I go looking for it. Been a few times when I have put it behind a tree,but only a few times. I still like it where I can see it. On the right side is a place for bar and chain oil and those holes in the floorboards are a great place for a wrench,I have one on each side of the tractor.
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 17, 2017, 09:09:40 AM
And he's back :) at least for a day
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Stayed overnight at a friends 'hosting' spot at Early Winters Campground in Mazama on Friday night.  Was nice to visit with them for a few hours.

Then headed off to a customers location where I had to sneak the mill in to where their logs were.
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Got the mill in and milled up over 1500bf of pine for various projects they had in mind :)  Lot of log moving and chainsaw work but that's ok, I'm hourly :)

Shoulder did ok and I headed home afterword.
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Big fire in the Methow (pronounced Mett-How) so had to go up over Loup Loup Pass instead and it is still down to one lane where a big washout took out the highway this spring.  They have a LONG way to go before it's wide enough for two lanes me thinks ;)  Can't see well in that pic but it goes down for a couple hundred feet or more and is pretty much a slide to the bottom...will take a LOAD of fill to build it up but I'm no road engineer.

:)

Felt good to be back earning on the mill again. 
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Post by: Darrel on July 17, 2017, 10:44:00 AM
Good to see you back! Glad that the shoulder did ok.
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 17, 2017, 03:43:07 PM
Thanks :)  It isn't 100% yet but hoping to continue to see it heal and mill a little less this summer moving forward.  Trying to restrict my milling to only a couple weekends a month in the summer.

Over 90,000bf on the new mill now too :)
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Post by: paul case on July 17, 2017, 05:50:00 PM
Ya know someone we all know and love does NO offbearing on custom jobs, just requires the owner to provide help. That would spoil me but may be a viable option for you and your banged up shoulder.

However it sounds like you are progressing very well. Keep it up!

PC
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: slider on July 18, 2017, 07:28:10 AM
Sorry Kbeitz i missed your question.I was sawing on the Satilla river down in Camdin county but my wife has a log home about 5 miles from the Altamaha river in Glynn county.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on July 18, 2017, 09:09:21 AM
Yup and even my wife knows he does!  But I'm younger and dummer ;)

Actually, it isn't too bad and I try to convince them they need to provide the bulk of the labor etc but I'm not yet well enough established to do that.
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Post by: paul case on July 18, 2017, 09:48:00 AM
Someone told me ''If you are gonna be dumb you better be tough.

PC
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Kbeitz on July 18, 2017, 08:27:58 PM
Quote from: slider on July 18, 2017, 07:28:10 AM
Sorry Kbeitz i missed your question.I was sawing on the Satilla river down in Camdin county but my wife has a log home about 5 miles from the Altamaha river in Glynn county.

I spent some time on the Altamaha in wayne county.
I lived in Jesup for 5 years.
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Post by: WDH on July 19, 2017, 07:37:48 AM
Big time tree growing country.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Kbeitz on July 19, 2017, 08:02:32 AM
Quote from: WDH on July 19, 2017, 07:37:48 AM
Big time tree growing country.

ITT Rayonier eats them up...
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Ga Mtn Man on July 19, 2017, 09:44:02 AM
Finally got caught up on this epic thread...5 pages worth.  Eric, I'm exhausted just reading about what you've been up to.smiley_sweat_drop  Seems like you've packed several years worth of experience into one very busy year.  Good for you and take it easy in the heat.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 09, 2017, 08:12:08 AM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20170808_165829_281024x76829.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1502280173)
After Postponing my next big job due to heavy smoke in the area I went back to this local customers site to finish milling his logs.  When I'd first arrived in June the logs were in a location that required me to back the mill down his driveway to them and it was just too steep to mill on so I asked that he move them.  I did mill one log for him that day in an attempt to make it work but decided it would be better to move the logs 90 degrees and park the mill below them (as seen here) but at the time no equipment to move the logs and my shoulder was injured so I wasn't going to.  Didn't charge him that day as I couldn't do the work.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20170808_181248_281024x76829.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1502280174)
This time though, we could make it work.  It was 100F out and I was sucking down the water but we were in the shade so all was well :)

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Got through 4 logs in two hours which included off-bearing the heavier stuff with the customer and using my truck to move some logs around for him...then it happened!  Rolling that bent knotted bugger right there to the mill.  I was on the downhill side and the darn thing belly-flopped off the big knot right onto me left big toe and next toe!  1500+ lb log using my foot as a cushion between it and the concrete and me not wearing steel toes.  Ya, it hurt.  I danced around a bit, tried to walk it off, felt sick etc, darn near passed out.  Had him turn the hose on and sprayed my head off with cold water which helped but in the end I had to go relax in the shade on the grass until the body relaxed from the shock of the smash and heat.

He decided he didn't need that log milled up and helped me pack up.  Jobs done and so's my left big toe.  Nail is toast, lots of blood but it looks like it's not as bad as it felt.  The boots must have helped save it a little anyway.

Now to check it out to see if a doc visit is in order (I think so) and I hate those things (docs and hospitals etc)....but, gotta take care of the foot and probably go get some steel toes too I'm thinking.  *DanG that hurt!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on August 09, 2017, 08:30:38 AM
It's good to see you come up for air Erik but DanG, even the thought hurts!!   :-\

Please remember guys, proper safety equipment is for your safety.  Eye, hearing, respiratory, gloves, & boots.  Never leave home without them.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 09, 2017, 08:45:01 AM
Gloves, eye and ear protection I always have on (ears only when the mill is running) but my dumb jarhead butt didn't think it needed steel toe boots.

Sure do now.  Made it through the night sleeping on my back, foot elevated and actually slept about 6 1/2hrs but walking and sitting cause the toe to swell and hurt.  Going to have to have it checked out.  Can't stitch it where it's cut behind the nail and that worries me a little so figure better let a doc check it out.  Probably xray too 'cause it got squashed pretty good.

Might be a while before I can get it in a boot though.  Going to have to put off my next customer AGAIN unless he can do all the heavy lifting.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on August 09, 2017, 08:57:46 AM
My comment was not to say "I told you so" but was directed to other sawyers reading this.  We all learn from other people's experiences.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 09, 2017, 10:05:45 AM
No worries MM :)  I knew that.  Just had to respond anyway ;)

Redressed the wound this morning.  Doesn't look too bad.  Nail is a gonner but no major swelling or bruising.  I might have gotten lucky.
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Post by: DPatton on August 09, 2017, 10:49:18 AM
Ohhhhh.......Ouch! That just makes me cringe. Hope your back on both feet soon.
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Post by: grouch on August 09, 2017, 11:02:45 AM
That hurts just reading about it.

I don't like having to go to a doctor or hospital*, either, but I'd have that checked out.

Time may be 'of the essence' for such an injury.


*(Last time I went to a doctor's office the nurse with a clipboard asked where I'd been getting "medical attention". Told her whatever was on her clipboard was all there was. She lifted 1 page and said, "You don't get sick much, do you?" More about wasting lots of time sitting there.)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 09, 2017, 01:22:57 PM
Decided to have it checked out.  My no skyrockets in hospitals
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: slider on August 09, 2017, 05:51:55 PM
Erik i bought my first pair of steel toe boots 6 months ago because of the same thing ,they are a bit heavy but my toes are happy.As to your comment on the heat ,same here all summer. Come on fall.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Ianab on August 09, 2017, 06:26:24 PM
I wear some lightweight steel cap "hiking boots" when working. They aren't much heavier than sneakers but have a lot more protection for your toes.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: thechknhwk on August 09, 2017, 06:42:57 PM
Red Wings king toe is all I wear.  They have a carbon fiber safety toe box that is light and roomy.  If you have a problem with cold feet in the winter they don't seem to make your feet cold like a steel toed boot.

I don't ever run the mill without safety toe boots since I like to use my foot as a log chock when I'm trying to get the logs to transition onto the loading arm.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: thecfarm on August 09, 2017, 08:53:31 PM
Good luck to ya. A smashed bone is never to play with. Get it fixed right and it will be much better for years to come.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 09, 2017, 09:12:07 PM
Eric,

   I truly feel for you! When I first got my mill I took it up to my son's place and we were carrying a small oak log about 10-12 inches dia and 7-8 feet long and dropped it on my left toe. Turned black and I lost the nail. A week later I was up there loading the mill and moving it around to hook to my truck and he dropped a landing gear on the same toe.

   TSC makes a nice 9" steel toed boot called their Logger which I wear now. Hope everything heals well and soon. You will remember for a long time - every time you bump that toe.
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Post by: WDH on August 10, 2017, 07:06:27 AM
I learned my lesson the hard, hard way  :).
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Post by: SlowJoeCrow on August 10, 2017, 07:43:12 AM
As already suggested, I would also suggest looking at a composite safety toe instead of a steel toe boot.  Much more comfortable, lighter, and warmer in the cold weather.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 18, 2017, 08:53:04 AM
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Well, no busted toe, missing toenail or tore up shoulder will hold this jarhead down for long ;)  I headed west (young man) to Wenatchee yesterday with milling on my mind ;)

Arrived to find not many logs that were 'mill logs' frankly and the two day job I was expecting was clearly only going to be a one day deal...a short day at that ;)

After explaining to the customer the process, what I needed and how things would go, and that there really wasn't two days worth of milling to do but I'd get all he had done for him either way, I got to milling.

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Customer wanted a LOT of beams...but didn't have a lot of logs.  He also wanted all beams FOHC which is no problem, as long as the logs are big enough to make the beams with no heart.  I got busy though and managed to make him 5 6x8's, one 5x8, and 6 6x6's plus a lot of full dimension 2x4's and 2x6's and a couple dozen 1x`10's (16 footers) with what he had.  Since he wanted a lot more, and has the trees to do it, I suspect I'll be back :)

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His helper got better and better and by the end of the day I was milling 24" 16 foot pines into 1x's in 40 minutes or so :)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on August 18, 2017, 09:11:34 AM
It's good to see you back "up and at um".   8)

Texted or emailed pictures sometime are helpful.   ;D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: sealark37 on August 18, 2017, 03:47:31 PM
Most Marines that I know are walking wounded.  You certainly saw in some beautiful places.  I enjoy following your jobs.   Regards, Clark
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Post by: grouch on August 18, 2017, 07:11:31 PM
Good to see you back!

Are you gonna just leave us wondering about that smashed toe? (You don't have to go so far as a Magicman gruesome photo, but what'd the doc say?)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: rjwoelk on August 19, 2017, 09:38:03 AM
Customer wanted a LOT of beams...but didn't have a lot of logs.  He also wanted all beams FOHC which is no problem, as long as the logs are big enough to make the beams with no heart.
:D  Need a log streacher and expander.
Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 19, 2017, 10:05:17 AM
Walking wounded LOL you got that right!   :D ;D

Toe is cracked across the bone but not completed broken (unless I broke it the rest of the way when I later kicked a bar stool (at home), toenail has been removed and next two over is just bruised.  Pretty lucky I suppose but I don't heal like I used to! lol  Right shoulder is now worse than it was before due to wrenching to log off my foot I suspect.

But it won't stop me ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 23, 2017, 09:51:43 PM
Looks like another two job in the works in a couple weeks :)  Still healing from the injury (shoulder is pretty sore from wrenching the log off my foot -- I guess) but confident I can get serious again.  It's been a slow summer this year due to injuries but I've passed 91,000bf on this mill :D
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Post by: Peter Drouin on August 23, 2017, 10:06:40 PM
91,000 bf :o  Good for you.  8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 24, 2017, 09:03:18 AM
92579 actually :)  But I do realize some would do that in a year or less rather than ~18 months :)
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 24, 2017, 09:49:07 AM
   Maybe so but many more take many years if ever to reach that. Very well done. Watch the sore hoof and keep on keeping us posted.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on August 24, 2017, 12:28:04 PM
That is a fantastic sawing rate especially considering the fact that you still have a "real job".   8)
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Post by: ncsawyer on August 24, 2017, 03:18:46 PM
Congrats on the "milestone"! My new mill has cut right at 100,000 bdft if I include what I've cut for myself, but I got mine in March of 2015.  So I have had mine just shy of 2.5 years, but I'm just a weekend warrior with a regular 9-5 job.   
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on August 24, 2017, 08:54:02 PM
Hey Eric you are doing well!
I know I didnt get that volume till in my 3rd year.

I am some where north of 400MBF just by the total hours on the mill but I don't know exactly because I didn't record MBF yield on a lot of hourly (most of my work). 1950 ish hours at 225BF per hour is 438MBF.

My mill is 10 years old this week.   
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: grouch on August 25, 2017, 05:10:42 AM
Bunch of slackers. I've only had mine 2 years and I'm already on my fifth blade.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 25, 2017, 04:12:24 PM
Quote from: ncsawyer on August 24, 2017, 03:18:46 PM
Congrats on the "milestone"! My new mill has cut right at 100,000 bdft if I include what I've cut for myself, but I got mine in March of 2015.  So I have had mine just shy of 2.5 years, but I'm just a weekend warrior with a regular 9-5 job.

Thanks :)  But I'm a 9-5er (actually more like 6:30 to 5) on a second job too! ;)

I mill mostly on weekends and the odd vacation day off.
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Post by: WDH on August 25, 2017, 04:13:24 PM
Grouch, probably ready for the Dull Blade Hall of Fame   ;D.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: grouch on August 25, 2017, 07:12:19 PM
Quote from: WDH on August 25, 2017, 04:13:24 PM
Grouch, probably ready for the Dull Blade Hall of Fame   ;D.

The spalted maple spoiled me and the stinky oak enlightened me. Lumpy boards are not fun to use.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Percy on August 30, 2017, 10:50:33 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on August 23, 2017, 09:51:43 PM
Looks like another two job in the works in a couple weeks :)  Still healing from the injury (shoulder is pretty sore from wrenching the log off my foot -- I guess) but confident I can get serious again.  It's been a slow summer this year due to injuries but I've passed 91,000bf on this mill :D
Thats great (91000+)considering you work a day job. You remind me of me, 20 years ago. Busted toes, sore shoulders, burnin the candle at both ends.....life is good.....Eventually I ditched the "real" job and mill steady to this day. I can see you doing that eventually as milling opportunities seem abundant in your area and you aint afraid of the work. I see a bigger mill with autoclutch and other features that make life easier in your future.... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 31, 2017, 02:58:57 PM
I have autoclutch now :)  LT40HD :)

My day job is too good to retire from it anytime soon though ;)

Got a couple jobs in the works now but admit I've taken it a bit slower this summer and bought a boat to go out on the lake with instead of working ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 01, 2017, 10:09:56 AM
 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/UnknownVisit.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1504274946)
I think this is my favorite pic right now :)

It's from May but I ran into it today and thought "what a great shot!" :D
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on September 01, 2017, 10:23:15 AM
Hi Eric
That is real good pic.

My mill bought me a boat too. Its not a big one but it is all I need for a some peace and quite and some good fishing. Came from a customers hay shed and probably hadn't seen the water in 20 years but the price was very right and it was in good shape on a real nice trailer.

I enjoy them both a lot.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 09, 2017, 12:25:58 PM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_1935_281024x49629.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1504974227)
A recent customer (spring) popped by today to give me this!  I milled up an old walnut for him (just one small log since he is a neighbor) and am thrilled to have this piece of it to put up somewhere :)

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_1941_28640x35729.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1504974228)
Nice guy who retired from he aerospace industry as a woodworker (yup, someone has to make mock up models of rockets I guess).

Pretty thrilled with this one :)
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Post by: Peter Drouin on September 09, 2017, 12:49:27 PM
 smiley_thumbsup
nice
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Darrel on September 09, 2017, 10:57:56 PM
Wow Eric!  I'd be thrilled too!  That is really nice, and a really nice makers mark too!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on September 10, 2017, 10:07:27 AM
That is some fine craftsmanship.

I bet there will be some competition in the family for that piece down the road. 
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Post by: Ljohnsaw on September 10, 2017, 11:02:55 AM
That is a beautiful piece of work! 

Is it just me or does the mark play tricks on other's eyes.  If I look at it in the center, I see the mark being carved INTO the wood (stamped?).  If I look over at the wood plane, it reverses and I see it more as an embossed (raised) carving!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: grouch on September 10, 2017, 04:19:16 PM
Quote from: ljohnsaw on September 10, 2017, 11:02:55 AM
That is a beautiful piece of work! 

Is it just me or does the mark play tricks on other's eyes.  If I look at it in the center, I see the mark being carved INTO the wood (stamped?).  If I look over at the wood plane, it reverses and I see it more as an embossed (raised) carving!

Man, I hate to be the one to bum you out, but the 60s are over. Put down that pipe, dude. And stop Bogartin'.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: larrydown60 on September 11, 2017, 12:28:46 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on August 09, 2017, 01:22:57 PM
Decided to have it checked out.  My no skyrockets in hospitals
I had to have 2 plates and screws put in my 2 broken toes after falling down some stairs 5 and 1/2 months later and still in pain, so I feel your pain I have since bought some steel toed boots I feel safer with them on good luck with the feeling

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/40619/595.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1505103924) 

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Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Jemclimber on September 11, 2017, 07:04:38 AM
Here we go with the ugly foot contest started by Magicman.  :D   And the winner is..........
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: grouch on September 11, 2017, 04:57:39 PM
No milling that ugly thing. Not even fit for firewood. Just toss it deep in the woods and let the wildlife figure out what to do with it.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 18, 2017, 09:10:45 AM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/Capture~3.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1505739473)
Headed out on my 131 mile drive to Mead WA (30 minutes north of Spokane) to spend a couple days milling.

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Didn't get many pics of day one but this cedar came up on day two :)  I was milling all kinds of stuff from white pine to Doug fir and red fir to cedar and walnut!

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20170917_105213_281024x76829.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1505739472)
After some 1" stuff the customer decided he wanted 5/8" x 8" and I started cranking those out.  This was for siding on a pump house and he was very happy with what was coming off the mill.

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This big Walnut was the last log of the weekend.  It was over 30" at the butt and the small end was a crotch, the middle measured over 24" after the branch (which was cut flush) so it would be an unruly bugger to mill ;)

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I had to pull out all the stops!  Lowered side supports, using the log clamp and claw to turn, holding the claw out so it would grab the log, gun barrelling (more or less) and more!  It was a beast but I got it done :D

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_1976_281024x76829.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1505739474)
After the first cuts it was still very tough to roll but with perseverance comes reward :)

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I kept at it and later the customers son (about 30yrs old) said "wow!  You can really manipulate those controls!  I was watching you use the clamp thing and the claw thing like extensions of your hands.  It was pretty cool" :)

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Not quite there but getting there, had to square things up here then could finish milling down to the heart.  The customer wanted a 4" slab out of the heart as wide as I could get.  We got just shy of 20" after coming under some damage from the big branch that came out of the tree when it was live which left a deep hole, once past that though we were golden.  They will use this for a mantel.

He also found some nice gun stock material and of course another 300+ bf of walnut to use for whatever (he planned to just burn some and I was like "what!!!")

Going back in two weeks to mill for another day as we just couldn't get it all done this weekend.

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Post by: crowhill on September 18, 2017, 09:26:40 AM
Nicely done!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: WDH on September 18, 2017, 04:47:01 PM
Looks like that you split the pith to get the 8" wide siding material.  Is side bend not an issue?
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 18, 2017, 04:56:29 PM
Quote from: WDH on September 18, 2017, 04:47:01 PM
Looks like that you split the pith to get the 8" wide siding material.  Is side bend not an issue?

I missed it by 1/4" LOL but ya, I split it.  The lumber is for an old pump house and he just wanted either 8" or 10"....guess I could have done it differently but figured at worst only those right at the center would bend on him.  Maybe I'm wrong???

I usually always avoid splitting the pith (MM's advice was NEVER to split it) but in this case it seemed the way to get the most out of the log the fastest cutting 5/8" stuff.

Still got lots to learn -- I'll admit it! lol
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Post by: Magicman on September 18, 2017, 07:23:54 PM
Oh I saw the split pith this morning when you made the post but I was not going to question your motive.   :P
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: coxy on September 18, 2017, 07:52:53 PM
ok what is split the pith mean  ??? cutting the heart in half :-\
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 18, 2017, 08:22:32 PM
Pith is the very center, usually about the size of a pencil or smaller.  I didn't split it and was off by about 1/2" however the boards with it or just off may have too much movement.  The rest should be fine so experience has shown me.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20170917_105219.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1505780501)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on September 18, 2017, 09:35:32 PM
Nice job there,  8) 8)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: WDH on September 18, 2017, 09:48:02 PM
Yes Sir.  Only the boards from the middle that contain the juvenile wood will go delinquent (juvenile delinquent boards  :D).  Your species may have a small juvenile core.  This SYP down here can have a large juvenile core, especially the fast grown stuff, and that juvenile wood will give you fits  :). 
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Post by: Deese on September 19, 2017, 03:23:11 PM
This is how I saw syp framing lumber. The pith is centered in the middle 4" wide beam. As WDH stated, and as you can see, this log has a large juvenile core, roughly the size of a baseball. I sawed these 16' long 2x4's last week.


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/33361/20170913_120155.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1505848950)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on September 19, 2017, 04:32:46 PM
Excellent picture.  I have it's sister in my Gallery.   ;D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: fishfighter on September 19, 2017, 04:50:17 PM
Quote from: Deese on September 19, 2017, 03:23:11 PM
This is how I saw syp framing lumber. The pith is centered in the middle 4" wide beam. As WDH stated, and as you can see, this log has a large juvenile core, roughly the size of a baseball. I sawed these 16' long 2x4's last week.


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/33361/20170913_120155.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1505848950)

Yep, that is how I do it too! But, I have to remove each slab to be able to saw down. :(
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Darrel on September 19, 2017, 05:03:30 PM
I posted this pic in a different thread but I think it fits well here too.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/35121/image~21.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1505358293)

The log I cut these from was a 16' banana and as you can see, the boards stayed straight until the juvenile wood entered into the edge of them on the last 3 feet. I knew it would be a problem at the time but wanted to see if I could get away with it and I didn't.
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Post by: grouch on September 19, 2017, 06:08:14 PM
Darrel,

I don't want to meet whoever is going to use those slightly oversized hockey sticks.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on September 20, 2017, 05:54:36 AM
Deese, you should cut a sq, cant then divide into 2x4 . Your way you lost lumber. You could have made a 2x6 or 8 with the the top cut .
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on September 20, 2017, 08:33:12 AM
True Peter, especially in your instance when you are sawing your logs.  But when custom sawing for a customer, you saw the cut list.  He very well might not want any 2X6's or 2X8's.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Jim_Rogers on September 20, 2017, 09:16:28 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on September 18, 2017, 08:22:32 PM
Pith is the very center, usually about the size of a pencil or smaller.  I didn't split it and was off by about 1/2" however the boards with it or just off may have too much movement.  The rest should be fine so experience has shown me.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20170917_105219.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1505780501)

Normally when I see a crack in the end of a log like this: (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20170917_105219.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1505780501)

I rotate the log so that the crack is horizontal. That way it either ends up all in one board/plank or in a cut, if you're lucky.
In this position you are going to have that crack in the end of all those boards. Just my way of rotating a log. Sometimes you have other factors that don't allow you to rotate it but I can't think of one right now.

Jim Rogers
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on September 20, 2017, 09:57:18 AM
Jim,

   I try to do the same thing. I start with the main crack completely vertical, slab off the first cut, rotate 180 degrees and cut to my final board width then rotate 90 degree, take off the wane, rotate 180 degrees again and start on my mark to end exactly on a finished board. This puts the crack horizontal as you describe.

   The monkey wrench in the gears is when there are multiple cracks at various angles then you just do the best you can. Hardwoods are much worse for pith cracks than pine in my experience.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Deese on September 20, 2017, 10:56:06 AM
Quote from: Peter Drouin on September 20, 2017, 05:54:36 AM
Deese, you should cut a sq, cant then divide into 2x4 . Your way you lost lumber. You could have made a 2x6 or 8 with the the top cut .

Yes Sir you are right.  The guy actually needed 35 2x4's and 40 2x6's. This was a dead pine I cut down from our property earlier that morning. But, this was my last log currently available and I would have ended up with 34 2x4's if I didn't get that top middle one.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 20, 2017, 02:04:52 PM
I had other logs I was able to slice the crack that way but in this case it was 'either/or' as the other end was checked also.  Luckily the crack was short and the 13' lumber will all be cut down to 8' in the end ;)

This customer wanted either 8" or 10" boards and I could have cut it down to 10" and then sliced away boxing in the pith on one but with the time to cut 5/8" lumber I decided to go ahead and split the log this way and make two at a time. 

On a side note I got a BIG tip on this one :D  More for the walnut I suppose, which was a monster to mill but the customer was very happy in the end.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: 4x4American on September 20, 2017, 10:11:23 PM
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on September 20, 2017, 09:16:28 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on September 18, 2017, 08:22:32 PM
Pith is the very center, usually about the size of a pencil or smaller.  I didn't split it and was off by about 1/2" however the boards with it or just off may have too much movement.  The rest should be fine so experience has shown me.

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Normally when I see a crack in the end of a log like this: (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20170917_105219.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1505780501)

I rotate the log so that the crack is horizontal. That way it either ends up all in one board/plank or in a cut, if you're lucky.
In this position you are going to have that crack in the end of all those boards. Just my way of rotating a log. Sometimes you have other factors that don't allow you to rotate it but I can't think of one right now.

Jim Rogers


A little crack like that should clean up in the trim on the log.  Besides, go look at the other end of the log, probably another crack and it's twisted the other way.  When I'm cutting cants for the resaw if there is a big crack i make it perpendicular to the bed, saw two faces down to my cant size and then stand it up and cut in half to make 3 sided cants and then the crack will be parallel to a cut when the resaw gets it and hopefully only take out one board.  Or if I'm lucky it's in a spot where the sawmill can split the crack.  Things that would make me favor something else before accomadating a crack are knot placement, rot placement, sweep, can my sawhead fit this way lol
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on September 21, 2017, 06:31:03 AM
Deese, You do what have to.
Magicman, When I was on the road sawing I would tell the customers there is always over run from cutting logs. Do you want 1" or 2". I don't put $$$ in the slab pile.I got paid for all the lumber in the log.  I did fill the cut list and cut by the BF.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 30, 2017, 11:50:21 PM
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Just under 98,000bf on this mill now :)  Arrived onsite at just after 8am and milled until 5Pm :)  Was a good day and netted 1749.6bf though I might have done more but the customer moved a lot of wood faster than I was calculating it!

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Split this one but found milling near 18" wide with the 4 degree bands can be slow so dumped off one cant and hit two at a time instead and then set to taking down the last one..

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I sometimes look back at these pics and think: "maybe I should have nicked off those edges a bit better" but I got some 2x4's out of them.

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So the day was going well until.....and then a hit another!  Two bands hit nails :(

Did a fair amount of walnut (4 logs) which slowed me down a bunch or I would have done more in less time but it was a good day anyway :)

Another tip too :D

Gotta love it.

On to 100Mbf!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 30, 2017, 11:59:15 PM
https://youtu.be/di4stsNmCls
And now for some action ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: grouch on October 01, 2017, 12:33:57 PM
Looks like some nice logs with at least 1 goofy looking one in the pile.
It also looks like you laid down a nice carpet of sawdust!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 01, 2017, 01:55:08 PM
The goofy ones are the walnut.  I explained that my experience with branches are that they tend to move a lot but I will mill anything a customer wants me to mill.  I mill by the hour and if they want to experiment I'm all for it.  Milled 4 walnut branches into 2"x4" boards that they plan to dry and plane down to at least 1 1/2" x 3 1/2".  Guess we'll see.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 01, 2017, 01:57:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLi3dHPbuiY
This was right before the last....should have added them together
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 01, 2017, 01:59:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja2xzI0m1vI
These 4 degree bands are definitely slower but cut a nicer, flatter, smoother finish.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 25, 2017, 01:24:32 PM
Got some maintenance done on the mill today. Just simple things like oiling the rails with ATF, topping off the oil, running the motor to burn off more fuel (down about 1/4 tank and thinking of adding some ethanol free mixed with stabil for the winter.


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Pulled the tarp off which we'd pulled over the mill a month or so ago to keep the rain off and got to work.



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After firing it up I noticed it's turned 391 hours :)


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See :)  Still got a way to go but suspect I can hit the 500 mark no problem in the spring if the shoulder holds up!



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Should get something to get the pitch off I suppose ;) But you can see the paint wearing off where my hands ride....sign of use?



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Last years negligence (no tarp all winter and lots of standing snow on the mill) was sufficient enough to remind me to coat the rails heavily with ATF and cover with a tarp this year!

I may mill next weekend if the shoulder allows me to (and the neck)...and the weather.  I thought to take off the rest of the winter but someone needs 20 10 footers milled up....could do in a day or so if all goes well but more likely two since rough calc on the logs says 3600bf if the customer is close (he says 24" diameter at the small end....I'm guess ave 20 to come up with 3600 but could be a lot less.  I've done that much in a day though but it really requires lots of daylight, a good crew and good equipment.

And since I have to drive 2+ hours to get there, setup and then start milling I'm guessing 6hrs on day one for 1800bf-2400bf.....
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: submarinesailor on November 25, 2017, 05:34:23 PM
Eric,
After a little bit of experimenting, we found that Fluid Film (https://www.fluid-film.com/products/fluid-film-aerosol-non-aerosol-bulk/) works better than anything else.  We also take a piece of schedule 40 PVC pipe, split it length wise and slip it down over the rail.  If you are planning on storing it for the winter, I would look at the Fluid Film.

Bruce
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 25, 2017, 05:42:52 PM
   I have same issue with pine pitch on mine. I take it off best i can with WD40 and lots of elbow grease. It is bad on bottom where slings off the blade when cutting. I need to try that fluid film.

   You're way ahead of me on bf. I think I have 490 hours and a little over 73,000 bf. A little over 148 bf/running hour. I cut a lot of shorter, small diameter hardwood into 4/4. I'm envious of that long straight western softwoods you get. Of course you also have a bigger mill and can make a wider cut than me. I'm thinking that 28" width vs my 23" cut makes a big difference when you can throw 2- 12" wide cants on the mill and really generate some output.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: crowhill on November 26, 2017, 07:14:36 PM
Peanut Butter works great in removing pine pitch from one's hands. Wonder how it'd work on the mill?!!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: GAB on November 26, 2017, 07:25:43 PM
For pine pitch removal I've had good results with dry gas, a rag and elbow grease.
Note: I tried to stay away from the applique.
Gerald
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Kbeitz on November 26, 2017, 07:58:57 PM
Quote from: crowhill on November 26, 2017, 07:14:36 PM
Peanut Butter works great in removing pine pitch from one's hands. Wonder how it'd work on the mill?!!

I bet the squirrels would go nuts for it... It's bad enough the mice like
to stay there.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: crowhill on November 27, 2017, 11:04:42 AM
Keibtz, you clean the peanut off, don't leave it for the mice!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on November 27, 2017, 03:03:36 PM
i use plain old unsalted butter. The cheapest i can buy. works the best from all the things i have found and washes off with hot water from pressure sprayer.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 27, 2017, 06:10:17 PM
   Sorry but I'm not wasting my perfectly good peanut butter getting pitch off the mill! :D

    I'll stick with my WD40 and elbow grease till I find something better (and not edible).
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Resonator on November 27, 2017, 06:49:45 PM
Peanut butter is one on the best mouse trap baits you can use, I wouldn't put it on any machine in long term storage. IMHO.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: 4x4American on November 27, 2017, 07:42:45 PM
I heard mayonaisse works to get pitch off..my momma taught me not to play with my food though :D


I mean, what would you rather have on your sawmill; mayo, butter, peanut butter, salt, pepper, ketchup, hot sauce, or pitch lol
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Crusarius on November 28, 2017, 07:10:34 AM
only thing its missing is the bun :)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Darrel on November 28, 2017, 10:17:39 AM
Quote from: Crusarius on November 28, 2017, 07:10:34 AM
only thing its missing is the bun :)

You could use a 4° blade to slice the bun and just place the bun on a pitchy spot to hold it down so you wouldn't have to worry about squashing it with the clamp. :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Chop Shop on November 28, 2017, 03:39:41 PM
Butter works for pitch.

But I always have a can of gas at the mill and its cheaper.

When I saw pine with a circle blade it always smears/builds up behind the sides of the shanks/gullets.    I just scrape it off with a sharp putty knife and wipe the remaining film off with a gas or carb cleaner and a rag.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 30, 2017, 03:17:01 PM
Hate to be happy about waiting to do some milling but am kinda relieved my latest customer decided to wait for better weather!   8)

We were seeing snow and ice in the forecast this weekend and I really hate the idea of pulling the mill 150 miles in bad weather so am happy we're going to reschedule for the spring :)  That gives me 3 jobs for the spring now :D  Which I prefer since it sets up the new milling season nicely :)

How many of you pull your mills long distances in bad weather?  I've done it but cringe when I do as I'd hate to wreck my LT40 for a $1000 job!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Crusarius on November 30, 2017, 03:23:52 PM
I can't imagine what the salt would do to it after 1 trip. Do they use salt or corrosive road crap in WA?
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Kbeitz on November 30, 2017, 03:32:39 PM
Another thing slipping and falling on the ice is the last thing you want to do right now.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Crusarius on November 30, 2017, 03:38:55 PM
I have a set of kahtoola microspikes that prevents that. Worth every penny.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: paul case on November 30, 2017, 11:08:50 PM
A little sawdust on that ice and you wont slip on it. Melts faster too.
Even better solution is wait and saw it later.
PC
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 11, 2018, 11:52:31 AM
It's been a while!  But spring is pretty much here now to stay (should be 61F today and was 59F yesterday) which means I'm getting ready to start milling again. 

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First stop of the season was to this place 15 miles from my home (which is a rarity for me).  He has all this poplar that he felled last August and though it's pretty badly checked on the ends, peeling the bark shows it's still wet otherwise.  I advised to wack the ends off the logs and see what they looked like a couple feet down.  If good, end seal them and we'll take a look at what's inside after we finish the other logs he has.
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As you can see, there is some bad checks here.

However, he had 20 Ponderosa pine logs decked up that looked pretty decent though stained, and he had some locust too which might pan out for him.  One large locust he plans to fall and finally a bunch of small apple logs with some in the mix that might be worth cracking open.

So, later in the month, once he's decked all the best logs up for me, I'll head just a few miles away to start this years milling :) 

I then have about a half dozen customers lining up to have me out soon so I might be busy, assuming the neck injury doesn't slow me up too much.  I'm still experiencing referral pain in the right shoulder so hoping to take it easier this year...like maybe not milling every weekend ;)

Gotta do some camping too :)

OH and this customer?  He's a commercial bee keeper so we might strike up a deal to have him put a hive on our forest property on shares.  Don't know how much shares we'd get, don't really care.  If we get some honey out of the deal that would be perfect:)  Doesn't even need to be a lot.  Just think it would be cool and we could share with the kids :)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on March 11, 2018, 11:56:56 AM
It's good to see you finally come up for air Erik.  Looks like good sawing ahead.  8)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: WV Sawmiller on March 11, 2018, 01:14:05 PM
Erik,

   Glad to see your hibernation out there is over for the season. Keep us posted. Good luck with the bee project. Sounds like a win-win most any way you work that short of him parking them next to the mill.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on March 11, 2018, 01:16:47 PM
Good luck with the sawing.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 11, 2018, 02:01:13 PM
Thanks guys.  Got a 2.25mile walk in today and as long as I don't keep my head up too high the pain in my shoulder isn't there.  Funny that.  But I get back to walking in the nice weather as it helps a lot when milling all day long!  Next up is back to biking which helps too.

Got the new camper on order and getting tired of waiting for it ;D :snowball: and am just generally ready for spring, milling, fishing and camping!  WhooHoo!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: coxy on March 11, 2018, 09:17:22 PM
glad to here your up and running    would like to see pic of the apple wood lumber when you get them sawed 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: garre1tt on March 22, 2018, 01:46:07 PM
Eric, Glad to see the bee fellow gave you a call.  When I found out he was in your back yard I told him you are the man for the job.  Seemed like a real nice fellow on the phone and I learned a lot about bee boxes.  Hopefully the fellow from the Tri Cities calls you too.  Be interested in seeing if you would take that job.  Sounds like resawing RF bridge beams.  Think they may be coated in tar.  Sounds messy.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 25, 2018, 11:20:07 AM
Quote from: garre1tt on March 22, 2018, 01:46:07 PM
Eric, Glad to see the bee fellow gave you a call.  When I found out he was in your back yard I told him you are the man for the job.  Seemed like a real nice fellow on the phone and I learned a lot about bee boxes.  Hopefully the fellow from the Tri Cities calls you too.  Be interested in seeing if you would take that job.  Sounds like resawing RF bridge beams.  Think they may be coated in tar.  Sounds messy.
So you're the one!  Much thanks my friend.  I am always trying to pawn off, er I mean 'forward' leads that are up in northern Idaho when it starts pushing 150+miles from me.  Not that i won't travel, as I often do 100-150 miles for a job, but I like to get someone more local, or at least closer the chance if I can.  Specially when it's 50+ miles north of your area and I'll spend a day trying to get there before ever loading a log.  So, thanks :)  I'll remember it.
Haven't heard from the guy in the TC's yet.  Have had the odd customer down there but there is a couple gents down there with mills.  One of our members here has an LT15 that he uses and another has an LT40.  They are both stationary but I've sent work there way when it's small jobs or the customer has no location to mill onsite.
Spent the morning in Chelan yesterday looking over a bunch of logs (will post pics soon) for a 3 day job I have in the works, and have a 1 or 2 day gig in Manson to try to work in with the Chelan job (perhaps) and tomorrow I move the mill 15 miles south of me for the bee guy.  That will be my first of the year.
I am considering bringing on a young lad to train to be a professional off-bearer and log roller as I'm having trouble with my left shoulder now (no idea why) and of course, the disc problem in my neck but I will see how this job goes.  I figure I'm going to have to learn to operate the mill ONLY moving forward but that's HARD for this old jarhead ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 25, 2018, 02:43:46 PM
Got some maintenance done today.  First, I took off the tarp and wondered what I was in for.  I'd covered all exposed metal with Fluid Film last fall when I put the mill away for the winter and was pleasantly surprised when I looked today!  ALL IS WELL :D

So much better than ATF and no tarp ;)
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Next, after a good check over, some added fuel, a warm up on the engine and overall checks etc, I cleaned off the rail, relubed it with ATF which is what I'll use while milling and set to adjusting the belt tension which was rather loose (sitting all winter relaxed did that?  Hmmm....odd)
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First step for me is to do it wrong, by loosening the bottom jam nut and turning the main buckle...... :snowball: :( Then i smack myself, go back to the book and do it all over again the right way! lol
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In the end, after double and triple checking i thought I was wrong when it comes to the autoclutch turn buckle but the drive brake works well...maybe I'm reading it wrong but it seems I need a little time to recheck things.  The book says I should see 1/16th to 1/4 of an inch of the turn buckle when the clutch is off and I do not.
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So far it's going well, just need to get some grease to grease all the zirts and check the hydraulic fluid and I'm ready to hit the road on my next job :)

Cheers
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on March 25, 2018, 04:12:22 PM
You gotta have that space on the turnbuckle.  Without it the engine is resting on the turnbuckle instead of all of the engine weight resting on the brake pad.  Adjust your brake.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 25, 2018, 08:47:38 PM
Quote from: Magicman on March 25, 2018, 04:12:22 PM
You gotta have that space on the turnbuckle.  Without it the engine is resting on the turnbuckle instead of all of the engine weight resting on the brake pad.  Adjust your brake.
Thanks!  I knew someone would set me straight on that one ;)
I'll sort it asap!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on March 26, 2018, 06:42:19 AM
Don't forget the wheel bearings.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 27, 2018, 09:01:29 AM
After 6 months of not milling I must admit it hit me yesterday like this "crap!  what else am I forgetting?" as I was loading up the truck to head out and realized I needed to grab shims LOL
 
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I got the book out again and adjusted the brake....over and over and over.  I found that I could adjust it until I was blue in the face and it would not be right but if I tested it by first trying to rotate the belt by hand with the clutch off, and then running the engine, engaging and disengaging the clutch and THEN checked the turn buckle it would be different.  That difference could be 1/4"!!!

So after much messing with it, and finally getting the brake to stop the band, just, and checking the turn buckle I settled at 1/4" and left it.  I am now interested in what tricks you all employ to get it right?

Heading off soon for the first mill job of the year with a out of place left shoulder (no idea how or why since it's not the usual one I have trouble with) and a disc problem in my neck (or so I'm told without the MRI) and wondering:  how on earth do you run a mill without moving logs? moving lumber? etc".

Wish me luck
Erik
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: derhntr on March 27, 2018, 09:42:57 AM
Eric, I started having problems with my left shoulder and left elbow. Been to the pain doctor and have got 2 injections in my neck. I had instant relief. I am sure that its not good for future health but lets me function. I don't have to pop pain pills daily now. 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on March 27, 2018, 09:51:23 AM
Sorry to hear about the shoulder, but thankfully you do have the auto clutch.  ;D

It sounds like I do what you did.  First adjust the turnbuckle to get the proper belt tension and then adjust the brake to get the ¼" gap on the turnbuckle.

Having had both the manual and the auto clutch, it's well worth the extra effort.    :)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 27, 2018, 10:52:34 PM
Thanks gang :)  She's running nicely now!

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First log of 2018 goes up on the mill :)  Got a pile of pine, some apple and some locust (so I'm told but I'm not sure) to mill up before getting into more pine and poplar

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Lunch and the last of the pine is ready to mill.  I had 4 logs up and 4 down in the first 60 minutes or so and it sure felt good to be milling again!

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The last small apple 'log' on the forks but I just couldn't take the dust storm!  30-45mph winds were kicking up dust from nearby fields and just killing us and at some point I said "ok, I'm done!"  I was starting to have trouble seeing down the line at times and realized things were not safe that way.

Funny thing, when I took this pic it was much worse than it looks!
Not even sure what my production was today but I know it's over 700 board feet (which seems crappy for 5 hours of milling but nearly 600 in the first 2 1/2 hours before getting into little apple 'logs' but the customer wanted the 1x4's I was making out of them and was very happy with them.

I could not, however, mill out the stress in those little apples!  They face bent every darn time and no matter how much I flipped them they never stopped.  I'm guess orchard trees are like that but he felt he could strap them down, dry them and plane out whatever he didn't like so I'm willing to mill them up for him (he's paying me by the hour -- of course since that's what I charge but I thought I'd mention it).

Not sure what can be done with a 'log' that gives you a 4x4.5" cant LOL

Anyway, back tomorrow and Thursday and loving it :D and he said he has another job for me so we'll see!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: rjwoelk on March 28, 2018, 07:28:34 AM
Do you have pic of the apple wood?
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: terrifictimbersllc on March 28, 2018, 08:08:35 AM
If they face bend in one orientation shouldn't they face bend less and crook more if sawn at 90 to that?  If so that would be better. Just an idea. 

Sure you got enough room for the mill there? tight squeeze.  :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 28, 2018, 08:57:25 AM
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on March 28, 2018, 08:08:35 AM
If they face bend in one orientation shouldn't they face bend less and crook more if sawn at 90 to that?  If so that would be better. Just an idea.

Sure you got enough room for the mill there? tight squeeze.  :D
They would crown but you do not want crown for things like wood you used to make a table, flooring, paneling etc.
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Post by: Resonator on March 28, 2018, 09:25:57 AM
Might want to save some applewood for grilling, (https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/food4.gif) I've seen it listed for $40+ for a 6-10 lb. bag. 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 28, 2018, 08:10:37 PM
Quote from: rjwoelk on March 28, 2018, 07:28:34 AM
Do you have pic of the apple wood?
Darn!  I didn't get any but will try to!  They were banding it up and hauling it off as fast I could mill it up!
Milled a bunch more today but did not get a count :(  I milled the last apple log, then some pine, followed by locust (that stuff is beautify and HARD!) and then more pine followed by a bunch of poplar.  The customer said "you rock!  you're killing it!  I'm thoroughly impressed!  I'm going to have you back!  We'll mill all day tomorrow and then set a date to come back and mill as much of that poplar as we can before the summer!
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Early in the day


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Then this happened :D
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The help was awesome and they kept it up all day
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Making sawdust is just good for the soul :)
I finished the day turning about 18 1x8's to 1/10's into 1x3/8" sticks for their bee hives.  Hard to see what that yield was but the customer was stoked at how fast I could turn those suckers into 3/8" trim boards for him.  He told me the 3 bundles we made wouldn't even make one project! and wants MORE MORE MORE!  Good thing I charge by the hour.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 28, 2018, 08:12:45 PM
Holy logs batman!  This customer called and wanted me to check out his logs and see if there was any lumber in there.....ahhhh......


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To be honest, I'm not sure if he wants to mill much of it but he's looking for options.....there is a TON in there!
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Post by: Darrel on March 28, 2018, 10:20:02 PM
Looks like there might be some saw logs in there, but I'm sure that there a lot more firewood. 
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Post by: woodyone.john on March 28, 2018, 10:22:31 PM
What's the quality of timber he's after  
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 30, 2018, 08:46:14 AM
Quote from: woodyone.john on March 28, 2018, 10:22:31 PM
What's the quality of timber he's after  
He doesn't know.  I explained a little about poplar to him but my knowledge is from speaking with a cabinet maker or two and reading online since I don't use it.  Pretty stuff though.

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I didn't get many pics of the stuff but all in all I thought "wander what this would look like as a..." often when milling it.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 30, 2018, 08:48:57 AM
Quote from: rjwoelk on March 28, 2018, 07:28:34 AM
Do you have pic of the apple wood?
I do now, but first here is a pic of the locust poplar (oopsie, I thought I had one of the locust and then realized I did not).  It was quite yellow and very hard.
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and now for the grand prize :D  This apple cost him a lot since the logs were small.  I was only getting 1x4's and 1x5's out of it but it sure was pretty stuff

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I guess he plans to make a table out of it.
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Post by: NorcalMatt on March 30, 2018, 08:56:51 AM
Nice work jarhead!

Is he using steel to band the lumber? Does steel ever discolor the wood?
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 30, 2018, 09:07:38 AM
About 3200bf done this weekend.  The apple and locust really slowed me down on the first and second day but we knocked about 2/3rds of the total (if not more but I was being lazy until today on keeping tally) on the last day (yesterday).  I have to get better at keep tracking of the production when the help is that good!  Boards came off the mill as fast as I could make them! 8)

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Setup at the new spot and was ready to mill by 8:30am


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As the logs came up, I knocked them down but the customers help just kept bucking up more and more of them!


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After milling about 20-24 logs (I don't count logs anymore but may go back to doing that) I spent an hour making 3x8x1" strips for his bee boxes and pallets.  Must have made 200 of those suckers!  That's a lot of sawdust.  I set the setworks to 7/16 (which he wanted) and ripped the flitches down....over and over and over again ;)

Going back in May to do a few more days.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 30, 2018, 09:09:21 AM
Quote from: NorcalMatt on March 30, 2018, 08:56:51 AM
Nice work jarhead!

Is he using steel to band the lumber? Does steel ever discolor the wood?
Thanks.
It is a plastic/nylon type band.  Doesn't care if the wood stains since it's all for the bee boxes (except the locust and apple).  He was a cabinet maker for several years so seems to know his wood well.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 16, 2018, 12:54:05 PM
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Ready to get underway to the next milling job 100miles from home.  Camper packed and ready, mill loaded up and ready and I headed to the scales.  Without the mill in tow and no mill gear in the back seat area of the truck (and minus a few other light items) the truck weighed in over 12000lbs.  My E rated tires are rated at 4080#'s ea so with a rear axle tire rating of 8160, stables loads (upper and lower) and air bags I wasn't too concerned when the rear axle weight was 7680.  However, I'd had the hitch beefed up (basically a custom superhitch) and added the 36" supertruss extention I new I was starting to get closer to what the tires could handle.  The rear end is actually rated by (Visteon) the manufacturer) at 9750#'s so I wasn't worried there but getting close to max on the tires was a concern.

I figured the mill had a light tongue weight and thought I'd still be under but I was wrong!  With the mill in tow, about 100#'s of hitch and truss and all the gear etc I weighed in over 13000#'s!  Rear end sat at 8240 -- 80 pounds over the tires :(

Decided to drive slow (55) and see who she did.  Research told me the tires are rated at 4080lbs given standard road speeds (legal limits) and 50,000 miles so in theory, 40 pounds over on the two rears and lower speed (less heat) should be fine.

I headed out and got 9MPG on the 100 mile drive (with some good hills to climb) and all seemed fine.  Felt the tires and hubs at the end of the drive and they were cool.  I think I'm ok!

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I arrived at the location, set the mill in front of the logs, dropped it, pulled ahead and set up the camper :)  Life was good!

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21 logs turned into 22 by day two but I knew I could get them all done :)

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After milling up some locust I got into real logs :)  Customer wanted 3x12's out of this guy so I offset the pith and split that sucker!

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Another big log and more 3x12's

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The customer wrote on all the logs what he wanted :)  Very nice.

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At the end of the day I'd milled 2300bf of various stuff from small locust and walnut logs to big fir.  It was a good day and I was ready for a shower, a drink and some chow!
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The awning helped keep the rain off my gear and I was really loving the generator!  I could run my compressor during every blade change and get things cleaned up nicely with air! :D

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Some of the days results

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After a shower in a bathroom that I actually can use! dinner and a drink I was ready to crash and the nicely laid out 'bedroom' was rather inviting!  I crashed at 8pm!  Can you tell I took too long off milling?

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Couple cups of coffee in the morning and a little breakfast and I was ready to clean up some flitches and get to the big monster log waiting for me :)

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This big log was 9 feet long and measured 42" outside the bark on the long axis.  I knew it would be a fun one!  But before loading it up we removed a 4" screw clamp used to clamp phone wire to the tree!  It was HUGE

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Not much room for play here!

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Time to start gun barrelling this sucker down!

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After getting into it we found 5 or 6 nails (DanGit) and the customers worker offered to trim bark with the chainsaw.

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At least he put safety glasses on but I have to admit it makes me nervous seeing others run a saw without at least having chaps on.

On a side note, I got my Husky 576xpw out since it was newly rebuilt (thank you Husky and Bailey's) and it ran well.  I didn't push it hard wanted to be sure it was well broken in and ran Husky bar oil and TruFuel 50:1 in it.  So far so good.

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Later in the day the last big log was milled into 1x4's.  I was having trouble with knots causing waves and cursed myself for bringing the wrong box of bands (only brought 10's but meant to bring a box of 4's) which cut fine all day, and later but not on the big wood with knots.  Changed bands, checked everything and determined the 10's just suck on big cuts with knots and discounted the customer the 3 bands I cut nails with in exchange for what I felt were poor 1x4's.  He said he was happy with them anyway but accepted the exchange :)  But then I'll be back in May so I'd say it's worth it!

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Clean 3x12's cut nice and square.  I knew my belt tension was fine or this could not have happened!  Darn 10's.  I'm starting to only use them on small wood now and replace them with 4's or 7's when I need replacements.

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Oh Arctic Fox 990 how I love the! :D  
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The LT40 turned 428 and I need to do some maintenance before next weekend where I'll drive 110-120 miles to the next job and mill up a dozen logs or so.  Then I'm off a week or two and back to milling local for a few days, then back to Chelan to mill 20 burned pines.  I'm busy through to June now :)

Cheers

Erik


Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Weekend_Sawyer on April 16, 2018, 01:50:27 PM
Nice going Eric,
I'm still enjoying watching your milling adventures.

Jon
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: WV Sawmiller on April 16, 2018, 02:08:49 PM
Eric,

   Can I have your customer call mine as to the log marking idea and such. I like that. As often as not when I get there the customer has no idea what he wants. I bet the 3X12's got a little heavy by the end of the job.

   On the blades I'm replacing all mine with 4's as I go along too. They'll cut anything while the 10s only seem to like certain softer logs with no knots.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 16, 2018, 02:18:24 PM
Thanks guys :)

Most customers only have some rough ideas but this guy knew what he was doing :)  He used to have a guy with a Timberking nearby but it burned in a fire.

Oh and I didn't have to pick up a single piece of lumber this trip :D  The help was awesome.
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Post by: paul case on April 16, 2018, 06:15:26 PM
Nice work there!

BTW I think you got one too many zeros in your truck/camper/mill weight.

PC
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Post by: 47sawdust on April 16, 2018, 06:28:28 PM
Come a long way from that LT10.
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Post by: DPatton on April 16, 2018, 07:00:33 PM
Great pics Eric. That's a real nice setup and I bet it is perfect for you. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on April 16, 2018, 07:12:56 PM
Kinda makes ya wanna go buy a camper don't it?  :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 16, 2018, 07:41:17 PM
Thanks guys.  Fixed the zero's! lol

yes a LONG way from the stationary LT10 and even then from the CSM! :D

Loving the camper really and going to put a TV in it now~!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 25, 2018, 08:58:58 PM
Quote from: rjwoelk on March 28, 2018, 07:28:34 AM
Do you have pic of the apple wood?
Hey nice meeting you yesterday!  Sorry about all the work calls! LOL now you know what my days (and evenings sometimes) are like when I'm not milling.
Safe travels!
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Post by: rjwoelk on April 26, 2018, 01:14:03 AM
Thanks for the visit. It is good to meet fellow ff members in person.
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Post by: Rjwassink67 on April 26, 2018, 01:56:30 PM
Wow, just made it through the whole thread!  What an adventure you have been on!  It was amazing to see where you have started and what you have learned and accomplished in such a short time.  All of your hard work has paid off.  We don't own a mill yet, that has to wait until my wife's military career is done, but I read and follow everyone on here for now.  Thanks for taking us along!
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 27, 2018, 09:29:23 AM
Thanks and thank you wife for her service :)  (and you yours if you also served).

Hard to believe I went from this:
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To this....
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To this...
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To all of this! :D Since 2010!
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But I've enjoyed it all and FF has played a HUGE part in my being able to do so!
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Post by: Magicman on April 27, 2018, 09:42:54 AM
And I thank you for allowing us to enjoy your journey.   8)
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 09, 2018, 07:26:08 PM
Thanks MM :)

Had a LONG day yesterday!  Whew!  Longest day I think.  Left the house at 6am and drove the 120 miles or so to the customer location, setup and began milling.  He'd originally told me he had 9 logs but the night before he called and said he'd picked up more so I'd have enough to work on....so much for a short day! lol

Turned out he had 17 logs to mill and a couple hard woods (that I'm still not sure what they are but maybe maple?  The bark was burned off but the wood was good still).  In fact, all of the logs were fire burned but most produced good lumber.  8 hrs of milling later and I was tearing down and dropping the hammer to head home!  Got in just after 9pm and was smoked!  Long day!

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The umbrella didn't help much as the sun was beating down on me from different directions (can't wait to get the new one installed) but it did help some, specially on breaks!  This is 2hrs into the day.

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2 hours down and 4 logs done...got work to do and it's BRIGHT out!  Got up to 80F or so and not much of a breeze but what breeze there was, was coming right at me!  Of course ;)

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Hardwood slabs.  he wants to make a table out of it and it was some HEAVY stuff but it seemed to cut 'ok'.  Truth is I didn't bring any 4's with me as I thought it was all small pines I would be milling so after starting on a lone 7 i switched to my stock of 10's.  Only used 3 bands and milled over 2400bf

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Mixed bag here.  He wanted some slabs and then some 2x's and then slabs but the logs, well, as he put it "trees don't grow square do they?".  Nope!  And the first 'log' was a bit of a beast but I made it work.

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Most of the logs were 20 footers and while he cut some down smaller I milled most at the 18-20 length.  All 1"x8 or 10" stuff except some 2x10's I also milled up.  Most pictured here but some was already carted off to the area they were building in.

As always a good day :D  Just a long one!

Next up is a walnut that's 24 feet long.  Customer will buck to 8 foot lengths and thought it was a 'big' log until i kind of chuckled and said 24" diameter at the base?  No problem!  he seemed confused until I explain it aint a mill squisher until it's bigger than 36" lol 8)
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Post by: DPatton on May 09, 2018, 11:08:07 PM
Doing some really great work Eric. You have been thru a few changes and upgrades indeed. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by: Darrel on May 09, 2018, 11:16:18 PM
Lookin good Eric! 8)
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Post by: rjwoelk on May 09, 2018, 11:32:31 PM
Just a hi to you and your wife.
Rolled through about a hr or so ago. Got another load of genies heading to Toronto ON. like the last load.
Keep up the good work.
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Post by: Peter Drouin on May 10, 2018, 06:05:53 AM
smiley_beertoast coming along well.
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 10, 2018, 02:58:05 PM
Thanks guys :)

The walnut turned out to be an 18" log at 6 feet from the base and 129.5' long.  Still a nice log and mostly straight.  I'll be bucking it up for him (his saw is a little wee thing) and milling it up soon :)

Got a message from another local I milled a bunch for (the apple/locust/pine/poplar guy) and will be headed back there soon for a few more days :D

Then I'm on to Chelan for a 2 day weekend gig before heading back to Chelan again (Manson) for a 1 or 2 day gig :)

Not a bad start to the new milling year :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 31, 2018, 07:34:50 PM
Well folks, I gotta get busy!  Got two jobs in Chelan to do, one in Moses Lake, another in Rock Island and actually should be doing another in Moses Lake....so um ya.

I was trying to cut DOWN on the work LOL

Broke off a tap today trying to see if I could sneak out some threads on the loader zirk that came out...darn it!  But I got enough threads in to get the zirk in and put some grease in there.  Got the mill good and greased and with a little more cleaning it will be ready for Saturdays milling adventure in Manson (Chelan).
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 12, 2018, 06:55:20 PM
Finished up the first of two jobs in Chelan two weeks ago, then the arthritis shut me down.  Now I'm milling this weekend on the second job in hopes of completing it without too much trouble.

With luck I can complete this one, then a one log operation and finally another 20+ log job in East Wenatche (another repeat customer).

Once those three are done I'm shutting down the mill operation for a month or two (maybe longer) to see how the hand does.  With luck I won't have to dial it back anymore than that but the doc thinks I may need a new knuckle.  We shall see!
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Post by: Darrel on June 12, 2018, 09:14:16 PM
Best of luck to you Eric. I'd hate to see you have to hang it up. 
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 13, 2018, 09:24:26 AM
Quote from: Darrel on June 12, 2018, 09:14:16 PM
Best of luck to you Eric. I'd hate to see you have to hang it up.
Thanks.  The hope is that I won't have to hang it up in the end ;)  But I think I have to take stock in what I can expect to be able to do.  For the moment the thumb is mostly working again and the pain is very limited.  I see the doc again today and will go milling this weekend (provided I can actually get the hitch back on the truck, load the camper and mill and get to the site without having to put a brace on again ;)
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Post by: Rjwassink67 on June 13, 2018, 03:26:55 PM
Wish you the best Eric, like I have said before, loved reading and following your journey.  Hope your back at it after a rest and doing what you enjoy.  Take care of yourself
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 15, 2018, 09:23:31 AM
Thanks :)

Almost ready to get milling this weekend 8)  The wrist is a tad sore but not too much more than my hands are normally so overall I'd say a major improvement.  The Naproxen might be bothering my gut a bit so I have to work with that and all these injuries in the last year have not made it easy to keep the weight off!  Gotta get walking again!

Anyway, with luck I'll get the oil and filter changed out today, put in new plugs and air filter (about 450hrs on the mill so probably due) and a few other minor maintenance items, get the camper on the truck, and hook up the mill.  Hoping to roll out by 6pm for the 2 hour drive to the mill site. 

I like to get there the night before, camp out and set up in the AM so I can get a full day of milling in on day one.
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Post by: Magicman on June 15, 2018, 09:38:30 AM
I prefer reading where you are sawing rather than "disabled".  I hope that all goes well.  8)
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 16, 2018, 01:50:05 AM
Set up for the night :)
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Post by: caveman on June 16, 2018, 07:04:01 AM
Good luck and I hope your aches and pains are few and far between.  Looking forward to seeing some beautiful sawmill site pictures.
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Post by: Bruno of NH on June 16, 2018, 07:50:02 AM
Good luck
I know what your going through
I'm dragging my right leg around and makes for a long day.
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 16, 2018, 09:22:19 AM
 
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 16, 2018, 09:27:15 AM
 
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 good morning :)

So far so good.  The aleve seems to be working and I am excited to get back to it.

I spent a lot of time removing the darn spare tire from the truck long story short took a special tool but I got it. Then I mounted it to the front of the truck on a Curt front hitch receiver and spare tire carrier. This put the weight of the spare on the front of the truck and should have brought me under the maximum of my rear tires when hauling the camper and towing the mill I was about 80 lb over Tire capacity on my last trip I also cut down on a lot of the tools and supplies I normally bring to a mill site because I realized I just didn't use them or really didn't need to for example I would bring to chainsaws so I'm bringing one less fuel that kind of stuff had to really work to get the weight down because this new camper as awesome as it is is just so heavy. Anyway I will get some pictures of the job site and of course I'm hoping all goes well but I'll certainly let you know as time passes thanks all
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Post by: Darrel on June 16, 2018, 11:13:31 AM
Normally I don't use much more than a knife, fork and spoon at a meal site.  :D :D
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Post by: Crusarius on June 16, 2018, 02:47:40 PM
I usually bring an appetite :)
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Post by: Magicman on June 16, 2018, 04:52:03 PM
I especially like the first picture in Reply #1051.  8)
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Post by: NorcalMatt on June 16, 2018, 09:45:21 PM
Looks like an awesome place to mill!
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 16, 2018, 09:45:41 PM
Thanks MM:) 

Darn text to speech on phone....I will fix later.

Meanwhile I am done for the day after a rainstorm break and adjusting the drive belts still produced 3200bf :)

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Post by: OlJarhead on June 16, 2018, 09:49:08 PM
On a side note the four degree bands definitely work better when Milling wide cants.  I found that when making three two by sixes at a time that is full dimension two-by-sixes the 4 degree bands just kept going and going and stayed nice and flat. got to love that.  The tens not so much,  I would kick a 6-inch cant off if I were running tens but with the fours I can just keep on going. love those fours
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 16, 2018, 09:51:24 PM
One more note. My arthritis only bothered me a little this morning and my left thumb was a little sore. However as the day went on the hand felt fine and I was able to Just Keep On Truckin so life is good let's hope it stays that way
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Post by: Magicman on June 16, 2018, 09:58:12 PM
That has to be the perfect worksite.  The logs/lumber ain't bad either.  8)
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 16, 2018, 11:06:40 PM
Quote from: Magicman on June 16, 2018, 09:58:12 PM
That has to be the perfect worksite.  The logs/lumber ain't bad either.  8)
Yup :)  Life is good when you are milling in a place like this with an LT40HD and an Arctic Fox camper:) 8) 8) ;D
Wind picked up now so time to bring the awning in a little and tighten up the camper for the night.  Sure is nice though to have such a big camper!  Had a hot shower after milling all day, nuked dinner in the MW and listening to the radio while checking online stuff :)
Also pretty sweet to have the genny running throughout the day to power the compressor to blow off the mill and run the AC in the camper to keep it cool so I could 'chill' out after a hot day of milling :)
Ahhhh this is the life! :D 8) ;D
Now if the arthritis can pi$$ off and let me work!
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Post by: 47sawdust on June 17, 2018, 06:47:35 AM
I have bad arthritis in my right hand.Rest seems to be the only real solution,but I've also had good luck with a product called Elmore Oil.It is made in Australia.You apply it to the affected area.You probably have to get it where organic foods are sold.
 Good luck
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 17, 2018, 09:22:08 AM
 
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 good morning all. Looks like another great day to run the mill. With luck I will have these last three logs sawed up by 11 and be on the road by noon to enjoy the rest of the day with my wife at home it's been a great trip and I'll try to post a couple pics after the day is done.
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Post by: D6c on June 17, 2018, 01:12:16 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on June 16, 2018, 09:27:15 AM

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Wow...wonder what it would be like to saw straight, round logs like that.  Nothing like that it my part of the country.  Most all I get are crooked hardwood, ob-round logs usually with a couple large limb cut-offs, a fork, and maybe a knot hole.....almost no conifers here except for ERC, and they have 50 branches to trim off each tree.....but I'm not complaining.




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Post by: OlJarhead on June 17, 2018, 09:33:55 PM
Got those last logs milled up and headed home :)

Few bourbons and a BBQ later and it's time to call it a weekend almost :)  But I'll try to post more pics soon.
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 17, 2018, 09:56:36 PM
I should probably call this 'milling porn' for the afflicted :)

hard to make vids and mill one handed but I have it down I think ;)
Making 2x6's in Lake Chelan WA - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxGYVInkXvs&t=4s)

Enjoy
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 17, 2018, 10:07:14 PM
Milling 21.5"x6" cants to make 2x6's - YouTube (https://youtu.be/eIjpF1-hwsY)
and a the end of band-life but still cutting true :)  That's a 21.5" cut 6" deep (true) for milling true 2x6's
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Post by: Darrel on June 17, 2018, 11:55:11 PM
I can cut all day and come home and enjoy watching you cut but am disappointed that you didn't show turning those cants up on edge. This addiction must be worse than I'm willing to admit. 

Glad that your arthritis didn't shut you down. 
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Post by: Magicman on June 18, 2018, 08:13:34 AM
Erik, you can lower those side supports all of the way down and clamp the very bottom before sawing those cants.  They will not fall over.   ;) 
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 18, 2018, 08:53:52 AM
Quote from: Magicman on June 18, 2018, 08:13:34 AM
Erik, you can lower those side supports all of the way down and clamp the very bottom before sawing those cants.  They will not fall over.   ;)
LOL Oh I know.  I've just come to like starting with them higher and adjusting now and then as I go.  Maybe it was something the WM guy said when I picked up the mill but I just do it this way...maybe I'll try it with them down the whole time next trip. ;)
Meanwhile, here's another vid for y'all :)
Making 4x6's with the LT40HD - YouTube (https://youtu.be/t0VRHE5_V6c)

Hands are a little sore today but otherwise doing well :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 18, 2018, 08:58:13 AM
I did once have two can't split on me near the bottom.  I was milling the last 2x's (so splitting 3 3/8" for two 1 5/8") of a log and had the cants pintch up in the center.  Since I've always tried to have a little more bit on the cants as going.  Could just be that one time.
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 18, 2018, 09:10:29 AM
Milling 3 2x6's at a time with an LT40HD - YouTube (https://youtu.be/6wSuUw2K_mE)
Making triples :)

I found filming with one hand and running the mill with the other was a challenge actually but managed to make it work ;)

The 4 degree bands do well on these wide cuts but I will not do this with 10's!  They just don't like it.
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 18, 2018, 09:35:35 AM
 
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I was treated to some striking views this weekend :)


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Day two and ready to get started!

On a side note I'd replaced the oil filter and oil and the fuel filter before this trip.  I found the mill was a lot happier with the new fuel filter as the old one was cruddy.  Seems sawdust can get in there too!  It had been cutting out on me under load some times and so I did a full service (forgot to get the air filter on before leaving but will do not) and it ran a lot happier :)


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Didn't do the math on this one but it was a decent sized log :)


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4 degree bands and cranking out the 2x6's in style :)

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Not a mill squisher but getting up there.  This was the 2nd largest log and measured 28.5" at the small end and 32" at the big end.  It's brother was 32" at the small end :D

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Making 24" wide slabs 16 feet long.


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This whole log was milled into slabs.


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Getting into 'big' log territory now :)

Still have to do the math but the last two logs gave me over 60 2x6's (true) and some 1x's (780bf for the 2x's alone)
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Post by: CCCLLC on June 18, 2018, 01:23:16 PM
Very impressive to say the least.
I see you are in the sun, what was the daytime temps? Do you bump up the blade tension when sawing the triples? Haven't gotten to use any 4 degree blades yet. Glad you're feeling somewhat better.
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 18, 2018, 03:44:46 PM
What happened to the vids?  Yikes!  I'll look into that.

Temps were in the high 70's and low 80's during the heat of the day but overall pretty decent :)

Blade tension I keep at 3000psi at all times (if not slightly higher which it does as sap builds up on the belts and I turn it back to 3000 when I see it -- and I watch non stop).  The 4 degree bands don't crown on the big wide cuts like 10's do and I find I can set the speed and let'er go with the 4's but listen for band chatter because when they go dull their dull!  Change em out!

I don't get the life of others but wonder if that's a function of the 26.5hp vs 34hp motor???  After all, if throttle speed drops from a loose drive belt band life disappears as it heats up too fast.  Therefore, a bigger motor will drive the band at a faster pace (no bogging down I suspect) thereby letting it stay cooler longer I'm thinking.  Best I've seen so far is around 600bf per band.
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 18, 2018, 03:49:10 PM
OK vids are back!  Seems YouTube had a glitch
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Post by: Magicman on June 18, 2018, 04:35:28 PM
I see nothing wrong with your blade life.  A 4° blade is closer to perpendicular so it is doing a bit more ""scraping" compared with a 10° blade but I find that they will saw truer in hard/knotty logs.  This scraping may tend to dull the teeth a bit sooner but everything is a trade off.  
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 18, 2018, 07:34:48 PM
On a side note, since I'd passed 100,000 board feet I applied to WM 100,000 board foot club :) 8)  Don't think it does anything for me (discounts I think come at the million mark) but heck I thought it was cool :)

I'm now showing 116,445 board feet on the LT40  8) :o  Would be nice to turn 150k this year :)
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Post by: fishfighter on June 19, 2018, 02:25:29 PM
You were getting paid to saw those logs in that area? If so, shame on you. :D
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 19, 2018, 05:30:36 PM
   He should be getting a premium to work in a place like that because it is so difficult to keep sawing instead of stopping to go fishing.

    Then again, Eric is probably one of those Hollywood Marines trained at the boot camp at San Diego next to the airport watching the flights come and go all day instead of the hard corps Marines we trained out in isolation in the swamps of Parris Island and he is better adapted to deal with constant distractions. :D :D
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 19, 2018, 07:34:22 PM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on June 19, 2018, 05:30:36 PM
  He should be getting a premium to work in a place like that because it is so difficult to keep sawing instead of stopping to go fishing.

   Then again, Eric is probably one of those Hollywood Marines trained at the boot camp at San Diego next to the airport watching the flights come and go all day instead of the hard corps Marines we trained out in isolation in the swamps of Parris Island and he is better adapted to deal with constant distractions. :D :D
Ahhh yup!  They issued us Sunglasses and  Beach Towels and we laughed at the swamp rats being eaten by chiggers and sand flees!.....(removed Marine Speak -- sorry admin!)
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 19, 2018, 08:32:12 PM
Eric,

    Your chiggers comment reminded me of a Sgt who was a DI on our team who had gotten chiggers in the pine straw out at Page Field, the old airport area where we did field training there at PI. He had so many bites and such a bad reaction I am sure when he dies/died it will be/was with the pock marks still all over his body.

   Also reminds me of the time I popped a parachute flare too low during night training and we (I?) nearly burned the whole training area down.

   Hang in there. Enjoy the good life. I bet the next site won't be as nice.
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 30, 2018, 03:17:00 PM
 well darn I fueled up the mill about three quarters maybe just slightly more but certainly not all the way, the can filled upfilled and the truck and headed up to my mill site. I'm up about 4000 feet and was at about a thousand feet when I filled up now the mill won't start.   this happened a couple times to me before and wood miser told me it was a fuel lock.  Unfortunately I'm not sure what to do, maybe if I leave it for a few hours it'll clear itself up and start but I don't know. No spark plug wrench to try to pull plug don't have any pressure in the fuel system with it off so I have no ideas.   It just won't turn.
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 30, 2018, 04:56:43 PM
Got it running....whew!
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Post by: Crusarius on July 01, 2018, 02:12:15 PM
I usually use compressed air or since I have a portable co2 tank. Just put a little pressure in the fuel tank. it should help.
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Post by: redbeard on July 02, 2018, 10:14:02 PM
Fuel pump could be culprit the diaphragm could have a hole in it.
That's what happened to me.
Mill would run intermittent.
Fuel filter could be clogging up also.
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Post by: KirkD on July 03, 2018, 03:41:36 PM
Could be altitude change to. Can you shut the fuel off and see if that make a difference? I know a plastic water bottle half full will expand and contract going over the Cascade passes here.

Want to see something interesting see what it does to a bag of potato chips with a 4 or 5000' elevation change.
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 04, 2018, 09:07:30 AM
Oh it is the altitude change and WM knows about it.  I just filled it up more than 3/4 and shouldn't have I guess.  It wasn't full, but it was too much still.

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Made it up to over 4000 feet without issue other than the rough road in made for a slow last 4 miles or so.

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After leveling off the truck I was starting to think I'd not mill at all!  The customer suddenly had to drive his helpers back to town and i was left to set up the mill knowing I wouoldn't have much help to mill for the rest of the day and it was before noon!  Not a good feeling have driven so far and into a tough spot to get to.


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Only thing to do was set up and hope for the best ;)

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Took this shot of the generator run time.  This is a new camper but I've used the genny a lot on milling jobs and love it!


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Once set up I rolled up the big pine that was near the mill and knowing he wanted 5/4 stuff from it I began building a CANT but realized I didn't have a width from him so decided to wait until he arrived.  When he did he advised to make everything as wide as I could :)


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Gratuitous shot of the mill from the camper step ;)

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Once we finished up we headed down the mountain to the customers home to check out some of his projects with the lumber I'd made for him the year before.  He did all the work himself though he has Parkinson's disease and often has to take breaks, is hard to understand and sometimes can't use his hands or legs etc etc....so ya, amazing!

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I love the doors and wainscotting frankly and his shop is amazing.  He was a contractor/developer so clearly had the nice tools!  Grizzly shapers, jointers, planers and massive saw tables and more!  Nice shop, the kind I dream of LOL

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I'm taking a little time off now to let my hands rest a bit but here's a shot of the setup :)  The tire up front is to take some weight off the rear since I'm so heavy with the mill but it does block the radiator a bit.  Doesn't seem to matter though and I'll know for sure when we head south for a week vacation soon.
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Post by: caveman on July 04, 2018, 07:34:44 PM
Erik, thank you for sharing your experience.  Wood-Mizer ought to be using your mill and sawing sites for a sawmill brochure or postcards.  As the owner and photographer I would think there would be some perks.
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Post by: FloridaMike on July 05, 2018, 04:33:39 PM
Great work and on-scene reporting! 

If the spare up front causes any cooling problems, maybe mounting it (quick disconnect) near the rear of the mill.  Would get it out of the truck's cooling air and also reduce some tongue weight (if the mill axle has the capacity).

Mike
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Post by: fishfighter on July 05, 2018, 07:14:14 PM
Air bags are your friend with a truck camper. Very easy to install and you can find them for under $300.
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 11, 2018, 11:20:57 AM
Got the air bags and upper and lower stable loads ;)  But I was sitting at 8240lbs at last weight in with the mill and the tires are rated at 4080lbs ea (so 8160 on the rears).  Just trying to get under the tire weight rating on the rear axle.

Drove the truck and camper 1200 miles in the last week :)  No issues at all!
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Post by: bags on July 11, 2018, 08:38:41 PM
I move my mill (HM130) between 5100' and 9300' without a problem. If your orange critter has a tuff time start'in up high--- ya might try shut'in the fuel valve off while your still down low, and run'in it out of gas/diesel to relive altitude pressures.
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 19, 2018, 08:29:41 PM
Trick is to just keep it below 3/4 when going up like that ;)
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Post by: FloridaMike on July 19, 2018, 09:26:48 PM
Quote from: bags on July 11, 2018, 08:38:41 PM
... ya might try shut'in the fuel valve off while your still down low, and run'in it out of gas/diesel to relive altitude pressures.
I don't think I have ever seen advice given to intentionally run a diesel out of fuel.  I have always tried to avoid the whole priming/air bleeding process whenever possible, of course I live at 55' above sea level.
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 08, 2018, 07:24:21 PM
After taking the last two months (or so) off from milling I'm heading out tomorrow for a one day gig at a repeat customer.  Should be good but I'll admit the arthritis has been a challenge this summer and my old myalgias from the gulf have been haunting me too.  Still, I'll head out to mill and do a short 2 hour job on Monday too :)

Meanwhile, saw what looked like an LT40 Super HD in town today!  It's at a local tree trimmers so I guess after I stopped in a year or so ago they decided to heck with me and bought their own! :o 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on September 08, 2018, 08:45:22 PM
It's good to see you back sawing. 

I passed a trailer load of painted end logs going to someone's sawmill this morning so no one can have it all.
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Post by: Peter Drouin on September 08, 2018, 09:38:48 PM
Always good to get out,  move_it 
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on September 08, 2018, 09:42:53 PM
   Welcome back. Finish early and get home safe.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Crossroads on September 08, 2018, 10:30:37 PM
I like your set up, I typically just sleep in my truck on overnight jobs lol
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 08, 2018, 11:51:18 PM
Quote from: Crossroads on September 08, 2018, 10:30:37 PM
I like your set up, I typically just sleep in my truck on overnight jobs lol
I'm only 5 years older than you and no way do I want to sleep on the ground or in the bed of the truck anymore! LOL
Love the camper but tomorrow's job is without it.  Long offroad haul to get in (though I'd done it twice with a camper in the past) and just one day.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 08, 2018, 11:53:09 PM
Does feel good to get the mill ready to move again but I did use it to trim off some floor boards for the cabin recently :D  Funny, it makes a racket for my neighborhood! hahaha....at the cabin no one would know but at our home not far off the gold course it raises eye brows :)  ;D 8)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 11, 2018, 08:42:15 AM
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You might recall a Walnut log I went to measure earlier in the summer.  Later I bucked it up for the guy as he didn't have a big enough saw and finally, after taking the summer off I returned to get it milled up for him.

Truth is, Walnut is NOT my favorite wood to mill LOL but I'll do it.
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On this trip my wife came along and took some pics.  I figured 90 minutes of milling and took 2 hours but she survived ;)
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The logs were ok with some crotch in them but he didn't care to have the crotch milled so much as useable wood and stuff he could make cutting boards and things out of.  So I milled the logs down giving him the most options I could think of.
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And since he works in health care he understood that he had to do the heavy lifting more than most but I still couldn't help by grab the cant hook once or twice.

This weekend on a job I pinched my left hand between the hook and haft, heck I'm not even sure how exactly but I did and half my hand is bruised pretty severely.  Here I am trying NOT to add to my injuries and yet, maybe this old jarhead just can't help it.
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In truth, I showed him how to use the cant hook and that was it.  He did the labor!
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Had to mask up and use the shield as the wind was blowing massive amounts of walnut dust right at me for a while.  Sucked and made me think of charging $100/hr for walnut!

 
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He ended up with a nice bunch of lumber out of that one log including a mantel piece and 3 2" x 12" pieces he hopes to turn into a counter.  Lovely stuff even if I have to rinse out my sinuses now! lol

I did a fair bit of softwood on Sunday too but haven't gone through the few pics I took yet (will soon) or done the math on production either.  Also left my large CANT hook at the last job :(  Luckily it was a wood one and not a 5 foot Logrite!  I'm sure I'll get it back but it's two hours away so we'll see,

In other news the VA has agreed my hands, knees, shoulder etc are all service connected so at least I don't have to worry about the cost of surgery when it comes time which was something that concerned me as the arthritis has really kicked in this summer and I'm told I'll need surgery on my left thumb sooner than later and my right before long too.  Makes it tough to do this kind of work but I enjoy it and am trying to learn from Lynn and others who run their mills and don't hurt themselves (crossing fingers).

Cheers
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on September 11, 2018, 09:07:27 AM
Looking good Erik.  :)

Quote from: OlJarhead on September 11, 2018, 08:42:15 AMand am trying to learn from Lynn and others who run their mills and don't hurt themselves
I have pictures to the contrary.   laugh_at  smiley_smash whiteflag_smiley 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Crusarius on September 11, 2018, 09:10:28 AM
I just keep aspiring to be like all of you guys one day. I don't even think I would mind milling in the rain. I do find myself wanting hydraulics already...
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on September 11, 2018, 09:54:15 AM
Erik,

   Is that a solid or a screen mask? I use a screen mask for weedeating and like it better than safety glasses. I'd think a solid mask would fog up too bad..

    Pretty wood you got there.
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 11, 2018, 12:29:39 PM
Solid face shield.  I only use it when the wind is blowing the dust right at me and I'm eating it like mad.  I hate walnut dust!  But ya, I wear the face shield when I need to and safety glasses always.
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Post by: Weekend_Sawyer on September 11, 2018, 12:36:15 PM
What is it about walnut dust? I have sawed some and find it no more offensive than the oaks I usually mill.
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Post by: Magicman on September 11, 2018, 01:58:29 PM
I never make a pass unless I am wearing...

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one of these.  Probably because I spent too many hours in a previous life breathing sanding dust.  These days a little dust is too much dust.   :-X
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 11, 2018, 03:32:55 PM
I must admit I hate facemasks and don't use them often but when milling walnut that fine dust is just too much and I live in a place the wind blows pretty much constantly (and for some reason always in my face! :snowball: )
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Post by: goose63 on September 11, 2018, 04:50:32 PM
Hay Erick I thought you were in Washington not here in North Dakota  :D
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Post by: Peter Drouin on September 11, 2018, 09:39:14 PM
Good job,  8) 8)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Lawg Dawg on September 11, 2018, 10:54:39 PM
I have a dust collector attached to my mill and 2 fans on my back when milling everything... but find white oak and cedar most offensive...very fine dust that goes everywhere
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 12, 2018, 12:08:22 AM
Quote from: Lawg Dawg on September 11, 2018, 10:54:39 PM
I have a dust collector attached to my mill and 2 fans on my back when milling everything... but find white oak and cedar most offensive...very fine dust that goes everywhere
Hard to do remote ;) and Walnut is superfine dust!  Maybe it's the tight grain???  Either way, I like pine and fir :) and Locust is ok, so too is Oak, Apple and just about all other wood I've milled....walnut?  Yuk! LOL but I'm happy to do it ;)
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Post by: 78NHTFY on September 20, 2018, 09:35:31 PM
OlJarhead--hey, who's that Joe sitting in on your camper steps? :D :D :D.  A toast to you!!!!  All the best, Rob.
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Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Crossroads on September 22, 2018, 07:51:51 AM
How far from I90 are you Erik? I should be passing by next week and would like to stop by and say howdy while I stretch my legs for a few min. 
Title: Re: Here we go! First job!
Post by: Tramp Bushler on September 22, 2018, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: Bandmill Bandit on April 14, 2016, 08:12:15 PM
My job timer starts when I park my butt in the truck seat to head to job site and stops when I shut the mill off at the end of the day.

Maintenance happens AFTER The mill is shut off at end of day. De duct 1 hour for lunch and coffee breaks.

Keeps it real simple.



I know I'm way late to the party. But this is how I look at it.
This topic is of interest to me because I just put money down on a used Mighty Mite band sawmill.
My primary objective is to mill the lumber I need to build my home. But afterwards, if there is intrest, in milling for people.
My big question is what does everyone expect for a daily $ total.
The mill I'm buying is VERY affordable. Its a Gen 2 , which is a smaller mill. 17 horse Kohler .  Hydraulic raise and lower and travel.
Manual log loading and turning and dogging.
I know what I figure for When I do arborist contract work . And timber falling . But, I've only ever run a sawmill as an hourly employee.
Does owning and operating a small mill have any kind of standard hourly rate ? Asuming a guy is steadily producing accurate , square lumber ?
This may not be the right thread for these questions. If not please feel free to move this post to an appropriate thread . And my apologize to the OP.
I am very impressed with your production Jarhead. Very good thread .
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Post by: Magicman on September 23, 2018, 08:05:46 AM
My hourly rate very closely reflects my bf rate.  Sometimes over sometimes under, but always very close.
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Post by: Bandmill Bandit on September 23, 2018, 12:49:06 PM
Like MM, My hourly rate is a product of my average monthly gross BF production divided by the sawmill hours for that month, X .30 cents, rounded to the nearest $10 bucks. I am at a $100 an hour right now and I DO NOT saw by the BF for any one. I don't even quote a BF rate for any reason to any one.
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Post by: Tramp Bushler on September 23, 2018, 01:44:16 PM
OK, thank y'all.
So, there is money to be made with a sawmill. That's very good to know.
I'm sure I will have many many learning curves.
Milling my own lumber will be a very good start to my training. For my own lumber I will be doing my own logging.
Where we are moving to that may not be the case tho.
For the price I'm getting this mill at. It will fully pay for itself by sawing the house lumber. ( I need a couple hundred 2x12s. )
Thanks again. This is a Great thread.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 27, 2018, 09:11:54 AM
Quote from: Crossroads on September 22, 2018, 07:51:51 AM
How far from I90 are you Erik? I should be passing by next week and would like to stop by and say howdy while I stretch my legs for a few min.
Less than a mile.  When are you coming through?
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 27, 2018, 09:17:28 AM
I charge by the hour and think it's a function of the location as much as anything.  I have a set rate (though some times I debate that with myself) and it works for me.  Big logs, little logs, poor help, great help, the rate is the same:  $85/hr

I also charge for setup and delivery. 

This works well as it doesn't matter what my customers have or how good they are at helping me.  The rate is the same.  However, I work HARD to produce the best lumber I can at the best production rate I can so their price per board foot is a good price under the conditions I'm working.  I often look at the BF price for them and for my own knowledge but in the end I charge by the hour and have more than once said "you're paying me by the hour" when asked to do something other than run my mill.

I'm comfortable with that rate and haven't had any issue charging it.  I think of it this way:  if you go to the shop to have your car worked on, there is a rate and that's what you will pay regardless of how simple or complex the problem.
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Post by: Crossroads on September 27, 2018, 07:16:31 PM
I also charge by the hour, I was about to up my hourly rate in Oregon, but now that I've moved, I'm keeping it at $75/hr for a while. Obviously it depends on what I'm cutting, but the times I've ran the numbers while cutting 2x6's with good logs. It comes out to about 40% cheaper for the customer. Cutting 1x4's things slow down a bit though, so it all averages out. 
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Post by: biggkidd on October 01, 2018, 07:20:03 PM
Great thread Jarhead.  Just read from day one over the last few days. Hope your ailments heal up speedy and completely. Having MS I know how working with pain is.  Hoping to pick up a new LT15 or 15 wide in the next week or two and give it a whirl. Reading about your adventures has been great. So thanks!
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 02, 2018, 09:05:21 AM
Glad you enjoyed it :)

Sadly, the hands are not improving and have actually worsened a little.  Bottom line is that I cannot overuse my left or I'm down for a day or two waiting for the anti-inflammatory's to work.  The neck/shoulder is doing much better though and as long as I don't try to roll big logs or carry beams it seems to be fine :)

The VA has come through (so far albeit very slowly) and granted me service connection for my ailments (mostly due to my years in the corps or my service in the desert) and soon will cover (I think) the medical expenses so, once that occurs I think I will get surgery to correct the left hand as I'm told they can stop the pain and make it mostly usable again, just weaker.

I'll continue to run the mill, just not as much as I'd like :( or had planned.
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Post by: slider on October 02, 2018, 05:44:25 PM
good luck on your surgery. I have followed your thread for quite a while now and you just keep plugging along ,pain and all . 
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 02, 2018, 09:05:03 PM
Quote from: slider on October 02, 2018, 05:44:25 PM
good luck on your surgery. I have followed your thread for quite a while now and you just keep plugging along ,pain and all .
Thanks -- no surgery scheduled yet but I know it will happen sooner rather than later.
I might keep plugging along but I've slowed down a ton this year ;)  Only milled about 50% of what I did the last two years.
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Post by: Outlaw on October 02, 2018, 09:50:03 PM
Hope all goes well with the doctoring. The wife and I have been dealing with the VA for her father. Definitely not a easy process.  Just when you think you have been transferred to the right person you get another.  I'm not impressed with the way they look after our veterans. God speed and thank you for your service!!!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Crossroads on October 02, 2018, 11:17:20 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on September 27, 2018, 09:11:54 AM
Quote from: Crossroads on September 22, 2018, 07:51:51 AM
How far from I90 are you Erik? I should be passing by next week and would like to stop by and say howdy while I stretch my legs for a few min.
Less than a mile.  When are you coming through?
Soon I hope, my truck is in the shop getting the tranny rebuilt. Today was the third time it was supposed to be ready.....I have 2 jobs waiting for me as soon as I can get back to the coast, It sounds like I've lost the 3rd job because the trucks been in the shop going on 4 weeks. 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 03, 2018, 01:29:32 PM
Quote from: Outlaw on October 02, 2018, 09:50:03 PM
Hope all goes well with the doctoring. The wife and I have been dealing with the VA for her father. Definitely not a easy process.  Just when you think you have been transferred to the right person you get another.  I'm not impressed with the way they look after our veterans. God speed and thank you for your service!!!
Thank you :)
Ahhh yes, the VA.  Truth is it has gotten better, much better.  My last experience with them was 15 years ago and I swore I'd NEVER go back.  I'd cancelled a claim in '96 but sometimes used them between 2000 and 2003 as they provided me care at no charge (I think because I was on the Gulf War Registry but am not entirely certain).  However, every time I went was an ordeal.  In fact, so much so I'd rather go back to the desert and be shot at than go to the VA.  However, pain has a way of changing your mind and I returned this year to file my claim (since I canceled it before they did anything with it in '96 which was more than 18 months after I'd filed it) with the help of a Vietnam vet who used to work for the VA and is a veterans advocate now.  He was a big help in getting it filed.  Next, I received an appointment about 5 months later and then another a few months after that and a 3rd coming this month.  My first two were TOTALLY and completely different than anything I experienced in the past.  I was impressed to say the least.
Today I'm still working on the claim however, as it isn't a simple process and they have a tendency to ignore what's right in front of them.  For example, if you say "I have pain in my knuckles" and they find that you did have injuries during service that might be the reason for that pain (Arthritis etc) they might grant a service connection.  However, they may just say "thumb" vs "hand" or "knuckles" and this matters when it comes to determining the level of disability they will assign.  One thumb might not be as important to a person as say, the entire hand.  If this happens you have to appeal and insist they consider the entire hand.
Another thing that can happen is the doctor who performs the exam might find XYZ problem that is service connected but you didn't think about it or didn't think it was connected so didn't claim it.  He can write in the report that XYZ is service connected but the VA won't add it to the claim for you.  You would have to do that assuming you even know.  In my case my advocate had me go get my records from the exams and there, right on the exam was a conditioni related to my service that the doctor specifically said was related (due to evidence in medical records) but I now have to actually go in and ask them to add it -- not an easy thing to do.
The entire process can take years.
Lastly, when working on my claim online there was a glitch int he system and I couldn't edit it.  When I called them they advised that some veterans were not paid this payday (the 1st).  Seriously?  So guys counted on that pay didn't get it this payday?  Nice.
Sorry for the off topic rant!
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Post by: ronwood on October 03, 2018, 03:06:48 PM
Oljarhead,

My Dad was a Korea veteran and used the VA for the last 20 years of his life. My experience in helping my Dad was that he had good and prompt health care from the VA hospital.  You always had to deal with the red tape unfortunately.  I did not experience many of the issue in the news with the VA that was occurring at other hospitals. I think a lot has to do with the folks that manage/run each of the VA hospital.

Best of luck.

Ron
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Post by: OlJarhead on November 25, 2018, 05:52:54 PM
Howdy all,

Haven't been milling for some time now (months it seems) in part due to my arthritis and GWI but also in part because I decided to take a break and do some other things (while I could enjoy them LOL)....all is reasonably well though and I have used the mill a few times as an oversized table saw :D 

What was I using it to rip down?  Well funny you should ask:
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Flooring of course :)
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I'd been planning this for some time and finally broke out the tools and after hauling a bunch of 1" pine and fir home I made the flooring for the cabin.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20181013_170251_281024x76829.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1543186126)
It's all T&G which I though would be best and once the weather warms I'll give it a light sanding and cleaning and then will be treating it with Tung Oil.

Having completed the flooing (1st half done above, 2nd half coming) I ordered some 1" split conduit for the mill and after cleaning it and oiling it up I applied the duct to protect the rail.  I plan to get some 3/4" for the chain and a motorcycle cover for the head.  I think that might be better than a tarp which inevitably blows in the wind etc etc.

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Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving and is doing well.
Cheers
Erik
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: caveman on November 25, 2018, 08:54:13 PM
Thank you for the update Erik.  I have been concerned about you and enjoy following your thread.  Pop often says that growing old is not for wimps.  I am beginning to understand that. 
Caveman
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on November 25, 2018, 08:57:21 PM
It's good to hear from you Erik and thanks for the update.  Now throw another log in that wood heater and stay warm.  fire_smiley
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Post by: Crossroads on November 25, 2018, 10:30:42 PM
Glad to see your okay and having some self time. Thank you for the referral, that was some pretty black walnut....
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Post by: Darrel on November 25, 2018, 10:33:39 PM
Good to hear from you sir, and I really like that floor!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 26, 2018, 08:33:46 AM
Quote from: Crossroads on November 25, 2018, 10:30:42 PM
Glad to see your okay and having some self time. Thank you for the referral, that was some pretty black walnut....
Glad that worked out! :D  Pics?
Thanks all, it's been good actually.  Sure, the med aspect is a little crappy (lol) but overall life is good and we're headed to the cabin this weekend to finish the floor and enjoy the place  :)  Then I plan to go camping at least once this winter in our Arctic Fox camper :)
I hope to be back to milling, if not quite as much, this coming spring if all goes well.
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Post by: Weekend_Sawyer on November 26, 2018, 01:02:25 PM
Glad to hear from you.
I have followed this thread from the beginning and learned a lot from it.

I can't quite see from the pictures.
What are the black dots on the floor? Plugs covering screws or are they nail heads?

Thanks
Jon
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 26, 2018, 01:25:01 PM
Erik,

  Great to hear from you again. Glad you are doing okay. I hope you enjoy your camping trip. I'd have figured you'd have gotten that out of your system long before you left the Corps. :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 27, 2018, 09:00:38 AM
Quote from: Weekend_Sawyer on November 26, 2018, 01:02:25 PM
Glad to hear from you.
I have followed this thread from the beginning and learned a lot from it.

I can't quite see from the pictures.
What are the black dots on the floor? Plugs covering screws or are they nail heads?

Thanks
Jon

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In truth, I did not snap down lines and nailed these in by hand and eye and my eye is not as straight as it used to be ;) (if it ever was).
These are forged nails and I wanted it to look like something someone might have done 150 years ago :)  In fact, the nails are made in the factory they were made in back in the 1800's and are pretty cool.  They are supposed to hold well but the floor is T&G so that should help anyway.
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Post by: Weekend_Sawyer on November 28, 2018, 07:45:15 AM

 I was just talking to a friend of mine who installs floors last week.
I told him that this was the method I want to use in my cabin build.

nice
Jon
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Post by: OlJarhead on November 28, 2018, 08:38:46 AM
We love the look and if my hands can take it I'll get the next section done this weekend :)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Crossroads on November 28, 2018, 10:56:05 PM
Can you snap a picture of one of the forged nails?
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Post by: OlJarhead on November 29, 2018, 10:01:28 AM
Tremont Nail Company 800-842-0560 - Steel Cut Nails for Authentic Restoration Projects and Remodeling (http://store.tremontnail.com/cgi-bin/tremontnail/items?mv_arg=16)
I will try to get a pic of them but these are the nails I bought (hope it was ok to post)
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Post by: Crossroads on November 29, 2018, 10:03:10 PM
Interesting, I had no idea you could buy new nails that look old
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Weekend_Sawyer on November 30, 2018, 07:12:53 AM
That's who I plan to purchase my nails from.
I am looking at their common standard nail.

Here's Bob Vila taking a factory tour.

Factory Tour: Tremont Nail - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kQsyf6rj60)
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Post by: Jwswan on November 30, 2018, 07:56:55 AM
Hello all.  I'm new here, but I've been reading and following this forum for years now.  I recommended to and helped a buddy put in pine flooring in a couple of his second floor bedrooms in his old farmhouse up here on Lake Superior over a decade ago now. We rabbeted the edges, rabbeted end match the ends, and face nailed it.  10 years in, three kids, and lots of RH% changes, and they're holding up great. A little more work than using pneumatics, but beyond looks, the cost/benefit seems worth it from a functional standpoint. anyway, my two cents.  
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Post by: Weekend_Sawyer on November 30, 2018, 08:35:12 AM
Welcome to the forum Jwswan,

What made you choose rabbit over tongue and groove?
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Post by: Jwswan on November 30, 2018, 11:34:49 AM
Weekend Sawyer;

Simplicity, really.  I lent my buddy my dado set for his old table saw and we rigged up a quick and dirty router jig for him to do the ends as he cut. It didn't seem worth the hassle factor to set up my tongue and groove bits, especially with our poor man's end match.  I've seen old solid wood sub floor installed in the same way so I just copied it, but for the finished floor.  So far, so good.  It seems like lots of old houses around here used a soft or second wood for the upstairs bedrooms.  His first floor was all maple.  The pine takes less of a beating. 
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Post by: Weekend_Sawyer on November 30, 2018, 12:28:19 PM

Nice, thanks for the reply.
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 04, 2018, 09:03:35 PM
 
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Finished!

For those interested I made all of the flooring T&G with a router and used a biscuit joiner at the ends (except that last 3 rows because I forgot it at home).

We love the floor and can't wait to put the finish on it (when it gets warmer).

Pic of the nails coming soon.
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Post by: Crossroads on December 04, 2018, 11:45:32 PM
That's beautiful! Did you build this from the ground up? Also, is it your main residence or a getaway cabin? Either way, nice work...,,
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Post by: 47sawdust on December 05, 2018, 06:13:21 AM
Very nice floor,great job.Here in the N.E. it is common practice to leave a 1/4 to 3/8 between the flooring and the wall to allow for seasonal movement.This gap is then hidden by the baseboard.
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 05, 2018, 08:25:45 AM
Quote from: Crossroads on December 04, 2018, 11:45:32 PM
That's beautiful! Did you build this from the ground up? Also, is it your main residence or a getaway cabin? Either way, nice work...,,
Ground up :)  There is a thread on here somewhere that has more about that as this was just my milling thread -- and it's just our getaway place :)
Thanks
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 05, 2018, 08:27:01 AM
Quote from: 47sawdust on December 05, 2018, 06:13:21 AM
Very nice floor,great job.Here in the N.E. it is common practice to leave a 1/4 to 3/8 between the flooring and the wall to allow for seasonal movement.This gap is then hidden by the baseboard.
Pretty much what I did albeit not as well as I should (at times I let it slip).  I will be cutting out some of the gap for the transitions still and at the walls there is a slight gap.
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 06, 2018, 12:10:50 AM
 
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Took this with my phone for you all.

One thing with these I found was that the Fir seemed to split more than the pine which almost never split.  Sometimes the nails start to rotate when driving them in and this causes the Fir to split so I started drilling pilot holes for the pine.
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Post by: Crossroads on December 06, 2018, 01:10:27 AM
I'm not sure if it would work with these, but with standard nails, if you turn the nail upside down and hit them a couple times to dull the tip, they are less likely to split/crack the board. 
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Post by: cbla on December 06, 2018, 05:52:20 AM
looks awesome!
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Post by: Weekend_Sawyer on December 06, 2018, 07:52:03 AM
Quote from: Crossroads on December 06, 2018, 01:10:27 AM
I'm not sure if it would work with these, but with standard nails, if you turn the nail upside down and hit them a couple times to dull the tip, they are less likely to split/crack the board.
That is a good tip that I use often.
These are blunted from the factory.
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 06, 2018, 02:35:33 PM
Ya these are dull and work great other than the odd splitting on the Fir  I think Pine is so soft it just absorbs the twist but the Fir didn't like it.
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 14, 2019, 04:58:20 PM
Howdy All :)

It's been a while!  I've not been milling and recently had trouble holding a coffee cup (that is a major issue) ;D :D but went in and got a shot in the arm (Kenalog and Lidocaine I believe -- kinda the same thing as Cortisone but for tendons) and am told I will be able to use the arm for a couple months now ;)

So, I'm heading to Portland/Hillsoro to try to mill up some English Walnut (you probably saw my other posts) and am hopeful I will be able to roll the biggest logs to the front of the house where the mill will be without too much pain (good luck right?).  I intend to bring my chainsaws but I hate to cut out any crotch that I don't have to so I can mill it up and see what I can get out of it.

I have a fellow an hour or so away with a KILN that has agreed to let me get some of it dried up after I air dry a while and I'm hoping to actually have some wood to play with this fall/winter season.

Other than that I also hope to mill up a bunch of D logs for our cabin this spring so I can start on an addition.  However, admittedly, I haven't been falling trees or milling anything for a while other than a couple weeks ago when I fell two small pines and one that was 20" at chest height which resulted in much pain and left handed coffee drinking.

I've actually been working on my VA comp stuff over the last 18 months or so and I guess you could say it's gone well (LOL) but I'm not likely to mill as much as I want moving forward (two bad disc's in my neck, permanently separated SC joint in shoulder all related to an injury in the corps 30 years ago to start off anyway and which has finally come home to roost I guess).  But we will see!  The shot in the arm might have me back in action and I hope so!

But I'm being realistic and might be doing more camping and fishing than milling this year with hopes of making more sawdust in the future -- but I will at least mill this walnut up this weekend!

Wish me luck! (and see the other threads in case you live in the area and are a glutton for punishment -- i.e. are willing to help move logs or something and meet up too of course!)

Cheers
Erik
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Post by: CCCLLC on May 14, 2019, 06:34:48 PM
Good to hear from you, missed your posts.Take care of yourself.
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 14, 2019, 07:20:32 PM
Thanks and will do!  Trying to get healed up enough to at least get some personal milling done and have a potential customer for later in the spring or early summer (but you know how those are).

Who knows?  Might get some milling done yet ;)
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Post by: Crusarius on May 14, 2019, 08:47:24 PM
If you were closer I would be all about coming to help. Just the knowledge I could learn would be worth the trip. plus I do love that area.
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Post by: caveman on May 14, 2019, 09:03:39 PM
Erik, it is good to hear from you.  I hope that you will get some much needed relief from your maladies.  Find a strong young fellow to do the heavy lifting.  Fishing and camping aren't too bad to have as contingency plans to keep yourself active.
Kyle
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 19, 2019, 03:44:55 PM
 
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heading home with a truck full of English Walnut and a sore back but all smiles :)(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20190519_124129.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1558295026)
 
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Post by: terrifictimbersllc on May 19, 2019, 06:22:01 PM
Is that gas can supposed to ride back there? Maybe to deter tailgaters?
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Post by: cbla on May 20, 2019, 11:11:13 AM
those slabs couldn't have been light! nice work.
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Post by: Crossroads on May 20, 2019, 12:38:36 PM
I'm glad it all worked out, Those are some good looking slabs.....
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Post by: Darrel on May 20, 2019, 01:23:09 PM
A pickup load of slabs with a sawmill in tow and parked in a parking lot. Looks like good advertising to me. 
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 20, 2019, 10:28:35 PM
 
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Some of the slabs from this weekend :)  Ended up with 33 slabs in total and some of them are 24" across and 78" long (2.25" thick)....my back is sore LOL but all of the wood was brought in (it was already starting to stain in the truck bed after just 48hrs!)

There are air gaps around them now but in the garage the air doesn't move much so I'll have to get a fan and maybe a dehumidifier in there until I can get them stacked and stickered (sooner the better I am thinking).

Still debating if I will do here on the north side of the house (less direct sun that way -- we're pretty deserty here) where there is good air movement most of the time, or take them to the cabin and leave them up there (like all the other wood I have).

Truth is, I'd like to get some of the big slabs dried in a kiln and am looking at that now but the guy prefer's air dried first and seems like he takes a LONG time to kiln dry walnut (like months) so maybe building my own mini kiln would be best.

I am wondering how these will do in the garage like this?  I've never done it this way before but I wanted to get them somewhere they weren't stacked on top of one another modling away!

Also, I was wondering if a typical garden fungicide would work on the mold that started already?
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 21, 2019, 12:20:59 PM
One thing I was thinking was that I should cut those ends flat and perpendicular to the centers.  They would stand better for one, end seal well and later be better to work with I think
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Post by: WDH on May 21, 2019, 08:39:12 PM
That is what I do.  Well worth the time.
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 21, 2019, 08:44:16 PM
You mean cutting them and then adding the arbor seal?  or using fungicide?  Or both?
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Post by: WDH on May 21, 2019, 08:49:23 PM
Cutting the ends square.  I anchorseal before sawing. 
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Post by: doc henderson on May 21, 2019, 08:52:19 PM
I think the mold will be ok after the surface is dry.  looks nice.  You could build a temporary solar kiln to get them started, figure how much space you need in terms of length, ht, and width.  stacking and stickering will help keep it flat but that thick will prob. do what ever it wants.
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 24, 2019, 12:02:26 AM
Thanks for the ideas.  We are running up to the property this weekend and I can pick up stickers there so we can do a full stack and sticker when we return.  For now I've been trimming ends and applying arborseal.  Incidentally, I also apply to my logs first (saves so much work really) but my sister didn't have any and my new batch arrived after we left to mill up the logs so I was left with trimming ends and sealing at home...tough go on 2 1/4" walnut slabs that are 18-23" across and 60 to 75" tall!  Those are heavy suckers!

Meanwhile, with them all standing upright (since I can't sticker them yet) I placed a fan in the garage and a dehumidifier.  That thing drew half a tank of water into itself in about 4hrs!  WOW!

I am hoping the air movement in the garage with the big fan and the DH will help the slabs dry while we wait to sticker, then I can sticker them in the garage for now and place the big box fan facing the stack to drive air through it and the DH in the room to get rid of the moisture.  It aint a kiln, nor it is a nice stack outside with wind to drive the water out but here where we live it's the best I can do for now so I'm hoping it works out while I make plans to either build a kiln or pay someone to dry the stuff.
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 24, 2019, 08:06:15 AM
Wow!  In the first 4hrs the DH removed about a half gallon of water, then overnight it was filled and shut off.  46% humidity outside and there are cracks in the doors of the garage so it may not be because of the wood but it was warm yesterday (over 80F out) and the garage was warm and humid (I'm sure the wood had something to do with that) so I think it's drying.

No more mold and no major new checks that I can see but I still have some to trim and endseal.
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 24, 2019, 09:53:45 AM
About half way through getting all the slabs trimmed and sealed.  Most of the big heavy stuff is done so the back half should be easier.

I placed a 20" box fan and set it on the high setting to push some air around the garage.  On this side (please ignore the mess!) it pushes away from the doors.
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Next I placed the dehumidifier on the other side of the garage with it's exhaust facing the doors.  My hope is to move the air around the room somewhat, in a circular pattern.  Not sure if it is working or will help but it's the best I have at the moment.

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This thing was FULL over night and will be again so I'm debating shutting it off for the weekend since I won't be here to empty it.  Otherwise I'll need to run a hose to the outside for it (might be a good option).
 
Thought you might like to see this one ;)_
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And...

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But this isn't a good sign! It is one of the longer slabs that it's the right width for a bench so my wife decided it should be one ;)  But I need to get it sealed asap before that check gets worse!
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And then
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I also need to get the bases of these slabs off the concrete.  My back has improved some so I'll get to it this afternoon (have to work my day job first).
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 24, 2019, 03:39:39 PM
After dumping yet another gallon of water out of the DH I noticed that bottom check (above) was well into the wood now :(  I may have to cut that 1 1/4" piece in half to try to save it.

51% humidity today (and it rained a few times) and it's just below that in the garage.  The DH might just be keeping up with the outside air moisture but it sure feels and smells more humid in the garage.  I rigged a hose up now and am hoping I'm doing the right thing here.
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Post by: btulloh on May 24, 2019, 04:35:47 PM
Those checks are an opportunity to use bow ties. They are going to occur in some of the slabs. Don't think of them as defects.
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 24, 2019, 05:31:17 PM
Quote from: btulloh on May 24, 2019, 04:35:47 PM
Those checks are an opportunity to use bow ties. They are going to occur in some of the slabs. Don't think of them as defects.
Oh certainly, for some, but when they split the slab in half... ;D :D ???
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Post by: WDH on May 24, 2019, 08:52:37 PM
Slabs dry better stickered in layers.  That prevents drying too fast which is probably why you are getting the checks.  I have had poor luck drying slabs individually, they dry better in a herd.  When stickered, the humidity increases between the layers and moves out of the layers to less humid air outside the stack.  When dried singly, this cannot happen.  The slab is getting full blown air on all sides.  If stickered in layers, it is important to put a layer of stickers on the top layer of the stack and stack some "nurse" boards on top to protect the topmost layer. 
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 24, 2019, 09:01:25 PM
Yup, understood, hence my desire to get them stickered ASAP.  Just didn't work out that way so figured this was the next best option until I can sticker them Tuesday.
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 31, 2019, 12:17:19 PM
A few pics of the slabs drying.  Some the 29th, the 2nd of the same shot today (the 31st)...
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You can see some of the checks are getting a little wider
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Some pretty heavy checking despite the very heavy coating of anchorseal.  However, I expected this because of the checks int he logs.  They were felled just a few days before I milled them and seeing the checks I thought "uh oh".  Not sure why they were checking in the hearts from the start but my guess is that it was due to the tree dying.  I wasn't dead yet but it was rotting in the stump and soon to come down.

Some slabs are doing better than others mind you so we'll see how many bowties I'll need to hold it all together!
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Post by: doc henderson on May 31, 2019, 01:29:29 PM
you may do this already, but could add shade cloth around the stack to slow things down. although at this point, it is what it is.  you can bow tie, or rip up the center to get the crack and joint and re-glue.  with lots of branches and some pith, some cracking is prob just stress in the wood.
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 31, 2019, 01:33:21 PM
Never tried a shade cloth.  Do you just use an old sheet so the wind gets through it?
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Post by: doc henderson on May 31, 2019, 02:00:38 PM
you can see it and buy it from UC coatings, but also at a garden center.  i bought one when i picked up some trees to plant for my wife as a tarp.  it is more like netting with 1/8th inch holes;  keeps the sun off the edges and lets less but some breeze through.  i think it will help little now but would be good for next time.  i bought mine at a tree nursery.  i am sure amazon would be the fastest and cheapest, if you cannot find it locally.  looking at the slabs, I think much of this was predestined Sir.  
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 31, 2019, 07:58:39 PM
Got my moisture meter today 8)

The pine I've been making paneling and flooring out of measures 8.5% at the end vs 23-30% for the walnut measured at the end of the slab (easy to penetrate there).  Whereas, on the surface the slabs are measuring 17%
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 31, 2019, 08:04:10 PM
Wow!  41.5% if measured at the top of the end grain on some slabs and often lower near the bottom of the slab (10 or more % lower).  Interesting!

I can only surmise the water is both rising as it evaporates as well as either travels to the end grain or is just that wet throughout!  No wonder walnut takes so long to dry.

Some of the pine measured even lower (as low as 6%)
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Post by: D6c on May 31, 2019, 08:29:40 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on May 31, 2019, 01:33:21 PM
Never tried a shade cloth.  Do you just use an old sheet so the wind gets through it?

I bought some rolls of burlap at garden store and ran them on sides of stacks... mostly on sunny sides.  Works ok but lifespan is about one season.
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Post by: doc henderson on May 31, 2019, 09:28:59 PM
remember for different species you usually have to change a setting on the meter, or use a conversion factor.  if you measure pine at the walnut setting it will read low since pine is less dense than walnut.  Hope you are having a good time.  thanks for letting us see your progress.   8)  you can go measure stuff in your shop or house to check your meter.
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 12, 2019, 09:40:51 AM
Two weeks of air drying after a week or so in the garage and I am seeing some pretty low numbers that surprised me (somewhat).  Bear in mind the humidity hear can be VERY low.  Though it is 64% this morning it will likely drop to around 20% this afternoon.  It's high desert here and low humidity is normal as well as very little rain.  As such I've seen 9/4 pieces drop into the low 20's already and some 5/4 stuff around 16% and that's at the end not the flat!!!

Too fast?  Can't say I can do anything about it but the checking seems to have stopped at this point and the wood appears to be stabilizing. 

Heck, I even have the stack close to my sprinkler system so it gets some moisture twice every other day!  It's still going to be kiln ready in about two more weeks if this keeps up.

Not sure I know what to make of it.
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Post by: Dana Stanley on June 12, 2019, 09:59:17 AM
Are you checking it near the surface, the ends, or do you have a sacrificial piece, and check in the middle if it?
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Post by: doc henderson on June 12, 2019, 02:43:38 PM
@OlJarhead (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=12463) the ends and edges will be drier.  As thickness increases, there will be a bigger difference between the outside and the core,  this is part of why wood checks and why we use a kiln to reduce the difference by letting some humidity build up in the kiln.  highere at night in a solar kiln to reduce stress.  I believe most of the degrade happens at higher moisture content, so any degrade might already be done.  @GeneWengert-WoodDoc (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=20498)   At this point I would sit back and see haw it goes.  I have really enjoyed your thread.   :)
In hardwoods, the sapwood is less dense than the heartwood and will read less MC as well.
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 12, 2019, 03:12:44 PM
Thanks guys.  Since this is my first use of a moisture meter I'm recording everything and paying close attention to your posts!

I noticed right off that surface moisture readings were a LOT lower which corresponds to what I'd read (the surface dries, the moisture on the inside migrates to it and evaporates etc).

I have found the ends are much higher than the surface and don't use the surface at all.  Just the ends.  Since it's all stickered and covered I don't open up to check a center on a piece I could sacrifice but I may do that once the ends start reading 16% on the thick stuff so I have some way to gauge them.

My plan is to build a garage kiln as soon as the MC drops to 16% or so.
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Post by: doc henderson on June 12, 2019, 03:16:35 PM
what meter are you using.  I have a pinless meter and if it is covering an area less than its base, it under reads.  less also on rough wood than smooth.  I have a wagner.  
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Post by: btulloh on June 12, 2019, 03:30:44 PM
Sacrifice a piece and use the oven-dry method to see where you're at on mc.
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 12, 2019, 11:53:48 PM
Quote from: doc henderson on June 12, 2019, 03:16:35 PM
what meter are you using.  I have a pinless meter and if it is covering an area less than its base, it under reads.  less also on rough wood than smooth.  I have a wagner.  
General Tools MMD4E Digital Moisture Meter Pin Type.
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 07, 2019, 07:10:31 PM
Nope, ain't stopped, just slowed up for a spell but I ain't giving up!  OK, time to add some captions (I do that on my computer but use my phone to post the pics)...


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After leaving the mountain a month (or was it two?) or so ago due to weather my customer hauled a dozen good logs down off the hill and to his home about 50 miles away from me so I agreed to come out and finish the job (despite throwing out my back last week and still fighting various other challenges).

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Got set up and managed to mill up a log but it occurred to me I'd been too long away from the game and forgot things like log crayons to mark the logs with, my Rite in the Rain notebook and pen and a few other odds and sods.  Oh well, we'll figure it out but meanwhile the mill locked up -- vapor lock, which is what I suspected even though the tank was 1/2 full and it ran for one log, albeit slow and gutless I thought.

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However, I got it going after a 15 minute rest and things were working well again :D  Time to ROCK and ROLL!  Lots on, Logs off!  Git 'er done!
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My customer and his workers need to re-arrange some logs so I broke out my 30 year old Thermos and drank coffee while waiting.  Can't move the logs but I can watch and drink coffee (after doing a little clean up).

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Milled for 5hrs (ok, milled most of that time, the rest I was waiting on the customer) and then set the mill up to leave overnight.  Helpers had to go and I was ok with the short day.

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He wants to quarter saw the fir.  I've only done that a couple times and a long time ago but I work by the hour and he knows that so we'll do whatever it is he wants :D

Should be fun anyway :D

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I put my conduit over the rails after lubing them to protect them from rain etc.

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I will spin this door but for now know that it's all from wood I milled up for him.  The show pieces are locust.

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It came out like this and thought:  locust?  really?  OK.  Nice all the same!

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I didn't get a good pic here but these shelves are all blue stained pine.  Nicely done.

Truth is, the guy is a craftsman and I would love to post a lot more pics but I hate to ask unless it's wood I milled up for him.

Back tomorrow for what I hope is no more than another 5hrs and then we'll see.  He has lots of logs and projects so who knows.  For now, it was good to make sawdust despite the back, arms, neck etc :D

Cheers
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on December 07, 2019, 08:37:35 PM
Eric,

   Glad to hear from you and see you didn't step off into a sawdust sinkhole and get bogged down and lost to humanity. Looks like you ave been and will be busy. Keep us posted.
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Post by: Nebraska on December 07, 2019, 09:09:49 PM
Great to see this thread back at the top. Glad you posted another installment, and things are going ok. 
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Post by: Iwawoodwork on December 08, 2019, 12:06:24 AM
Yes, good to see you posting, always enjoy your photos and posts. I do like the climate east of the cascades. Our daughter and son in law (ex) were in Spokane for a couple years, he was in AF at the air base there and our first grandson was born there in 1996, ended up with a couple rentals in Oaksdale and Teco Wa. so we were going back and forth from here (CG, Or.) in the valley for a few years and found Moses Lake when returning to Or. missed the turn off to Tri cities and when hit Moses Lake knew I was kind lost, did find another road south and got back on the correct road, anyway good to see your post.
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 08, 2019, 09:04:41 AM
Thanks guys.  Had a second Kenalog and Lidocaine shot, this time targeted and under ultrasound, and it appears to have worked! :D 8)  So at least the tendonitis is under control (for now anyway).  Still have the bad discs in the neck and have to watch them and the arthritis and and and (so does everyone else right?)...but this customer has Parkinson's and in an advanced stage and puts me to shame so I can't exactly tell him no! lol

I do, however, tell any potential customer that I can't do the heavy lifting anymore.  I run the mill, they do the rest.

I am hoping to do more milling next year because this and last has been very little really. 
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Post by: BtoVin83 on December 08, 2019, 07:17:00 PM
That looks like the second time you've used that thermos in thirty years, mine get dented and the paint worn off. I have a fried that lives in Moses Lake
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on December 08, 2019, 08:32:56 PM
Lol I think a closer look would say otherwise;)
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Three down for the day, three to go.
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This will make 24" x 12' slabs 2 1/2" thick with one that's 3 1/2" - hated to see the helpers struggle ;)

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This is HARD work!
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Um, this truck aint made for this!


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Haven't tallied it up yet but it's a LOT.
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4 1/2 feet wide at the crotch?  Sure, we can do that.  Who needs a 'wide' anyway? LOL
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Now things are getting serious!
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Seriously!

I milled that ugly crotch (maple) into three pieces that he will glue up when done.  The biggest had a nail in it and time was up so I flattened them on two sides (middle on 3) and left them until next visit when I'll slab them down for him so he can make some tables out of them.

Not sure what we milled yet but guessing 3500+ bf for the weekend (11hrs of work probably 10 of milling).
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 08, 2019, 09:11:29 PM
Sorry I didn't get pics of quarter sawing but it went smooth and produced some nice fir.  When pretty smooth and pretty fast too.  It had been a while for me but I guess I'm getting this milling thing down ;) 8)

I pulled out all the stops today too using any number of tricks (like shoving the log over the stops, tossing it up on an angle and knocking off a horn, then back flat and continuing, using the scale (something I didn't use to do but do now when I have something to use it for like the 5/4 stuff I was doing), quarter sawing, making sure the check was in one board and so on and on :D  Felt darn good this weekend and am now excited to get back to milling in the spring!  (though I might get another chance this winter if I don't forget to haul the mill to my property before the roads go to crap.
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 09, 2019, 01:19:30 PM
FYI to mill that big crotch I used a tow strap wrapped on the log clamp (thanks MM) and some pry bars/tank bars/CANT hooks to get it on the deck and upright.  Then pushed it down the deck so it would drop below the bunks.  Next I chainsawed off the top 4-5 inches or so in order to allow the first cut to be made at the upper stop ;D

Once the first cut was done I dropped down 14 inches (just shy I suppose) and whittled the edge with a chainsaw to clear the bevel of the saw shroud then took that piece out.  This left me about 24 inches of remaining piece to work on.

At this point I began working the last piece and noticed a nail (after hitting a rock, changing the band and double checking the 'log' again).  We could not get the nail out with what we had on hand so I flattened the back side and did the same for the other two sections leaving each with 2 (3 on the center piece) flat sides and a 90 degree angle.  I then instructed my customer to remove the nail and any other foreign objects and I'd be happy to finish milling it down for him on my next visit (no sense in him paying me to remove nails etc and it was the end of the day).

All in all a fun day :)  Just wish I had some video of it!
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Post by: Weekend_Sawyer on December 11, 2019, 07:37:41 PM
Glad to see you are back at it.
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 16, 2019, 09:02:36 PM
Thanks :)  Felt awesome!  Too bad it's winter now and I don't often mill in the snow ;) unless it's at my place but I'm too late in getting the mill up there I think.
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Post by: sweetfarm on March 28, 2020, 12:07:08 AM
I just finished reading your entire journey.   What an adventure.   
But now I'm left wondering how you are and if you're still sawing?
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 14, 2020, 08:47:41 AM
Thanks and I'm glad you've enjoyed it.

We're doing well here in WA (the dry side) and while I haven't run the mill since early winter/late fall I do plan to get it up to the cabin to start making some more paneling and D logs for a 2nd cabin and an addition.

Admittedly, some of my ailments are slowing me down (and ticking me off) but I refuse to quit!  I'll be up there again soon and might have to hire a chainsaw operator ;) to fell and buck trees for me but otherwise can run the mill and tractor so plan on continuing.

Hope everyone is doing well in this crazy time!
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Post by: Darrel on April 14, 2020, 09:49:13 AM
Good to hear from you Eric. Things are good here in Oregon, (the dry side) too. 
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 30, 2021, 05:54:46 PM
Hi All!  We moved!  We're back in The Tri-Cities (Pasco) again and I'm doing more milling for myself these days but who knows?  Maybe I'll get back to more portable milling too.  I just posted a video of our adventure in milling which is now over ten years!

A look back at 10 years of portable milling - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTmq8QUrgEI)
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on March 30, 2021, 06:27:51 PM
   Welcome back Eric. Stay safe. Keep the sawdust flying and the posts coming.
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Post by: Magicman on March 30, 2021, 06:49:00 PM
I enjoyed your video Erik, and it's good to see your smiling face back.  :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 30, 2021, 06:59:34 PM
Thanks guys!  Was out falling trees a week ago but fell a big one right onto me big saw :(  That saw just doesn't like me (or I'm just not a pro faller -- true)....ahhh well, got a dozen new saw logs to get working on next week so should have some posts coming soon!
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Post by: Darrel on March 30, 2021, 08:31:50 PM
great Video!
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Post by: TimW on March 30, 2021, 11:42:25 PM
Great video!  Keep'em coming.
         hugs,  Brandi
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Post by: 69bronco on March 31, 2021, 08:42:54 AM
Good to see you back!
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Post by: John S on March 31, 2021, 09:24:53 AM
Nice video!
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 15, 2021, 12:32:00 PM
Thnaks!  Did another short one -- no commentary, just a mix of stuff milling small logs at the cabin.
Remote milling with the Woodmizer LT40 Hydraulic - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lXTOhNTrhs)
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 10, 2021, 12:41:10 PM
Custom English Walnut Bar Top | Wood-Mizer Personal Best Contest (https://project.woodmizer.com/contest/Home/ProjectDetails2021?id=2341)
Sent that in today :D  Woot!
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Post by: Hilltop366 on June 10, 2021, 12:55:48 PM
Well done!!
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Post by: trimguy on June 10, 2021, 06:20:27 PM
Nice top!
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Post by: Magicman on June 10, 2021, 07:42:59 PM
I absolutely love it and wish you the very best with your entry.  thumbs-up
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Post by: DennisK on June 10, 2021, 09:02:20 PM
You're never going to leave the kitchen for another room in the house! Beautiful.  8) 
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 13, 2021, 12:59:51 PM
Thanks all!  After a year we still marvel at it  8)  It is the center piece of the room....but I am working on a mate!  A coffee table to match it!

Meanwhile, this old jarhead is back to making sawdust!  Woot!
Milling Pine D Logs - YouTube (https://youtu.be/Goj9AgxT7_g)
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Post by: slider on June 13, 2021, 01:50:25 PM
Glad you are back making saw dust.
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 13, 2021, 05:29:18 PM
Me too!   8)  I am desperate to get those logs milled up and made into D-Logs for the next cabin and the addition to the original and after our ghost town hunting trip decided to do 6" logs all the way!  woot!  Easier for me that way and they had them back 130 years ago so figure if it worked for them ;)

Also got a fair bit of 1's and 3/4" stock milled for other projects.  Only 5 logs on the day and one was mostly a loss (too much punk) but all in all a good day at the cabin milling :D

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Post by: OlJarhead on June 17, 2021, 01:11:04 PM
Got some more D-Logs done despite not being really prepared for it!  But it was good to get some done!  Latest vid in the series for the terminally bored (or those that just love sawmills!) :D

Also subscribed to the FF Youtube channel -- cool stuff! (didn't know there was one until yesterday!)
Milling D-Logs Part Three -- what a view! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/u-E7DyjPdrk)
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Post by: Nebraska on June 17, 2021, 05:35:08 PM
Enjoyed the video, :)  to any new folks here reading this pondering buying a mill or just new to milling. Read this entire thread, it is gem here on the forum, much knowledge lies within.
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 23, 2021, 05:05:05 PM
Thanks and thanks :D

I've learned a LOT from this forum and made sure to give it a plug in one of my last videos.  Without FF, I'd never have learned how to mill.  Period!

and what can I say?  I love it!
Cheers
8)
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Post by: Brob1969 on June 25, 2021, 10:45:58 AM
This is a great thread I've digested on and off over the last couple months. 
During that time I found an old LT40 that had been pretty much abandoned in the woods of North Florida. I purchased it for a really good price (especially considering it included the sharpener and setter as well) and got to work on the restoration. It took a couple thousand dollars to get it going, but the 1990 mill is now sawing nice true lumber!

I've gotten a lot of good insight from reading this thread, and really appreciate all the personal things you've dealt with along the journey.  Life certainly has its own plans that often supersede our own.  Since getting my mill going our family has had some unexpected changes that have diverted my efforts to more pressing projects,  but I've nonetheless cut several thousand board feet both for my own project and a couple of "away" gigs milling for others.   I'm looking forward to really getting into it more later this year.  
I'm a builder also, and I just cleared a lot for a home I'll be building for a close friend of mine.   Despite the fact that the 1.4 acre lot is in town (Gainesville FL), it's never been built on and we harvested close to 20 trees that are nice size.  One of them is the straightest sweet gum trees I've ever seen and is 30" diameter 20' up the trunk!  There are a couple really nice oaks that we'll use for exposed floor joists in a loft area, and several pignut hickorys that will be flooring. 

I have a couple out of state milling gigs later in the year where I will be camping remotely with my wife where we'll be in the mountains.  If I have it calculated correctly, we'll get about 50/50 milling and camping.  

Thanks again for sharing your journey!
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 07, 2021, 06:35:52 PM
Thank you for all the kind words!  

Camping an milling!  8) I love it!  Nothing better with a good setup....well, making a few extra $$$'s while doing it is better....and if you can fit in a Jeep too well, that's the cat's meow :D

Check out my YT stuff, lots of pain there LOL

Life is a journey and sometimes it just kicks you where it hurts and sometimes it gives you grandkids :D

Cheers
Erik
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Post by: Darrel on July 07, 2021, 07:18:35 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on July 07, 2021, 06:35:52 PM
Life is a journey and sometimes it just kicks you where it hurts and sometimes it gives you grandkids :D
That right there sounds really familiar!  
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Post by: paul case on July 13, 2021, 10:19:32 PM
Well done sir. Carry on.

PC
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 18, 2021, 10:47:28 AM
Dragged the mill the 240 mes back home so I could do some maintenance and prep for a job.  Also brought a load of pine back to put in the woodshed;)

Sawmill life!  Love it.
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Post by: Remle on July 18, 2021, 12:57:46 PM
OldJarhead
A quick question if I may. I'm not familiar with Ponderosa Pine , we have White and Red Pine. Are you concerned with the logs bending ? I've heard that the pith should be centered in the cant as you saw. When you cut off the 3" portion of the cant and made 3 boards, it exposed the pith very close to the flat side. I've seen it in a lot of videos here on the forum and question the out come of the logs. That is , will checking and warping be significant factors ? Starting with a smaller diameter log or increasing the log height to 8" would leave more width to the pith on the flat side. Please don't take my question as criticism , I'm just trying to under stand why people don't seem to center the pith when sawing D logs , as they do while milling other types of lumber..
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 19, 2021, 04:01:02 PM
I try to never split the pith but sometimes it doesn't grow straight ;)

For D logs, movement can occur but I've only lost 1 or 2 due to twisting and it wasn't splitting the pith that caused it (wasn't split in those cases) but rather stress in the log that I just didn't get milled out.

I've done a fair bit of paneling in the early days where I was just off the pith or even split it (before I learned not to) and had no issue at all with Ponderosa.

I think it's a very forgiving wood  8) and barely shrinks too (less that an 8th in anything I've milled out of it.
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 21, 2021, 10:20:10 AM
For the terminally bored (as my dad would say) and those who want to see the mill mods a little closer...
The Old Jarheads Mill, mods and more - YouTube (https://youtu.be/FJce3KHcO_w)
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 26, 2021, 10:32:30 AM
Got some maintenance done on the mill, just need to finish it (oil change still to go, tighten drive chain and maybe some paint here and there as well as a fix on the umbrella stand) then off to mill up some logs on Badger Mountain near Wenachee.  Down to two days now but still a job and I'll go back 2 or 3 times by the sound of it.

Long drive but I like the guy and I had to do some work on the jeep since the suspension wasn't up to the task when we did the first sections of the BDR.  Here's day two:
We take on Bethel Ridge! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/0uWTgb2bPT0)

Now, back to working on the mill and prepping it for another job!  But what do you do when not milling?
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Post by: Crusarius on July 26, 2021, 02:50:24 PM
I sure miss west coast wheeling.
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on July 26, 2021, 02:53:55 PM
Tom,

   I think we run school buses on roads like that around here in WV. :D :D

    (Well, maybe not quite. ::)).
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 26, 2021, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on July 26, 2021, 02:53:55 PM
Tom,

  I think we run school buses on roads like that around here in WV. :D :D

   (Well, maybe not quite. ::)).
LOL I bet!  :D ;D :o -- of course I did see a school bus doing a water fording once...and one floating down a river.....yer neck o the woods? lol
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Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 26, 2021, 06:05:19 PM
Neat video and of course there is no way to convey he actual feeling or conditions on that road. I congratulate you for having a co-pilot that was game and had a sense of humor, which is critical. My wife would have gotten out before the first mile was done. We get some bad ones around here, but we have nowhere near those elevations involved of course. OTOH we don't have nice shoulders like you had here. The woods road I have driven in the hills here generally have a 30' drop about 6' off the passenger side of the hill, which is god enough to get you going.
 Speaking of School Busses in WV, I know a musician from Kentucky who taught High School in KY for 30 years. He told me that if you had a grammar school certificate of graduation that was easily transferable to a license to teach community college in WV. Is that true? :D ;D Anyway, that's what he told me.
 Been a long time since my 4 wheeling days, I got tired of fixing things all week to go and break them again the following weekend, nowadays all my off road time has some kind of productive work associated with it. Notice I did not say 'profitable'. :D
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 26, 2021, 06:28:49 PM
LOL you musta missed the good stuff where there was no shoulder!  :o
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on July 26, 2021, 08:43:41 PM
Tom,

   That was a pretty low blow and I am very disappointed to get viciously blindsided like that by some one I thought was a friend. I am pretty sure they have to prove they had at least completed middle school. :D

    At one point we did have what lots of the administrators hated and called the "Taco Bell principal law". Evidently the WV legislature passed a law that if you had 2 years verifiable management experience you could apply for an administrator's certificate with the school system and become a school principal. They used to say, truthfully I think, if someone was a Taco Bell manager for 2+ years he could become a school principal. To make matters worse and really tick them off, I'd ask them "What's wrong with that?" Since my wife was a High School Band director with a secondary in Math, she had her share of very poor principals with few if any management skills. Most had been a high school gym teacher and coach then became a principal. Many had poor people skills, no experience preparing and administering a budget, setting priorities, adjusting to changing conditions, complying with regulations, and mostly managing the teachers and staff and getting them the support they needed to do their job. I still say an excellent principal does not have to have any teaching experience. You and I and any of us who managed others with skills we did not have. We needed to direct and guide that employee to get the job we needed done and interface with the other team members. 

Eric,

   Your trip reminds me of at trip we took from Tennessee to North Carolina many years ago. I was driving a pick up towing a pop up camper. My wife had the map and was navigating. She found a place were we could cross the state lines on a dirt road in a national forest near Tellico Plains. I got to a T intersection and asked her which way to go. She said go right then 1/4 mile later she said "Oh no, we should have gone left" It was a one lane dirt road hugging the side of the mountain so there was no turning around. The road got so narrow and the drop off so steep she was scared to look out so she stuck her camera out the window and took pictures so she could look later. The kids were riding in the back with the camper shell. They were on the passenger side looking down all bug-eyed till Becky yelled at them to go to the other side. I am sure the added weight on the drives side of a 4 & 6 y/o child was all that kept us on the road. ::) I finally got to the end of the road at a parking area for hikers and a sign that said "Road impassable for vehicular traffic." :P That was not wanted to see. I think I bent the tongue of the camper trailer jacking it around. At one point I thought I was just going to have to disconnect and let it roll over the side of the mountain. We finally got headed back and stopped and asked a backpacker for directions. That is never a good sign and he asked where we came from. He finally said "Well that road should take you there but I did not know you could drive it." We finally got through to paved roads and Tellico Plains.
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Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 26, 2021, 09:52:41 PM
Howard, I am sorry, you may be (and are likely) correct about that middle school thing, all I know is what I was told. Academia is SO unlike the rest of the world, but in that respect (management) it is the same. Some folks should not be in charge of others, it's just that simple.  When I cared about such things I would say there are managers and there are leaders, the problem we have here is that our managers have NO idea what leadership is or what it looks like. Managers do their job and check off boxes on a spreadsheet, leaders figure out what needs to be done, who can do it best, then support them to get it done.
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 27, 2021, 08:42:00 AM
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on July 26, 2021, 06:05:19 PM
Neat video and of course there is no way to convey he actual feeling or conditions on that road. I congratulate you for having a co-pilot that was game and had a sense of humor, which is critical. My wife would have gotten out before the first mile was done. We get some bad ones around here, but we have nowhere near those elevations involved of course. OTOH we don't have nice shoulders like you had here. The woods road I have driven in the hills here generally have a 30' drop about 6' off the passenger side of the hill, which is god enough to get you going.
Speaking of School Busses in WV, I know a musician from Kentucky who taught High School in KY for 30 years. He told me that if you had a grammar school certificate of graduation that was easily transferable to a license to teach community college in WV. Is that true? :D ;D Anyway, that's what he told me.
Been a long time since my 4 wheeling days, I got tired of fixing things all week to go and break them again the following weekend, nowadays all my off road time has some kind of productive work associated with it. Notice I did not say 'profitable'. :D
Truth!  In the video the road looks mild and easy to drive, doesn't look steep at all and even had me at times scratching my head LOL but then I'd put on another section of vid during editing and go "wow, look at the hood camp rocking and rolling back and forth like a bucking bronc!" -- it's funny how the camera hides what's going on sometimes but part of the issue was the springs were not up to the task at hand and so I was bottoming out repeatedly if I went faster.  My buddy behind me in the red jeep felt he could do about 5 or 6mph vs my 2-3.
My wife enjoyed it except the 5 1/2 hrs of crawling along on day two and the 9hrs of driving on day one.  She'd prefer going faster over shorter distances but enjoyed the incredible views we found!
When I got home I ordered the Metalcloak True Dual Rate suspension setup.  It's supposed to be a 2.5" lift and I didn't want ANY lift but no one makes springs for a load like this at stock height so I went with that.  Can't wait to get it done!
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 27, 2021, 08:45:14 AM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on July 26, 2021, 08:43:41 PM


Eric,

  Your trip reminds me of at trip we took from Tennessee to North Carolina many years ago. .............. I finally got to the end of the road at a parking area for hikers and a sign that said "Road impassable for vehicular traffic." :P 
First, I am glad you made it!  Second, WOW!  I've been in some crazy places but that ranks up there with them all!  Yikes!
and since this is a milling thread lol I have to report that my job this weekend is being re-scheduled.  I'm actually quite happy with that though since it's hot, dry and there are some fires raging.  Rather mill when it cools down and is safer frankly....
SO I'll do other things like work on the jeep!
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Post by: Crusarius on July 27, 2021, 09:33:09 AM
I ended up replacing my front coils with sway away air shocks. That made all the difference in the world. Also allows me to lift one tire 54" and keep the other three on the ground :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 27, 2021, 09:42:46 AM
Quote from: Crusarius on July 27, 2021, 09:33:09 AM
I ended up replacing my front coils with sway away air shocks. That made all the difference in the world. Also allows me to lift one tire 54" and keep the other three on the ground :)
Wow!  That's purpose built I'm guessing!
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Post by: Crusarius on July 27, 2021, 03:10:24 PM
yup. I built it when I lived in AZ. I have wheeled some of the hardest trails all over the US. It has only been on its side 5 times :) never all the way over.

My avatar is before the air shocks.
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Post by: VB-Milling on July 27, 2021, 04:11:43 PM
Quote from: Crusarius on July 27, 2021, 03:10:24 PM
yup. I built it when I lived in AZ. I have wheeled some of the hardest trails all over the US. It has only been on its side 5 times :) never all the way over.

My avatar is before the air shocks.
Were/are you active on jeepforum under the same or similar username?
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 27, 2021, 10:15:28 PM
I'm there as emcvay ;)
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Post by: Crusarius on July 28, 2021, 08:39:16 AM
at one time I was very active all over the place. Even the K5 forums when The group I wheeled with started the fullsize revolution.

Life kinda got in the way so I am not all over like I used to be. I sure miss those days and the west coast wheeling. East coast wheeling is usually muddy, rainy, and slippery.
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 29, 2021, 08:49:14 AM
Life definitely gets in the way but I'm getting close to retiring (from my day job anyway) and have decided to go do stuff again!  At least, don't work so much, play more and live a little.

Not milling this weekend now either so will continue mill maintenance, planing some blue stained pine for wainscotting and hopefully get the suspension done on the jeep so I can get back on the trail and pick up the pace a little :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCwWP2frW1s
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 02, 2021, 11:04:54 AM
Alright!  Enough of that Jeepin' stuff for now!  Back to the sawmill!

So, years back I made an Umbrella stand but eventually the umbrella bit the dust and I got a new one with a knuckle that would allow me to tilt it, but I had to get the stand modded up to fit the new thicker pole so.....here ya go!

Best Mill Mod Ever! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/bpu9WmZy_dc)
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Post by: Hilltop366 on August 02, 2021, 11:30:54 AM
Nice, how about a "U" shaped piece of steel with a pin across to hold the top?

It would be quick and tool-less for install and removal. 
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 02, 2021, 12:04:00 PM
I was thinking of something like that.  Maybe half a 1.5" pipe welded to the small pipe up top with a 1 inch standoff and a clamp face (2nd half of pipe maybe?) with a pin or something to make it stay put.

Of of the challenges of the old setup was the pin would get lost and the umbrella would spin in the wind sometimes (irritating).

I'll sort out this last piece before I go out milling again ;)
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Post by: Hilltop366 on August 02, 2021, 01:03:23 PM
Yes, like that with one of these.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/CURT-1-4-Safety-Pin-with-12-Chain-2-3-4-Pin-Length-25012/205631605 (https://www.homedepot.com/p/CURT-1-4-Safety-Pin-with-12-Chain-2-3-4-Pin-Length-25012/205631605)

The answer to all your problems! :D
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 02, 2021, 03:09:40 PM
Yup,something like that to capture it...and need to prevent it from spinning etc so may need to pin it in place.
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Post by: Magicman on August 02, 2021, 03:50:28 PM
I am partial to this style umbrella because it is both height and angle adjustable:  LINK (https://farmpartsstore.com/red-upper-housing-12-6a50/?us&gclid=CjwKCAjwr56IBhAvEiwA1fuqGshCHIfDRihsWmzy3-mT4ThWLiaP4BIlw87ltFF4v_3eqX6s9yWk3xoCXBgQAvD_BwE)

Mine is in the weather 24-7 and I usually replace the cover every two years.
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 02, 2021, 05:38:19 PM
I remember seeing that before.  It's smaller so might be better in inclement weather too but I do like my 10 foot umbrella for coverage/shade on hot days!  The old one was a 6 footer I believe (I said 8 foot but I think that's wrong) and didn't give me much protection but did give some.  Now I am out of the sun at high noon!   8) and no water running down my back in the rain! :D
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 02, 2021, 06:45:49 PM
Eric,

   I can see the umbrella for shade but I don't need one for rain as I am not going to be sawing in the rain. I may finish the cant I'm sawing if a sudden rain shower comes up but if is much I shut down. Rain clogs up my sawdust and such too much and too much risk of messing something up. 
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Post by: doc henderson on August 02, 2021, 08:45:26 PM
Howard, @WV Sawmiller (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=28064) not everyone is able to saw in the rain!   :o   :D   :)
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 02, 2021, 08:50:09 PM
   Agreed. IMHO if you are not under a waterproof roof you should not be sawing during the rain but if you guys want to be different in Kansas you go right ahead. ;) I think I made my original comment because Eric mentioned creating a waterproof condition with his umbrella.
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Post by: Magicman on August 02, 2021, 08:58:13 PM
I do not, am not, and will not saw in the rain.....at night either.
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 02, 2021, 08:58:52 PM
I am pretty much 100% mobile and can't control the weather.  As such if the customer is willing to work in the rain, Snow, sleet, fog etc we work.

However, I avoid high Temps like the plague.  I don't mill during fire season for the most part but mill the rest of the time if it is safe to do so.

Incidentally,  I get injured when it aint raining lol.  Thousands of board feet made in the rain and snow here!  Whoohoo!
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 02, 2021, 09:02:34 PM
Woodmizer LT10 (we call it the Super Manley LT10) - YouTube (https://youtu.be/2K1xTY1sNus)

Way back when!  Milled up as much as that little 10hp LT10 could do in 3 days while it downpoured on us the entire time!  8)
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 02, 2021, 09:13:11 PM
Eric,

   You do what works for you but I estimate the sawing time involved and I try not to schedule a job start unless there is a high likelihood we can will have enough good weather predicted to finish. This is especially true if the job is far from home. I don't mind taking a chance on a job 10 miles from home but if I have a 2 day job 50 miles from home I won't even schedule it unless the weather is predicting 30% chance or less for rain for the time required. I did get caught in a very hard thunderstorm on a 130 mile away job a couple weeks ago which cost us an hour or so of work. 

   The only time you'll find me sawing in the rain is to finish a cant or maybe to edge one side of a fireplace mantel or bar top or such. I learned long ago "You don't have to practice to be miserable."
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Post by: Magicman on August 02, 2021, 09:28:15 PM
I am also 100% portable.  The job that I rain opted out on for today and tomorrow is 26 logs and 20 miles away.  I probably could finish it in one day but it could take a full day.  No way would I even suggest that the customer or the helpers work in the rain which could also include lightening. 

A friend's horse was killed by lightening this past week and another found several goats dead and suspected lightening.
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 02, 2021, 09:40:56 PM
I guess it's different everywhere.   I grew up in places that got over 200 inches of rain a year....you wouldn't mill if you didn't mill in the rain;)
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 09, 2021, 01:51:05 PM
Still haven't gotten out to mill up all those logs yet (too hot) and may go mill a few logs up locally but in the meantime I've been working on some wainscot for the bar :D

Taking roughsawn lumber to the next level! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/iRVlhyH2TLE)
For those bored enough to check it out ;)
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 16, 2021, 07:47:53 PM
Well I still haven't made it to the cabin or out milling!  But I do have a couple jobs lined up so for now, this is what I'm up to!

Sawmill rough-sawn lumber to awesome wainscot! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/Fv3W_QvkdBg)
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 20, 2021, 05:50:13 PM
Finally getting back to milling for someone else! :D  8)

Gotta go mill up a big pine tomorrow.  Funny thing, it's been a while since I had to pack out stuff for a job LOL so now I'm in a bit of a rush to get everything set up this afternoon so I can roll out in the AM....Yikes!
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Post by: terrifictimbersllc on August 20, 2021, 05:56:46 PM
Taking the camper?
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 21, 2021, 03:52:29 PM
Not this time.
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 21, 2021, 03:55:18 PM
I met my match!  or more specifically 'logzilla' that my LT40 did not have the capacity to lift!  10 years and I never had a log I couldn't mill and then I met this 17 foot Ponderosa pine that was 32" in diameter at BOTH ends!

Logzilla weighed in at a mill squashing 4272.3 lbs! and scaled a plentiful 766bf (int scale) but I didn't know that going into it.


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20210821_080042.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1629576451)
At first I think it would be close to the lift capacity, then I began to worry a little.....

 

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20210821_084216.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1629576455)
Once lined up I decided I could do it!  Might need MM's trick with a chain on the log clamp but I'd get it.


Several minutes of trying to get the mill to lift the log and I realized I was batting out of my league!  That log was NOT going on the mill without using the forks and the forklift was not running well so I didn't want to risk dropping the log on the mill not did I want to find out I couldn't turn it.

I then got on FF in the toolbox and looked up the weight  :P :o :o :o

Ya, no!

He want's 16 footers so.......someone with a BIGGER mill than my puny LT40HD will have to come save the day.  Any takers?
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 21, 2021, 04:30:05 PM
Eric,

   I'm confused. I am pretty sure the max weight on the loader arms specified on your mill is at least 4400 lbs. I'd have thought she'd have groaned a bit then lifted it right into place. Did I miss something?
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 21, 2021, 04:42:55 PM
I believe it's 3500lbs
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 21, 2021, 07:14:18 PM
According to WM's current specs it should be 4400lbs....makes me wonder if the 2015/2016 models were the same or the 3500lbs I seem to recall???

At 4400lbs I should have been able to get it onto the mill though just barely but I could not get it off the ground AT ALL.  Even with the log clamp pulling a choker chain to draw the log all the way onto the forks, it wasn't going up.

Hmmmm......
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Post by: Magicman on August 21, 2021, 07:15:58 PM
You are rated to lift 4400 lbs.  LINK (https://woodmizer.com/us/LT40-Hydraulic-Portable-Sawmill)

The hook, chain, and log clamp rolls the log closer to/over the loader arms pivot point make logs easier to load.  Since you have an 'uncertain forklift' available, rather than using it to load the log onto the sawmill bed, use it to help the loader with the log.  If the claw can't turn the log, use the clamp and claw together.  Raise the log with the clamp and then lower it allowing the log's weight against the claw to turn it.
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 21, 2021, 08:38:59 PM
  My mill is rated the same as yours and I am confident I have loaded WO logs heavier than that. As I remember I had more of a challenge turning them than loading it. I remember I had to use the claw and clamp and maybe even the toeboards to get it to turn. I have had to use the loader arms and a short board to turn some big, awkward logs. Mostly the arms and board were used to hold it in a raised position while I got a new bite with the claw of got the clamp repositioned. 
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Post by: Magicman on August 21, 2021, 08:52:38 PM
You also can use your magic hook and chain to turn logs with only the log clamp.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20011/2410/DSCN0565.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1321929784)
 

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20011/2410/DSCN0566.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1321929786)
 
I have used this technique many times on large logs.  I was reverse rolling/turning this one but it's easy enough to rig it to turn in the opposite direction.
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 21, 2021, 09:40:34 PM
Perhaps something wasn't right.  The forks would not budge the log at all.  In fact it just stopped once there was pressure on them.  Tried using the log clamp and chain to pull it in and lift like I've done before and it did not budge.

Couldn't get the forklift in behind it as another very big log was directly behind it.

I was on the road at the edge of the pavement with a slight lean towards the log (crown of the road to the left of the log loader) but I can't imaging that would matter.
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Post by: Iwawoodwork on August 22, 2021, 01:55:04 PM
Sounds like maybe a relief valve was bypassing. not giving full hyd pressure. 
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 22, 2021, 05:26:17 PM
I wonder?

the log could weigh more than the estimate too I suppose 
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Post by: Brucer on August 22, 2021, 06:21:01 PM
Yes, it could. You're awfully close to the limit, and the green weight used in the calculations is just an estimate of what it actually could be.

Did you measure the diameter inside the bark, or outside?
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 22, 2021, 07:16:18 PM
Outside to inside was 32" and I just did a quick check.  no taper either.
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Post by: GullyBog on August 22, 2021, 07:30:22 PM
Weight is highly variable.  Good pine is heavy.  That looks like a good log with lots of heart in it.
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Post by: Brucer on August 22, 2021, 08:56:31 PM
The reason I asked is the toolbox calculator wants the diameter to the outside of the bark. The bark will be lighter than the wood and I'm assuming the calculator adjusts for the bark thickness according to the species you choose.

Your weight is so close to the lift capacity that even an extra inch of sound wood could put you over.
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Post by: TimW on August 23, 2021, 01:14:20 AM
Have you tried lifting any other logs? 
hugs,  Brandi
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 23, 2021, 11:08:49 AM
Thanks guys -- I'm seeing 33" outside to outside on one end, the other end is about the same.  Looking at the tool again I see this weight: 4543.65

And a note that it is to be measured at the middle of the log!  :o :P

So, it's above capacity either way.
You can see me try like heck to get it on the mill here:
I meet 'LogZilla'! - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvFy-wcvhUg)
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Post by: D6c on August 23, 2021, 12:55:22 PM
If you've got that telehandler there, just set it on the mill with it.
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 23, 2021, 01:15:22 PM
Quote from: D6c on August 23, 2021, 12:55:22 PM
If you've got that telehandler there, just set it on the mill with it.
I wish I had video of that thing trying to move the log....it wasn't going well and the guy running it couldn't get the forks to tilt well or properly....scary!  I wasn't letting it anywhere near the mill! LOL  :D :o
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Post by: Brucer on August 23, 2021, 01:31:06 PM
If the telehandler is still available, one work-around would be to fasten a heavy rope to the metal tube between the loader forks and run it under the log. Extend the telehandler forks across the mill and attach the rope to them so you have a vertical lift. Use this arrangement to assist the sawmill hydraulics.

If you use a nylon or poly rope (say 3/4" or a couple of 1/2") it will stretch enough to balance the load between the machine and the mill. It'll also compensate for erratic operation of the machine. As the loader arms rise the cylinders will get more of a mechanical advantage and might be able to finish the job on their own.

The biggest log I had on my first (manual mill) was a 33" dia (small end) x 20'-7" long Ponderosa Pine. It was dry enough to shed it's bark as I loaded it, but not dry enough to start checking. I'd guess around 30" Moisture content. Pretty close to the same weight as your log. I bent the 3/8" mounting plate on the winch getting that one up -- and I had to take a couple of breaks to let my arms rest before I got it up there.

NOTE: I found that dumping soapy water onto the bed rails before I tried to turn the log made a big difference.
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 23, 2021, 01:45:59 PM
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/Milling4.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1629740545)
I did this one about 5 years ago....it was 36" at the butt end but had enough taper to get it down to 24ish at the other end....it was heavy and we had to use a tractor to help load it (seen here)....

Loading a 450bf Pine onto the mill - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfv3BBApyHA)
We just couldn't do it at this location with the logs where they were....maybe I could get him to move the other logs and make room for the loader, then come back, set up and have him assist the mill on the lift to get it on the bed.  Then I ought to be able to take the top off and rotate it.

Anyone think that's insane? lol
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Post by: Crusarius on August 23, 2021, 01:50:31 PM
oljarhead, I have done some pretty dumb things using scissor jacks and hi-lift jacks for lift assist. I bet if you had a hi-lift jack you could have put a chain around the log to the hi-lift and lifted with the jack and hydraulics at the same time and been good to go. Just keep your distance and be ready to jump out of the way. NEVER TAKE YOUR HAND OFF THE HI-LIFT JACK DEATH MACHINE!!!!!
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Post by: Hilltop366 on August 23, 2021, 05:15:50 PM
With a piece of chain or strap I bet that tele lift could have reached out and provided enough assistance to get that log started.
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Post by: Brucer on August 23, 2021, 05:37:51 PM
For a large diameter softwood log 20' long or less, you can get a good approximation of the diameter at the middle of log by averaging the 2 end diameters.

I wouldn't use a chain or a wire rope to assist with the lift using a machine. You want something with a bit of stretch to it because it will be pretty difficult to match the speed between the machine and the sawmill loader. The stretch in a rope helps to balance the load.

I'd be very careful using a jack. If it slips you could suddenly have your sawmill loader overloaded while the log is suspended. That's a good way to blow cylinder seals and hydraulic lines.

Here's my big PP log. Hand winched up the mill's ramps. I had to do a little chain saw work to clear the blade guide on the first cut.


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11885/NST_Aug_1.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1192065375)


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Post by: OlJarhead on August 30, 2021, 08:38:01 AM
OK this Saturday is scheduled to get that monster log on the mill and it's mates....meanwhile I'm almost done with the wainscoting project!
Milled, planed, dried, jointed, sanded and.... - YouTube (https://youtu.be/ZNkFEhzxL18)
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Post by: Peter Drouin on August 31, 2021, 06:38:35 AM
I think the blue stan looks ok. But around here customers use it to hold in farm animals. And sell at a lower price, Sometimes I can't give it away.
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 31, 2021, 08:26:16 AM
LOL I've seen it go for twice what un-stained pine can go for.  Seems it was really cool in the yuppy market for a while, or so I hear.  Us?  We don't really care either way because we love it!  8)

Sometimes I can't get over how nature can do it's thing and come up with amazing beauty out of other peoples farm fence :D 
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Post by: justallan1 on August 31, 2021, 08:56:56 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on August 31, 2021, 08:26:16 AM
LOL I've seen it go for twice what un-stained pine can go for.  Seems it was really cool in the yuppy market for a while, or so I hear.  Us?  We don't really care either way because we love it!  8)

Sometimes I can't get over how nature can do it's thing and come up with amazing beauty out of other peoples farm fence :D
That's what it like here. I have a couple guys that want nothing but blue pine, while others act like they might catch something from it. :D
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 31, 2021, 09:37:55 AM
I guess it comes down to preference.  Some just like that  clean white or yellow pine look, some like the patterns and colors that come out with the stain....sometimes it's so awesome it looks like marble!
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Post by: WDH on August 31, 2021, 02:39:27 PM
Blue pine is one of my biggest sellers.  Here is a blue pine large green egg table one of my customers made. 

 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/14370/C3A8E069-869B-4B79-BEC8-1133717AFFD4.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1630434932)
 
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 03, 2021, 08:03:56 AM
Cool table!

For those who've followed along, here's the finished bar!  8)
Wow! We love the new bar! From sawmill to finished bar...what's not to love? - YouTube (https://youtu.be/vJIeEDrmgwM)

We love it!
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Post by: terrifictimbersllc on September 03, 2021, 09:17:47 AM
I'll watch the rest of this later. After a minute I couldn't take it, going down to straighten up my shop.  ::)
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 03, 2021, 09:24:13 AM
LOL I have to finish cleaning up mine!  It was pretty crazy -- that's how I am, clean it up, make a big mess, clean it up, make a big mess!  ::) :D ;D

I wish I'd learned how those guys who can make something and NOT make a mess do it, but I haven't learned that one LOL
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Post by: terrifictimbersllc on September 03, 2021, 10:06:48 AM
Sorry, if yours is a mess then I might just as well give up.
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 03, 2021, 10:09:12 AM
LOL!  :D ;D The video is deceiving!  I had to spend an hour cleaning up (and not even close to done) to get the Jeep into the shop so I can replace the suspension this weekend  8)

I am always moving things around, picking things up, cleaning up loads of sawdust etc....it's a never ending battle but the 900 square feet hides much of the mess ;)
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 19, 2021, 10:58:33 PM
hi all.

I managed to tackle logzilla but got covid so have been slowly battling this thing for nearly two weeks.

am doing ok but hoping things will improve soon!
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Post by: VB-Milling on September 20, 2021, 08:30:11 AM
Oh no!  You tackled logzilla WITH covid??? 

That's intense!
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Post by: VB-Milling on September 20, 2021, 08:51:11 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on September 03, 2021, 10:09:12 AM
I had to spend an hour cleaning up (and not even close to done) to get the Jeep into the shop so I can...
This is basically the story of my life...LOL
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 20, 2021, 09:37:30 AM
Quote from: VB-Milling on September 20, 2021, 08:30:11 AM
Oh no!  You tackled logzilla WITH covid???

That's intense!
didn't realize at the time I had it.  was until a couple days later I tested because of cold symptoms (work required) and came up pos
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 20, 2021, 02:43:06 PM
on a side note, lost a bearing in the under carriage I think. but have been too sick to do anything about it
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Post by: doc henderson on September 20, 2021, 05:27:18 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on September 20, 2021, 02:43:06 PM
on a side note, lost a bearing in the under carriage I think. but have been too sick to do anything about it
sorry, with my bad sense of medical humor, I thought you were talkin about something else.  glad you recovering.   :) :) :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 20, 2021, 06:05:26 PM
lol no worries.  

Thanks to America's Frontline Doctors I got some good drugs which turned me around after a 12 day battle that I wasn't winning. 

no fever for more than 12hrs now!  Stull a rough cough but Robitussin seems to help with that and now it's just time I think
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Post by: John S on September 20, 2021, 06:15:16 PM
Be well!
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 22, 2021, 06:31:33 PM
Servicing the sawmill with an F35 Flyover! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/7C_6W4nW3HQ)
For those bored ;)  But hey, check out that Jet!

Anyway, seems I needed to do something with the bearings under the carriage.  Any of you do anything with them periodically?  I seem to have a bad one now.
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 22, 2021, 09:02:05 PM
Ordered new carriage bearings for the mill.  Had one fail while milling log zilla (new vid just posted on YT).

hoping to get them replaced this weekend 
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 28, 2021, 10:28:42 AM
Still haven't gotten the new bearings in but hope to do that this week.  However, I need to make a cabin run on the weekend so no sawmill maintenance then and the following week I need to head to a milling job in the mountains so I better get it done!

I did, however, take on LogZilla a few weeks ago before I tested positive for Covid.  Got it done!
Logzilla - The Rematch! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/ucqtpiUWIsU)

However, I did have a lot of trouble with the bad bearings causing feed issues so I only did the one log and pulled off AGAIN!  If I can get the bearings done soon I can get back and do the other two logs.

Only thing I've had energy for (though I am doing a lot better now) was to take the jeep out for a short run at the dunes to test the new suspension.   8)  It was a good time and I posted a vid of it today.  Good times, but it took a lot out of me to walk around much on the soft sand.  I'll get back into shape but for now it's literally one step at a time!
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 29, 2021, 07:57:21 PM
Got the bad bearing replaced.  was simple enough except that the vertical bolt that holds the housing up, if tightened snug stops the head from moving so I need to check that.

The bearing was ground down some and had a flat spot.
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 07, 2021, 08:43:55 AM
Well I ended up replacing the 2nd bearing as well.  I'd gone under the mill to check the bearing placement (that upright bolt is to center the bearing on the rail) and noticed it was worn as well so off it came, got it replaced and noticed the 1st one wasn't even on the rail!  So, I had to adjust that side by pulling it in which changed the alignment a little so I had to fiddle with that a bit to get it right but in the end it's sorted!

Now I have to get packed out so I can go mill up 60ish logs in the woods for a long standing customer.  I'll be up over 4000 feet so here's hoping the weather holds!  I don't like pulling the mill in the snow!
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 09, 2021, 11:30:17 AM
Well it's 8:30am and where is my customer and his help?

I arrived at 7am as I indicated.   went through the mill (lube etc) as it is Dat two and no one has arrived.  grrrrrr

I need to add a waiting on my are clause that says I will bill you for sitting on my rear waiting on you!

if they ain't here in an hour I may just pull up stakes and head out.  

What would you do?  I guess I could call him and ask where his help is but frankly he is an hour away so if he ain't on the way already then I am sitting for am hour.

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Post by: doc henderson on October 09, 2021, 11:46:24 AM
I have had a few empoyees/PA/NP think they were off.  one came in late and the other felt she did not need to come in since she thought she was off.  must be a new thing.  maybe they got the date wrong in their head, I would call.  give you a chance to express your displeasure.
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Post by: terrifictimbersllc on October 09, 2021, 12:54:30 PM
I call as soon as I get there to find out where the customer is.
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 10, 2021, 09:06:54 AM
They showed up not long after, got a slow start and only milled 11 logs that scaled out about 1700bf.

They say they will be there earlier today.  we shall see.

Have had a litany of issues this trip the latest of which is sporadic slowing down of the head once the clutch engages.   seems to help to clean and lube the rails but not all the time.

I am scratching my head on this one.
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Post by: Darrel on October 10, 2021, 05:28:18 PM
I'd check those bearings you replaced the other day, sounds like they may be adjusted a tad bit too tight.
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 10, 2021, 08:56:46 PM
funny thing  is it only happens when the clutch is engaged 
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 10, 2021, 08:57:30 PM
and not always 
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 12, 2021, 08:07:04 PM
Spoke with. WM rep who agreed this is a tough one.  I agreed to lube the drum switches etc since I hadn't done in a while and then would test it out and see what happens 
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Post by: GAB on October 12, 2021, 08:24:37 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on October 10, 2021, 08:56:46 PM
funny thing  is it only happens when the clutch is engaged
If I read that statement correctly it says that things are happening as the head turns cw when the clutch is engaged.
That bolt that locked the head I think needs to be backed off 1/2 to 1 turn.
Anyway that is where I would start.
GAB
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 12, 2021, 11:43:11 PM
but most of the time it's fine
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 16, 2021, 08:49:34 AM
As strange as it is that thus issue was intermittent it does seem it was the carriage drive belt being loose.  it had a half inch of flex vs the called for 1/8.  I tightened it up and it seems good.  we shall see.

Now off to mill Logzillas siblings
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 17, 2021, 03:04:46 PM
well dis some math today and it looks like Lozilla and the twins ran about 49c/bf to mill (for the customer) so not as good as I would like.  specially since the knots were horrible to mill through.

Job before that was about 55c/bf but that was because the customers crew was so slow and delayed milling a lot.  could easily milled about 1200 to 1500bf for the same money. maybe more like 2500 really, but this is why I bill hourly.
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Post by: VB-Milling on October 18, 2021, 06:59:51 PM
What caused the slowness with the customer's crew? Too much jibber jabber or didn't know how to work/not capable?
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 18, 2021, 09:28:53 PM
I just think they didn't want to work too hard or fast.  lot of sitting around 
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Post by: VB-Milling on October 19, 2021, 07:59:41 AM
Seems to be a systemic problem nowadays  :D
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 19, 2021, 04:45:36 PM
Yup -- though in all fairness they were trying to stack and sticker when not off-bearing and the customer didn't seem to appreciate the importance of having a crew that could be on time, worked off-bearing all the time, and was prepared to work as long as the mill was!

But I appreciate all the work either way (and charge by the hour ;) ) 8) ;D :o
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 21, 2021, 08:04:14 AM
Watching the video footage and I realize this crew was working hard most of the time...the issue wasn't them, so I stand corrected.  It was just not enough guys to stack and sticker and keep up with 16 footers coming off the mill.
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 27, 2021, 04:46:06 PM
LogZilla's little bro vid drops tomorrow but I had to fix my feed issue first!
Wood-Mizer LT40 Carriage Feed issue! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/7OOymJTA2h8)

Bet you all have been there and done that before? LOL but this was my first.
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 10, 2021, 09:41:14 AM
Howdy!  It's been a while and I haven't posted much but in all fairness I've shifted from pics to vids and find I take less pics!

I milled up the biggest (to me) Black Locust recently and WOW!  That is some gorgeous stuff!  It looked liked a lighter version of Black Walnut and man I wish I could have had a couple slabs :D  I need to advert for some hardwood shares jobs!

Did some cookies too which was fun and they will make awesome tables.  Next up, if I'm lucky is a rotten black walnut that may or may not yield much.  It's dead standing and the guy wants to make something from it as it was his dad's dream and his dad passed.  So I'm going to give it my best to get something useful out of it for him.  We shall see!

Other than that I had a harrowing drive from the property in my dually chained up pulling the mill for 9 miles in the snow and ice!  NEVER AGAIN! lol ok, maybe not never but that's the 3rd time, maybe the 4th and I'm not liking it at all!

Now I'm just settling into the winter routine of making things in the shop and waiting for better road conditions to do more milling!  and yes, I plan to get back at it more frequently.  Still struggling with bad discs etc but not giving up! ha!

Cheers
Erik
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 19, 2021, 11:08:39 PM
Just for fun! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/KuAG4XkSadQ)
Meanwhile ;)
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Post by: OlJarhead on January 11, 2022, 05:29:37 PM
Looks like I'll be milling up a walnut tomorrow :D  8) it will be a small job but nice to get the mill out during the winter which is rare for me!
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Post by: OlJarhead on January 21, 2022, 05:18:17 PM
Got that walnut milled up and WOW!  It's gorgeous!
Black walnut gold - Unbelievable grain! | Wood Mizer LT40 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfejcxslFuE)

There's also a video of milling the black locust and the stump sections as well (from December).

Got a call from a guy to possibly do a 36" 6 foot black locust so hopefully I'll do that too!  Started advertising again as well as I plan to get back to milling more seriously this year.  If luck is with me I'll retire from my regular job and just mill!

Wish me luck!
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Post by: doc henderson on January 21, 2022, 06:08:26 PM
GOOD LUCK!  OJH
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Post by: OlJarhead on January 21, 2022, 08:06:42 PM
Thanks Bud!  I'm really looking forward to warmer weather and some serious milling!
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Post by: OlJarhead on February 01, 2022, 08:34:58 AM
No new milling lately but I did spend some time at the cabin and produced this video (Part one of two)
The old jarheads cabin build | Fireside discussion - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe2R7YJTsDI)
I discuss the cabin build and in part two below I specifically call out FF for their help and turning me on to Wood-Mizer!

The Old Jarheads Cabin Build | Fireside discussion continued - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fy12I7zeBc)

I have had a few calls for potential milling gigs this spring so with luck I'll be back in the saddle this year!  I'm planning on quitting my job (which darn near gave me a heart attack last year from all the insane stress they began to pour on) and just do my milling and wood working and cabin stuff :D
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Post by: OlJarhead on February 09, 2022, 08:57:07 AM
Winter is killing me! LOL -- at this time I can't get the mill to the cabin and even if I could it wouldn't do me any good as there is a foot and a half of snow still!  Even if the tractor's four wheel drive worked I still wouldn't be able to do much....and down here no one is ready to get milling it seems.  So I sit and twiddle my thumbs ;)  Actually, I'll head back to the cabin soon and I'm starting a new woodworking project.

For anyone interested, I finally finished the coffee table I started a few years back!  Here is from when I started it ;)

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/60172240_10157529792483217_809857963886903296_o.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1557866681)
My sister's pre-school class learning about the life of trees and what happens to them when they start to die.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20190519_124144.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1558295027)
Ready for the 230+ mile haul home after milling up her English Walnut.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20190519_124129.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1558295026)
Quick stop in Hillsboro for a tax free purchase (always take advantage of the tax savings when in Oregon :D

  (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_1995_28679x102429.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1558705581)
This is the slab I made the top from...before it was dried and planed of course.

  (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_2014_28229.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1559318647)
Stacked and stickered for nearly a year.

  (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_2027.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1559318831)

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20190921_132326.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1569256483)
The 'sorta solar kiln' -- just 6 mil plastic on a frame with a dehumidifier inside and a small heater for when it got colder.  It did seem to help as the dehumidifier was always releasing water by day.

And after drying, planing, setting bowties (I'm a rookie) and then moving, building a shop, doing other things etc etc etc I finally got it done!  WhooHoo!
Live edge slab coffee table | Simple but amazing! - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cgd_lD5F0c)
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Post by: Resonator on February 09, 2022, 02:04:46 PM
Nice! smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup
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Post by: Walnut Beast on February 09, 2022, 03:46:05 PM
Nice Pictures 👍
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Post by: Crossroads on February 09, 2022, 07:17:41 PM
Cool idea on the mini kiln, I have a small order of blued pine that I need to dry. 
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Post by: OlJarhead on February 22, 2022, 08:48:30 AM
Quote from: Crossroads on February 09, 2022, 07:17:41 PM
Cool idea on the mini kiln, I have a small order of blued pine that I need to dry.
It seemed to work ok but there were some challenges:
1. Household dehumidifiers only go down to about 30% -- however, every day there was water coming out of the tent from it so it had to be helping.
2. Try not to do it in the late fall early winter even if where I am LOL it got too cold after a while.
3.  It would be better to just have a fan moving the air out of the box and an air inlet on the sun side.
It did help lower the moisture a bit though.
As for blue pine, I air dry it only.  But I am in a very arid climate so that helps but in about 8 weeks of air drying it's down pretty low already and useable at that point for construction use, paneling etc.
Cheers
Erik
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Post by: Crossroads on February 22, 2022, 11:28:48 AM
It's definitely cold now, 6° this morning. I may end up cheating, I spoke to my old boss yesterday and they are running their kiln again and said I can send my stack of pine through. I am also buying a piece of CLT to use for the floor of a kiln that I will build this year. Right now I have some clear plastic over the stack with both ends open. 
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Post by: OlJarhead on February 22, 2022, 08:57:18 PM
That's a tad chilly!  But glad you can take advantage of the kiln!
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Post by: OlJarhead on February 26, 2022, 01:46:03 PM
An Introduction to Mobile Milling - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxs_sWTeiBI)
Made this one for the WSU extension Forest and Range Owners training.

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Post by: Peter Drouin on February 26, 2022, 08:20:46 PM
I'm sick of the cold too.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 01, 2022, 08:54:01 AM
I am seriously getting tired of it! LOL  

I am planning on going into Semi-Retirement (i.e. quitting my full time job) and running my mill part time and I want to get some cabin logs milled up and it just aint happening right now!
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Post by: Magicman on March 01, 2022, 01:35:34 PM
I absolutely recommend being fully retired like myself.  Then you will never have another day off.....ever !!  :D
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Post by: Crossroads on March 01, 2022, 09:17:18 PM
I like your video, you did a good job.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 01, 2022, 11:01:09 PM
Quote from: Magicman on March 01, 2022, 01:35:34 PM
I absolutely recommend being fully retired like myself.  Then you will never have another day off.....ever !!  :D
LOL that would be better than where I work now! 
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 09, 2022, 10:27:04 AM
 8) I am getting close!  Planning my last day at the 'job' to be April First -- not fools but they are to lose me LOL  Don't matter though as I have a sawmill and a Jeep ;)  So I plan to use both more :D
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Post by: fluidpowerpro on March 09, 2022, 09:20:28 PM
Congratulations on taking the next step. I'm sure you'll have no problem keeping busy.
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Post by: doc henderson on March 10, 2022, 06:52:18 AM
Joke is on them; I am sure you will be missed at work.  good for you!
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 16, 2022, 07:23:37 PM
OK, the first might be too ambitious but it's coming in April one way or another ;)  I just agreed to take a week off (LOL) at the start of April (OK, I took it, they agreed) and then I will likely put in my notice after that ;)  Couple things happening to delay it a little but I hope to be out of there by mid-April if at all possible, though it might be the end of April.

I have a job scheduled now for the 15th though the 17th about 100 miles from home and I think the wife will join me for that one.  I also have a week of work planned around the same time (so I really need to retire so I can go to work LOL) and a couple other customers chomping at the bit to get their logs milled up...and I suspect I'll be busy in May and June as well but I am taking a week off in June and at least one in July and likely all of August :D :D

Can't wait to do something I LOVE to do vs something I just do because it's what I've done for over 25 years and paid well....it's time!
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Post by: Crossroads on March 17, 2022, 02:57:15 AM
I doubt you'll regret it, I left my day job on April 2 last year to run the mill full time. I just couldn't bring myself to leave on April fools day, for fear the joke would end up being on me. 
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Post by: rjwoelk on March 18, 2022, 10:37:37 AM
15 years trucking ,covide headaches  came so decided enough, so called it quite last April. It was too miserable winter this year to be driving anyway.
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Post by: TimW on March 19, 2022, 12:49:46 AM
In 12 days it will be 2 years since I turned a wrench on an airliner.  Haven't missed it at all.  I miss the people I worked with, but not the drive or being on graveyard for 28 years.
 Thank you covid, for the early retirement.

I highly recommend retirement.  It's the only job you can work harder at than you did before and love it.  Long lunches and siesta help.  Waking up without an alarm clock is AWESOME. Setting your own hours is priceless.
hugs,  Brandi
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Post by: GAB on March 19, 2022, 10:02:48 AM
Quote from: Bindian on March 19, 2022, 12:49:46 AM
In 12 days it will be 2 years since I turned a wrench on an airliner.  Haven't missed it at all.  I miss the people I worked with, but not the drive or being on graveyard for 28 years.
Thank you covid, for the early retirement.

I highly recommend retirement.  It's the only job you can work harder at than you did before and love it.  Long lunches and siesta help.  Waking up without an alarm clock is AWESOME. Setting your own hours is priceless.
hugs,  Brandi
Go ahead: Rub it in, Rub it in, Rub it in.
You forgot about being able to turn off the ignition, and go fishing or hunting, or anything else your little heart might desire.
GAB
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Post by: Ljohnsaw on March 19, 2022, 12:15:37 PM
Quote from: GAB on March 19, 2022, 10:02:48 AM
Quote from: Bindian on March 19, 2022, 12:49:46 AM
In 12 days it will be 2 years since I turned a wrench on an airliner.  Haven't missed it at all.  I miss the people I worked with, but not the drive or being on graveyard for 28 years.
Thank you covid, for the early retirement.

I highly recommend retirement.  It's the only job you can work harder at than you did before and love it.  Long lunches and siesta help.  Waking up without an alarm clock is AWESOME. Setting your own hours is priceless.
hugs,  Brandi
Go ahead: Rub it in, Rub it in, Rub it in.
You forgot about being able to turn off the ignition, and go fishing or hunting, or anything else your little heart might desire.
GAB
In June, it will be 9 years for me.  I don't get to go fishing as much as I'd like - got too many other projects going on competing for my time!
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Post by: Dakota on March 19, 2022, 12:38:15 PM
In 12 days it will be 2 years since I turned a wrench on an airliner.  Haven't missed it at all.  I miss the people I worked with, but not the drive or being on graveyard for 28 years.
 Thank you covid, for the early retirement.

I highly recommend retirement.  It's the only job you can work harder at than you did before and love it.  Long lunches and siesta help.  Waking up without an alarm clock is AWESOME. Setting your own hours is priceless.
hugs,  Brandi

All the above X2
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Post by: rusticretreater on March 19, 2022, 12:54:41 PM
I have never been happier in my life since I shucked off the yoke of corporate bondage.  Sure, money is an issue, but freedom to choose what I want to do is surely just compensation.  As another fella has in his signature line, retired and working hard to stay that way.
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Post by: caveman on March 19, 2022, 11:09:11 PM
For those of you too young for medicare and who are retired, what are you doing for health insurance?  I entered DROP (deferred retirement option plan) last month.  I can keep working at my current job for up to five more years, but the biggest concern for me is cost of health insurance. 
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Post by: fluidpowerpro on March 19, 2022, 11:18:01 PM
I get my health insurance through MnSure which is Minnesota's equivalent to Obama Care. Because I have very little income, my premium is very reasonable. I don't feel any guilt. Paid lots of taxes during my working career and for once, a govt program is actually helping me.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 20, 2022, 08:52:19 AM
Quote from: caveman on March 19, 2022, 11:09:11 PM
For those of you too young for medicare and who are retired, what are you doing for health insurance?  I entered DROP (deferred retirement option plan) last month.  I can keep working at my current job for up to five more years, but the biggest concern for me is cost of health insurance.
As a veteran with disabilities that are related to my service (service connected as they call it) I receive full healthcare from the VA.  It's not the greatest but due to some changes between the years of about '16 to '20 I get my care from the 'community' vs the VA facility that's 50 miles away and this helps a LOT.
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Post by: sealark37 on March 20, 2022, 09:11:55 AM
After a few months, you will wonder how you ever had time to go to work.
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Post by: Magicman on March 20, 2022, 07:10:17 PM
I was "downsized" from Ma Bell at age 51 in 1994.  I already had a hobby cabinet shop so doing carpenter work came as a natural.  Hanging rafters alone on a 12/12 pitch made me decide that I was on the wrong end of lumber so I told PatD that I was gonna buy a sawmill.  She asked "with what" and my answer was "I don't know".  She asked "how I intended to pay for it", and my answer was the same; "I don't know".  I had never sawed nor even watched anyone sawing.  As fate would have it, I did find the 'right' sawmill and all of my 'learning' was by the seat of my britches.

OK, my thoughts were that I would saw and sell lumber since I had access to much beetle killed SYP.  That worked well for the first year until I ran out of beetle killed SYP, but by then it had paid for the sawmill.  Also by then I had realized that since I had no shed nor log/lumber handling equipment, I needed to leave the selling behind and only do custom portable sawing.  That was over 18 years and over 2 million bf ago.

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Post by: TimW on March 21, 2022, 11:53:16 PM
Quote from: GAB on March 19, 2022, 10:02:48 AM
Quote from: Bindian on March 19, 2022, 12:49:46 AM
In 12 days it will be 2 years since I turned a wrench on an airliner.  Haven't missed it at all.  I miss the people I worked with, but not the drive or being on graveyard for 28 years.
Thank you covid, for the early retirement.

I highly recommend retirement.  It's the only job you can work harder at than you did before and love it.  Long lunches and siesta help.  Waking up without an alarm clock is AWESOME. Setting your own hours is priceless.
hugs,  Brandi
Go ahead: Rub it in, Rub it in, Rub it in.
You forgot about being able to turn off the ignition, and go fishing or hunting, or anything else your little heart might desire.
GAB
Oh, I used to feed the catfish at 5pm, before getting ready for work.  Now I feed them anytime between 4 and 5.  They sure are getting big. I will try to get photos tomorrow for more rubbing in. :D
hugs,  Brandi
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Post by: TimW on March 21, 2022, 11:56:20 PM
Quote from: ljohnsaw on March 19, 2022, 12:15:37 PM
Quote from: GAB on March 19, 2022, 10:02:48 AM
Quote from: Bindian on March 19, 2022, 12:49:46 AM
In 12 days it will be 2 years since I turned a wrench on an airliner.  Haven't missed it at all.  I miss the people I worked with, but not the drive or being on graveyard for 28 years.
Thank you covid, for the early retirement.

I highly recommend retirement.  It's the only job you can work harder at than you did before and love it.  Long lunches and siesta help.  Waking up without an alarm clock is AWESOME. Setting your own hours is priceless.
hugs,  Brandi
Go ahead: Rub it in, Rub it in, Rub it in.
You forgot about being able to turn off the ignition, and go fishing or hunting, or anything else your little heart might desire.
GAB
In June, it will be 9 years for me.  I don't get to go fishing as much as I'd like - got too many other projects going on competing for my time!
I got so many projects planned, I dream about the current project.  Folks shake their head at me saying I need to relax.  They can't understand me doing projects or sawing is relaxing. 
                 hugs,  Brandi
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Post by: TimW on March 21, 2022, 11:58:44 PM
Quote from: caveman on March 19, 2022, 11:09:11 PM
For those of you too young for medicare and who are retired, what are you doing for health insurance?  I entered DROP (deferred retirement option plan) last month.  I can keep working at my current job for up to five more years, but the biggest concern for me is cost of health insurance.
Medishare.  $320 a month, but a $12,000 deductible.
hugs,  Brandi
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Post by: TimW on March 22, 2022, 12:02:28 AM
Another bonus of retirement was the end of my stomach problems.  I called it Hobbyitis, since I worked at Hobby Airport.
   hugs, Brandi
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 25, 2022, 03:57:20 PM
Had some delays :(  Now I likely won't leave before the middle of April and possibly a little later but expect to leave sometime in April which is important as I have a big job with about 80 logs to mill on or about the last week of April :P

I'm pretty much booked for April and May now so I better quit this day job thing soon! lol
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 02, 2022, 10:11:05 AM
Almost there!  I am hoping I can make the final notification on the 11th but we shall see! 

Meanwhile, I made this video because I've been pondering this question a lot!
Hobby or Production Sawyer? - What's the difference? - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEVf3hG7GlY)

One note:  I know a lot of guys say to mill from the small end, and I used to, but I find the big end first gives me a better view of the throat and if I'll make it without stuffing the log over more ;)

Also, finally got my hook from Peavy to attach to the choker chain to roll bigger logs  8)
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 14, 2022, 09:13:30 AM
 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

Yeehaw!  Next Friday is my last day!  (I turned in my resignation Monday and forgot to let y'all know!).

MM, Jake and all those out east I'm envious!  I saw Nathan's vid of a BBQ in GA and was jealous!  And holy maceral!  Jake that's one impressive layout....like seriously industrial setup!  I guess I hadn't realized just how big your setup is!

It's funny, a mobile guy like me (and guys like MM I'm guessing) just have the mill, a truck, maybe a camper and a bunch of tools and hit the road almost all of the time....and then there are the seriously big operations using the same mills (ok, LT70's mostly but still WM's and other top brands) and running major operations (Peter et al).

Pretty cool to see and I'd love to make it out some day though I'll be honest, MM is on the list at the top of guys I'd like to spend a day with running a mill (but then who wouldn't right? lol).

Anyway, it's official!  I'm leaving the day job (which is a large part of my absence from here and elsewhere lately) and will run my mill part time (ish), more if this busted up old jarhead's body will allow it LOL and maybe do a few more of the things I WANT to do vs what I have to ;)

Cheers
Erik 'The Old Jarhead' McVay
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Post by: Magicman on April 14, 2022, 09:33:31 AM
Congrats Erik, and your description is correct.  My entire log handling equipment inventory is in the back of my truck.
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Post by: Crossroads on April 14, 2022, 09:48:02 AM
Congratulations Erik! I left my day job on 4/2/21 and have no regrets. I'm attempting to combine both worlds, mobile and stationary. There are several reasons 1) I get snow bound for about 3 month 2) I have the equipment and 20 acres, I might as well use it 3) I make a little more money selling custom cut lumber than I do running mobile. 
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 14, 2022, 11:26:21 AM
I have thought about milling at my place that's a 1/2 acre but don't really want the mess.  My 20acres is too remote for it
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Post by: Resonator on April 14, 2022, 08:19:43 PM
Congrats! 8)

I quit my day job in 2018, it's been a rocky road, but I still love being my own boss and the freedom I have. Along with sawing, there is some money to be made in making custom value added projects. Especially if you can provide something they can't buy elsewhere. smiley_thumbsup
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 21, 2022, 07:24:10 PM
 8) 8) 8) 8)

Parked my work truck at the shop and left it :D  I leave my phone and laptop tomorrow :D

Yeeha!  Time to get milling! :D
Re-sawing a D-Log and milling pine | Wood Mizer Lt40 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inXzT4PJSAk)

I head out tomorrow to run the mill this weekend, then leave Wednesday for a 4 day job :)  I'm milling as couple jobs in May and 3 in June :D  hoping to not run the mill in July or August unless high up in the hills with no fires anywhere around!

Here's hoping the semi-retirement goes even close to as planned :D
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Post by: KenMac on April 21, 2022, 08:12:36 PM
I'm betting that you'll find that retirement is the best invention man has ever made!! That is my opinion anyway. 8)
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 23, 2022, 11:31:14 PM
2007bf of 1x8x8s today.   Was a good day of mling!
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 25, 2022, 09:52:50 AM
I have to do the math still LOL as the customer was loading lumber on the semi before I could finish verifying my counts!  Luckily I mark day one with a red crayon and day two with a different color (black this time) and charge by the hour not BF so it doesn't make a difference that way.  I think I broke 4Mbf for the 13hrs of milling though and since it was 90% 1x's I'm pretty happy with that :D  Those of-bearers were the very best I've ever had and the skid steer was shoveling logs at me as fast as I could load them!  Woot!  8) 8) Now THAT makes for some good production!

Celebrating my semi-retirement with a weekend of milling was frankly just what the old jarhead needed :D :D  ;D  And THIS TIME I took pics! (not just video)! :D

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_6925.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1650894095)

Kick the dust up!
 
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Now that's a way to load the logs!

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These guys had all the toys!

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Making yards of sawdust

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Logs logs and more logs -- keep 'em comin!
 

First day, 2007bf in 7hrs :D
 
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Finished at over 4200bf in 13hrs (4245bf by my count and 320bf/hr)
 
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Had some of the best off-bearers EVER on this job, man they were super fast!
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Post by: Magicman on April 25, 2022, 11:01:15 AM
I realize that every market is different but did you do the math on bf rate vs hourly rate?   :P

They should be virtually the same. 
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 25, 2022, 11:39:00 AM
Quote from: Magicman on March 20, 2022, 07:10:17 PM
I was "downsized" from Ma Bell at age 51 in 1994.  I already had a hobby cabinet shop so doing carpenter work came as a natural.  Hanging rafters alone on a 12/12 pitch made me decide that I was on the wrong end of lumber so I told PatD that I was gonna buy a sawmill.  She asked "with what" and my answer was "I don't know".  She asked "how I intended to pay for it", and my answer was the same; "I don't know".  I had never sawed nor even watched anyone sawing.  As fate would have it, I did find the 'right' sawmill and all of my 'learning' was by the seat of my britches.

OK, my thoughts were that I would saw and sell lumber since I had access to much beetle killed SYP.  That worked well for the first year until I ran out of beetle killed SYP, but by then it had paid for the sawmill.  Also by then I had realized that since I had no shed nor log/lumber handling equipment, I needed to leave the selling behind and only do custom portable sawing.  That was over 18 years and over 2 million bf ago.
You are my inspiration!  Not sure you saw any of my videos this year but you're mentioned a few times ;)  I thought of doing one on FF for that reason.  What I do and what I know is in large part due to this forum and you, Doc, Peter, Jake and so many others!  (too many to mention here!!!!).  You guys are so awesome!  I wouldn't be making sawdust the way I do without your inspiration!
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 25, 2022, 11:42:23 AM
Quote from: Magicman on April 25, 2022, 11:01:15 AM
I realize that every market is different but did you do the math on bf rate vs hourly rate?   :P

They should be virtually the same.
Yup, $400/mbf is what it totaled.  I know many charge more than that (I've been told anywhere from $500 to $1000/Mbf these days but I figure $400/Mbf when driving as much as I do is a fair price considering.  Some jobs I do $270 or even lower but mostly it's hard to get good production rates on remote locations with help that is, well, not as fast as this weekends!
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Post by: Magicman on April 25, 2022, 04:23:19 PM
I have recently raised my bf rate to $400Mbf and I have an idea that the other nearby sawyers have too, but I have never asked them about their sawing rate.  I almost never saw hourly rate because when I quote the hourly equivalent of my bf rate their eyes :o. 

Ironically when I started sawing 20 years ago my sawing rate was $200Mbf.  Everything else has much more than doubled in 20 years.  Sure, I could push my bf rate but I am not.
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 25, 2022, 08:00:00 PM
 
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I love it when a plan comes together :D  I'd say I nailed it :D
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 06, 2022, 08:13:49 AM
 
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Off to the races!  167 miles to my next milling job (not even a long one LOL ) outside of Leavenworth WA.  This one looks to be 8-12hrs of milling and we'll leave tonight after Darci gets off work and drive to about half way where we'll camp out in a state park for the night.  Then we'll get cracking in the AM and keep on trucking.  Should arrive onsite about 10am giving me time to set up and get organized before the customer shows up (he works long shifts and won't be there until noon).

With luck we can knock it all out and be back on the road by 2 or 3pm the next day.  Then the next weekend I head over 250 miles to my next job for another 12hrs of milling or so before spinning around and returning home.  After that I had a weekend off except for an event with the WSU Forester in Walla Walla (gotta check on that) but have a customer wanting me to fit him in before Memorial....and he keeps losing help so we keep pushing it.

Busy start to the year of milling!
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Post by: Ljohnsaw on May 06, 2022, 10:10:44 AM
OJH,
Do you charge a mileage rate or just hourly as you are driving?  Seems like you'd have to charge a minimum of $2/mile each way just to break even on fuel let alone the wear and tear on you're vehicles.
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 06, 2022, 11:30:18 AM
Quote from: ljohnsaw on May 06, 2022, 10:10:44 AM
OJH,
Do you charge a mileage rate or just hourly as you are driving?  Seems like you'd have to charge a minimum of $2/mile each way just to break even on fuel let alone the wear and tear on you're vehicles.
I charge a mileage fee of $1/mile each way.  It's actually not too bad as with diesel at $5.45/gallon here I will use about 40 gallons which runs $218 for the round trip.  I'll make $334 on mileage fees plus $100 setup/delivery fee so that will cover my fuel and maintenance costs more or less.  Doesn't really cover my time to drive but it's a selling point I suppose.  Though customers, I think anyway, don't view that as 'working time' but seem to accept that I have to pay for fuel, maintenance and my time to deliver the mill.
I then charge $100/hr regardless of what I'm milling or how much I will (too many variables in what I do -- remote portable milling) which makes it worth my time.  
If of course, fuel continues to climb my rates are subject to change!
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 06, 2022, 11:45:06 PM
 
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Camped out for the night at a state park.  It's free for me so kinda nice!  We hut the road early to head to the job site another 89 miles down the road
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 06, 2022, 11:46:06 PM
Camped out for the night before our next milling gig! #shorts - YouTube (https://youtube.com/shorts/55C3dLt2lkg?feature=share)
Here a look
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 08, 2022, 09:29:36 AM
Arrived before noon, got setup and started milling at 1:15p.  Finished for the day at 6p and over 1200bf later.  Not the best production but then quarter sawing a 32 inch Doug Fir slowed me down
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Post by: Peter Drouin on May 08, 2022, 10:03:39 PM
Good job, You go farther than I ever did when I was on the road.
50 miles is all I would go. 
But you and MM can have it.  ;) Now I go 100 yards to mill. ;D
Best of luck. 8)
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 08, 2022, 11:54:18 PM
Thanks!  250+ miles next weekend! 
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Tha was insanely steep!  .use have. even over 15* but we nade it!
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 08, 2022, 11:57:58 PM
 
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1200bf in full dimension 2x12s and over 1200bf of full 1x's plus 2x4s and some live edge stuff.  Quarter sawed up a 32"×16' Doug Fir and a 39"×10' Doug Fir all into 1xs...these folks worked HARD this weekend! 
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 09, 2022, 09:05:06 AM
Off-bearing lumber, can Gen Z keep up? [YES!] - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjguPYeHzGU)
Wow!  I took the time to give a big shout out to my off-bearers on a previous job and the video is rocking!

But then, these kids were rocking so cool beans!  8)
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Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 09, 2022, 09:39:37 AM
That was a great video and a service to anyone who goes portable. If I were routinely doing portable work I would send that link to each of my clients in advance of my arrival.
 The only thing that could be better than this is an actual training video for tail-gunners but that would be a lot of work for somebody with skills.
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Post by: Ljohnsaw on May 09, 2022, 10:02:36 AM
I'm sure they felt it the next morning!  Any particular reason they didn't stack the waste slabs on the arm and then use the skid steer to haul?  It's great that they kept you in the wood full time but I see a lot of extras steps (footsteps) that I don't do when there is MHE available.
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 09, 2022, 10:09:22 AM
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on May 09, 2022, 09:39:37 AM
That was a great video and a service to anyone who goes portable. If I were routinely doing portable work I would send that link to each of my clients in advance of my arrival.
The only thing that could be better than this is an actual training video for tail-gunners but that would be a lot of work for somebody with skills.
Thanks!  I'm always trying to come up with new ways to show folks how to do this to improve the overall experience and production once I arrive :D
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 09, 2022, 10:40:21 AM
Quote from: ljohnsaw on May 09, 2022, 10:02:36 AM
I'm sure they felt it the next morning!  Any particular reason they didn't stack the waste slabs on the arm and then use the skid steer to haul?  It's great that they kept you in the wood full time but I see a lot of extras steps (footsteps) that I don't do when there is MHE available.
Honestly, that could have been done but the skid steer operator was always over bucking logs and prepping them, loading one up and standing by to get the logs to the mill...so it's a wash.  Though I'm sure you're right, he could likely have done that and hauled off the flitches etc....they put them in stacks they could sort and we edged a fair bit of them later.
Now the crew this weekend is feeling it more LOL  25 2x12x20's all full dimension milled out of dripping wet Doug Fir....and then the 2x4's and 1x's...about 3600bf of the stuff and even I'm sore! lol
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 13, 2022, 08:52:11 AM
Well this will be an interesting week!

I head out today to drive 146 miles north to a customer near Spokane...mill a couple days there and then head north to the Canadian border (darn near) in Idaho (another114 miles).  Once done all the milling I will return sometime later in the week (next) and drive a good 253 miles to get home!  Over 500 miles.

Going to be interesting and the first time I've combined two customers into one trip (which saves the further customer some mileage costs).

I've been told a few times now that no one wants to tow their mills anywhere so people are willing to pay the mileage to have me come out (can't complain  8))

My wife thinks I'm crazy and should be taking a break between gigs and I don't totally disagree  LOL but this weekends was a goof on my part.  Two customers, who somehow got crossed up in my calendar wanted me and one was flexible so I've made it work.

I return to scoot out that Saturday or Sunday to mill 50 miles from home for a few days and then get a break for a week or two.....sure hope my bands come back.
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Post by: beenthere on May 13, 2022, 11:19:40 AM
You are a marine, you can do it. Hang in there. 
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on May 13, 2022, 10:01:46 PM
   Eric, good to see the posts here. Any issues with crossing the state line into Idaho? I am close to the Va line and have had customers come over and buy from me but I have not traveled there yet. I am only licensed here in WV and not familiar with the sales tax laws and such there. Not saying I would not go but I'd rather stay here in WV.  Stay safe. Semper Fi.
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 14, 2022, 11:25:45 PM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on May 13, 2022, 10:01:46 PM
  Eric, good to see the posts here. Any issues with crossing the state line into Idaho? I am close to the Va line and have had customers come over and buy from me but I have not traveled there yet. I am only licensed here in WV and not familiar with the sales tax laws and such there. Not saying I would not go but I'd rather stay here in WV.  Stay safe. Semper Fi.
Thanks bud!  Good to be back milling and to have the time to post! 
Idaho only requires a state license if you do over a certain amount of business which I won't, so no worries!
Finished up the 1st job today.  About 3100bf but lost count at over 2700 because they were hauling it off faster than I could count it lol
Good thing I'm hourly!
Off to North Idaho tomorrow!
The Old Jarheads Sawdust Roadshow continues!
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 15, 2022, 08:44:52 AM
 
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Good Morning!  This guy was here all weekend at the jobsite and decided to be my alarm clock at 4am lol
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Post by: Andries on May 15, 2022, 09:26:46 AM
Great photos, and a very colourful bird.
My alarm clock was a ruffed grouse drumming at four in the morning.
These bad boys must be thinking that "the early bird gets the girl".
Nice thread about your good times milling on the road.
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on May 15, 2022, 10:21:01 AM
   Remember "The early bird may get the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese." (Credit - Larry the Cable Guy.)
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Post by: Crossroads on May 15, 2022, 11:09:12 AM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on May 15, 2022, 10:21:01 AM
  Remember "The early bird may get the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese." (Credit - Larry the Cable Guy.)
I bout spit my coffee 
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Post by: Walnut Beast on May 15, 2022, 12:50:16 PM
Awesome pictures 👍
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 15, 2022, 11:47:54 PM
 
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Post by: Nebraska on May 16, 2022, 07:34:42 AM
Very nice. 
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 16, 2022, 08:33:20 AM
As a future customer called it my "sawdust roadshow" continues today in Northen Idaho.   Milled 708bf of logs (scale not output) in 2.5 hrs after arriving from Spokane where I was milling previously.

Going to try to finish up the rest today so I can head home in the AM after 6 days on the road!

Sawdust roadshow indeed!
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Post by: Crusarius on May 16, 2022, 09:20:49 AM
Watch that last step.... its a doozy :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 16, 2022, 09:38:52 AM
 
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indeed!  but the view!
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 16, 2022, 09:40:43 AM
2000bf of logs today.  what will I do this afternoon! lol
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Post by: Crusarius on May 16, 2022, 10:01:40 AM
oh good, you got back up :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 16, 2022, 03:22:53 PM
lol feeling after milling these monster slabs!
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 10 feet x 2 1/2"x 22 to 26" at the small end and 27" at the big end!  Whew had to run it over the stops!  didn't hold on the last cut but worked it out!  4 degree bands seem best on these monster slabs!
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 16, 2022, 08:58:34 PM
Hmmmm seems the idle bandwheel bearing is gone.  590hrs...seems a little early???
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 16, 2022, 11:27:43 PM
ordered a new one...56 buck so not bad.  got a few other items
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on May 17, 2022, 10:21:32 AM
   Sounds like they must have gone up. Mine went out and I had the WM service loop scheduled to visit the next day and he replaced both for $20 which I felt was a bargain as I could not have driven to town and back for that. Labor was included as part of the normal service so I was happy. You are probably running a bigger mill and different bearing. Sorry for the hiccup. Hope you are back running on all 8 cylinders real soon.
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 17, 2022, 04:08:25 PM
Just a little bigger!  An LT40 Hydraulic with the 26hp Kholer
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on May 17, 2022, 04:25:01 PM
  I'd be surprised if they used a different idler system since it sounds like we are both running the same bands.
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 17, 2022, 06:56:58 PM
same bands as the lt15 too.  Not sure if the bandwheels are different but I doubt it
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 01, 2022, 09:36:05 AM
Howdy all!

On my last job my bandwheel bearing on the idle side went out (howling like a bandshee) and so I had to order a new one and get the wheel off etc etc...meanwhile the back went kaput (I have some back problems and this time it was back to square one -- as in sit your butt down and wait it out) so we did a cabin trip (with good meds to keep me mostly upright when I needed to be) and have been waiting out the storm LOL

Customer sent me these pics though!  Pretty nice job they did stacking and stickering this batch.

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I've also been working on my videos and the latest is doing well -- perhaps because of all my goofs and gafs in it (not just a band break video LOL)....
What a band break looks like! [Wood Mizer Lt40] - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSnFh6ngx_M)

With luck I'll be back milling soon!  I need to get the bandwheel back on and do some other maintenance and have two jobs next week but I fear I may have to put them off!!!  Maybe Crossroads can do one if he's willing to travel to Colville?

Anyhow!  I'm off to meet the DNR and hobble around looking at what I need to fall and clear for fire protection in hopes I can be ambulatory again soon and at least able to wield a chainsaw and run the mill!

Wish me luck!
Erik 'The Old Jarhead' McVay
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 04, 2022, 07:54:59 PM
Well crap!  Seems I may have blown a disc :(  May not be milling a while
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Post by: beenthere on June 04, 2022, 08:46:39 PM
That's not good. Sorry to hear it. 
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Post by: Jim_Rogers on June 04, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Get well soon.

Jim Rogers
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Post by: Crossroads on June 05, 2022, 12:06:53 AM
Enjoy the slack time and get healthy. 
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Post by: Nebraska on June 05, 2022, 10:09:47 AM
Eric I have done that twice and it sucks. Hang in there.
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 05, 2022, 02:00:49 PM
Thanks all!  Crossroads offered to come help me put the mill back together!  Thanks!  Might have to take you up on it but we'll provide food!

Am hoping for a speedy recovery!
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Post by: Crossroads on June 06, 2022, 08:53:23 AM
Your very welcome, I like food 😁
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 06, 2022, 08:18:56 PM
Quote from: Crossroads on June 06, 2022, 08:53:23 AM
Your very welcome, I like food 😁
We will do something soon!  Back is slightly better so I put the bandwheel back on!
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Post by: Crossroads on June 06, 2022, 11:17:55 PM
Good deal, glad your feeling better. Be careful.....
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Post by: TimW on June 07, 2022, 01:09:10 AM
So sorry to hear that.  Hope you are chasing more sawdust soon!
      hugs,  Brandi
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 07, 2022, 02:43:18 PM
Thanks!

I have a date with one English Walnut log tomorrow.  It's small and should be a good test of how things are going.  
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 24, 2022, 09:23:53 AM
Flooding on the Yakima river had us hold off that log.  Not sure when I will get back.

With luck and a happy mill (feed problem again) I will be back milling next week.  

Should be busy for the next few if all goes well then it's fire season and I don't mill much then.
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 05, 2022, 06:08:33 PM
 
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Still at it!  Milled up some black locust despite some hickups!(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20220629_103841.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1657058876)
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Post by: KenMac on July 05, 2022, 08:55:22 PM
Just an observation here, but where did you find any logs there? Looks like endless open land to me. ??? ???
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 05, 2022, 10:58:21 PM
He found them in nearby towns ;)
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 06, 2022, 10:15:17 PM
On the road again...

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After replacing the rear control board due to a feed issue (video in the near future) I finally got my truck back from the shop and hit the road for a ten day sawdust roadshow.
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 14, 2022, 06:48:21 PM
Yeehaw!  Old Jarheads Sawdust Roadshowis done for this month!  700+ miles and 8000+ board feet done.

Glad ti be home!

These pics were the last location up in the North Idaho mountains and it was just awesome with a fantastic customer!  Funny thing, we worked in the same industry with the same poeple and had a grand time!
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Post by: Crossroads on July 14, 2022, 08:56:53 PM
Looks good my friend, I just got back from the McCall area. Finished what was scheduled for 4 days in 3 days. Was at this same site in October for 4 1/2 days and will probably be going back next year. Even got to go scouting for elk 2 evenings where I'll be hunting this fall 
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 14, 2022, 10:48:14 PM
Awesome!  I had no energy to do much but have a drink and go to bed early ;)

I have. o plans to mill for the next 6 weeks so maybe I can make that trek for a burger with ya!
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Post by: Crossroads on July 14, 2022, 11:01:07 PM
That would be great, I've been moving a lot of dirt getting ready for the new milling shed. Hopefully after tomorrow I'll be able to layout where the building will be. I'm booked through august during the week, but Saturday is usually a good day or Sunday afternoon. 
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Post by: Peter Drouin on July 14, 2022, 11:02:23 PM
Get well soon. And the best of luck. :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 14, 2022, 11:18:48 PM
Thanks Peter, though other than back problems I always try to take the hottest and coldest part if the year off ;)  Just too beat up to keep at it all year ;)

Kevin I will try to sneak off that way in a week or two uess you will be milling closer to my way then maybe I could come out and visit on a job if you wouldn't mind it.  Could be fun to video it!

Erik
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Post by: Crossroads on July 18, 2022, 12:45:20 AM
I don't have anything scheduled out your way. I've been breaking ground getting ready for my sawmill building. I had a cancellation for Wednesday, so I hope to finish pushing dirt and lay out the building. 
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 20, 2022, 08:56:35 AM
Jeep through another dreaded PO6DD code and went into limp mode last night.  I cleared the code but am wondering if I might want to take a much closer look at the issue.  It's likely a wiring issue (the code is for the high pressure circuit on the oil pump being stuck off) or the sensor as usually I can clear it and it will operate just fine for 2 or 3 thousand miles....then usually comes back.  First time it was suggested it might just be the oil filter, changed it out with fresh oil and code was gone for maybe 5k miles...then came back...cleared, changed oil etc...3k miles later, codes back etc.

Anyway, the point!  I planned on heading your way soon but need to sort out this darn code first I think rather than get stranded somewhere in limp mode ;)  But I'll make it that way soon!
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Post by: terrifictimbersllc on July 20, 2022, 10:34:26 AM
OJH what vehicle is doing this-you write Jeep in your post (?).
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Post by: beenthere on July 20, 2022, 12:13:06 PM
I read it as "Jeep threw another code..."
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 21, 2022, 12:00:34 AM
yes, threw...strange it came out as through.

My Jeep Wrangler Rubicon ;)
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 26, 2022, 08:04:48 AM
Inosculation?  I learned a new word!  I've seen this a couple times and each time I'm just amazed at it:
Mystery of an Unusual Maple on the Wood Mizer LT40 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv1gwUyOEwg)

What amazes me the most is that the tree in the middle is cut off flat (2nd time I've see this) and it's about 3 or 4 inches across...and fully absorbed!.

On a side note, we stopped by Wood Mizer Oregon back in June and my wife was admiring the jacket the gal up front was wearing.  I asked about it to see if I could get one because I hadn't looked on the website in a while....got home and saw them on the site and was thinking of getting one for the wife since she really liked it....then a box arrived unexpectedly from Wood Mizer....I thought "Hmmm I didn't order any more parts!"....yup, Wood Mizer Oregon, you are the best!  My wife is so happy!  She's over the moon!  THANKS!  You made her day!
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Post by: Crossroads on July 26, 2022, 08:39:43 AM
That's cool! Rob typically makes sure I leave with a new hat when I stop in, but I have been known to drop off smoked cheese. 
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on July 26, 2022, 09:02:46 AM
Eric,

   Nice vid. 

   BTW, this is the first time I noticed your extra pair of side supports are not connected to the main pair. I saw you raise them by hand. Mine are connected by a pair of rods so they all raise and lower automatically when I toggle the lever. Is that an option for yours? Looks to me like that might save you a few steps now and then plus I have the knowledge/confidence if my blade clears the first one it will clear the rest.

   I love the extra side supports. They are sure handy when sawing short (<8') logs. I am surprised WM does not make them a standard feature on all their mills and has not come up with a similar arrangement for their mills with the vertical side supports like the LT50 and such.
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 26, 2022, 01:25:42 PM
Thanks :D

I've been asked that before and it was an option when I bought the mill in '16 but I was cheap ;) (trying to keep the cost of the mill down)....I've been told they aren't hard to install and I need to see if I can order a set of the arms!
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Post by: Magicman on July 26, 2022, 09:16:22 PM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on July 26, 2022, 09:02:46 AMI am surprised WM does not make them a standard feature on all their mills
The 4 powered side supports are standard on the LT40 SuperHydraulic.t

The kit is about $475 plus tax & shipping.  I considered adding it to mine last month but I do not saw enough short stuff to justify the cost.
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on July 26, 2022, 09:23:53 PM
   Yeah, and since you are slowing down anyway... :D
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 26, 2022, 09:44:47 PM
ouch, that's spendy
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Post by: Crossroads on July 27, 2022, 12:00:12 AM
I had them all 4 powered when I bought mine in 2017 and I'm glad I did. Worth every penny in my opinion. 
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Post by: Magicman on July 27, 2022, 06:52:46 AM
I was sorta doing mostly clean up and sawing the shorts on the Cypress job yesterday afternoon and I quickly grew weary of constantly moving the manual side supports up and down.

MMmmmm......
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 27, 2022, 08:24:27 AM
Yup, those short logs will do that to you!  My latest video is about a particularly vicious little black locust that not only was a bear to turn (we could move it down the deck to a better position easily either though I could have grabbed a chain I guess, but I was being stubborn) but also managed to get hung up on the side supports and never be in a good place for the hydraulic ones...wait, I've been there before too many times LOL

Oh and the video also contains some trouble!  My rear control panel was frapped but the mill kept sawing for another 8 or 10 hours...then however, I had to replace the panel right before leaving on a 9 day, 750+ mile roadshow...luckily my repairs worked ;)
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on July 27, 2022, 08:54:53 AM
   I went back and looked at my original receipt (I keep everything) and my side extra supports with installation when purchased 7 years ago were $149. They have been worth that many, many times over. Even at current, add-on prices I think I'd be wanting them.

   I think of my short benches (30"-6' typically) that I make by turning them upside down on the mill bed, clamping against these short side supports and sawing so all legs are the same angle and height.
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Post by: Magicman on July 27, 2022, 05:07:40 PM
I bit the bullet and it's on the way.  ::)  $500 to my door.  :o
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Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 27, 2022, 05:27:56 PM
We want pictures when you put it on MM. I wonder if this is available for the LT50?
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Post by: Magicman on July 27, 2022, 05:35:57 PM
No, that would not work on the LT50.  It's vertical and the LT40 is swing up.

There is gonna be a serious drawback with the 4 because that is two more things to catch an odd limb/knot when you let it down for sawing.  :-X

I have debated with myself whether to or not, and I will probably regret doing it.
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on July 27, 2022, 06:22:34 PM
  I bet you a big bowl of grits you don't regret it! ;)
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Post by: terrifictimbersllc on July 27, 2022, 06:29:48 PM
 Think of it as lifting middle fingers to short logs.   :D
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Post by: Magicman on July 27, 2022, 09:19:24 PM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on July 27, 2022, 06:22:34 PMI bet you a big bowl of grits you don't regret it!
Well I will see your bowl of Grits and have already raised the pot $500.  ;D
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 27, 2022, 09:35:48 PM
Hmmm the knot hangups vs the freedom from walking back and forth?  And added yank point for the chain to drag logs that don't wanna move o. the rollers ;)
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Post by: Magicman on July 27, 2022, 09:59:19 PM
Good points Erik.  Are you a side support salesman on the side??  :D
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 27, 2022, 10:17:59 PM
Nope! lol but I do a lot if free advertising for Wood-Mizer so maybe I am 
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Post by: Crossroads on July 27, 2022, 10:30:23 PM
I typically hook a knot at least once a day while letting them down. Most of the time I can pick the log up with the clamp and swing it out of the way enough to set the side supports where I want them. Not really a big deal since I already have ahold of the hydraulic controls anyway. Stopping to walk around and set them manually would be irritating for sure. 
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on July 28, 2022, 09:06:15 AM
   Don't worry guys. The MM mostly saws peeled southern yellow pine logs that are smooth as a baby's behind and has always said his biggest problem is they are so slick if he doesn't set the mill up perfectly level they slide off the rails before he can get them clamped. :D Okay, I know once in a while some miscreant sneaks a gnarly old oak or sweetgum in the mix.

   If the customer has the logs properly prepped hanging on a knot is not usually much of a problem.

   And remember - the MM is mostly riding back and forth so walking to the spot is not usually going to be much of a problem. ;) As X-roads mentions it is usually pretty quick and easy to move  the log/cant away with the clamp if you do hit a wayward knot.
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Post by: doc henderson on July 28, 2022, 09:35:25 AM
have already raised the pot 500 bucks?    :)   did you order from Erik?   :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 28, 2022, 12:38:33 PM
I think he ordered two, one secretly for me since I'm such a nice guy! 
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Post by: Magicman on July 28, 2022, 01:34:54 PM
They did not have but one kit on the shelf so I ordered quickly to prevent Erik from blindsiding me.  ;D

I talked to Bob about a month ago and he told me then that there was one in stock.  I backed out then but I went ahead and gave Doug the order yesterday.  You guys are good at spending someone else's $$.

Actually this fits nicely with my plans to not saw for the next couple of weeks.  I'm trying to do what I said that I needed to do and slow down.
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Post by: doc henderson on July 28, 2022, 03:27:20 PM
what I hear is you are buying more equipment to be more efficient!  he who dies with the most toys wins, my grandmother always said.  and the only difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.
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Post by: Hilltop366 on July 28, 2022, 04:53:15 PM
Quote from: doc henderson on July 28, 2022, 03:27:20 PMhe who dies with the most toys winds


Because your so poor from buying all the toys you can only afford beans! ;)

(sorry had to be done)
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Post by: doc henderson on July 28, 2022, 08:14:07 PM
...wind...s... 8)   :D :D :D as in breaking.  got it! :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 28, 2022, 08:43:04 PM
I see 'wind' and think "oh crazy, I'm eating sawdust"
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Post by: Crossroads on July 28, 2022, 11:42:55 PM
One of these days I'll learn to check the wind before I set up. Not like it will make a difference, I typically have but one place to set up 🙈
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 29, 2022, 08:06:02 AM
Oh man, that's one area I have little control over :(  Customer decks the logs, I roll up and hope the wind will be kind...and usually it's not :P

I was down in Pendleton in late June and had my umbrella out.  It was awesome!  Until it became a sale in a sudden gust of wind and inverted!  GRRRRR  I got it sorta fix and finished out the day (90F out and no shade anywhere)....but on day two I could not use it, it had come completely apart :(

I think it was too big though.  It was a ten footer my wife got me, with a knuckle in the middle so I could tilt it but it was a big heavy sail...time to go back to an 8 footer and hope it doesn't do that as well  (or learn to take it down in the wind)...

Good times - oh and the first of a few wind gusts taking out my umbrella will be in todays video ;) along with the 6 year old who dearly wanted to off-bear with his dad and learned the hydraulics by watching me and reading the symbols on the box...and then ran them for me like a pro! (OK I'll admit it, I'm a sucker for kids wanting to learn)
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 29, 2022, 04:16:39 PM
This video was really fun to make!  I decided to Premier it and will be in the chat at 3pm Pacific Time (6pm Eastern) for those interested!

And yes, that's a 6 year old (barely) running the hydraulics for me!  Yeeha!  Start 'em young :)
Black Locust Logs Into Lumber on the Wood Mizer LT40 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yC4S8Af5BY)
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 29, 2022, 06:26:44 PM
That was too much fun!  8) 8) 8)

Had a great time chatting with folks while this premiere ran!  Woot!
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Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 29, 2022, 06:35:55 PM
I enjoyed it. Thanks!
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 29, 2022, 07:02:46 PM
Hey Tom!  Didn't realize you were FF member when in the chat!  Thanks joining us.  was a fun way to kick off the weekend and how about that kid!
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Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 29, 2022, 07:09:25 PM
I'm telling ya, find a way to get him on the payroll!
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 29, 2022, 07:15:47 PM
Right!?  He'd pass up Peter and MM by the time he's 9! ha!
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 01, 2022, 08:19:50 PM
I used to post a lot of pics but now I just do video;)  So here us another from my black locust job ;)
Milling Ugly Black Locust on the Wood Mizer LT40 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/QtgwIYeZjF8)

That log wasn't the best and once we got into it we realized it would make better firewood lol
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 02, 2022, 08:36:54 AM
One of you recent asked where I post my videos ;)  SO here's my shameless plug ;) :P
The Old Jarhead - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/c/TheOldJarhead)

That's my YouTube channel.  What you will find is that I am honest (some say brutally) about milling and what I do.  I don't hold back and hide mistakes or goof ups!  If I screw up and split the pith (which I am always saying not too do I won't hide it.  I make mistakes and I show them.  I fight with logs, I fall down (yup -- tumbled and rolled with the mill on the way back once and it's in there), let a customer try to push the head back (not intentionally) and the band came off, hit the reverse with the band engaged and lost that band and bandwheel belt etc etc etc -- my wife calls it "sawmilling, it isn't all perfect"...and some have said they like my channel because I'm not hiding stuff and only mill the nicest logs I can find...nope!  I mill crap too! :D  LOL

So, feel free to check it out and of course, I appreciate everyone that does, specially those who subscribe! ;)

I also plug FF often on my channel because if it were not for you all here I'd not have learned how to do what I do and I still learn from you all the time!  Oh and I mention some of you once in a while ;) but you'd have to watch to hear that ;) (MM I think I've mentioned you a few times ;))
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 03, 2022, 06:30:15 PM
There's Value in Milling Small Lumber - Portable Sawmill In Action - YouTube (https://youtu.be/8a9mv3mKTkw)
What out!  I might git yer hands!

So, is it worth milling small logs?
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 05, 2022, 06:16:45 PM
A new one for you all today :D  Happy Friday!
Milling Black Locust Wood to Make Flooring [Wood Mizer LT40] - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izN9g11aBl4)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 08, 2022, 05:54:45 PM
I'm probably just crazy ha!
IS IT POSSIBLE TO MILL THIS LOG? Watch the Wood Mizer LT40 in Action - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP7gE_Q9uI4)
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Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 08, 2022, 06:43:46 PM
RE: the yoga pant: Just say "NO". I left my other comments on your channel. Nicely done. I dislike like ugly logs, but you forget about how ugly and how long they took when you see the stacked lumber. :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 08, 2022, 06:47:38 PM
LOL it is a running joke with a few of us ;)  YH included!  But don't worry, I'll not be donning anything skin tight!

And yes, those logs always make me cringe!  I always worry I'll drop one off the wrong side or get stuck trying to rotate it etc etc etc....and then there are nails, dirt and rocks!  Sheesh!

However, I'll be back to this spot in October when the weather is cooler!  2 to 3 days of milling black locust might not be too fun LOL but I'll get it done for him anyway and this time I'll have the camper on site so no more driving to and from the job site afterwards!  I'll be able to just relax and enjoy the down time ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 10, 2022, 06:35:37 PM
HOW TO REPLACE A BAD CONTROL PANEL [Wood Mizer LT40] - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CasbATDRC7c)

That was fun ;)
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 11, 2022, 10:43:47 AM
LogRite the toughest CANT hook! #shorts #woodmizer #sawmill #logrite - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tj8ayVrQpfw)
I just had to do this one today  8)

Thanks to FF and @logriteofficial (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=55535)  I've moved a LOT of logs with this little beast of a cant hook (of course you all have too since the idea for it came from here I believe)...I've had mine for ten years (maybe more, I'd have to check) and saw a post about using them on FB and decided to do this one just for fun :D
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Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 11, 2022, 05:13:16 PM
@Tam-i-am (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=1461) will have to see this one, maybe they will put it up on their page. I have 3 of their hooks, and the mill special is the next one on my list.
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 12, 2022, 06:29:56 PM
Today's video :)  Happy Friday folks!  I'm off to the can to get the tractor and take it to the repair shop!  But I will also be trying out my new chainsaw!

OPERATING A WOOD MIZER LT40 SAWMILL - Tips and Tricks [9] - YouTube (https://youtu.be/ku_BiMJTWnY)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on August 12, 2022, 10:02:46 PM
I saw that firewood you put on the mill. I never put things on my mill like that, Good way to break the mill. And if I did, it would be very very $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
for the customer. But that's just me. Good video.
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 12, 2022, 11:09:21 PM
Eric,

   Nice vid. One inspiration hit me at the end (Always a dangerous thing ::)) when I saw you stretching to reach some of the flitches on the loading arms to stand up and edge against the cant. (I use a stack of boards instead of a cant because I've had problems with tension bowing the thin cants so when I clamp the last time I don't release till I have sawed everything but I'm sawing more hardwood which does not behave as well as the softwood species you were sawing.) Anyway when I saw you reaching, which is a common problem for me I was thinking "Aha! That looks like an ideal to have a hookaroon to drag those flitches over to stand them up." I may have to make or buy one. I know a guy who is a bit of a hoarder in Mississippi who has a whole collection and should send me and you each one but I'm not holding my breath. (He's too distracted about chasing elk next month with his son and grandsons I think. ;)) Anyway, I can see one in my future as it does seem like it would make the process easier, faster and safer. I had never really thought about what they are used for till watching your video.
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Post by: Magicman on August 13, 2022, 06:51:39 AM
Yes, the Logrite Hookaroon lives on that side of the sawmill and is used to drag flitches onto the sawmill bed.  
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Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 13, 2022, 08:44:06 AM
I have and use 3 different hookeroons I use for different purposes. The 30" LogRite I bought back in the spring lives on the mill leaning up against the support leg at the head end and it used to pull the heavier slabs and flitches off when I need two hands, the reach I get with the hook makes it easier to steer slabs.
 You can actually buy those Howard, just a phone call or a couple of clicks. :D ;D
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 13, 2022, 10:09:01 AM
   Yes, I know they can be purchased and I know a sponsor here who I am sure makes the best in the industry but I thought with recent birthdays and such "certain" members might be in a particularly benevolent mood and want to send me one. Naaahh - probably not gonna happen (again) :( >:( ::) :D

   I have never seen one in use and had really never thought about what they were used for. I guess I thought they were used to turn small cants or such but watching Eric's video and seeing him him stretch to reach for the flitches to be edged, which is just like what I end up doing in many cases, the lightbulb came on and I said to myself "Self, that would he handy use of a hookaroon."
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Post by: terrifictimbersllc on August 13, 2022, 12:16:24 PM
Another important use for a pickaroon-tending a campfire 🔥.

https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=83569.msg1275805#msg1275805 (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=83569.msg1275805#msg1275805)
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 14, 2022, 08:48:26 PM
Sorry guys!  Was at the cabin!  A pickeroon would be awesome specially with my bad back!  Truth is I can normally can get them to slide down onto the deck and the customer stacks them ;) I just help but need a pickeroon  ow :)  .M I just had a birthday ya know!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 14, 2022, 08:57:02 PM
Peter you must be referring to that black locust log lol!  What a beast...I'm just a dumb jarhead and can't help but say "ok"
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 17, 2022, 10:47:20 AM
For those who watch my videos I have a little gift for someone!

I'll be celebrating hitting 1000 subscribers soon (9 to go at this posting) and one of my subscribers (as a thanks to all of you/them) will be winning a rather nice little gift from a great tool maker for sawmills (hint, they are a sponsor here!).

I'll be sharing a video to thank everyone as soon (or shortly after) I hit 1000 subs and in the video all you have to do is comment and you're entered into the drawing!

So thanks to all of you who have subscribed!  (by the time the video drops -- I'll give some time in it to enter)
Can't wait to give this gem away! (and maybe a few other items while I'm at it!)....
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Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 17, 2022, 11:34:05 AM
I assumed I had subscribed because I watch them all, but turns out, I wasn't. Just fixed that. ;D
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Post by: jpassardi on August 17, 2022, 11:49:53 AM
Been meaning to check out your channel.  - you only have 7 to go now.
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 17, 2022, 03:09:47 PM
Thanks guys!  Wood-Mizer is now also donating something!  Can't wait to give so.e stuff away!  Woot!
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Post by: Dakota on August 18, 2022, 07:05:24 AM
6 to go.
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 19, 2022, 06:46:39 PM
Grrr I hate it when this happens!
How to make a CANT on the Wood Mizer LT40 [Simple] - YouTube (https://youtu.be/9ZD0U2Ab9sM)
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Post by: Magicman on August 19, 2022, 08:10:52 PM
Looks like you not only hit the mark with the cant, you have also hit the subscriber mark.  thumbs-up
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 19, 2022, 08:14:53 PM
Eric,

   Do you ever raise the rear toeboard an inch or two to allow your helper to roll the last couple of boards off the end of the mill? I can assure you they appreciate it when you can as it does make their job a little easier. Just a thought there. Nice video.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 19, 2022, 10:08:44 PM
Thanks MM!

WV, I often raise them both unless I am trying to get aide supports up and loaders down etc.  These guys were great but never listened whe. I explained the best was to off bear was to pull the boards as soo. as milled ;)  But I often still try to help them out.

We did do pretty well on this one though...other than my goof up lol
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 19, 2022, 10:55:06 PM
Eric,

  I saw more hardwood than you it seems and I edge against a stack of boards so I leave the last 3-4 boards on the rails to use for that so that means the off-bearer will nearly always have a stack to move at the end of sawing each log so that is when I raise the roller to help make up for the delay I caused. While he is moving them I'm loading the log he has already loaded on the arms for me so there is still no lost time as we are both working.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 19, 2022, 11:19:30 PM
Hardwood?  What's that? lol. I probably mill 90% Fir and Pine!
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 19, 2022, 11:20:17 PM
and I can always learn new tricks ;)
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Post by: YellowHammer on August 20, 2022, 07:57:09 AM
Congratulations on the 1000 mark!
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 20, 2022, 11:01:17 AM
Thanks!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 22, 2022, 06:33:04 PM
BIG DOUG FIR on the Wood Mizer LT40 Portable Sawmill - YouTube (https://youtu.be/pWdix7rLYcU)
Yeeha!  I little extra flipping here lol ya I did that
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 22, 2022, 07:09:21 PM
Eric,

  I had to pause the video and go get a bib when I kept looking at those long straight logs.

  One suggestion I make and sometimes I even get a customer to comply is to make his log stack on top of a pair of parallel runner logs to make them roll on to the arms better. I have sawed long stacks where each log got further away and we'd throw a couple of the first cut waste slabs down to make a track and that made the others roll easier and kept them cleaner.

  I saw you edging against the cant which is what I used to do but since more of mine is hardwood I found when I released the clamp on a thin cant, lots of time it would not lay back down flat after edging my flitches. It would lay flat when full sized and heavier but would move a little when thin. There would be a gap on one end or the middle so now when I make that final flip I clamp lower than my last cut, saw to the bed and leave the bottom 4-5 boards, raise the side supports as high as the board stack and edge against the boards and get the same stability as against a solid cant. Also, if I edge too low and the boards start to get in the way I just remove a board or two.

  Softwood like you are sawing seems to lay flat better than many of the hardwoods I saw.

  Nice video. Keep them coming.

   BTW - what blade profile(s) are you using?
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 23, 2022, 07:50:02 AM
 8)
WV - in truth, though I started my channel for the grands (ok I think I started it for CountryPlans forum members originally, then didn't do anything with it and when the grands wanted to see stuff I began to put it there for them) I eventually began making stuff for customers and in 2016 put up a video of milling in Republic because I wanted to share with customers though I have tons of pics too.

In truth, I struggle to get them to understand the importance of a good log deck!  Some get it and some say they get it and just do what they do anyway.  It's amazing.  So yes!  I wish all customers would put runners under the logs and not stack them 4 or 5 high!  LOL but they often just do what they want and if I don't / can't do a site visit ahead of time (that customer is 150 miles north of me) then I show up and get what I get.  I think with him, the problem is he doesn't speak well and his contractors don't listen well ;)

Now, milling to the deck and then edging?  WOW!  I love that idea!  You have just made that old light bulb go off in my head!  THANKS!  8) :o I hadn't considered that the stack would be solid enough to edge against but your description is great and makes sense.  I will be trying that next time!!!  Thanks.

I usually don't see the cant move down that low though am always cleaning the bunks off.  What you're describing sounds like stress movement which I do see in softwoods (that's 95% of what I mill) but not always.  Sounds like you have a good solution.

As for band profiles lol in the latest videos I'm using 747's -- I ran 800bf on one 747 that day.  I also run 7's and 4's and when I run out of 7's and 4's I'll run tens.  I prefer the 7's though I like 4's for the wider stuff for some reason.

Only issue I have with the 747's is they move a lot of sawdust, more than regular 7s and that means I tend to eat more lol.

Cheers
Erik
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 23, 2022, 06:48:53 PM
THANK YOU! I'm giving away a LogRite Sawmill Special CANT Hook and more! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/S3xnndbrmHQ)
Thank you LogRite, Wood-Mizer,  United Rentals and Angry Gnome Armory!  I am giving stuff away!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on August 23, 2022, 07:16:59 PM
Thank You Erik for all that you do and for sharing your experiences, both in text and in videos.

(No entry for me because I have a full complement of LogRites.)  logrite_cool
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 23, 2022, 07:56:15 PM
Thanks MM!  If wasn't for you and all the great folks here I never would have started much less learned!  You are all the best!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on August 26, 2022, 03:28:39 PM
Live from the office! Who won the CANT hook? Model? Hats? Decal? Drawing at 3pm LIVE! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/i6My-mMKHWU)
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Post by: Busted on August 26, 2022, 06:43:57 PM
Thanks for the invite over here! It looks like I had an account.
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 26, 2022, 07:47:32 PM
Awesome!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Ljohnsaw on September 05, 2022, 08:39:48 PM
Got my Woodmizer 40th anniversary hat that I won in your drawing.  Thanks! 8)

At first, I thought it was defective, but I just needed to clean my glasses.  Through the plastic bag it was in, it looked like the black background had some faded streaks.  Turns out the patch is a b&w picture of a dark forest that they embroidered their logo on. ::)
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 06, 2022, 08:20:24 AM
Glad you got it!  Not sure about the patch ;)  I have different ones to send out and randomly picked them.

Cheers!
Erik
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 07, 2022, 07:14:16 PM
Got a few more to send out, just need to confirm some addresses and then away they go.

Husky did come back and offer to give some swag away as well but it was after the give-away so I offered to do something with them in the future ;)  Maybe 2k subs... sounds like fun!
Meanwhile, here's today's fun...
Milling TWO DIFFERENT SIZED BOARDS at Once on the Wood Mizer LT40 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/XZ3GgM0Mb_A)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 13, 2022, 09:43:51 AM
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/The_Old_Jarhead_28229_28640x64029.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1663076602)
 
Got the new Logo done!  Woot!
How do ya like that Tat :D
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Post by: Nebraska on September 13, 2022, 10:00:54 AM
 Fun!  :) looks good.  
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 13, 2022, 10:17:55 AM
Thanks!  We had fun making it :D
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Post by: Resonator on September 13, 2022, 10:21:26 AM
That tattoo is a nice touch.  ;D
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on September 13, 2022, 10:43:48 AM
   I can't see his boots or NCO sword. Maybe they are on the side. :D

   Maybe a dripping fire extinguisher in a yellow puddle in the background ... 

    Chevrons on the shoulder and hash marks on the foreleg? A holstered .45 around his hips?

    Could be getting a little busy on us. ;)

    Where do I buy one? ;D
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 13, 2022, 10:48:30 AM
Perhaps that might have to be considered!  All great ideas though we just tried to keep it simple but I love the rank idea!  and the rest really.

Not sure i can share the store here?  Could violate policy for selling on the site but the link is in my latest video now as well as on my main page and FB....if I can share here I will but this video has it in the description now:
Morning Chat with The Old Jarhead - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1vV2zk4boc)
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on September 13, 2022, 12:19:21 PM
   Other options might include a campaign cover instead of the utility cover. The Fire Extinguisher might have the letters USN painted vertically on it (but we might not want  to offend those guys too much - we might need a ride somewhere). :D There are plenty of politicians names you could put on it but that might get this thread moved to the woodshed so we better forego that option.  ::)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 13, 2022, 12:27:57 PM
I thought about the campaign cover as well but decided on this one since it's basically what I wear when milling unless it's really sunny out (then the Tilly Hat comes out to save my darn ears! lol).

It was fun getting it made (took a while actually) and I hope to get it on some decent covers.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: bigblockyeti on September 13, 2022, 05:16:48 PM
I really like the rig you've put together to head into the woods and that's one of the mills at the top of my list to order when I'll have time to use it.  I asked around to see if anyone has hauled anything on the bed of their mill, specifically the LT40, while on the road and I got a lot of
opinions and a little experience  related to actually doing this, have you and if so, how much weight?
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: doc henderson on September 13, 2022, 05:33:40 PM
Well BB it is everyone's opinion that is not a good idea to push the limits of a now $53,000.00 mill, and therefore our experience is limited.  :)  mine has a 5 K axle.  One could imply that you could go to 5k.  but even the carriage has a spot just in front of the axle.  My mill is 31 feet long, so any boards or cants I have carried have been "reasonable".  TKs official reply to that question is not a good idea, and if you do it, do not get carried away.  We do not want to contribute to a catastrophic failure on the road.   ;)
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Post by: beenthere on September 13, 2022, 06:18:15 PM
Quote from: bigblockyeti on September 13, 2022, 05:16:48 PM
I really like the rig you've put together to head into the woods and that's one of the mills at the top of my list to order when I'll have time to use it.  I asked around to see if anyone has hauled anything on the bed of their mill, specifically the LT40, while on the road and I got a lot of
opinions and a little experience  related to actually doing this, have you and if so, how much weight?
Likely the "opinions" are mostly from smart people able to think through what the limits are of the equipment. If someone tries this, then the "experience" will likely be in the "Did something dumb today" thread.  :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 13, 2022, 06:35:54 PM
I have hauled my mill loaded with roughly 200 lbs of gear plus up to 12 gallons of fuel for thousands of miles ;)

I get it, yes the axle is rated at a certain amount and the tires are rated just above the supposed mill weight;) but I've abused it for thousands of miles and it seems to take it in strides :D


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20220508_170059.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1652068336)
 
You can kinda see here a little.  There is a basket on the front (removable) with a chainsaw, action packer of fluids and tools, box of wood shims and a 2.5galk fuel can.  On the back is another removable basket with a 6 gal can of fuel as well.

I try to keep the weight down as much as possible but did weigh it once at 4000lbs!  That's over the cap by a fair bit so since have tried to reduce it to one chainsaw not two, no cant hooks etc and limit it down as close to 3700lbs which is the tire capacity as much as I can but on long trips of a few jobs in a row it's hard to keep the weight off of it.

Only issue so far is a tire blew out at 70 on the interstate and ruined a fender!  Cost me a new set of tires but that was 6 years of towing the mill all over the Northwest!  I've towed it repeatedly 260+ miles (one way) to our cabin though not with gear on it and 750 miles round trip loaded with gear in just one stretch!  Literally thousands of miles like that -- maybe 10k probably more.

I am a believer in the Wood Mizer LT40's ability to take the beating I've given it :D
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 13, 2022, 06:39:01 PM
Here's a short from the tire blow out
This is what happens when you get off-fendered #Shorts - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oJ_vUtnUIvo)

and a look at the setup on the road to a jobsite:
Camped out for the night before our next milling gig! #shorts - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/55C3dLt2lkg)
In this one the tire is on the back but that threw off the balance a little so I moved it back up front where it normally is.  I was just trying to see what it would do towing and it made the tongue a little light I think.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 13, 2022, 06:40:24 PM
Quote from: beenthere on September 13, 2022, 06:18:15 PM
Quote from: bigblockyeti on September 13, 2022, 05:16:48 PM
I really like the rig you've put together to head into the woods and that's one of the mills at the top of my list to order when I'll have time to use it.  I asked around to see if anyone has hauled anything on the bed of their mill, specifically the LT40, while on the road and I got a lot of
opinions and a little experience  related to actually doing this, have you and if so, how much weight?
Likely the "opinions" are mostly from smart people able to think through what the limits are of the equipment. If someone tries this, then the "experience" will likely be in the "Did something dumb today" thread.  :D
I guess I'm a dumb jarhead ;)
Seriously though, I've had no issues (I think the tire was going to go anyway actually though the added weight didn't help nor that it was too small -- long story there)....
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 14, 2022, 04:43:13 PM
ABSOLUTE INSANITY - Sawmill Edition! [Wood Mizer LT40 in Action] - YouTube (https://youtu.be/CfMTRJOkXc8)
Yeehaw!

HT to MagicMan in this one!

Honestly, I wasn't planning on milling this crazy crotch up!  I just thought it would be too much trouble but the customer wanted it done and so we loaded it up!  And while the video is relatively short the truth is it took me a LOT longer to get it milled up!  I think it took me 45 minutes to yield 211bf of slabs (a little more but I counted them all as 22"x3"x66" but in truth some were 26" wide!

Cheers
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Post by: fluidpowerpro on September 14, 2022, 05:10:05 PM
Great video.
I know many times when fighting with a log that wont turn, I've been guilty of spending too much time trying to do it all with my turners. 
Sometimes its just better to grab the cant hook right away and use it, along with the turner, to get it where you want it.
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 14, 2022, 06:34:20 PM
Thanks!  It was a fun one to make but took me a LOT longer than I'd allotted LOL

Still fun video..the log?  Not so much! ha!  And how about that girl? LOL she was a trooper!
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Post by: fluidpowerpro on September 14, 2022, 06:41:58 PM
Not a bad choice for the cover shot on your video! I'm sure that cant hurt to get peoples attention. It did mine!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 14, 2022, 07:15:33 PM
LOL I guess I couldn't help it!  She was working so hard!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on September 14, 2022, 08:29:30 PM
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20011/IMG_5936.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1554945766)
 Sometime you can put 2X6's under the cant and slide it over the little stops and gain some width.  The cant weight should hold it in place.  Just remember that it is now 1½" above the scale.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20011/2410/DSCN0248.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1267041241)
 
When I move logs using the side supports I use a Magic Hook.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20011/IMG_2906.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1660134854)
 
I see 4 hydraulic side supports in your future.  ;D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: WV Sawmiller on September 14, 2022, 08:48:01 PM
Eric,

   I hook my magic hook in the end like Lynn shows and use the side supports to move the log forward or back as needed.

   Another trick I learned on a similar sized and shape walnut last year was to use the loader arms to raise or at least hold the short, odd shaped log when the clamp and claw were not enough to turn it.  I'd put a 3'-4' board between the log/cant and the arms and raise to turn it. Sometimes I would do that just enough to take the weight off the clamp or claw then lower and reposition the clamp or claw and start again. Normally we just use the loading arms to load the log but remember you can use them to hold or help turn a big ugly log in a pinch.

   Looked like a hard working young lady. I love to see women work. I could watch them all day. :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 14, 2022, 09:26:33 PM
MM I have a magic hook now but haven't installed it on the chain yet lol
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 14, 2022, 09:32:35 PM
That loader trick could help, sane as the 2xs.  That thing was a beast!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on September 16, 2022, 06:49:28 PM
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20011/2410/DSCN0283.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1267041249)
  
I split the eye, inserted a ring, and then welded the eye back.  I have a slip hook on one end of my chains and a grab hook on the other.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: WV Sawmiller on September 16, 2022, 07:04:46 PM
    I just bought a cheap cant hook at a flea market, took the hook off and put it on a 3' length of 1/4" chain with a hook on the other end. I carry 2- 6' long 1/4" chains with hooks on both ends in case I need the extra length.

   Having 2 like Lynn does is great as you can lift and such while I can only pull from one end or roll a big one over.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 21, 2022, 03:22:43 PM
I need to get mine done! lol  Maybe now that I have more time I will.  Had to wait for my hands to recover a little from a trip to the cabin to get the tractor back....seems putting on the binders was too much for my arthritic hands.

Meanwhile, I broke the rules here ;)  I know!  It wasn't the plan though...
Breaking Rules; Making Lumber! Wood Mizer LT40 in Action! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/L9rYi3PItwU)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on September 21, 2022, 04:18:31 PM
That is one reason that I prefer for the customer to be on the site when the sawing is done.  That way if changes need to be made, on the fly, to the cutlist, those decisions are easily made.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 21, 2022, 05:22:53 PM
Yup!  100% agree -- and in this case it was the customer that made the decision to leave them as is and not make them FOHC which was my intent and suggestion.  However, he's a very good wood worker with all the right tools so must have had an idea of what was likely to happen.

On the other hand, I've had ponderosa boxed heart beams twist on me and in my early days of milling got away with splitting the pith on paneling...so who knows.  I give it a 10% chance of surviving as a 6x8 and a 90% chance he mills it the rest of the way down in the end ;)  But it was his dime :D ;D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 24, 2022, 07:39:23 AM
And wouldn't you just know it!  I couldn't find my magic hook before leaving on this short job and then forgot the chain too!  Grrrr

Still managed to get just shy of 2400bf in 6hrs
Though there were a lot of 6x6 beams 😀 

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/IMG_20220923_193128_428.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1664019553)
 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 29, 2022, 02:57:28 PM
Wow!  Timing is everything!  Today, while taking a break from editing my latest video I went on to YT and checked to see who else had a new video out and saw YH's new video.  Watched it and couldn't believe the timing!  I was making a video in which I started getting wavy cuts etc and realized I needed to adjust my drive belt tension (since everything else was good and recently adjusted or changed (like the band)).

While watching this video YH showed something I'd not heard before and realized I'd seen it but was too busy looking at the cut (since I walk beside the log while milling I can see cut issues before noticing a band -- until my video!)....
So here it is!
Sawmill Secret! How to Saw Straight and Fast! Learn From a Pro! HHA - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpzucyxlTYc)

Now, I'm going to link to this video in mine.  The thing is, while editing my video I could clearly see what YH was talking about.  Again, since I walk beside the log/mill while milling (like MM who rides and others without remotes or command controls) I can see what's going on clearly -- I'm right there -- but YH's video taught me something else to look at.  I looked at the sawdust coming out of the Shute but not so much at the band and sawdust spray there.

My video will come out at 11:45am tomorrow but here's a link for those interested.
- YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5ctrU0BvZs)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: YellowHammer on September 29, 2022, 09:02:16 PM
That is amazing.  I guess we both have ESPN. :D :D

Keep yours video coming, I enjoy watching them.  

Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on September 29, 2022, 09:14:08 PM
Must be lol and thanks.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 10, 2022, 12:49:04 PM
Woot!  8) 8)

I'm going to be adding a laser to my mill!  Can't wait for it to arrive and get it installed so I can give it a try!  I'm hoping it will reduce the amount of time I take to line up my first and/or second cuts!

It's not a WM product though I plan to use their bracket for simplicity sake :)  This laser is being sent to me by the manufacturer and I'll let you all know what it is and what I think of it when I get it installed and tested!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 10, 2022, 03:51:30 PM
How Fast is the Wood Mizer LT40 Portable Sawmill? - YouTube (https://youtu.be/Xg3iCXR76vo)
It's no drag race ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on October 10, 2022, 04:54:55 PM
Your sawdust chute is clogged.  ;D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 10, 2022, 05:57:24 PM
Lynn, lately you seem to have a fascination with other peoples sawdust. Either how it piles up or how it come off the mill. Is there something we should know about or something you might want to share? :D :D ;D

OJH, you are right, it's not a race, it's about making good stuff. I am reminded about a conversation I had with a cousin when I was in Norway. I was raised on boats and we were out on his. It was a single cylinder diesel, about 7 HP, the boat was a beauty of about 27' like a great many of the boats I saw in the marina and out on the waters. I noted the difference between how we Americans like our boats (big engines, fast, sleek, etc). He never looked up from the water in front of him and quietly remarked "If you are going there in a boat, you shouldn't be in a hurry." He was, of course, correct and it brought home the point. It's not the destination, it's the journey.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Resonator on October 10, 2022, 07:17:34 PM
If it's not the destination, it's the journey, then don't stop believin'. smiley_guitarist
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: doc henderson on October 10, 2022, 07:18:26 PM
Tom it may not be about the sawdust.  Most of us, as we age, worry about the chute getting clogged up.  high fiber is often just the answer.   8)   :) :) :)
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Post by: Crusarius on October 10, 2022, 07:22:02 PM
thanks doc, I needed that laugh :)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 10, 2022, 07:29:23 PM
Well Doc, you observation makes sense but how do you explain his concern about my sawdust piles being too big? Perhaps, maybe I shouldn't ask. In fact, I think I am already sorry I did.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: doc henderson on October 10, 2022, 08:00:26 PM
Well Tom, now that you asked... the old term for a hemorrhoid is pile.  I think mayby he feels you should eat more fiber.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 10, 2022, 09:23:20 PM
Quote from: Magicman on October 10, 2022, 04:54:55 PM
Your sawdust chute is clogged.  ;D
LOL ya, I saw that -- funny, I usually stop and unclog it fairly soon after I see it but sometimes I just keep forgetting ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 10, 2022, 09:25:06 PM
Maybe my sawdust chute had too much fiber ;) :P
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on October 10, 2022, 10:34:41 PM
For me, Cypress is the worst sawdust chute clogger with fresh felled SYP next.  I have not noticed a clog and filled the entire drive housing which made a general mess.  :-\

You gotta remember Tom that the only thing a sawmill does is pull a blade through a log and make sawdust.  Where in the log the blade goes and what "by-product" it produces is your job.  ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 13, 2022, 08:19:20 AM
Monster Maple vs Husqvarna 572xp! #shorts #Husqvarna #lumber - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MXQ-xmp35aI)
More to come!

This monster was so big and heavy we had to use the tractor to move the quarters around lol

Good thing the Husky saw has the guts to make it through this one!  Had to sharpen the chain after each pass and let the saw cool down between cuts but it just kept on moving the sawdust!  5 minutes to make one cut 20 inches deep....yup, it's a big log!  Once we had two cuts made I'd take the granberg off, plunge the saw all of the 28 inches it had into the cut and work it down to a hinge and then we'd wedge it open with felling wedges and break out off with the big tank bar (pry bar)....but we got it broken down!
More to come!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: barbender on October 13, 2022, 02:20:26 PM
Did someone say something? Whenever someone says hemorrhoids my a...ears start burning😁
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 13, 2022, 07:36:36 PM
Maybe hernia ;)
https://youtube.com/shorts/bhJshyki83E?feature=share
This maple is amazing!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 13, 2022, 08:02:52 PM
Meanwhile...

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20221012_182400.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1665705745)
 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 13, 2022, 08:25:55 PM
Verry nice! Old Jarhead merch!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 14, 2022, 02:59:22 PM
Thanks, I'm loving it ;)Here's today's
OPERATING THE WOOD MIZER LT40 MILLING BEAMS FOR A GREENHOUSE BUILD - YouTube (https://youtu.be/8te0-R-QiAU)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 17, 2022, 08:22:29 PM
 Now THIS is how to off-bear!!  Yeehaw!
https://youtu.be/fSwB6GzF_Dc
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 19, 2022, 05:41:59 PM
It doesn't get better than this!  Woot!  8) 8) 8)
MUST WATCH: Absolute Best Sawmill Video Ever! [Wood Mizer Lt40] - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NXabOUTBGY)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: chet on October 19, 2022, 10:08:59 PM
Boy does that bring back memories of myself and my three sons working with the guy that use to saw for me. He once told me that he enjoyed sawing for us so much he was tempted ta do it for free. 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 19, 2022, 10:10:32 PM
It's hard not to!  These folks were great and took me out for a birthday burger after work ti!  Super people!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on October 19, 2022, 10:20:28 PM
I know that it's quicker and you seem to get away with it, but I can not split the pith on the SYP that I saw.  Actually I can not do it with any species that I saw.  Every board would crook.  :-X
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 19, 2022, 10:27:38 PM
I always do my best to avoid splitting the pith.  If I do it it's a goof but I don't recall doing it with this one.  What I do is work to my width with the pith off center so I don't split it.

I have gotten away with it on pondo though for paneling though mostly that was long ago.  But yes occasionally I'll be milling along, drop go and realize I missed when it's too late.  I cringe then because it means 2 boards are inferior not one.

On the other hand I have so milled a lot of pondo and fir with off set piths that don't center.  Don't split it on the near end but do on the far or split it in the middle of the log because it's that off ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 19, 2022, 10:43:50 PM
I'll admit, I was a little bothered by your post MM so I went back and looked at the raw video for this one and found this:

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/Screenshot_2022-10-19_194015.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1666233410)
 
It's actually hard to see in the video but here you can see I'm leaning down and double checking that I won't split the pith -- you can just barely see the 'dot' of the pith under the band and the angle doesn't show how much lower it is but it's clearly well below where I will cut.  Not sure I had that in the video or not (I cut out a lot actually, in order to keep them short).
How to produce more lumber an hour in 8m [the key] - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xOQWQCBOlA)
At 6:57 in this older video you will see me measure where the pith is and in many of my videos you might see me point at it as I go by and box it in...I strive to do this all the time so it's like hitting the bullseye for this old dartplayer, only in this case you try to miss the bullseye ;)

Anyway, I think in the videos it looks like you split the pith when you don't, like the pick above where the saw band is above the pith by 1/2" at a minimum but it's hard to see.

Erik
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 19, 2022, 10:56:37 PM
OK I went back to the log before this one...

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/Screenshot_2022-10-19_195653.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1666234353)
The pith is directly below the top crack -- it looks like it may be lower but it isn't, it's just below the upper crack...I clipped this from the video

 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/Screenshot_2022-10-19_195757.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1666234353)

And hear I've captured the pith in this one board which begins to bed hard to the left half way through it (WRC movement perhaps?)...

I'm not saying I don't ever do it (again, sometimes it can't be avoided when the pith wanders from one end to the other) but I try very hard to always avoid it and usually point it out (if for no one other than myself).

I've listened (well read really) to you a long time my friend and I try to learned from every post you make!  And you may have noticed often mention you in my videos.  I try to give credit where it's due to those whom I've learned from though admittedly I give more credit to you than anyone.  So perhaps that's why I began trying to understand what you saw as me splitting the pith.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 19, 2022, 11:10:51 PM
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/Screenshot_2022-10-19_200955_28229.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1666235222)

OK I went one step further -- I'm obsessed!  But honestly, I wanted to assure myself I didn't miss something.  First pic is without arrows to see if you can see what I see.
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/Screenshot_2022-10-19_200955_28229-2.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1666235222)
 
Notice the arrow on the left, it's pointing to the rings surrounding the heartwood.  It's off center and the pith is in the center though off to the right a little -- off set.  Right arrow points to it.  Now look at the pics above again ;)  The band goes above it when I'm checking (before engaging).

I also went to the 2nd time I split the cant but for the life of me I cannot see the pith and even after rotating and following where I know it is/was I still can't make it out. 

Didn't split it here at all bud.  Even later I noticed I slipped it into 1 1x6 easily since it was off center and in one 6x cant and I skimmed off (notice that skim cut earlier?) enough to make it past on my way to the deck ;)

But thanks for keeping me honest!  I appreciate it and welcome all comments!  
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 19, 2022, 11:23:06 PM
Me thinks he doth pretest too much. :D :D :D

 Relax man. I am sure MM was just throwing out a thought. You are like me, you are your biggest critic because you want it right, every time. I do the same thing. But I don't have an audience and I don't video my milling. But if I think I messed up I look it over carefully to see what I did wrong so I don't do it again and splitting the pith is one that really pithes me off. I love it when I am making 4/4 and the pith is dead smack in the middle of a board. It happens more than I deserve. But sometimes things are to quite right. Let it go. 2 boards in 5,000BF is a blip on the radar.

 Every log has a new challenge.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on October 20, 2022, 07:42:16 AM
quote OlJarhead:  "I'll admit, I was a little bothered by your post MM so I went back and looked at the raw video for this one and found this:"

No foul no error, no pretest, except that I did not catch it in the video.  Others may not either.  :P

Since many members/guest will be viewing your well documented videos, I would suggest that you make a point of pointing out that you offset the pith when you made the cant so that when it was split the pith was in one side and the other side was pith free.  
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 20, 2022, 07:57:48 AM
Sorry!  and yes I am my biggest critic.  I strive to do things correctly and when I don't I strive to not do it again!

But I guess I was confused by MM because I couldn't recall splitting the pith in the above video so I was scratching my head.

And yes, if you do split it in the wood I'm milling 90% of the time you can edge it off and leave a 2x4 or a 1x4 and it will be fine. 

I do recall skimming along the pith when milling a beam and the customer asked me to leave it.  I don't like doing that as it will cause the beam to twist etc but he felt he could deal with it if it did.  My experience is that you'll end up with a much smaller beam ;)  Not worth it.  How does this happen?  Trying to sneak beams out of logs you just can't get them out of ;)  Meaning, 1 beam yes, 2 no.  Just not wide enough at the small end to make them FOHC, ones gonna be smaller or have the pith and it will be near the edge which is bad.

Anyhow ;)  One thing I do mention often is to box in the heart and avoid splitting the pith but I could try to mention it more often.  It's a challenge ;)

Making videos is a challenge really LOL but I know that making them leaves me open to lots of 'suggestions' by others ;)

Cheers
No harm no foul!
Erik
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: GAB on October 20, 2022, 08:57:13 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on October 20, 2022, 07:57:48 AM
But I guess I was confused by MM because I couldn't recall splitting the pith in the above video so I was scratching my head.

Cheers
Erik
Erik:
If you are many of us please do not do that as it is getting thin up there and there is no need to speed it up any.
GAB
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 20, 2022, 10:54:18 AM
 ;D :D
Ya it's pretty thin up there ;)  Probably too much head scratching already  ::)
Title: WOOT! this video has taken off!
Post by: OlJarhead on October 25, 2022, 09:32:05 AM
Had to share this little short ;)  It's had an incredible 80,470 views!!!!
Monster On The Mill! #shorts #woodmizer #lumber - YouTube (https://youtube.com/shorts/E1rfykmVztM?feature=share)
Must be the tune :D
Title: Re: WOOT! this video has taken off!
Post by: aigheadish on October 25, 2022, 02:24:05 PM
Nice! It's interesting what hits... Did you find out why? I assume it was shared somewhere (Facebag, Tweeter, Reddit?). I hope it's not offensive to say so but it looks like a fairly normal milling video.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: beenthere on October 25, 2022, 05:20:40 PM
aig
All you need is a headliner like "Woot! this video has taken off" and everyone needs to go look to see what is happening. Counts up to be successful hits.
8) 8)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 25, 2022, 11:49:04 PM
It was just a 15 second short I posted for fun as a teaser for another video I was working on.  At the time only on YT.  In fact never shared anywhere else until it took off.

In truth it seams any big log that you describe with words like big, huge, monster etc in the video title can do well but I try not to overuse that.

YT is also pushing shorts to try to beat tiktok in the shorts game.

Ultimately I am not a short video creator so this one surprised me ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 25, 2022, 11:51:37 PM
it so has a 127% retention rate which is good.  I suspect people like the song and let it run a bit which helps.

Funny thing is that it can't be monetized because of the song but it has brought me 76 subs ;)
Just a tad shy of 90k now;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Ianab on October 26, 2022, 02:13:42 AM
Quote from: aigheadish on October 25, 2022, 02:24:05 PMI hope it's not offensive to say so but it looks like a fairly normal milling video.


It is to us forum folks that know how sawmills work. But if it gets shared into a forum for say "woodworking", not everyone there knows exactly how a log gets transformed into boards, but they are interested enough to watch, find out, and share this cool video with their friends. . 

I have a video on my site that's also nothing special, but it's racked up 321,000 views over the years. It's just feeding a wild freshwater eel in my back garden, just a clip, no production, but I'd shared it to an International fish keeping forum, and it sorta went viral with lots of views from Europe. Nothing special for us, but most folks don't have 4ft long freshwater eels in their back garden (unless you live on our street)   
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 26, 2022, 10:31:46 AM
True enough!  I spend so much time editing that I don't have as much time to share around but you make a good point.

Funny thing, I'm not a member of any wood working forums, I'm just a member here and at CountryPlans these days and spend more time here than anywhere else ;)  Just too busy!

YT is doing a good job of getting these shorts out but I'm more into making long form videos of milling, mostly to share what I've learned (mostly from here I might add) with those interested and just to share my adventures :D

The channel is growing though and is nearing 1600 subs.  Still pretty small but who knows?
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 04, 2022, 05:50:21 PM
I Made A Big Mistake Milling This Cedar Log On My Wood Mizer LT40 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/DEYEMrX1RqQ)
Darnit!!!!!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 10, 2022, 06:44:21 PM
Happy Birthday, Semper Fi and don't drink the water. :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 11, 2022, 07:52:28 AM
Ooorah!  8)

Sorry I missed this.  Was at the end of the work day (yup, I went back to work temporarily -- like maybe a year two max - because I couldn't pass up the $$$ they offered lol).....

Semper Fi!

And to all those who have stood on that line, THANK YOU!  Doesn't matter why, doesn't matter where, doesn't matter what you did.  Thank you!  
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 18, 2022, 02:35:30 PM
My take on production milling ;)
Making Lumber Like There's No Tomorrow! [Wood Mizer LT40] - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwpqTFxgZ_I)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 23, 2022, 11:10:33 AM
https://youtu.be/Gtx6t33E7IM
And so it goes some days ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: ladylake on November 23, 2022, 03:02:17 PM
 You should send your off bearers over to me, they did good.   Steve
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 25, 2022, 05:59:08 PM
LOL I wish I could just keep them with me on all jobs!!!!  But they were the customer and his help so I can't very well keep them ;)

Meanwhile, I goofed! ::) :snowball:
My Most Embarrassing Video EVER!!! [Wood Mizer LT40] - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpk9KTMlrjM)
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Post by: OlJarhead on November 30, 2022, 12:02:01 PM
Logs To Lumber #shorts #sawmill #woodmizer #lumber #viralshorts - YouTube (https://youtube.com/shorts/VA3Q8RyOaAw?feature=share)
Ha fun making this one!
Cheers!
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 03, 2022, 09:53:45 AM
I should post this in the 'I'm doing dumb stuff today' thread! lol (ya I changed the name a little)....or maybe 'The Old Jarhead' should be 'The Old Jarhead messing up so you don't have to' LOL but here ya go!  I admit my mistakes (but wish I didn't make them after all these years!
HUGE Pine & Big Mistakes on the sawmill! [Woodmizer LT40] - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGJkNyHK2qU)
Enjoy and have a laugh on me :P :o ;D
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 07, 2022, 10:01:44 AM
Old Ponderosa Pine on the Woodmizer LT40 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/PANuwZmfvok)
Yeehaw!  I think I made it through this log without a major screw up! 😆 
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 09, 2022, 01:38:02 PM
Friday's Sawdust Roadshow!
READY, SAWMILL, ACTION!!! Milling Pine 1x6s [Woodmizer LT40] - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_TcSpx24iw)
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on December 09, 2022, 04:00:48 PM
Eric,

   Nice vid. Great explanations. Good helpers. I don't like helpers walking behind me but I saw your's did a good job of keeping out of your way. Keep up the good work. (Don't drink the water ::))
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 09, 2022, 09:28:44 PM
lol don't drink the water?  It's Mullen ID so the water us safe ;)

Ya, I normally don't like them behind me either but Ryan was the beat and made sure he was never in my way...plus changed the water,added fuel, cleaned up and even bought me dinner!  Best customer ever!!!!
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 10, 2022, 05:19:32 PM
This new customer bought a Chinese knock off Stihl, idled it for 3 hrs and then attempted to cut this monster log up with it....one and a half passes and the saw quit.

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I'll bring my Husky and quarter it, then get it up on the mill.

Says it's Elm but I've never milled Elm before so am wondering what it's like?
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Post by: Andries on December 10, 2022, 05:55:15 PM
It's beautiful and lively.
It has a unique zig zag grain pattern that makes it easy to identify.
When you go to quarter it, unless you're using a ripping chain, the sawdust noodles will pack up very tightly at the drive sprocket.
Milling is similar to ash and oak, the drying is where the real difficulties start. I'm supposing you won't be part of the stickering and stacking detail, but advise your customer to put many tons of weight onto of the stack. More is better. Much more is even better. Elm wants to move after most other woods will have surrendered, it'll never give up until it's at about 20 - 15% MC. With that, mill a bit thicker to allow the woodworker to flatten to the final thickness.
I enjoy your videos and yep, I've subscribed!
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 10, 2022, 06:06:36 PM
Hey thanks k!  O. all accounts.   I was thinking I'd read here somewhere over the years that Elm was like that.  I'll have advise him of all that once we get to milling.

Cheers!
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Post by: doc henderson on December 11, 2022, 10:56:24 AM
It looks pretty dried out.  Looks like he wanted to mill it and another sad story of getting into CSM not realizing the work it is and dealing with a cheap saw.  all said, it mills fine without difficult.  If fresh, it has a urine smell and thus referred to as pith elm.  an already Fairly dry log may behave better.  i cut tons and yes with some work after dried and made all kinds of great project.  May have to pic trough and use the best parts.  It does not turn well on a lathe due to the frizzy grain.  or use sharp tools.  No one can believe how beautiful it is and that it came from an ugly near dead tree in someone's yard.  tends to lose branches and get quite lopsided after trimming dead portions.


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Post by: YellowHammer on December 11, 2022, 03:13:45 PM
"Lively" is a good word for it.  Maybe also "Grumpy."

Its beautiful wood but we stopped carrying it years ago because after sawing and drying, the kill rate was so high that we had to burn a lot of it because it would turn in to Fritos.  
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 11, 2022, 10:17:42 PM
Thanks guys
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 12, 2022, 10:06:01 AM
Just for fun I put this one out with no music or talking.   Just milling 😉
Milling Blue Pine With NO TALKING [Wood Mizer LT40] - YouTube (https://youtu.be/fY2vws9xZGE)
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 14, 2022, 10:06:50 AM
and now a little explanation
https://youtu.be/vVInBPxIuxA
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 14, 2022, 05:17:43 PM
Got another new one for me: Tulip.

Customer has a log 24 inch base and 12 feet long and wants 5/4 from it.

Haven't mill it before.  Does it move like Elm or is it more stable?
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Post by: Magicman on December 14, 2022, 05:45:22 PM
Tulip Poplar is very stable and is the preferred species for cabinet builders here.
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Post by: Wlmedley on December 14, 2022, 06:44:53 PM
I've cut quite a bit of tulip poplar.Makes really nice sheeting.Thick,wide boards turn out good also.I have had trouble making nice 2"x4"s out of it but may be my lack of experience.Picture of 2" poplar.
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 14, 2022, 06:48:18 PM
Thanks! I am looking forward to this one....the Elm?  Not so much lol
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on December 14, 2022, 10:34:10 PM
   Probably my most common wood and my favorite to saw. Do keep an eye on your sawdust chute as those old big logs with thick bark can sometimes shred and stop up the chute. You will like it - I promise!
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 14, 2022, 11:52:03 PM
Thanks!  Pondo can do that too ;)
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 16, 2022, 02:04:02 PM
Maybe I'm just a nut! lol  8)
Will I really do this? Let someone else run my sawmill? [Woodmizer LT40] - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouc6TA2cTQI)
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 22, 2022, 07:54:38 AM
Getting cold out here!  Saw 5F this morning and since I've gone back to work (temporarily darn it) and have to drive 35 miles to my work, I've learned it's colder there!  like ZERO F this morning....brrrr.

Hope you are all hanging in there and staying warm!
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Post by: barbender on December 22, 2022, 11:36:39 AM
Somedays, it's not bad to be working for the man- especially if they have somewhere warm for you to work😁
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 23, 2022, 04:36:36 PM
Happy Friday and Merry Christmas to you all! 

I think you might enjoy this one ;)  What did the crazy old jarhead get himself into this time?  LOL
Sawmills and Hydroplanes - English Walnut on the Wood MizerLT40 SAWMILL - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jz-pwuV1RE)
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Post by: Magicman on December 23, 2022, 05:02:02 PM
4 nuts will remove the outrigger.  :D
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Post by: doc henderson on December 23, 2022, 05:32:42 PM
@Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011) if 4 nuts can do it, don't you think 1 old jarhead can do it by himself?   :o :D
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Post by: Magicman on December 23, 2022, 05:34:43 PM
OK, one nut removing 4 nuts.  :D   8)
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on December 23, 2022, 06:34:45 PM
Eric,

    I watched the video and hope no PETA members see it and complain about you destroying the homes of groundhogs, prairie dogs and the rare northeastern right winged mole. :D

    It did remind me of a tip Mr. Tom Cadenhead posted here on the FF about taking an old rounded hubcap and placing it under the landing gear so you could slide it around. I don't know if that would have helped here but its something to consider.

    I don't know if there would have been enough room to turn the mill at an angle and come down the side slope without too much risk of tuning over (said the man with 3 broken ribs from his last ATV rollover).

    I assume that was a minimum fee job for just the one log.
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 23, 2022, 09:28:51 PM
First, I need to hit my noggin against a wall for not removing those outriggers lol. Sheesh!  Guess I just have no common sense lol. Next time!

As for the job, free of charge but he did give $100 fir the smoked bands.  This was a collaboration between Scott and I.  Unfortunately he just hasn't been able to get it out himself so I released it as is ;)  Fun time though!  And super nice guy, did you check out his channel?
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 23, 2022, 09:36:42 PM
I should note that I rarely do just one log.   Normally if I have only one log I'll offer a deal in exchange for letting me take longer for filming ti make a video.  Otherwise my minimum is 4hrs of work unless 100 miles or more away, then the min is 8hrs but I might lower that to 75 miles 
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Post by: Magicman on December 23, 2022, 10:15:15 PM
Thank you Erik for taking the "chain jerking" in a good natured Forestry Forum way.  :)

I agree about the "one log" jobs.  The customer wants/needs it done and there is no way for it to be economical to me nor the customer so I do them for free.  Almost without exception when I say "no charge" I get tipped far more than I would have ever charged. 

No matter what, I have made a friend and it's cheap advertising.  Many times I have had them to show up a month or so later and gift me or PatD with something that they made from the lumber.
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Post by: Old Greenhorn on December 23, 2022, 10:24:48 PM
Good to know Lynn. Say, I have about 2 or 300 one log jobs up here right near out sawmill. When are you available? :D :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D
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Post by: Magicman on December 24, 2022, 07:14:09 AM
I'll check my HoHoHo calendar for a time slot.......OK checked and it appears that I am booked solid through February.  ;D

:christmas:

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Post by: OlJarhead on December 24, 2022, 08:45:32 AM
Yup the one loggers are just not worth it unless for filming or as a favor lol. I've been paid a bottle of Bourbon for milling up a log and have a nice black walnut charcuterie board from another as well as plenty if $100+ dollar tips and as mentioned I do it for video too because normally I can chit chat with the camera on a paying production job lol
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Post by: Crusarius on December 24, 2022, 05:14:58 PM
Magicman, did you check it twice?
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Post by: Magicman on December 24, 2022, 08:23:43 PM
No time, right now I am looking for da Partridge in da Pear Tree.  :christmas:
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Post by: GAB on December 24, 2022, 09:08:46 PM
Quote from: Magicman on December 24, 2022, 08:23:43 PM
No time, right now I am looking for da Partridge in da Pear Tree.  :christmas:
Sorry to have to tell you this, but I sawyed the pear tree last year.
Brought two pieces of bark to Jake's shindig and Danny confirmed it as pear.
GAB
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Post by: Peter Drouin on December 24, 2022, 11:32:52 PM
Why not put a chain on the log with the truck and drag the thing up on level ground? 
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 24, 2022, 11:41:11 PM
I suppose that may have worked but may also have caused more damage to the grass.
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Post by: GAB on December 25, 2022, 08:09:28 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on December 24, 2022, 11:41:11 PM
I suppose that may have worked but may also have caused more damage to the grass.
All you needed was a good old stone boat with some blocks to raise the small end.
Stone boats are not only for rocks.
GAB
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Post by: Peter Drouin on December 25, 2022, 11:51:18 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on December 24, 2022, 11:41:11 PM
I suppose that may have worked but may also have caused more damage to the grass.


Grass is easier to fix than a mill. Don't forget customers, don't care if you damage your truck or the mill, or work like an animal as long that they get their logs cut. 

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Post by: OlJarhead on December 26, 2022, 08:51:14 AM
true but us jarheads tend to rush in head first and do the thinking after lol
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Post by: GAB on December 26, 2022, 10:08:15 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on December 26, 2022, 08:51:14 AM
true but us jarheads tend to rush in head first and do the thinking after lol
If you are still around to do some thinking. (I do not think it is a laughing matter)
Based on that comment I now have a better understanding of some of the entries in "did something dumb today"
Thanks for the enlightenment.
GAB
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 27, 2022, 08:01:37 AM
LOL well, true, if you want to dig into it, but even in civilian life we tend to drive head first into a problem.  In this case, I learned (once again from MM) that I could have taken the outriggers off (DOH!  I know that!   Just didn't think of it)....

Fortunately I survived and so too did the mill and we headed back up to Badger Mountain to spend a day milling.  It was a bit of an adventure just getting there but made it up, got all the logs milled I could (his help was only there for the day) and continued on.
Sawmilling Pine Slabs On The Woodmizer LT40 Sawmill - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xWXsb5Vh1A)
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on December 27, 2022, 04:59:23 PM
Eric,

  Nice vid. Nice rig for what you're doing.

   Your comment about the customer changing his mind about the thickness on the fly hits home with a lot of it. I have to step back and bite my tongue when they do that as I am so in tune with sawing to my marks so I minimize the waste I have to remember it is his wood and if he suddenly decides he wants a 6/4 board out of the middle the cant I when I had started on my mark for 4/4. I tell him fine and that I'll have to make a trim cut to get back in sync. It probably is not a lot of waste int he big picture and he is happy so we both do okay. 
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 28, 2022, 09:21:57 AM
Customers changing their mind is kinda my bread and butter  lol
https://youtu.be/qUvLY4uJcgY
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on December 30, 2022, 12:38:24 PM
Dead Batteries, bent logs and good times :D
Ponderosa Pine On The Sawmill [Wood Mizer LT40] - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoaD3wbMkTQ)
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Post by: Magicman on December 30, 2022, 04:04:55 PM
 
HSS-A Side Support Kit, Hyd 4-Link
       ;D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on December 30, 2022, 07:12:07 PM
Yup, I need to do that along with Lubemizer and a laser ;)
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Post by: Magicman on December 30, 2022, 07:28:42 PM
Since your sawing is at the customer's location and not under a shed I wonder about the value/usefulness of a laser. ?? 

A LubeMizer was the first option that I added to my sawmill.  Will it ever pay for itself in water/soap savings?  No.  Would I add it to my sawmill again?  Absolutely.

The additional hydraulic side supports and a LubeMizer would be the best $1500 upgrade that you could make.  ;D
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 31, 2022, 07:54:44 PM
I am convinced of that now MM.  The laser is sponsored so I'm happy to try it out 😉 Fro. what I've seen the more powerful green ones work well in daylight but I'll find out and let folks know 

I crammed the mill into my shop today so I could work on it. lolCheck this our!
When you need to.. #sawmill #shorts #woodmizer - YouTube (https://youtube.com/shorts/xaq7bGkt3eQ?feature=share)
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Post by: fluidpowerpro on December 31, 2022, 08:18:56 PM
Please make sure and let us know how the laser works. I have often wanted to add one to my mill but always didn't because I understand they don't work well outdoors.
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 31, 2022, 09:55:57 PM
You bet!  I will be honest about and that is a condition I've made to do this review.  Some may remember I used to run one of the world's top dart websites and in those days had a reputation for being honest even if it meant losing a sponsor 
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Post by: GAB on January 01, 2023, 11:42:46 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on December 31, 2022, 07:54:44 PM
I am convinced of that now MM.  The laser is sponsored so I'm happy to try it out 😉 Fro. what I've seen the more powerful green ones work well in daylight but I'll find out and let folks know
I've heard say that lasers can be damaging to someones eyesight, but they were talking red lasers.
Are the green lasers safe?
GAB
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Post by: YellowHammer on January 01, 2023, 12:29:54 PM
Not necessarilyy, it has to do with the class of laser including wavelength, and the power category, which then fits it into the OSHA eye safety categories for lasers power vs time of direct or indirect ocular exposure.  However, as a general rule of thumb, most visible spectrum consumer lasers fall into the unconscious "blink and flinch" level of power, or lower.  These should certainly not be stared at or they may cause damage, but when looked at casually, they will cause the viewer to blink, flinch and look away.   

Short term laser damage is retinal burns, but long term damage is slow cataract formation and similar.  This is probably why the WM Laser is weak, not because they can't get a more powerful laser, but because they don't want to injure somebody, or can't put on a more powerful laser by usage and law.

If anybody has the WM laser, it will be labeled with its power, wavelength, and safety classification.  From there, it's a simple task to determine the exposure safety guidelines.  
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Post by: GAB on January 01, 2023, 12:39:24 PM
YH:
Thanks.
GAB
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Post by: OlJarhead on January 01, 2023, 01:03:13 PM
Having worked in Telecom for 3 decades I can tell you that yes, lasers can be harmful to the eyes and you should not look into one!  That being said, we had to and would wear protective Eyewear when we did.

Lasers are classed to help with this and Class 2 lasers are generally considered safe (YH refers to as blink) but still can cause harm.

Class 3 lasers are more powerful and require added caution particularly in the 3B class.  Class 4s are more powerful so more caution is advised.

Sine we were using Class 3Bs we had to get 'baseline eye exams' to look for burns or holes in our eyes.  Yes that's a thing.

The laser should have class rating on it and 2s 3Rs and 3As are fairly safe.  

Incidentally we use them to transmit data in fiber optics... that's how your internet works today.  No satellites anymore except for remote connections.
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Post by: OlJarhead on January 02, 2023, 03:25:11 PM
 
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Post by: OlJarhead on January 02, 2023, 03:29:57 PM
lol when you want to work on the mill but your shop is a little small and full of woodworking stuff.....
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Post by: Crusarius on January 02, 2023, 04:39:04 PM
that sure is a conveniently placed door.
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Post by: OlJarhead on January 02, 2023, 05:12:01 PM
lol yup!
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Post by: Andries on January 02, 2023, 05:14:57 PM
Compliments on your "truck backing up skills" ! Pin point landing !
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on January 02, 2023, 05:32:46 PM
Thanks!  I've backed this mill into many crazy places but this may take the cake lol

Now to do some work on after making more room
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on January 02, 2023, 05:50:06 PM
   I was looking at one of those little 2 wheel dollies used to move trailers around this afternoon. Have you or any readers ever used one for tight work like this or other mill purposes? I am tempted to get one. It is small enough and light enough I could take it on mobile jobs.

600 lb. Trailer Dolly (harborfreight.com) (https://www.harborfreight.com/600-lb-trailer-dolly-60533.html?_br_psugg_q=trailer+dolly)
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Post by: OlJarhead on January 02, 2023, 06:18:30 PM
I just lift the tongue and move it.  If on a job then I have help.  

I don't think the dolly would work on rough ground but it may and may make life easier too.
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Post by: Ljohnsaw on January 02, 2023, 06:23:51 PM
I have one of those to move my trailers around my driveway.  In the winter I have 4 trailers packed in.  Doesn't go well by myself when trying to roll up hill.  But, put someone on a trailer tire rolling the top of it (gives 2x the pushing power), you can move a lot of weight.  Two issues.  First, I broke the handle off - really bad weld - so I re-welded it way stronger.  Second, the cheap chineseium tires leak.  Filled them with slime but still have to air them up a few time a year.  Not motivated enough since I have this one but I'd just make my own.  Use flat-free wheelbarrow tires (bigger) for easier rolling and less maintenance.
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Post by: doc henderson on January 02, 2023, 06:40:31 PM
well now if you turn off the lights, that laser may work better!   8)   :)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on January 02, 2023, 06:52:57 PM
lol First I need to sort out the hydraulics issue which appears to be electrical.

But then, yes, laser time!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: fluidpowerpro on January 02, 2023, 08:52:52 PM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on January 02, 2023, 05:50:06 PM
  I was looking at one of those little 2 wheel dollies used to move trailers around this afternoon. Have you or any readers ever used one for tight work like this or other mill purposes? I am tempted to get one. It is small enough and light enough I could take it on mobile jobs.

600 lb. Trailer Dolly (harborfreight.com) (https://www.harborfreight.com/600-lb-trailer-dolly-60533.html?_br_psugg_q=trailer+dolly)
I use to sell hydraulics to a MN company that built car washes. Nu-star. Another product they built was a car / trailer puller. I've often thought something similar could be made using an old snow blower. Remove all of the snow blower stuff and just use the engine and drive wheels as a traction unit. Mount a ball somehow on the front to hook to trailers. Up here you can get good used snow blowers cheap or even free on Craigslist.
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Post by: Ljohnsaw on January 02, 2023, 09:01:12 PM
I'll do you one better.  Got an old (cast iron) rototiller.  Had no motor.  Took the tines off and fitted some wheel barrow tires.  Mounted a 1/3 hp electric motor with a small pulley turning a very large pulley on the input shaft.  Added a pair of kid's wagon wheels on the near end.  The ball is mounted about 10% behind the powered and 90% in front of the non-powered wheels.  Tip it back to move it without power and lean forward on it to transfer more weight to the powered wheels for traction.  The motor was reversible so I wired up a pair of house switches (1 regular, 1 four lug).   Never stalled the motor no matter what I was trying to move.  Slow but works pretty well.  Just the extension cord was a pain.  It's currently buried in the back of my garage.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: WV Sawmiller on January 02, 2023, 09:21:37 PM
Fluid,

  I sure hope we're not hijacking Eric's thread here but something in your description about car movers and such reminded me of the way the police on Okinawa towed illegally parked cars over there around 1979. They just took a pair of regular hydraulic floor jacks and lifted the car from each end and skid a little 4 wheeled dolly like a furniture moving dolly under it.  Then they'd attach a simple tow bar to the front of the car (I don't remember how they attached it) and hook the bar to a ball hitch on a regular sedan and tow it to the impound lot. Of course the cars over there were not nearly as big as the ones we drive here. It was a very fast, low tech and cheap method but very effective.

  Part of the attraction the HF 2 wheel dolly is it's simplicity and it is cheap. I don't weld and I could not buy the materials to have one built for what they sell for.
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Post by: Old Greenhorn on January 02, 2023, 09:29:47 PM
John that is pure genius! Now I'm sorry I gave away the second old (running) rototiller I had! I'll have to keep my eyes open for another one now. That is genius!
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Post by: OlJarhead on January 02, 2023, 09:34:06 PM
No worries!  You are sharing good stuff!
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Post by: Magicman on January 02, 2023, 09:47:12 PM
I have had several occasions when there was absolutely no way to turn the sawmill around while hitched to the truck after sawing.  We either turned it by hand or used the tractor/safety chains to make the 180° sawmill turnaround.  After flipping the sawmill I turned the truck around, reconnected, and drove back out.
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on January 02, 2023, 09:57:04 PM
Lynn

   I did the same thing for a neighbor about a mile down the road. We were sawing in the bend of a mountain road/private drive back up in the woods. I drove in, disconnected the mill from my pick up at the bend, drove up and turned around with just enough room to pass the mill I and a couple of young neighbors (sons of the customer) spun the mill around. chocked the wheel and started sawing.

   Last Thursday I moved the mill closer to the log pile and we had to disconnect and move it by hand a few feet. Instances like that are what make me interested in the dolly.
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Post by: fluidpowerpro on January 02, 2023, 10:30:20 PM
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on January 02, 2023, 09:29:47 PM
John that is pure genius! Now I'm sorry I gave away the second old (running) rototiller I had! I'll have to keep my eyes open for another one now. That is genius!
Oh sure! Johns the genius! What's wrong with my snow blower concept? Jeez....  :D
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Post by: Old Greenhorn on January 02, 2023, 10:42:12 PM
Sorry FPP, I didn't see that reply and I meant no offence.  ;D  I do think there would be a lot of fab changes to make the snow blower work and get the load over the wheels. The idea of taking off the tine and putting wheels on the same shafts just struck me as very simple and effective only needing a hitch. Around here the old rototillers come up much more often than a cheap snow blower and nobody gives them away. This time of year, the sell pretty good.
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Post by: fluidpowerpro on January 02, 2023, 11:13:46 PM
Wasn't offended. Just had to give you a hard time!  :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on January 02, 2023, 11:39:09 PM
Yup!  Me too.
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Post by: rusticretreater on January 03, 2023, 12:33:58 AM
Yeah, that is a pretty cool idea.  Tillers come up all the time on craigslist.  Another project to consider.

The harbor freight dolly would not work at all on rough ground.  I have seen the tires and they are china stuff and not gonna be good for much.  You need a bigger tire diameter to make it easy to overcome rough spots.  The smaller tires would get stuck even on small branches.
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Post by: Peter Drouin on January 03, 2023, 06:55:35 AM
I do it by eye, Can level a 20' log to within an 1". Takes time to develop your eye, but you can do it.
 Good luck with your fix.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Old Greenhorn on January 03, 2023, 08:05:38 AM
Quote from: fluidpowerpro on January 02, 2023, 11:13:46 PM
Wasn't offended. Just had to give you a hard time!  :)
That's what I'm here for! ;D
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Post by: OlJarhead on January 03, 2023, 08:33:08 AM
Why is this SO SATISFYING? Doug Fir On The SAWMILL [Woodmizer LT40] - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7WoWHxCjpo)
Meanwhile, I did it AGAIN!  I'm wondering if a laser will help me adjust before doing this in the future.

It actually pisses me off royally when I see it -- I've been known to go back and look at several logs in a row when someone 'suggests' I've split the pith  ::) ;D :D :P

Truth is, it really annoys me.  I know better, shouldn't do it and then am editing a video and thinking "DanGit!  That was too close bud!"....

When I do this, I do advise the customer on it and how I'd change it (cut the beam down to FOHC 4x8 instead of 6x8 etc)...but I need to take a look at my beam making..
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Post by: Jack S on January 03, 2023, 09:45:38 AM
put a receiver on the front of your truck and it is real easy to move equipment around. I put one on the front of my tractors to move and position equipment. 
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Post by: ladylake on January 03, 2023, 10:33:42 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on January 03, 2023, 08:33:08 AM
Why is this SO SATISFYING? Doug Fir On The SAWMILL [Woodmizer LT40] - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7WoWHxCjpo)
Meanwhile, I did it AGAIN!  I'm wondering if a laser will help me adjust before doing this in the future.

It actually pisses me off royally when I see it -- I've been known to go back and look at several logs in a row when someone 'suggests' I've split the pith  ::) ;D :D :P

Truth is, it really annoys me.  I know better, shouldn't do it and then am editing a video and thinking "DanGit!  That was too close bud!"....

When I do this, I do advise the customer on it and how I'd change it (cut the beam down to FOHC 4x8 instead of 6x8 etc)...but I need to take a look at my beam making..

 In all these years and hundreds of customers I've never had anyone say anything  about the pith.  Steve
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Post by: Magicman on January 03, 2023, 11:08:05 AM
Neither have I and why should they?  It's the sawyer's job to avoid pith edged boards and to produce high quality boards/lumber.

Erik, Before you open faces, I am not seeing you establish a targeted cant within the log which will avoid pith surprises.  Each board removed should be taking you to that targeted cant.  Maybe you are, I am just not seeing it.
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on January 03, 2023, 01:43:12 PM
Eric,

That log with the rot on the end reminded me of last weeks job where at the end the customer threw a 16' poplar log on the mill and said he needed 2 each 16' 2X6's but to cut 3 so he'd have a spare. I cut a couple of flitches working down towards a 6" cant in the center then we noticed it had a couple feet of rot (which I suspect is what yours had) so they would not work for his needs but fortunately I was able to get 6" width out of the jacket boards so he got what he needed.

 Mostly we were cutting 3/4" X 8" siding boards and with some small logs so I'd throw the log on the mill, level it and saw the outer slab off 4" from the heart check then flip 180 and saw at 8" so that gave me the 8" cant with the pith/heart centered. Sometimes there was only a 5-6 inch of open face so I'd only get 5-6 clean 8" wide boards but that was all the log would make and all the customer wanted. He had a detailed cut list and when he threw the last 10' log on the loader arms he asked his grandson how many more 10' boards we needed and the GS told us "2" so that worked out to complete his cut list with 8-9 extras. He had been sweating bullets whether he had enough logs to complete his cut list/finish his project.

Anyway I was just pointing out to remember to measure from the center up as your mark to keep those boards/beams with the pith centered.

I was happy to see you cut that crooked log. I tell my customers they will get more and better lumber lots of time by cutting at the curve to straighten out the log but that only works if they can use the shorter lumber. Sometimes they just have to have 3-4 16' long 2Xs instead of 12-15 8' 2Xs. At least it is their decision and they know what to expect.

 As to splitting the heart I had a customer last year who was timberframing curved buildings at his campground and wanted the maximum yield. I explained and even showed him how they would bow if we cut the pith and when he saw the curve he said that would work perfectly for what he was doing so that's how I cut them. He made the decision and was totally happy with it.
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Post by: Crusarius on January 03, 2023, 08:13:08 PM
ONe last detour on trailer moving. I used a c-clamp and clamped a ball onto the foot board of my zero turn mower. Worked like a charm. almost to good because the trailer could now move in all directions.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on January 04, 2023, 08:11:20 AM
I think my mill is too heavy for that at 4000lbs!
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Post by: Crusarius on January 04, 2023, 09:38:06 AM
On flat ground you would probably be fine. But any hills at all and I bet it would be a wild ride :)
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on January 04, 2023, 04:56:17 PM
Cru,

   I routinely and easily move mine here at home all the time with my ATV. The little dolly I am thinking is mostly for field use where I do not have such available.  
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Crusarius on January 04, 2023, 07:50:00 PM
Those small dollies actually work really well. especially if someone is steering and someone else is pushing.
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Post by: doc henderson on January 05, 2023, 02:01:32 AM
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/51041/DA15D628-BEA0-4AEC-B83C-415DEA4A3B00.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1550112241)
 

from inside the track loader
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Post by: OlJarhead on January 06, 2023, 04:33:41 PM
Ha!  See what I did there? ;)  8) :o ;D
FOHC IT, BOX IT, Or Mill It Out - Making Beams On The #sawmill [Woodmizer LT40] - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEkjiK8tv9E)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: ladylake on January 07, 2023, 06:34:20 AM
Quote from: Magicman on January 03, 2023, 11:08:05 AM
Neither have I and why should they?  It's the sawyer's job to avoid pith edged boards and to produce high quality boards/lumber.

Erik, Before you open faces, I am not seeing you establish a targeted cant within the log which will avoid pith surprises.  Each board removed should be taking you to that targeted cant.  Maybe you are, I am just not seeing it.
I must do a bad job, most of my customers have tablesaw to cut the pith off on the one or two boards that would have it and they
would rather have me saw lumber than spend too long  piddling around trying to get it just perfect  .   steve
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: MattM on January 07, 2023, 09:16:31 AM
I think what @Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011) is saying (correct me if I'm wrong) is that when Erik opens his first two faces he's not making his first cut on each face so that he ends up with the pith centered in whatever he's cutting.

This is something I've noticed in his videos and props to Erik for even posting them, he does a great job on the production value.
But I have noticed he does alot of thin correction cuts on most logs. Sometimes you do need to do this if when you get into a log you find something wrong with it, but he does it on most logs which is a waste of a cut.

Also when you goto the center of the length of the log and then drop 1.5" to make your first face cut you arent setting up your final can't.... You end up with your pith in a random place, thus the thin cut is needed to correct things.

When you level your pith you should be doing mental math to figure out what your first cut will be to center the pith for whatever size lumber your trying to get out of that log.

For example if your pith is 10" above the deck and your trying to get 6" lumber then you should end up with a cut at 13ish inches. Then you add whatever else you need to get above that(ie 13" + 2 1/8 + 2 1/8+ 1 1/8 ect) whatever number you end up with is your first cut.

Edit:
Something I forgot to add is instead of going halfway down your log to figure out your first cut you could measure the small side once the pith is centered to figure it out. I do all this before even centering the pith which saves a boat load of time.... But I'm really good at mental math so that's easy for me to do. Some may have to measure after centering.
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Post by: OlJarhead on January 07, 2023, 10:34:03 AM
Hmmmm the progression of a sawyer on FF perhaps.

Here's what I learned here years ago:

1. Open the first face to a board width that the customer wants (ie. 4", 6" etc)
2. Open the second face the same way.
3.  Target the width or height on the 3rd face and 4th face.
4.  Since no laser and to not waste a lot of time figuring out the 1st opening face cut/ slab cut, go to center, drop 1.5" and start there.

Those things I learned here years ago -- in some cases a dozen years ago.

So it's true.

I've often thought about what MM has said "I am targeting my cant on the first cut" and thought "Hmmm...."

It's also true that I sometimes fight the pith.  I start out saying "I want this size cant", open the first face making sure I leave enough meat in the log for the opposing face.  Open the second the same way, in both cases attempting to leave an opening to allow a flitch (or flitches) if possible that will have enough meat in them to edge into useful wood.

On my 3rd face I shoot for either my width or height depending on what I'm milling.

One problem I face is customer requirements.  For example, one customer might want 2x8's that are 1 3/4 x 7 3/4 and the next wants 1 5/8 x 7 5/8 and then this one wanted 1 5/8 x 7 1/4....each one requires a different cant target and sometimes, I'll admit, I get ahead of myself and start making the wrong size.

I also find that you will either adjust the cant sooner or later.  Meaning, if you don't perfectly make ever single choice you're going to correct it somewhere.

I suspect one difference is I'm still a relative rookie compared to MM or PD, YH and Jake...heck, I'm barely scraping 200Mbf now ;)  Not an excuse, just I can see a BIG difference between me and a 2 million plus BF sawyer.

So, I have some learning to do.  I think I need to go back to the drawing board on opening the face and change my way of thinking.

I will say though, the job these videos are from was for a very high end builder (retired) and my 10th visit.  He had a door maker (and made them himself as well) so very knowledgeable (more so than me by a thousand miles).  The point?  Yes I make mistakes and yes I'm not the best sawyer out there by any stretch but on the other hand my repeat customers like what I produce (and I'm not cheap).  

Maybe I'm just lucky LOL but let me say this:

1.  I need to think long and hard on MM's point and work towards perfecting that -- and when I have that lightbulb moment I'll have to make a video and explain it.  I think my video would be about progressing from a hack sawyer to a pro ;)

2.  I appreciate ALL of the feedback!  Last time MM pointed out the pith I was a little miffed (sorry) because I work hard NOT to do that...but then on later videos I did it...and did it again.  Not like every log, not even every other log...no, but I have done it, see where I goofed and think "OK, you need to fix that bub".

One of the most challenging parts of making YT videos is excepting that your faults are going to wide out there in the open for potentially millions of people to see :)  But I'm ok with that and the reason I often point out my errors.  Only way to learn is to do something and find out what you're doing wrong and learn to fix it!

So no worries!  I'll get better :D
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Post by: MattM on January 07, 2023, 10:42:28 AM
FWIW I think you should try not to be so hard on yourself in your video commentary. I understand that as a YouTuber your going to have people point out every single mistake they think you make but you should try to ignore it. It seems like almost every video your focused on pointing out your 'mistakes'. Like your trying to beat others too it.

If someone says you did something wrong and you agree then try to do it better in the future.... If someone points out something and you think they're wrong then don't worry about what they think. The fact of the matter is you seem to be doing very well sawing for a living and have consistent business and lots of return customers.

I know that if I was a potential customer, or a current customer for any type of tradesman and I saw videos talking about all the mistakes someone made I would look elsewhere. Just my opinion. And everyone makes mistakes at some point.


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Post by: OlJarhead on January 07, 2023, 10:46:32 AM
Thanks for that.

Funny thing is, I used to write for a car magazine and my 'shtick' was to poke fun at myself.

But you're probably right.

I think for the most part it's just sawyers who point things out ;)  Heck, I've done it myself but one thing I try to do is teach others (which seems kinds arrogant maybe lol) but one way I do that is by sharing when I make mistakes and how I fix them.

I guess the key is to not make mistakes!  ::)

Funny thing though, everything I do I either learned here (mostly) or figured out on my own (less so)....so learning that what I learned here is the wrong approach, or that I didn't get the message quite right makes future messages/learning opportunities a little harder to take....

Sorta "do this"  wait, don't do that!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: WV Sawmiller on January 07, 2023, 10:53:19 AM
Eric,

   I don't understand observation #4 about the 1.5"?
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on January 07, 2023, 10:58:37 AM
   I was a software implementer for our companies maintenance management software for several years. I'd sit with the customers core group and go over options and help them decide how they wanted to set it up. (Things like Priority 1,3 or 3 or High, Medium or Low). Once we did that I would go train their users.

  One of the techniques I used was to deliberately show them how to make a mistake (Enter a wrong code or send to the wrong approver, etc.) then show them how to fix it. I felt it was a confidence builder to know that there was no mistake they could make with the system that they could not fix because it was going to happen and there was no reason to hide or deny it.

   That may not be true when sawing because if we screw up a log all we can do is salvage the best we can but we learn not to do it on the next one.
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Post by: OlJarhead on January 07, 2023, 11:08:21 AM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on January 07, 2023, 10:53:19 AM
Eric,

  I don't understand observation #4 about the 1.5"?
Go to the center of the log, check the height with the mill scale, come back and drop 1.5" and go.
I was taught that here years ago.  The idea was that you spend very little time choosing the opening face vs. the guy who's measuring the pith and small end diameter and where it sits after lifting and then starting from a calculation they make from that.
I learned (from someone here but cant recall whom) to just take the ave of the log (height at centerish) and come back and drop 1.5" (or less or more depending on bark thickness etc) and start opening the log there (you can see me doing it in videos that go back years now -- like this one from 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXbZ2V4rhcU
In those days I was told the first face should be opened to leave enough of a 'face' to make a board out of it.  By doing this method you've pretty much always got that.
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Post by: barbender on January 07, 2023, 12:19:29 PM
I sight my logs with the dragback and blade, with 2 points of reference it becomes similar to a gunsite. However, I'm not good to within 1" on a 20' log like Peter. I don't trust myself so I'll walk down and measure with a tape. A low tech idea I had for more accuracy was an inch scale at the end of the mill. Say your at 20" on your mill scale, sight the blade to the 20" mark at the far end and you'd know exactly where you'd be at.
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on January 07, 2023, 01:12:15 PM
Eric,

   I know I'm dense at times but I guess I'm not following the rationale to find the center then go to the top of the log and come down 1.5". ??? Whey not just start 1.5" from the top of the log?

   If I want to make a certain size cant or beam I will go to the center then come up half the thickness of the planned cant/beam and saw to that point saving any usable flitches I can use then flip 180 and start so I end on the cant/beam thickness.
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Post by: OlJarhead on January 07, 2023, 01:28:58 PM
Using a laser will fix all that me thinks...when you can see it.

The thing is, using the 1.5" method has worked well for me and I understand it well enough to adjust it.  It's faster than other methods I think; other than the first where you are measuring the pith, but then you are going to raise or lower the pith on one end most times so no, it's faster.

1. Center Pith
2. Run down to the middle of the log, drop the head, raise the head, come back, drop ~1.5" from the middle height you just found and go.

The mistake I made was concentrating too much on that without thinking about what MM has said...I need to add:

3.  Adjust accordingly for the desired CANT size.

Now, if it's hooks to the right and you are making studs You are setting CANT Width.  So, if the log is big enough to mill two 6" beams out of it (or cants if you will) then plan to drop to whatever is double the desired width plus the kerf (this is basically what I do starting on cut 3 not 1 but I see MM's point.

So, for 5 5/8" lumber I need to drop to what will leave me 5 5/8" + 1/8" + 5 5/8" (11 3/8") plus something close to 1" or better....so let's take an 17" log SED.  It will net around 11.33" give or take so lets call it 11 3/8.

The first cut needs to be somewhere around half the remainder (18" - 11 3/8" = 6 5/8" so you need the first cut to be around 18" - (6 5/8" / 2) = 14 5/8" roughly.

Or simply take half of the remaining amount of log diameter left after pulling the cant out of the middle (so half of what's left in 18 inches after removing the cant -- make it easier, 18 - 12 = 6 to take about 3")....

So let's examine that (can you tell I worked too long as a technician/engineer?)...

If the log is 18" SED then it's probably somewhere around 19" in the middle (give or take)....if I run down to the middle and get 19" and come back and drop to 17 1/2" I'll end up around 17" at the small end.

Now I've opened a face of at least 4 inches, maybe 6 though most of the log.  I can take a 1x or 2x here if I want.  If I take a 2x now I'll be at 15" (which is darn close to what I needed above)....

Next I roll 90* and do it again (assuming all things equal I'm making my last cut around 15").

3rd 90* roll....I'm starting at 15" at the small end, I drop the toe board if it was up (which lowers me possibly to 14"), since face one was hooks to the right so too is face 3 and I'm milling width for studs so they face bend and don't crown (that's the idea anyway), so I mill down to 11 3/8" and split the CANT.

The mistake I make here which is the reason for all this, is that I sometimes fail to account for the pith because all the math in the world doesn't matter if the pith ends up where you don't want it and you split it.  In this case if it's split it will take out two 2x6's.

To prevent this I usually measure the pith before making my final cut on the 3rd face and usually that's where I'll make a 'skim cut' to adjust and stick the pith elsewhere (boxed into one piece ideally).... I've run an entire weekend without hitting it once ;)  But then some weekends my mind is just not working...on this last job I had to write numbers on the simple set cover to remind myself what to look for and still missed now and again.

LOL

So I'd have to add one more step:  

4:  Before opening the 3rd face or 4th face, measure the pith and adjust the first cut / slab cut to allow moving the pith up or down in the cant to box it in.

Ya?
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Post by: OlJarhead on January 07, 2023, 01:31:30 PM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on January 07, 2023, 01:12:15 PM
Eric,

  I know I'm dense at times but I guess I'm not following the rationale to find the center then go to the top of the log and come down 1.5". ??? Whey not just start 1.5" from the top of the log?

  If I want to make a certain size cant or beam I will go to the center then come up half the thickness of the planned cant/beam and saw to that point saving any usable flitches I can use then flip 180 and start so I end on the cant/beam thickness.
Going down to the middle of the log (in length, down the mill) and then finding the height/top of the log at that point gives you a reference for the average height or diamter of the log.  Draw back to the start and drop 1.5" from that height.
You might be two inches from the top of the big end and 1" from the top of the small end but will have a good opening face.
What you do from there is the trick.
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Post by: OlJarhead on January 07, 2023, 01:40:24 PM
So what was I doing different from MM?  Other than making mistakes  :o ::) :P

Instead of starting with the desired cant width or height in mind (though I have it in mind already) I am worried more about the opening face and what I'll get below it.

However, on face 3 I'm now trying to finish off the cant width or height (same as MM actually)....

What I have done wrong is not adjust the pith then and there.  Sometimes I do, sometimes I do it later (when I realized it's not where I want it)...sometimes I just mess up LOL

I have on occasion (rarely) set the width in two by rolling 180 and milling to width, then 90 and 180 and working to height but that method I only use when I am darn sure I need to be perfectly set in width and the log is barely going to give it (meaning maybe a 14" SED log that I must get 10" lumber out of with no wane....I'll open the face to 10" SE, flip 180, open to 10" then rotate 90 and begin working to my height -- You won't get a 10x10 cant but you may get an 8x10 cant that way.  It's slower but I've been able to 'sneak' out 2x10's from a log that only wants to give a few doing that :D
 
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Post by: ladylake on January 07, 2023, 01:48:13 PM
 
No too many on here get everything done perfect no matter how much extra time it takes.   Steve
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Post by: MattM on January 07, 2023, 01:53:56 PM
I have to disagree with you about the 1.5"  method being faster.

Your already measuring both ends for the pith height so the only extra measurement you need to take is how high the small end is from the pith to the top of the log. I take this measurement when I take the pith center point measurement.

Once I have this measurement I do some math in my head for what I want to cut and determine with my laser eye  ;D how far below the top of my log I need to cut to get the width of lumber I need. For me all of this takes about 2 seconds. But that's only because I've been doing it for years. You definitely have to train your brain in order for it to just come natural.

I also have my brain trained to figure out how much the big end is going to drop of it isn't sitting exactly on a bunk when I lift my small end. This saves having to measure multiple times when I center my pith. For example if the big end is overhanging a bunk by 6 inches and I have to lift the small end 5 inchs, that might drop the big end 1inch. So I only lift the small end 4.5 to compensate. (Fyi These are all just random #s I made up)

When I Mill with the pith centered it is always within a 1/4 inch end to end with this method which makes some very strong construction lumber.

I also measure the pith on my first two opening cuts. With the trees I Mill I've found that even if the pith seems centered it's usually not and I like it to be centered in both planes. I find grain that is angled even a half inch over 8-16ft does not make stong building lumber.

There are exceptions to all this depending on the log I'm milling and the lumber I'm milling.
;D
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Post by: MattM on January 07, 2023, 01:55:42 PM
Quote from: ladylake on January 07, 2023, 01:48:13 PM

No too many on here get everything done perfect no matter how much extra time it takes.   Steve
Something else to remember as well is that 99% of us on here aren't uploading videos for the world to see.... Very easy for us all to criticize others when everyone can't see what we Mill like  :)
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on January 07, 2023, 07:09:29 PM
Eric,

   Thanks for the clarification. I was thinking diameter not length. 

    I will sometimes measure the little end and estimate the height at which I will get a useable face and saw to that height.
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Post by: Ljohnsaw on January 07, 2023, 07:29:35 PM
OK, I'll chime in here.  Re: what to do with the pith.  Totally manual mill with my SkyTrak being the hydraulics and 12 ton pump jacks being my toe board lifts ;)

I'm milling big, long stuff and rolling is quite the ordeal - run a sling around the log and *gently* lift with the SkyTrak while pulling or pushing so when it goes, it doesn't smash into the uprights/backstops and tip everything over.

So, I try to do all I can with minimum flipping.  I center the pith and layout whatever big stuff I want out of that log.  Lately I try to box the pith in a minimum piece of lumber.  That does two things, the pith centered piece, being smaller, will have smaller checks and, second, I get more/bigger things that are FOH that will check very little. 

Once I determine the top of whatever will contain the pith, I set my blade there.  Sometimes I will do a scratch cut just to remind myself so I don't screw up later ;)  I'll "zero" my scale on that cut on the scale for what I'm cutting above.  Might be a 4x6, 2x or 1x.  Then I raise the head to the next increment, or 2 or 3 that gives me a good opening face.  Make those cuts and continue down to my scratch cut.  I might switch scales (re-zeroing) more than once in this process.  Removing all those slabs makes turning easier.

Then I decide if I'm going to do a 180° or just a 90°.  That will depend on how the timbers line up.  Sometimes I have to do a 90° to clear off some big slabs for timbers that don't line up with the center timber.  Then flip 180° and repeat.  Takes extra time but I get extra lumber.  Here is an example:

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/30640/CutExample.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1673136817)
 I need a bunch of 8x12s from this 40" log.  So I plan on making an 8x8 from the center and want the grain "balanced" in the timbers to try and keep them straight.  The top and bottom 8x12 could have been rotated 90° so all four would be the same but that complicates the cutting even more.  I would mark the top of the centered 8x8, zero the 8" scale, go up one unit, re-zero the 4" scale, go up 1 unit and cut.  Or I might cut some 1x material above that if the log taper lets me.  Then I cut back down including cutting below the center 8x8 removing all the slabs.  Flip and remove the 4x slab, rotate and slice off the timbers.

Then put the other, big, heavy slabs back on the mill, stand them up and edge them and cut multiple smaller timbers from them, recovering a lot of 4x6 stock for braces and girts.  Or maybe make rafters or ?

If I centered the 8x12 on the pith, then I would have a pair of 8x8 that would be great but at the expense of the single 8x12 that WILL check heavily rather than a pair of 8x12 that MIGHT check lightly.

It took me a while to learn this ::)

And just to keep it interesting, sometimes the log just says, NO, I'm not going to let you get that out of me!  Maybe stress, or grain pulling the blade down and I have to do a skim cut to true it up and figure out what I can now salvage from the log.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on January 08, 2023, 11:52:14 AM
I think my problem is I just haven't made the transition from trying to produce more in less time, to slowing down, tackling each log as it comes, not making mistakes and still producing more in less time ;)
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Post by: YellowHammer on January 08, 2023, 01:16:54 PM
There will always be misses, it happens.  But it's important to plan the cuts with the final cant size in mind, within reason.  Look ahead based on your experience.  I call it developing a "pattern cant" because 90% of the time, there's only so many realistic permutations or "patterns" of standard size lumber that can be taken from one.  So in my minds eye, I scan the cant like a scanner and try to visualize the patterns and the cuts before ever doing the opening face.  Like chess, I try to play 3 moves or more ahead.  There are only so many pieces of side wood that can come off before the cant is either "on pattern" or not.  That's when defects in the log can crop up but for this post I'm assuming a cylindrical log.

I also memorize the major reoccurring patterns I cut including kerf losses (just like memorizing multiplication tables) and use them as possible sawing alternatives as I visualize the log. These should also be programmed into the Accuset.  

Also use the components of the sawmill as rulers or measuring devices to keep from having to slow down and use a tape measure.  For example, how high are your backstops at full extension?  (I marked mine in inches on my old LT40, and know how high the scratch marks are on my current LT70 backstops.  What diameter are your backstop rollers?  How wide are your toeboards?  How high will the the toeboards go above the bed in inches?  I love my dragback fingers, they are basically dangling rulers and I know exactly how long they are.  I know the heights on my backstops, the max height of my log clamp above the bed, the thickness of the clamp head, the diameter of the backstop roller, etc, they all give me eyeball references so I can "measure up a log" pretty accurately and quickly as I roll the log on the mill and manipulate it before the first cut.  Traversing the dragback fingers forward and backward over the log as already mentioned tells me how parallel the upper side of the log is when adjusting my toe boards, as well as comparing the space between their ends and the upright back stops, which also will give me an idea of the far end diameter of the log, without ever leaving the console.  Of course, using the band position on Accuset will also give me an exact measurement, but that is slower.  After a few logs of the day, my eye will get better and each log of the day gets visualized easier and faster using the components of the sawmill for references.    

I use my Accuset Bed and Pattern mode a lot, and have many patterns already input into them, along with half cuts and common combinations if I need them.  It will take lots patterns, more than I've ever needed.

Two quick examples.  Say I'm sawing true 4"x4" stock, I know that I need to get to a minimum pattern cant that's 12.25" thick on one dimension with the pith 6 inches off the bed.  Those are the two measurements I need to target on that thickness, and I take off side wood to get there.  So I need to visualize 12 inches and 6 inches and to target a cant thickness where I can use Accuset Pattern Mode and make two easy drops to get three 4" thick boards with a centered pith in the middle one, including kerf loss.  The pattern that's in my head is also already programmed into Accuset, in this case, it's pattern 4A.  I can do whatever I want on the dimension on the other thickness of the cant as long as I don't get less than 12.25" on the first dimension.  Sometimes, as I'm sawing the other dimension, I remain flexible, because a straight board should have the cathedral pattern centered in the board along it's length, more so than on the ends.  

Or, say I'm sawing high dollar walnut into 8/4 live edge and 4/4 edged wood where waste is not acceptable, including splitting the pith on two $400 walnut 8/4 walnut slabs.  Ouch!  So, I have the Accuset drops on my 8/4 boards set at 2-3/8" because I know I can kiln dry them at that thickness and clean them up to a consistent 2 inches.  However, of equal importance, a 2-3/8" drop is an exact multiple of my 4/4 board drop at 1-1/8" thick plus kerf.  So one 8/4 drop drop is 2-3/8" and two 4/4 drops also equals 2-3/8" or any combinations of patterns involving them - they are all multiples of each other.  So as I'm sawing down, I can make adjustments on the fly, and never get out of pattern, or at least have plan B if I have to.  The closer I get to the pith or other defects, I can do combination of 4/4 and 8/4 drops to try to contain the defect in as few boards as possible.

I apologize is these examples are too simplistic, and certainly it gets more complicated, but after all, its just sawing wood and you are doing fine.      
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on January 08, 2023, 04:55:56 PM
I always establish my target cant within the log and generally make a red mark.  I go up by board thicknesses from that mark to determine my opening face.  The target width determines my opening face height, not the log.  The log determines my second face opening, the targeted cant width determines the third, and the log determines the fourth face opening.

There are never any surprises nor oops regarding the pith because it will always be centered within the center or single cant.  I will take a log down to one center cant rather than try to squeeze a second cant out.  I am always sawing one or three cants.  It may require edging a few more boards but the pain is worth the gain. 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on January 10, 2023, 09:25:33 AM
CRAZY DRIVE, BIG LOGS, REMOTE LOCATIONI, What's Not To Love?? [Woodmizer LT40 Sawmill] - YouTube (https://youtu.be/tfthUzBCQV8)
I have to admit this location has been fun but. ot the road in and out!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on January 10, 2023, 11:33:08 AM
Congratulations on a good job well done Erik and thank you my friend for sharing. 

I will agree that I have never finished a job that I was unhappy to leave.  It's in the rear view mirror and the future is in the headlights.  ;D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on January 10, 2023, 11:43:51 AM
Thanks. I hated leaving without milling all the logs but with no help it is what it is lol
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on January 10, 2023, 01:33:32 PM
I will add that this customer has been good to me and keeps adding logs ro the deck and calling me back.  I'm pretty certain he's selling much of the lumber as it dissappears pretty quickly after I mill it up.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: WV Sawmiller on January 10, 2023, 05:19:32 PM
  I do love sawing for a good repeat customer. I will admit feeling a pucker as you made that turn kind of like sawing a final board and 3/4" dog board under my blade. smiley_curtain_peek

   On the flip side how many times have you watched that pile of logs and mentally you were done on that last log only to have the customer come drag up another log or two he had staged behind the barn or run grab his saw and even cut down another tree and saw another 3-4 logs out of it.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: MattM on January 10, 2023, 06:44:23 PM
Erik I was just wondering, what are you using for a backup camera?
I've had a few the past couple of years but had to return most of them because the picture would cut out. And the one I have now worked good...for a year ... But bit the dust this fall. Yours looks like it gets goot reception even with the camper in the way. Is it a amazon one? Or one of those really expensive models?
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on January 10, 2023, 07:09:48 PM
Ahhh yes the customer says 12 logs, you show up and there is 30, mile 29 and 3 more suddenly arrive from the tree he just fell and your day just got longer!!! lol

I'll have to look up the camera as I was happy with it...lol but um, it's not working now though it may just be a loose wire or something.   If it's something simple I'll let ya know.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on January 13, 2023, 02:55:59 PM
I'm going to abuse these two saws!
RYOBI 38CC CHAINSAW VS ECHO DSC5000: Which One Is The Best? - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX35A2pdDvA)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: WV Sawmiller on January 13, 2023, 03:46:13 PM
   I'm thinking the electric are going to be better saws for trimming limbs and such around the yard and along fencerows and such but I can't believe I could keep enough batteries charged to be productive on sawing a lot of big hard logs.

   I bought a new EFCO gas saw 2 day ago to replace my Stihl 440 which has been in the shop more the last 6 months than in use. It has had a lot of hard use and maybe it has done all I should have expected it to do. I ordered a 24" bar and it came the next day so that is a confidence booster.
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Post by: OlJarhead on January 13, 2023, 04:04:30 PM
Not big stuff but for what it was designed I'd say the Echo is a keeper.  With two 5AH batteries it will run as long as I can run it and still have half a battery left ;)  But then, I'm no pro and out of shape LOL

Still, on one battery I can run a long time, with a lot of cuts on smaller stuff and I really like that it's ready to go immediately, no warm up, no fuel up, just make sure the oil is topped off and it's ready to go (with a full charge).  So, when needing to buck limbs or knobs off a log on the sawmill, it wins big time there in my book ;)

Plus, I guess over time it will even out since you don't have to buy fuel and I buy premix these days.  I want the best fuel in my big saw (I mixed my own for years and still will for my 455 but for the 572 I run premix).  Either way, the Echo has it's place!

I need to touch bases with Husqvarna again as we were discussing a head to head between their saw and the Echo and I believe theirs has some better features (cooling is way better) so it would be good one.

I've seen the DeWalt both in person and in videos and it performs well against all the others though last year this Echo edged it out in cutting power.  Also, the DeWalt has plastic nubs for bucking teeth/rakers vs the steel on the Echo.  I just wish the Echo teeth were sharper (points) but I can fix that lol
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on January 14, 2023, 01:02:22 PM
Live With The Old Jarhead - Q&A time, anything goes! Ask away! - YouTube (https://youtube.com/live/L3s7P5prGJY?feature=share)
I'm crazy, I know, but I'll be live from the office for anyone interested.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on January 15, 2023, 01:55:45 PM
After the live today I'm tossing out a bonus video :D
Ugly Little Pines On The Sawmill? Why? [Woodmizer LT40] - YouTube (https://youtu.be/bLOral0urlg)

Why bonus?  Because normally I don't get the opportunity to get another video out so soon!
Cheers
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on January 17, 2023, 09:23:57 AM
https://youtu.be/RvV7C-R2QWA
Sawdust for Tuesday 😉

Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on January 17, 2023, 07:17:00 PM
Ya got me thinking...

If mill prices remain stable on the used market I could probably get what? $40k for my LT40....in a tears?

At $56k fir an LT50 optioned the way I want it I'd only need to kick in $16k

Course, my mill might only sell for half that too lol....

Still have to admit it's tempting 

Any real difference in portability with the 50 vs the 40?
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on January 17, 2023, 07:26:15 PM
meanwhile it looks like my hydraulics issue may be the contact block...have to more testing but ordered a new one anyway. 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: GAB on January 17, 2023, 07:42:20 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on January 17, 2023, 07:26:15 PM
meanwhile it looks like my hydraulics issue may be the contact block...have to more testing but ordered a new one anyway.
I suggest you take the entire contact block assembly off and check all portions of the assembly, especially the spring to make sure it hasn't lost its K factor.  Note: If you leave the head in a location where the contact block is contacting the copper strip for extended periods of time it can degrade the assembly, especially the spring.
I changed most of that assembly to regain hydraulics and the copper strip arcing ceased.
GAB
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: WV Sawmiller on January 17, 2023, 07:46:46 PM
  I will be interested in the comparison to the LT40 VS LT50. I know the LT 50 has the chain turner which goes forward or backward. Looks like the LT50 is about 470 lbs heavier but I did not see the tongue weight listed in the specs. Looks like they both have the same cut specs.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on January 18, 2023, 01:18:27 PM
Wish I'd read thus before ordering the block as I could have ordered a spring too.

Makes sense since I am guilty of leaving the millbhead over the strip in the past.  Often for long periods.

Though one would imagine it's like a magazine spring which used to do that (weaken) but modern metals are much better and not impacted the same way.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on January 19, 2023, 01:24:46 PM
The new block came with springs 😀
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on January 20, 2023, 01:38:47 PM
PONDEROSA PINE: How To Mill 1x4's Of Pine On The Sawmill - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b93YZFDgTiQ)
Meanwhile, I continue to make battens and trim for the customer up north.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on January 27, 2023, 01:40:50 PM
Yup, I did that....
Milling Remote & Doing Something Different On The SAWMILL! - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuRBwWR0RXE)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on January 27, 2023, 04:30:47 PM
And while I'm at it, I'm doing a LIVE this Sunday at 6PM Pacific for those interested!
LIVE With The Old Jarhead! - YouTube (https://youtube.com/live/5gG-RfLXIgI?feature=share)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Dan R on January 30, 2023, 02:05:52 AM
Eric,
Watched your Chat on YouTube after it was posted. Very good.
Thanks Dan
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on January 30, 2023, 07:55:08 AM
Hey thanks!  It was fun! ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on February 03, 2023, 02:53:14 PM
Ya I had to fix that!  DOH!
Sawmilling Pine And This Happened! #sawmill #woodmizer - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhh-ZzJPJVI)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: WV Sawmiller on February 03, 2023, 05:49:53 PM
Eric,

   I was not following - did you adjust the height of the up/down chain or just move the pointer?

   I usually check the little pointer on every mobile job. After I make my first cut and flip the log 180 degrees I just barely kiss the end of the log with the moving blade then step back and measure from the bottom of the log to the cut then adjust my pointer to that mark as that is the actual height it is cutting. It is rarely off over 1/8" if that and all I have to do is use the Phillips blade on my Leatherman handy-tool to loosen and retighten the 2 little screws holding the pointer. As you mention the boards cut using the SimpleSet will be spot on but the bottom board is the one affected. Of course it can affect the cant thickness and mess up a lot of boards if you don't catch it early enough.

   On the sawdust I always remind the customer it makes great oil spill medium if they do any small engine work or oil changes or such and often they will grab a garbage bag or bucket full for that purpose. I found long ago if I spill my ATF lube bottle or such I can just grab a handful of sawdust and throw it on the spill or use it to wipe my hands clean.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: fluidpowerpro on February 04, 2023, 12:57:50 AM
OJ, sorry to change the subject but a while back you mentioned that you would be testing a laser on your mill and reporting your findings. I've been looking forward to hearing from you on that. Did you do the test?
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on February 04, 2023, 12:56:59 PM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on February 03, 2023, 05:49:53 PM
Eric,

  I was not following - did you adjust the height of the up/down chain or just move the pointer?

  
Challenges of filming production ;)  I moved the scale assembly up to adjust it close enough to adjust the pointer.  I find the pointer doesn't seem to move enough to adjust more than a 1/16th" or so.
And ya, it can mess up the cant.  Only good thing here is it made the cant wider on one when splitting.  So two 4" cants ended up being 4" and ~4 3/32"  :o
Honestly, I have no idea how it got bumped up!  Weird.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on February 04, 2023, 01:01:34 PM
Quote from: fluidpowerpro on February 04, 2023, 12:57:50 AM
OJ, sorry to change the subject but a while back you mentioned that you would be testing a laser on your mill and reporting your findings. I've been looking forward to hearing from you on that. Did you do the test?
Sorry for the delay!  At first I thought I was going to get it done a LOT sooner.  Than, like Engines, WM had backordered some of the brackets....then I got the brackets but should have been more specific about what I needed (I guess)...no hardware -- which is fine I can get it.
One of the brackets doesn't work (the guard over the laser and is too smal -- what gives WM?) as it doesn't fit over the laser bracket that THEY sent me.  One of them, the main mount, is too tight to the rail and I will need to figure that out -- maybe I can bend it in the vise enough to clear the rail, only need a few thou.
If I can get all that sorted I'll get the laser installed finally!  Then I plan to use it on a big maple I quartered in the beginning of winter/late fall.  And since it will be sunny, we'll see how this one works in the sun!
Meanwhile, I'm also working on my hydraulics and hope to finally have that fixed this weekend (maybe both done).
Unfortunately I took a job in Nov which made it hard to get back on the mill much!  I had plenty of footage of milling in the summer and fall to keep my YT channel going but not enough time to get the mill sorted out -- it's been a challenge!
No excuses right? lol but I do hope they decide my contracting service is TOO expensive, say in April ;) so I can get back to doing what I want to do :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on February 04, 2023, 04:39:10 PM
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20230204_132530.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1675546700)
 
New Apinex laser....been a little challenging so far lol
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: fluidpowerpro on February 05, 2023, 02:34:40 PM
Didn't mean to be a pest. Glad to see that your making progress and will look forward to your report about it's performance in the sun.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on February 05, 2023, 03:29:15 PM
Not a pest at all! 😉
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: WV Sawmiller on February 05, 2023, 07:11:16 PM
   My fear here is the laser will work perfectly but only in low light so Eric will become the only known night-time only portable sawyer on the FF. :D :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on February 05, 2023, 11:14:46 PM
https://youtu.be/q-C9zYsk0yw
Meanwhile I finally finished this video feom the winter dunes run ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on February 06, 2023, 08:17:20 AM
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/Screenshot_2023-02-06_045708.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1675689287)
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/Screenshot_2023-02-06_045525.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1675689287)
 
Those are quick Screen grabs from BEFORE I blew up the 12vdc to 3.3v converter :(

My old eyes didn't see the IN R/B and the OUT Y/B and I didn't have any instructions with the laser to warn me....

I hooked it up laser R/B to converter R/B and then Y/B to mill power and ground and it worked!  But something happened and it tripped a breaker.  I dug into it, looked online, saw the IN and OUT finally (which are on the converter) and promptly BLEW UP -- ok melted/fried -- the converter when I reversed the wiring.

I'm thinking I had it right at the start maybe but am investigating.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: GAB on February 06, 2023, 11:14:00 AM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on February 05, 2023, 07:11:16 PM
  My fear here is the laser will work perfectly but only in low light so Eric will become the only known night-time only portable sawyer on the FF. :D :D
Sorry, but I think that that title belongs to Bandmill Bandit.
GAB
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Andries on February 06, 2023, 11:24:23 AM
Quote from: GAB on February 06, 2023, 11:14:00 AM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on February 05, 2023, 07:11:16 PMMy fear here is the laser will work perfectly but only in low light so Eric will become the only known night-time only portable sawyer on the FF. :D :D
Sorry, but I think that that title belongs to Bandmill Bandit.
GAB
Agreed, but BBandit lives where there is only five hours of daylight for 9 wintery months of the year - so it's an operational necessity. 
Take it easy on us Glaciated Guys, ok?  :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on February 06, 2023, 12:44:25 PM
lol we're finally getting some sun!  I comes up after I get ti work and is down when I get home but that will change!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: GAB on February 06, 2023, 04:16:28 PM
Quote from: Andries on February 06, 2023, 11:24:23 AM
Quote from: GAB on February 06, 2023, 11:14:00 AM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on February 05, 2023, 07:11:16 PMMy fear here is the laser will work perfectly but only in low light so Eric will become the only known night-time only portable sawyer on the FF. :D :D
Sorry, but I think that that title belongs to Bandmill Bandit.
GAB
Agreed, but BBandit lives where there is only five hours of daylight for 9 wintery months of the year - so it's an operational necessity.
Take it easy on us Glaciated Guys, ok?  :D
Dear Andries:
Last Friday and Saturday we had what the weather people here called a polar vortex.  Never heard that term growing up.  I think someone either Canadian or American failed to do their job and we really got whacked with some of your glaciation weather.  Personally, if you do not mind, I'd appreciate it if you kept it, however I can understand your desire to share it.
Gerald
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on February 06, 2023, 04:19:28 PM
lol we used to just call that a 'cold front'   but that won't due today.

Incidentally the vortex does not and cannot move.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on February 07, 2023, 09:17:16 AM
https://youtu.be/9jZKs_KNIiE
Gloves were hurt in the making of this video lol
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on February 07, 2023, 09:50:28 AM
Thanks Erik.

Gloves are one item of the Personal Safety Equipment (PSE) That I always wear.  No exceptions....Always.

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Cap, safety glasses, ear plugs, dust mask, gloves, leather apron, & safety toe boots.
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Post by: OlJarhead on February 07, 2023, 01:30:35 PM
One Million Views!!!
https://youtube.com/shorts/SrrpZUkAjUM?feature=share
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Post by: Magicman on February 07, 2023, 01:42:30 PM
Coiling and uncoiling blades is part of the job and shows the customer professionalism.  Of course you can always turn your head a bit so the customer will not see the smirk on your face.   :D
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Post by: OlJarhead on February 12, 2023, 11:05:09 PM
Funny, coiling a band isn't part of my operation because I prefer flat packs!  But subscribers asked that I get WM to doing thus.

That video now has 2.8 Million views. Crazy.

Meanwhile we took a break and enjoyed the cabin 😀

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Post by: doc henderson on February 13, 2023, 09:11:20 AM
nice job.  I have heard the expression, "hair on fire".  I had never seen it before, and that must be where you get your energy from. :D

what is the door looking thing to the right of the steps on the porch?
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Post by: OlJarhead on February 13, 2023, 09:22:17 AM
😆  Hair on fire Indeed!

That thing to the right of the steps is a pop can solar heater I made.  It worked so well it vaporized the insulation I used and I'll have to rebuild it lol.

I made it to help keep the batteries warm in the winter.
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Post by: OlJarhead on February 13, 2023, 02:11:40 PM
Oh and I got this one out Friday!
https://youtu.be/LLp_7ADz0TM

Did you know that about Flagstaff.
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Post by: OlJarhead on February 17, 2023, 02:06:45 PM
Fight forest fires?  What???

So The Neighbors Walk Up And Hire My SAWMILL! [Woodmizer LT40] - YouTube (https://youtu.be/BCbqevyy9xE)
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Post by: OlJarhead on February 21, 2023, 12:46:48 PM
It's just how I roll 😉
https://youtu.be/kocxhf34fas
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on February 21, 2023, 09:09:26 PM
Eric,

 Nice video. I probably cut more 180 rolls than 90 but I do not disagree with anything you said. I am  typically trying to get the widest boards I can or a certain predetermined width. I make the first cut, usually cut a flitch or two flip 180 and repeat. If I see one face is going to be significantly wider than the other (remember logs are never perfectly round) I'll flip back to the first face to try to even the face widths as much as reasonable. When I start my cut on face #3 I start on a predetermined mark so I end on the desired width for my finished boards without having to make a trim cut to get there.

  Remember - Sides 1& 3 determine how wide your finished cant/boards will be. Sides 2&4 determine how many boards you get.

  I always considered 2 flats on a log as a cant too.
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Post by: OlJarhead on February 21, 2023, 11:41:26 PM
Hey Thanks.  I agree and do the same thing some time (which of course, I did in the video) But I choose the side for height or width based on movement and sweep.  If making rafters I may put some crown I. them vs studs .use not crown.
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Post by: OlJarhead on February 22, 2023, 10:09:32 AM
Quarter Sawing a BIG Douglas Fir [Wood Mizer LT40] - YouTube (https://youtu.be/dGwsApxPFgg)
This was the craziest log I ever tried to quarter saw!  I think I did ok lol but it was tough!!!
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Post by: OlJarhead on February 23, 2023, 05:54:27 PM
Live with The Old Jarhead! - YouTube (https://youtube.com/live/mHM9v2miky0?feature=share)
FYI for those bored enough to listen to me blather LOL  I'll be doing this live Sunday

I'm also considering a give-away of some 'Old JarHead' Merch after reaching 10,000 subs!
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Post by: OlJarhead on February 24, 2023, 04:40:30 PM
https://youtu.be/XPHg7nOHyJE

Can you hear it?  I'm back!  Back in Black!
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 01, 2023, 12:34:32 PM
Well shoot!  The Hydraulics Saga continues.

What started as a "replace the hydraulic filter and top off the oil" plan and progressed on to a "replace the contact block" plan has now escalated to a "pull the pump motor and replace the brushes" plan.

Of course, not having time during the week to work on the mill is hampering me a LOT.  I'll have to start digging into it this weekend and hope I can get the motor out, cleaned up and torn down for their arrival...and hope that replacing the brushes will be all I need to do to get my hydraulics back up to snuff.

Let's hope it doesn't take too much blood and sweat either lol :o ;D think_not
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 01, 2023, 01:32:28 PM
OK Did some reading in response to @barbenders reply to me on another thread...I'm wondering if you might be right?  Seems like an easy (maybe not so) way to check would be to slip a thin feeler guage between the switch and the rod/cams?? and see if that makes a difference?  I'll have to see if that changes things.  And I'll have to post a vid of exactly what I'm hearing in case that helps down the road -- in fact, I have a vid I'm editing now that will do that I think.
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Post by: SawyerTed on March 01, 2023, 01:36:03 PM
Try adjusting one micro switch and see it that helps that hydraulic circuit.  It takes just a few minutes and opening the hydraulic box takes most of it.  Plus it's free besides the time.  
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 01, 2023, 01:50:54 PM
Thanks -- since the box is already open and the mill is in the shop I'm at least ahead of the game :D

After doing everything else I'll admit, I was disappointed that it didn't make a difference but at least I know it's done...if I can get away with adjusting the microswitch I might be happier :D

At first, I thought it wouldn't be that since ALL of the switches do it, regardless of direction (up or down) but then after reading some it sounds like all of the hyd switches activate a rod that kicks the microswitch to kick on the pump motor.

What I find odd is that I do have SOME hydraulics when it's whining at me....and then it engages fully and life is good and they work fine....it's only when it starts to whine that things go south...usually after some fiddling with switches or insisting they do something it starts up and gets things moving.
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Post by: barbender on March 01, 2023, 03:47:10 PM
Jarhead, I believe there is an overall adjustment on the end of the rod where it contacts the microswitch. Then there are individual ones for each function. 

Try this- take a screwdriver and engage the microswitch. That should turn your pump motor on, with no load and no function engaged. See if that sounds like the same sound you are experiencing.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 01, 2023, 04:31:20 PM
Thanks!  I'll try that as soon as I can get to the mill! (this going back to work thing is cutting into my sawmill maintenance time!)  :snowball:
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 01, 2023, 09:36:59 PM
Hydraulics Issue - YouTube (https://youtube.com/shorts/gnWloUCUKeg?feature=share)

ok, pushing with my fingers on the microswitch gives the sound I am talking about.

A little later I move one of the levers a bunch and it starts working so you can hear the difference. This, us the problem I'm having.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 02, 2023, 09:18:48 AM
Thoughts?  Is it just out of adjustment?  Is the pump coming on before a lever is moved far enough?

Only confusing part is why it doesn't work fine once the valve opens up enough to let fluid flow?  I would think it would whine a second and then get going vs what I have now which can take a minute to get these working.  Like it's not building up pressure?
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Post by: barbender on March 02, 2023, 10:20:30 AM
 Hmm. It's hard for me to tell what's going on in the video. The first part sounds normal, the second one sounds like it is going over relief, like if you lifted the loader arms to the end of the travel and didn't let off the lever for instance.

 Even if the microswitch is out of adjustment and the motor engages prematurely, once you open the valve all the way that function should work immediately.

 I think you have something going on, on the hydraulic side, not your electric motor. Does your mill have a hydraulic guage mounted inside the hydraulic box? It would be useful for troubleshooting.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 02, 2023, 10:56:06 AM
Interesting.

No gauge inside the box (or lights like Lynn has -- I need to do that I think).

I could do another short that gives a better example where you can hear when it goes over (I hit the up switch and at the end of travel it sounds different) which might help...give me a sec....
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 02, 2023, 10:58:34 AM
Hydraulics issue - YouTube (https://youtube.com/shorts/37JMySIVy9Q?feature=share)

OK -- here is the full 36 seconds of me pushing on the microswitch and then moving to a lever and running it until the hydraulics starts working.  At one point I think it was the loader and it was bottomed out so it screamed at me a little.

When the pump runs and all is well (or seemingly) you'll here it.  It's aways sounded like that (when it sounds normal to me is at around 3/4 into the video.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 02, 2023, 11:05:26 AM
Thanks @barbender (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=1286) maybe @MartyParsons (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=1823) @Peter Drouin (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=12511) @Mountain man (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=39039) and others can also chime in?

Could really use some help in this one!

Hydraulics issue - YouTube (https://youtube.com/shorts/37JMySIVy9Q?feature=share)
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Post by: barbender on March 02, 2023, 11:11:15 AM
It should sound like that at the end of the travel, but your hydraulics should respond right away. Can you shoot a video of say raising your backstop all the way to the end of the travel, in a way we can hear the pump?
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 02, 2023, 11:15:34 AM
I can but will have to do so later after work.

You can hear the pump running 'normally' (at least it sounds normal to me) around the 3/4 mark.  Then I stop and start again, and it stops running right but kicks in again.

Basically that's been the issue:  I hit a lever and it moves very slowly and sounds off (like the pump is running but the fluid aint hardly) then after a while it will start and run fine and as long as I hold the lever it runs fine...when I let go it's back to messing around until it runs right again or I'm done doing whatever it was I needed to do.

So in the video you see me push on the switch and hear the pump, then I move to a level and it sounds the same (more or less), then I hit down but it's at the limit and it yells at me (super short as I let go) then I continue to move the level until finally the pump seems to be running fine, then I stop, it stops and I start again and it's back to screaming at me before it briefly works again.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 02, 2023, 11:39:14 AM
I did notice it had gotten low on fluid and I had to top it up in November.  I'm wondering if maybe it got air in the lines?  IS there a way to bleed them?

I changed the oil and filter in December but that had no noticeable impact.  Then I did the contact black which also had no impact that I could tell so WM was thinking maybe brushes but if the motor is running and the pump does eventually run, I'm wondering if maybe it's an air lock type issue?
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Post by: doc henderson on March 02, 2023, 11:39:30 AM
I cannot see what is moving or not, and not a WM guy, but I had an issue and it was muck in the valve that was ball valving intermittently.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 02, 2023, 11:45:13 AM
I was pondering that myself.  But the valves do open and there is some pressure even when it sounds like it does in the beginning (what I call screaming but maybe more of a whine)...I hit the lever and everything is super slow and then eventually it starts to run normally and all is well (though about 10-15% slower now than in July when I first started having an issue with the head needing to come further back on the power bar.

I think I had two issues:  1, contact to the power bar was wearing down and needed to be adjusted/replaced which caused the hydraulics to not work at all and 2, something wrong with the hydraulics developed later which caused the pump to not fully engage until it had been operating for at least 5 to 10 seconds.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 02, 2023, 12:53:13 PM
I spoke with a local Hydraulics shop, and they suggested it sounds like a stuck ball valve in the manifold.  What he said was that if it was sticking then it wouldn't allow much fluid through at first but once the pressure built up it would be forced open and so the hydraulics would work, let go and the valve resets and you're playing the same game again -- open lever, a little movement, pressure builds, ball valve opens the rest of the way and viola you've got hydraulics again until you let go and the cycle starts again.

The issue I see with this is that there is a half dozen of them so unless each one is sticking (seems unlikely) or unless they all open up one down the manifold, then it's something else.

He also agreed the motor is likely not the problem since it's working and that the issue is either in the pump (failing but strangely if you ask me) or in the manifold and since the microswitch is turning on the pump that isn't the issue.
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Post by: doc henderson on March 02, 2023, 01:16:15 PM
good luck.  sounds like you do good maintenance. but things happen.  dirt in a funnel, or we had a class action against a farm store as their fluid when independently tested, did not meet their state quality.  My buddy Dallas got a check for 1700 bucks.  might try just changing the filter on the hydraulics, maybe clogged but then should not get better.  can you isolate the valve that is responsible?  again I am ignorant to the ways of WM.  might pull the line and do a visual and or spry clean with ether or some oil compatible solvent.  I have an up down solenoid that sticks occasionally, that I have already replaced once.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 02, 2023, 01:23:35 PM
Well I'll admit, I was late on my oil change and filter change ;) but not by more than 100hrs  :D ;D I should really do it more but in truth, the oil was sure clean looking coming out of the pump when I drained it and the filter was probably fine.  Didn't change anything afterwards so I'm thinking that wasn't the issue.

If the hydraulic manifold the levers are all on has a main ball valve that could be it (you can see it in the video I posted last pretty well) but I think the best course of action is to have them put a flow meter in the system and see what's going on.
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Post by: doc henderson on March 02, 2023, 01:27:34 PM
not that it matters, but I agree with all the above.  My lack of understanding of the WM system, limits my ability to help with diagnosis of your problem.  so in the pics/video, things are more recognizable to those that already are familiar.
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Post by: LeeB on March 02, 2023, 02:06:56 PM
Could well be air in the system. Also somewhat sounds like an intermittent power issue. Somewhere in the forum is a thread about bleeding the hydraulic system but I have no idea where to even start looking. 
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Post by: Jack S on March 02, 2023, 02:10:53 PM
Is there a chance that the coupling between the motor and pump may be slipping? 
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 02, 2023, 02:19:28 PM
No idea on slippage.

Without a good starting point discretion is the better part of valor I often say so I may take it to a shop and have them diagnose it ;)  Let the hydraulics pros do their thing so I can do mine? lol 

I hate to do that but with my limited time (and it looks like I'm working now until late July) I may just have to pack it up and drag it to the local shop so they can diagnose and repair for me.

As long as they don't try to sell me something I don't need.....
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Post by: MattM on March 02, 2023, 02:44:24 PM
After changing the hyd oil did you cycle all the functions to make sure there was no air in the system? Extend and retract each cylinder and hold the lever for a 10 seconds or so after fully extended/ retracted.

Air stuck in the system will cause cylinders to kinda pause for a bit and then start working and seen as how you just changed the oil it's a likely issue with a simple fix.

Hope this helps

Edit: not sure if this applies to our WM mills but I've worked on equipment in the past where what I said to do above would never get the air out and you would have to slightly loosen the fitting at the cylinder to get all the air out.... This usually only happened on machines that had hydraulic cylinders that were the size of our mills...Most likely this isn't the case in these mills as the lines and cylinders are small but I just thought I'd mention it anyways  :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 02, 2023, 02:49:52 PM
Thanks.  No I didn't do that (didn't know I should) however the problem existed before I changed the oil and filter (which is why I decided to).
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Post by: fluidpowerpro on March 02, 2023, 05:00:59 PM
After reading from the beginning, one thing I would check is if the pump inlet has a strainer on it that is clogged. If the pump inlet is restricted, it will cavitate and you will get lots of air in the oil. It does not sound very good either. If you can look into the reservoir filler hole with a flashlight, see if there is air in the oil.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 02, 2023, 05:09:36 PM
Interesting -- I'm guessing that would be like the ones you see on a garden hose?  Seems strange to have one with a filter but anything is possible I suppose.
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Post by: fluidpowerpro on March 02, 2023, 05:59:12 PM
Unfortunately on the type of power unit Woodmizer uses, if there is a suction strainer, it is located inside of the reservoir. This means to check it, you will likely have to pull the whole power unit and separate the reservoir from the pump/ motor. The pump will be inside of the reservoir and quite often the suction strainer is pushed on to a tube that's on the pump inlet.
 I would recommend asking Woodmizer if there is a strainer before tearing into it. If you do end up removing the reservoir, that would be a good time to clean it out really well.
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Post by: fluidpowerpro on March 02, 2023, 06:03:17 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on March 02, 2023, 05:09:36 PM
Seems strange to have one with a filter but anything is possible I suppose.
In hydraulics, a strainer is a very course type of filter used to catch "rocks". Your return line filter is much finer and catches contamination down to the micron level. They both have their purpose.
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Post by: Peter Drouin on March 02, 2023, 06:21:45 PM
Is it only 1 lever doing it?
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 02, 2023, 06:33:55 PM
Quote from: Peter Drouin on March 02, 2023, 06:21:45 PM
Is it only 1 lever doing it?
Nope -- All of them.
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Post by: doc henderson on March 02, 2023, 06:35:36 PM
most systems will purge themselves.  at least simple valves and cylinder.  are yours electric over hydraulic?
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 02, 2023, 06:38:13 PM
Asking me? lol I'd say hydraulic -- only electric part besides the motor is the mircoswitch that kicks the motor on.
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Post by: fluidpowerpro on March 02, 2023, 06:39:22 PM
I just watched the video. It sounds like the power unit is trying to start under load. ( While trying to do work)
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 02, 2023, 06:57:26 PM
Not sure I understand?  Like it's under pressure and shouldn't be when it starts?
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Post by: fluidpowerpro on March 02, 2023, 07:23:36 PM
If I had a hydraulic schematic I could say for sure but no, typically it should not be under load until one of the valve spools is shifted, and your moving a cylinder or whatever the valve is controlling. When the spool is not shifted, the oil should pass through the valve and back to tank at low pressure. This is assuming the valve is an open center valve, which is what it likely is.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 02, 2023, 07:27:42 PM
For those who aren't sure where the link is to the short of the hydraulics trying to run and then running, here is it.
Hydraulics issue testing - YouTube (https://youtube.com/shorts/37JMySIVy9Q?feature=share)

@Fluidpowerpro I'd think since all the valves should be that way there wouldn't be a way for it to stay under pressure??
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Post by: Magicman on March 02, 2023, 07:28:02 PM
Quote from: doc henderson on March 02, 2023, 06:35:36 PMmost systems will purge themselves......are yours electric over hydraulic?

Yes, it will purge itself, and yes, electric over hydraulic.
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Post by: fluidpowerpro on March 02, 2023, 07:36:10 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on March 02, 2023, 07:27:42 PM
@Fluidpowerpro I'd think since all the valves should be that way there wouldn't be a way for it to stay under pressure??
Yes, I agree, but it sure sounds like it's trying to start under load.
If I was trouble shooting, I would disconnect the pressure hose from the pump at the valve. Put the end of the hose into the tank through the oil fill port and the jog the power unit on for a brief instant. Does it still sound the same? 
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 02, 2023, 07:39:45 PM
I was wondering if I could open the tank under use or if it gets pressurized?
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Post by: fluidpowerpro on March 02, 2023, 07:44:18 PM
99.99% of hydraulic systems use a tank that is at atmospheric pressure. Is there a breather on your fill port? Can you easily blow through it? If so, the tank is not pressurized.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 02, 2023, 07:49:27 PM
It would have to be a vented cap I guess.  I can take the cap off and run the hydraulics and find out lol

It's in the shop in a dry and relatively clean environment at the moment so maybe not a bad test to run.
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Post by: barbender on March 02, 2023, 07:55:00 PM
The tank is not pressurized, Jarhead.

FPP, the hydraulic system does start under load because the electric motor and hydraulic valve are timed to start simultaneously.
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Post by: fluidpowerpro on March 02, 2023, 08:03:33 PM
I gathered that from reading earlier posts.
 I am not by any means an expert on the Woodmizer system however after watching the video,  I still say that it sounds like it's starting under load.
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Post by: fluidpowerpro on March 02, 2023, 08:07:13 PM
Sorry bar, read your post too fast. Most systems with switches on the spool will start the motor prior to the spool being shifted far enough to close the flow thru galley in the valve. Once the valve shifts far enough, then the cylinder ports open up and the pump is subjected to load.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 02, 2023, 09:09:23 PM
Hydraulics troubleshooting - YouTube (https://youtube.com/shorts/k832rDdf8Wg?feature=share)

Well that was interesting.   What do you guys think?  Puking Hydraulic fluid?  can't be right!
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Post by: doc henderson on March 02, 2023, 09:15:59 PM
are there big air bubles coming out while it is puking?  if so keep running that valve in that direction.  I assume that is the reservoir.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 02, 2023, 09:24:21 PM
No.  I didn't see any air but it did spot at me a couple times.

You think it's just air in the lines?
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Post by: fluidpowerpro on March 02, 2023, 09:41:29 PM
Just watched the last video. 
As far as the reservoir overflowing. 
What position were your cylinders in when you filled the reservoir. If the cylinder was extended when you filled, when you retract the cylinder, more oil is coming back from the cap end than is exiting the tank going into the rod end, so with such a small tank, maybe that is enough difference to cause it to overflow. 
Regarding the sound. When you hear the power unit laboring, that means it's at high pressure. When you shift the valve and you hear it laboring, is the cylinder your trying to move already at max travel? If it is, then yes, you will hear the power unit labor, because the cylinder is bottomed out . Because oil is not able to go anywhere, it goes over your main relief valve, at max pressure.
Does the power unit labor while a cylinder is in motion not against a load?
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 02, 2023, 09:45:39 PM
I always stop when it reaches the end of travel so the laboring sound is when the cylinder is moving. 

Never thought about filling and cylinder placement.
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Post by: fluidpowerpro on March 02, 2023, 10:59:08 PM
I recall magic man, in past threads, talking about velocity fuse valves in the cylinder lines. Maybe one of those is hung up causing a restriction and therefore excess load.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 02, 2023, 11:08:24 PM
Hmmm @Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011) ?
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Post by: Peter Drouin on March 02, 2023, 11:11:17 PM
If it's all, Then the M switch is bad. And look at all the grounds. all will have paint under them. 
My best guess. A new M switch is short $$
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Post by: Peter Drouin on March 02, 2023, 11:14:55 PM
Best to look at all the grounds on the mill.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 02, 2023, 11:15:51 PM
Even though the pump runs?
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Post by: doc henderson on March 02, 2023, 11:26:50 PM
maybe the switch that opens the valve.
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Post by: Magicman on March 03, 2023, 07:38:38 AM
Quote from: fluidpowerpro on March 02, 2023, 10:59:08 PMvelocity fuse valves in the cylinder lines
Those are at the bottom of the loader hydraulic cylinders and will prevent the loader from dropping if a hydraulic line ruptures.  Nothing to do with anything else.
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Post by: Peter Drouin on March 03, 2023, 07:51:14 AM
I thought you said the hidro works with playing with the handles to get it going.
Call WM.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 03, 2023, 10:44:27 AM
Yes, in the video you can see it working at times.  Works fine, then it doesn't.

So far WM has suggested the brass/copper block that makes the contact on the power bar (which was problematic and needed to be replaced) and the brushes in the motor.  The problem is trying to diagnose over the phone but also, James, my go to tech at WM was on the road this week for a show and unavailable.

Now, something occurred last night that gave me pause and made me think of what @barbender (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=1286) was saying:  when I took off the fill cap things worked about 90% better.  ??? ??? ???

Then I put it back on and they did NOT work.  I left it there and began to think that maybe the issue is that the tank must be vented and the vented cap is plugged up so I'm going to go run it without the cap on for a bit and see if I'm right and I'm going to blow out the cap with some compressed air to see if I can clean it out. 

With luck, that might be the main issue and it just needs to be cleaned out to prevent the system from over pressuring.
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on March 03, 2023, 11:09:02 AM
   While you are talking hydraulics, on a recent 50 hour service I got alarmed because I found the plug n the middle of the plastic fill plug to my hydraulic fluid reservoir was missing. I was going to replace it with another plug then I found you have to have that hole in the fill plug so the reservoir can breathe as you activate the system. If I had plugged that hole I would probably have blown a line or fitting somewhere. ::)
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Post by: barbender on March 03, 2023, 11:35:55 AM
Hmm again. My pumps on my '97 Super have vents on top of the pump, seperate from the plug. I'll have to look at your video again and see how yours is set up.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 03, 2023, 11:44:23 AM
Meanwhile, my neighbors dad was the sheriff of the next town over and even showed me his old Colt .45 from those days (would have been in the 40's I'm guessing)...
Black Locust, Maple & Black Walnut On The Sawmill - YouTube (https://youtu.be/4uppRpJ20y8)

Now I need to do more troubleshooting!

OH and you may even notice at one point I reach up and pull the head back further -- that is what started the whole hydraulics troubleshooting!
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 03, 2023, 02:08:49 PM
Hmmmmm

OK, I ran my test;  I took the filler cap (which is vented) off the Hydraulic tank and ran the hydraulics again and it was definitely an improvement!  In fact, things ran so much better I thought maybe all was well, until they didn't but it was short lived and seemed like things had definitely improved.

After running things for a bit the battery, despite being on a 10A setting on the charger, began to drain too much and the charger was clicking at me!  I stopped and decided to go over all the hoses etc and discovered a leak!!!  The side support hydraulic cylinder was leaking somewhere and after cleaning it all up as best I could it appeared to be leaking from a fitting.  Hmm...evidence also suggests it had been leaking for a while.

After more or less cleaning things up (no water, just air and rags for now since it's in my wood shop) I decided to fire the motor up and run things more.  

With the shop door open, I ran the motor and hydraulics and again, they appeared better but not totally.  After shutdown there was certainly a small, class 1, maybe 2 leak.  OK, maybe just a loose fitting?  Doesn't feel loose.  I may need to remove it and retape it to see if that fixes things.

meanwhile, after doing a little filming I noticed the hydraulic tank was overflowing!

So, I had three problems I can confirm at this time:

1. The contact block was worn and needed to be replaced (hence my having to move the head to get hydraulics working)
2.  The vented filler cap on the Hydraulic tank appears to be at least partially blocked.
3.  There is a link in the fittings on the side support cylinder.

Interesting...more to come (but don;'t be shy!  Let me know what you think?).
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Post by: doc henderson on March 03, 2023, 03:06:02 PM
watch to see if bubble come out of the hydraulic tank as it over flows, or if then the level is lower (should be if it is leaking).  bubbles or air coming into the tank on the return will displace volume and take a bit to float to the top in a more viscous fluid, than say water.  If so them you are flushing, or returning air from the system.  the volume of air in the fluid and make the fluid at the top run out.  I though I saw a "pop" of some air in one video.

with it overflowing, and if there is a foam filter in the vent cap that got full of oil and then dirt, it may require some solvent to clean it.  
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Post by: MattM on March 03, 2023, 04:04:30 PM
Definitely charge the battery fully.... It's been well drained, having a 10 amp charger on it will not even account for 10% of the power your using and those hydraulic pumps draw mega power. 

With the load of the pump if you run the hydraulics without the engine running you draw a little over 110amps and if you are loading the pump up (using a function after the cylinder stops moving) you are drawing 200amps. Even with the engine running full throttle you use more than then alternator will put out. 

Have you compleltly drained the battery? Once? Twice? X amount of times? If so it's total capacity might be reduced and a load test might be in order.

You should definitely get those leaks fixes before going any further with troubleshooting. What type of fitting is leaking? Pipe thread? Or JIC? If pipethread then go ahead and reseal it. If JIC just tighten it. If a jic leaks and won't stop leaking when you tighten it DO NOT put tape on it(I've see people online put thread tape on tapered fittings before) disconnect the line and wipe the inside of the female fitting with a rag and the outside of the male. If there is any dirt between the tapered mating surface it can cause a leak. If it still leaks after all that then it might have a hairline crack in it.... Rare but it does happen from time to time.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 03, 2023, 05:13:21 PM
Thanks guys -- I went ahead and ran it down to the hydraulics shop out of frustration ;)

What the guy there told me was that the leak wouldn't cause much of an issue other than leaking oil and lowering levels.

He said and I quote "It sounds to me like something is starting to fail however it could be simple things like the cap being plugged as that can cause over pressure which we heard some release of when you removed it.  There is also a pressure relief valve that could be faulty, you could have a plugged screen at the pick up for the pump and any number of other issues.  Without pulling it apart and inspecting everything, I can't really say but it's a good quality unit and that is good!".

In the end they would charge me $105/hr to remove, break down and inspect everything but couldn't begin to look at it for at least another week to week and a half.

We agreed that if I don't solve it by next Friday I'll bring it to them to solve.

The battery has been tested, twice, recently and is still in great shape.  It's also a Deka so a decent brand.  It wasn't dead but did drop to 12.3v so I decided it was time to put it on the charger for a while.

I'm going to order a new reservoir cap just to be sure it's a good one, charge the battery all the way up and put a maintainer on it for a while and then probably just take it in because I'm working 4 tens right now so too little time to do much with it on the weekends (and edit video, work around the house, do cabin stuff etc etc)....guess the job is good for one thing:  paying for mill repairs! ha!

OH and neither of us saw air bubbles in the system nor any jerky motions (which he said would happen if there were air in the system).  
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 03, 2023, 08:05:44 PM
And in case you missed this one from earlier -- you can actually see me pull the head back at one point near the end when the hydraulics didn't work!
HISTORIC BLACK WALNUT on the SAWMILL!! [Woodmizer LT40] - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uppRpJ20y8)

Also, note:  I waited for the head to STOP moving before running the hydraulics.  THis job is where they started getting really bad on day two (and I'd forgotten my cameras so only got some video of chainsaw milling on my phone that will be part of an up coming video) -- I HATE losing an entire days worth of video!  Luckily it was only a couple hours on the mill and the rest of the day was on the chainsaw so you didn't miss much lol
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 06, 2023, 12:49:46 PM
And then I did this  ;D ;D

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20230304_162937.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1678124959)
 Can you see it?
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Post by: barbender on March 06, 2023, 01:24:24 PM
Did you add a bracket off the mast for a work light or something?
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Post by: Crusarius on March 06, 2023, 01:33:07 PM
they really need to put breakaway outriggers on those things
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Post by: SawyerTed on March 06, 2023, 01:38:39 PM
It won't tow good for a little while.  
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Post by: Magicman on March 06, 2023, 01:55:36 PM
I can assure you that they will break away.  At least that is what a friend told me.  ;D
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 06, 2023, 02:05:50 PM
LOL I figured you'd think that was what I meant but no, the rear outrigger is down on purpose (because I lifted the head to attach a battery charger) but many might notice (after a second look) a rather shiny and bright fender :D  8)
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 06, 2023, 02:07:17 PM
Quote from: barbender on March 06, 2023, 01:24:24 PM
Did you add a bracket off the mast for a work light or something?
What you see there is my umbrella stand ;)  THat's been there a while, the umbrella, on the other hand, has been broken and needs replacing, again :P
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Post by: Magicman on March 06, 2023, 02:20:56 PM
OK, I had that same "friend" that lost his fender.  It went under his tire @50mph and was seen flipping end over end 10' in the air.  "He" retrieved it and after much hammer/anvil work straightened it enough to fit back on the mill.  It is still being used....ugly but still being used.  :-X
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Post by: Crusarius on March 06, 2023, 02:23:07 PM
magicman, I mean a breakaway that does not cause damage :)
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Post by: Magicman on March 06, 2023, 02:34:15 PM
I'd say that if the word "break" is used something ain't right.  :D
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 09, 2023, 09:56:51 AM
Throw back Thursday?
https://youtu.be/2xOQWQCBOlA
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 10, 2023, 12:52:36 PM
I know I'm a little weird but I do love having a sawmill! 
Watch this INCREDIBLE remote SAWMILL in action!! [Woodmizer LT40] - YouTube (https://youtu.be/t5EIs2Arg7I)
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 15, 2023, 12:15:08 PM
OK here is the latest on my hydraulics:

When engaging the hydraulics, the motor is not hitting full RPM resulting in the pressure being lower than it should be (not by much but enough to drive the hydraulics only slowly).  Once the motor hits higher RPM's (where it should be) everything works as normal.

The Hydraulics shop tested power during operation and saw no significant change in power (11.9v vs 11.8v) between low rpm and not working right and full or at least high rpm and everything working.

They suspect the motor and believe the electrical components are all working as they should (since power is showing the same regardless of how it's working other than a slightly lower voltage at high rpm which is expected since it's drawing more power).

Any thoughts?

I've ordered a motor and we'll replace it unless someone can advise me on anything else to check.

Oh and they advised they could not check flow rate as it was too low for any of their meters and due to how the mill runs vs how they normally check for flow.
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Post by: barbender on March 15, 2023, 01:22:35 PM
The hydraulics on our WM mills are definitely low flow and I could see where their gauges wouldn't work. I think these pumps put out just a bit over 1 gpm iirc? Maybe it's pushing 2, then a Super like mine has 2 pumps has double the flow (whoohoo!😁) I've never used a flow gauge and know nothing about them, so I'd have to take their word for it. 

What I would do if I was trouble shooting your machine. First, you need a pressure gauge teed in somewhere, it's fundamental in hydraulic troubleshooting. Too bad WM doesn't install it factory anymore, but they should know what parts you need. I'd guess you could get set up for less than $50. 

 You could also install a port and use a remote, quick couple type of gauge. 

 Anyways, the reason I stress the gauge is because I would want to know what the system pressure is doing when that motor slows down. If the pressure rises, you have something causing an increased load on the system, which will cause your motor to slow down.

 Think of how it sounds when you run out of travel with your clamp, for instance. The cylinder is bottomed out one way or another, the pump keeps trying to push if you still have the lever engaged, until the relief pressure is met and it allows the oil to bypass. The pressure on the gauge would indicate the relief setting, if it maxed out at 2200 psi that's your relief pressure. That pressure should never really be seen unless a cylinder is bottomed out, or if you were trying to load or roll a really heavy log. 

 If you are just raising your backstops for instance, and the pressure was high with a corresponding drop in pump motor speed, I would be searching for a mechanical bind, possibly a pinched hose. 

 Now if the pressure is low, and your pump motor speed drops then I would suspect the motor or electrical supply. 

I'm not sure, but if you had an oil supply issue I would think your pressure would be erratic, jumping up and down.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 15, 2023, 01:36:38 PM
They checked pressure and were getting something like 250 or 270PSI at low RPM on the motor and then it raised 50PSI when operating normally.

They also checked the relief valve and spoke with WM in Indiana (which gives me confidence that they are a good shop) who told them it's set at 2200PSI and that's where they like it.

I thought the pressure sounded low but they were checking it throughout.

Seems, since the motor RPM's were low and pressure was down, and when the motor hit full RPM's the pressure went up they are convinced it's the motor.

I asked about electronics but they felt since voltage at the pump didn't change much at all that it wasn't the electronics which leaves the motor.

I spoke with WM in Wood Village and they agreed it's probably the motor itself faulting out.  I plan to swap the motor and see how it goes since WM had them in stock at a reasonable price.
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Post by: Ljohnsaw on March 15, 2023, 01:49:48 PM
Is that 11.8/11.9v with the engine running? I would expect 14.2 if the alternator was working correctly. The standby voltage should be 13.something. if your seeing less, then maybe your battery is bad.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 15, 2023, 03:36:18 PM
Their voltage was checked with a charger on the battery so it's a little low, yes.  However, the battery was tested a couple times recently to be sure it's good and it tested great both times (it's a Deka battery that isn't that old).

I'll confess, I didn't test it with the engine running (the voltages) but I didn't see any difference than when I had the 10Amp charger running vs the alternator -- I did however, drain the battery a bit when I ran everything without charger or motor running ;)

I've ordered the pump but I do hope someone might have some insite into what's causing this (hate spending the money on the pump only to find out I now have a good spare pump  electricuted-smiley
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Post by: Ljohnsaw on March 15, 2023, 03:47:33 PM
Did you check voltage at both the battery and the pump connections? Wondering if there might be a cable or even a solenoid issue.
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Post by: Magicman on March 15, 2023, 04:08:19 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on March 15, 2023, 03:36:18 PMbut I didn't see any difference than when I had the 10Amp charger running vs the alternator
Something is not exactly right here.  10 amp charger vs a ~120 amp alternator??  Yours is not a Super mill so your alternator may only be an 80 or something like that but still much higher than a 10.  Your voltage should be 14+ before doing any hydraulic analysis.  With below 12 volts, your amperage is sky high and is not doing anything any good.
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Post by: Jack S on March 15, 2023, 04:12:40 PM
One thing I see wrong in your diagnosing is reading just voltage doesn't tell how much load is on the Motor. It only shows it to be in range and no voltage drop with the existing load. Also you need to check the voltage at the motor terminal in case their might  be a bad connection between that and the source.  

You've got to use an amprobe  and read amperage or in the case of real small motors  a watt meter. Its so easy to diagnose if you use the right test equipment.

A quick story I was visiting a friend out in ohio a few years back and he was showing me around the farm and said to me, Ive got this old articulating tractor with a perkins diesel that has starter problems and nobody can fix it . replaced the starter multiple times and wont work. I had my multi meter with me and in no time at all I found no ground between the starter and the engine. Took the starter off and the engine surface area was so rusty it couldn't ground the starter. Cleaned it up reinstalled the starter  and the ol perkins fired right up. Moral of the story  When you have electrical issues with equipment that uses the chassis for grounding ya better keep this in mind. 

I don't don't know your machine but you might want to follow how your pump motor follows it ground path back to the battery also. easy way use a jumper cable from the motor direct to the battery + and - .
If all this has been done accept my apology as I didn't go back and reread all your posts today.



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Post by: OlJarhead on March 15, 2023, 04:23:43 PM
Thanks guys -- while I don't disagree at all with everything you've said, the issue appears to be not related to the voltage as the voltage is up around 14v+ when the alternator is running (can't recall what it was off the top of my head) and there was no difference in the hydraulics with it running vs not running (with or without charger) other than the voltages.

It's been checked at every connection including at the motor.

So, while yes, 11.8v is low, it was doing the same thing at 14v with the motor running (wish I'd completed the video I was doing with it running and not running but I've done that as well).

Now, checking the amp draw would be interesting and I can ask the tech if he did (or has an amp meter because I do ;) ) and see what it shows however, if the motor is bad I think we'd see some strange numbers there (maybe too many amps when running at low RPM and then settling down once kicked into high gear so to speak ;)

It's tough to troubleshoot over the net LOL but I do appreciate all the feedback!
Erik
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 15, 2023, 04:34:03 PM
Just for grins, and to be super sure, I've asked the hydraulics tech to test one more time but this time with the motor running.

I'm impressed with him as I asked if the head was over the power strip or he needed to move it and he said "no, you mentioned something about that but I also saw the sticker that says not to leave the head there so I moved it off the power bar".  NICE!  8)

Gotta love a tech who pays attention.

Now, his amp meter is dead so I offered to bring mine over to test it but I won't be able to do that until Friday (darn day jobs). 
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Post by: Peter Drouin on March 15, 2023, 04:36:57 PM
Brushes in the motor bad? 
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Post by: Magicman on March 15, 2023, 04:38:33 PM
You need an ammeter.  Each of my motors are pulling ~95 amps with the engine running (14+ volts).  Without the engine running (~11.5 volts) the amperage jumps up toward 120. 

I agree Peter, motor needs opening up to check brushes.

I have pictures but the gallery is down right now.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 15, 2023, 05:40:08 PM
Thanks guys -- I have an Amp Clamp which checks the amps on a circuit by clamping over the cable and reading the amp draw.  Used it in the telecom world for years.

I'm wondering if brushes could be it and have a set but in light of the tech thinking the motor has an issue I bought a new one and plan to save the old one as a spare -- and might as well tear into it and learn a thing or two!  (I haven't looked at the guys inside an electric motor in decades).

Meanwhile, I put out a new video and one thing I realized is that I tend to think like a softwood sawyer and not a hardwood sawyer (probably not a good habit to have) so I talk about milling logs wet/green (wetter is better is often my motto) and then a friend pointed out it's hard to get spalted maple from a green maple log ;)

Hmmmmm going to have to think about that and ask one of you that mills a lot of hardwood (or enough) your thoughts on letting the logs dry before milling vs dropping a big Doug Fir and rolling it right on the mill and letting it rip! (see what I did there?  :D)
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Post by: Jack S on March 15, 2023, 06:01:26 PM
Again I can"t stress  enough bad  grounds will cause some strange things to happen on equipment. If your brushess  are the problem yep no circuit good voltage no amperage. nows the time for visual test

I also stated in an earlier post how about a slipping coupling to the  pump? I believe I read something about different sounds. WE cant help you on that as arm chair techs. Youve got to check it out.
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Post by: beenthere on March 15, 2023, 06:34:19 PM
The spalted maple is likely going to be green, not dry when sawing the log.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 15, 2023, 06:39:15 PM
Quote from: beenthere on March 15, 2023, 06:34:19 PM
The spalted maple is likely going to be green, not dry when sawing the log.
Ahhh....not doing much maple etc I thought it was more like Blue Stain on pine (sits, bugs get at it, blue stain develops etc)...
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 15, 2023, 06:40:52 PM
Quote from: Jack S on March 15, 2023, 06:01:26 PM
Again I can"t stress  enough bad  grounds will cause some strange things to happen...
100% agree.  Worked in Telecom for nearly 30 years and you'd be surprised (well it sounds like you wouldn't) the havoc bad grounds can cause (and the money spent to fix them).
It's certainly possible.
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Post by: barbender on March 15, 2023, 11:14:07 PM
I don't think the coupling setup will allow for slippage. It's a direct coupling between the motor and pump.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 16, 2023, 10:05:45 AM
Makes sense.  Seems something is causing the motor to not spin up all the way so it's running low rpms and the pump therefore, is putting out less pressure (50 to 70psi -- can't remember exactly) then it finally catches up and reaches peak RPM and all is well.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 16, 2023, 04:54:53 PM
Looks like I'll be heading back up to Badger Mt out of East Wenatchee this spring...I think this will be my 12th visit up there!   8)

You just gotta love repeat customers  smiley_clapping smiley_hollywood_cool
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Post by: Magicman on March 16, 2023, 06:56:09 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on March 16, 2023, 10:05:45 AMSeems something is causing the motor to not spin up all the way so it's running low rpms
Most probably you have one brush(s) that is not fully making contact.  

Here is where I did my pump motor rebuild:  LINK (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=119345.msg1913961#msg1913961)
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 16, 2023, 07:29:45 PM
Interesting.  I'll be putting in a new pump motor so will have a spare if that's all that's needed...
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Post by: doc henderson on March 16, 2023, 10:54:44 PM
be careful, gin could start a fire! :o :o :snowball: :D :D :D
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 17, 2023, 08:01:06 AM
Quote from: doc henderson on March 16, 2023, 10:54:44 PM
be careful, gin could start a fire! :o :o :snowball: :D :D :D
LOL I hate typing on my phone! 
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Post by: Remle on March 17, 2023, 01:55:13 PM
Quote from: OlJarhead on March 15, 2023, 06:39:15 PM
Quote from: beenthere on March 15, 2023, 06:34:19 PM
The spalted maple is likely going to be green, not dry when sawing the log.
Ahhh....not doing much maple etc I thought it was more like Blue Stain on pine (sits, bugs get at it, blue stain develops etc)...
I wouldn't say spalted maple is green, green IMHO means it was just recently harvested. IMHO splatting occurs after it has been laying around for a long time and the fiber structure has started to decay due to heavy moisture content or the tree died along time ago and has been standing dead. Maybe I am wrong and others can set me straight.
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Post by: beenthere on March 17, 2023, 03:03:42 PM
"green" is usually meant to be anything over the fiber saturation point (fsp). So laying on the ground for spalting would likely mean the wood in the log is still over that fsp.

But personal opinions do vary.. no problem there.

Spalting is a discoloration in the wood caused by fungi leaving dark dotted or lined patterns that some like for "art" wood. 
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 17, 2023, 04:15:42 PM
Sounds a lot like blue stain though usually pine doesn't stain until it's down, however, if attacked successfully by pine borers it will happen.  In this case it's fungus that is on the boring beetles 'teeth' and once they get through the bark the fungus begins to weaken the trees defense making it easier for the beetle to get in. 
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Post by: TimW on March 19, 2023, 01:13:53 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on March 01, 2023, 09:36:59 PM
Hydraulics Issue - YouTube (https://youtube.com/shorts/gnWloUCUKeg?feature=share)

ok, pushing with my fingers on the microswitch gives the sound I am talking about.

A little later I move one of the levers a bunch and it starts working so you can hear the difference. This, us the problem I'm having.
Sounds to me like the pump is cavitating and starting to die.
hugs,  Brandi
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 21, 2023, 02:10:41 PM
Thanks for all the replies.

I dropped off the motor to the shop Friday and am awaiting their word on replacing it.  Also instructed them to make sure I got the old one back so I could rebuild it (I'm wondering if it was the brushes after all but with so few hours (660) you would think it wouldn't be that worn from what others have said.

You can see me running it here in this video (and see a Super run at the same time as well as my mill back in July - I smashed them together).
(57) Sawmill Hydraulics Maintenance -- Nope, that's not the problem! - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r3RgRkw_Rw)
What's interesting is that it was about 10% slower even when running 'normally' than it was in July so who knows?

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Post by: OlJarhead on March 23, 2023, 12:37:44 PM
Apparently replacing the motor solved my hydraulics issue.  Now I need to open up the old one and look at the blushes
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Post by: barbender on March 23, 2023, 12:43:49 PM
 Awesome👍 It must be the brushes, but that is a premature failure. I do believe on my ol girl ('97) it calls for having the brushes inspected at 800 or 1000 hours.

 If you can rebuild your old motor, it's a great item to have a spare on the shelf anyhow.
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Post by: OlJarhead on March 23, 2023, 02:37:01 PM
Thanks and those are my thoughts (too early for the brushes but having a spare motor will be good).

It will be interesting to tear it all down and see ;) and I plan to go pick up the mill (and the pay the price for having someone else check and pull the motor and replace for me while I was at my day job)...and then I will start some testing :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: chet on March 23, 2023, 04:28:07 PM
Seems most times I have a DC motor problem, it turns out to be a brush just hanging up in it's holder. It's just a matter of cleaning it up, and it's good ta go again.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Magicman on March 23, 2023, 07:20:34 PM
Notice in the link that I provided in Reply #1896, two brushes were worn and two were still like new.  I only replaced the worn ones.  In the other motor that runs the exact same length of time, there was no wear on any of the 4 brushes.
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Post by: SawyerTed on March 23, 2023, 08:38:41 PM
Yep, I had a time diagnosing a feed motor issue.  Turned out to be brushes at about 500 hrs. 
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Post by: barbender on March 23, 2023, 10:29:12 PM
I've experienced the same thing with my Super, Magic. One motor died, the brushes were completely gone. I finally got around to pulling the other one apart, and the brushes looked like new🤷 I looked both ways and put it back together 😊
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 24, 2023, 03:17:33 PM
I'm convinced that's the issue!  I pick up the mill today!
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 01, 2023, 09:45:41 AM
OK!  Hopefully today will be the final day of fixing the hydraulics.  The inline valve for the side supports and log turner is cracked and I need to replace it today then I should be able to run some tests and do the spring maintenance so I can mill up a maple I quartered with he CSM last fall.

Meanwhile, this might interest you all since it's probably the same story for many of us here.  Heck, most of you probably already remember much of this story since it played out here on FF from 2010 through 2016 and beyond :D  Much of it in this very thread!  So, here it is:
Paying off a Sawmill in 13 Months?! Here's How I Did It! - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq6EmJ3nzIc)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 03, 2023, 07:27:10 PM
Ugh -- my back didn't let me get the last repair done yet :(  Just need to replace that one inline vavle which hopefully won't take much and then I should be back to 100% and ready to go cut up some maple.

I also need to tear down the old motor which I hope to do soon.  Since I didn't take it off and it's in the new motor box, I am hoping the tech marked it when it came off....which I hear is important.
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Post by: OlJarhead on April 07, 2023, 01:20:57 PM
OK!  If the rain holds off and I can get the valve replaced today, I'll be milling up some maple tomorrow!  Woot!  Here's hoping!  8)

Meanwhile, this one was fun!
IT'S TOO BIG FOR THE SAWMILL! MASSIVE MAPLE! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/_pt08XOteGE)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on April 08, 2023, 06:10:15 AM
Brushes are the first thing I look at when I have a motor problem.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: doc henderson on April 08, 2023, 08:14:49 AM
When the sprayer is out of the frame, it does kinda look like you are goin potty on the log!   :o :o :o  :D :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 08, 2023, 03:01:12 PM
lol that's what my wife kept say lol
.eanwhile I have more work to do!

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20230407_184537.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1680980378)
 
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Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: barbender on April 08, 2023, 03:38:58 PM
That thing would not meet YH's log qualifications😁
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 08, 2023, 05:32:34 PM
lol but it meets my customers 😉

Meanwhile after replacing the two-way valve and fixing that leak, I discovered the 2nd was also cracked!!!!!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 14, 2023, 02:45:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snt2hNcNaz4
While I'm waiting on my new vavle...here's the last of the old homestead work :)

Now I really need to get the mill fixed!  Work is piling up so the new valve can't come soon enough!  I should be back to milling next weekend if it arrives before then.

Meanwhile I also ordered a new bar for the chainsaw (ruined the last one when the saw fell and was pinched when quartering up another big maple) as I'll need to do some saw work on the big sycamore logs I need to mill up.

Goo thing the next few jobs are all local :D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 17, 2023, 11:35:46 AM
Well, my new valve arrives Wednesday or at least FedEx says so...then I hope to get it installed Friday before we head off to get some work done at the cabin which should include falling some timber and getting it onto the sawmill :D  Sure hope I can finally get back to milling D Logs.

Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 21, 2023, 03:27:46 PM
OK!  With luck I'll get that valve replaced (it's in the worst spot!  The inside valve, guess I'm laying on the ground for this one!

Then I'm going to be doing some milling!  Woot!  8) and I have jobs piling up and I'm not even advertising!  Ugh. I hate working...that has to stop!

Meanwhile, here is the last of the video I did last year (and finally produced)...no sawmill, all CSM work but just to quarter up a big maple to get it ready for the saw -- which of course, had problems, then winter hit full force like nothing we'd had in 20 years and of course, I didn't fix the mill (over and over again) but finally I should be back to making sawdust with the mill this week!
Granberg Edging Mill & Husqvarna 572xp vs BIG Maple! - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrEhgoWlB2Q)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 21, 2023, 06:39:43 PM
 8) 8) 8) Drum Roll Please!!!

dancing-jack The MILL IS FIXED!!!  Finally got the last sequencing valve in and no more leaks! :D  YeeHa!  Off to the cabin and some milling this week so I'll be putting it to the test and of course filming it for y'all -- hopefully no more cussing!  ::) ;D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Jack S on April 23, 2023, 11:01:57 AM
Sorry No drumroll from this member. Been a month and you have not made a final report on the hydraulic pump issue. Especially after all the words of wisdom from so many fellow members.  
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: barbender on April 23, 2023, 12:17:22 PM
Jack, he put a new pump drive motor on it.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Jack S on April 23, 2023, 02:30:30 PM
Mr. Barbender you are totally right. BUT that doesnt resolve giving back to the forum exactly what failed on the original pump that the Ojarhead was asking help for in diagnosing. I'm sure that I am not the only one out there that is still waiting for the answer.

As you must know this happens way to often. A poster asks for help gets help  Their problem gets resolved  but we never get the results that would help future issues as you know. Thats why we are here to help others right?  

Anybody can replace parts. My motto has always been why did the part fail. 



 
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Post by: ladylake on April 23, 2023, 03:14:27 PM
 Way too many have a problem, get it fixed and you never hear back from them.  Steve
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: barbender on April 23, 2023, 03:15:25 PM
 I also realize that Jarhead has been busy and I don't know if he has had time to tear the original down, or drop it off at a motor shop. He replaced the bad part, and then he found other parts that were bad that contributed to the original problem. Should he have taken the time he spent getting his mill running, and instead spent it tearing into a motor that he already replaced? That motor would not be a top priority for me if I was in his shoes.

 A simple, "Hey Jarhead, please let is know what you figure out if you get your original motor repaired please?" would suffice. 

 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 30, 2023, 10:56:42 AM
Hey Folks, sorry for not being here!  Between work and we'll work I've been too busy to tear open the pump but plan on doing just that.

This last week I took a week to go to the cabin and get some trees down and do some milling ( no internet) and planned on giving a full report but just haven't had the chance.

We got back last night and I'm just now trying to catch up online.

I personally suspect the brushes on the old motor but have yet to take it out of the box.

Meanwhile the mill is down again, this time running too rich (I think) so I won't be milling until that is fixed as well.

More to come I promise!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 30, 2023, 11:00:49 AM
On a side note I replaced the following:

1. Contact block
2. Pump motor
3. oil and filter
4. reservoir cap
5. sequencing valves (2)

I plan to dig into the motor soon but my day job is slowing that down considerably. 

Now I will do a complete service before trying to diagnose what I think is a rich running condition and hope is not oil burning 😞
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 30, 2023, 11:56:07 AM
Didn't get many pics of our week at the cabin (though of course I did video - even still, I didn't video the early days) but here are a couple -- we're SORE but happy :D

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/GOPR0710.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1682870114)
 
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Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 30, 2023, 04:36:33 PM
oh and the laser? lol no worky when the sun shiney
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on April 30, 2023, 11:32:00 PM
Try some seafoam in the gas. The stuff is amazing. Everything will run better, gas or diesel. Un stick every thing.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on April 30, 2023, 11:50:24 PM
Is that the stuff used for boats?  I'll have to try it.  First time this has happened to me
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: doc henderson on May 01, 2023, 09:05:13 AM
It also preserves fuel.  I add it to all my 5 gallon cans when I go get gas so it is in there and mixed.  not to the chainsaw gas, cause it is av fuel 100 0ctane, and it gets stihl oil mix that also preserves.  no alcohol, and a tiny bit-o-lead.

there is an aerosol for top end stuff, and a container that says trucks ect., but it is just a bigger can.  I get a flat of 6 cans when I get it.  it has different concentrations for the level of cleaning that is needed.  It makes the exhaust a little white and smells at higher concentrations.
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 01, 2023, 10:57:47 AM
as usual, you guys are awesome and I hope it helps!  

Since I am still at work (had last week off) for another 19 weeks or so, my Monday  thru Thursdays are basically short so I hope to get filters etc and this stuff so I can do maintenance next weekend!

I sure hope it's a simple fix because I am struggling to keep up with demand and work as it us.

I am almost ready to find someone local to come mill som logs for me!

In fact if you are close enough and not already too busy PM me and maybe I can give up some work.
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Post by: MattM on May 01, 2023, 11:29:05 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on April 30, 2023, 04:36:33 PM
oh and the laser? lol no worky when the sun shiney
How many mW was the laser you got?
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 01, 2023, 12:04:55 PM
20mw and Green

I was planning on the final adjustment this past week with the mill at the cabin but as soon as I tried it out I could see it wasn't going to work with sun shining directly on that side of the log.  Maybe if it was in the shade, or adjusted to see the face but down the log it was a no go in the sun.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: TimW on May 01, 2023, 12:12:45 PM
I put StaBil in all my gasoline and Power Service in all my diesels.

My annual cranking up of my tiller takes one pull to start.  Sometimes two.  I usually can start my Honda powered water pump on one pull, after it has set for many months.
I run the StaBil on pump gas in my Stihl's also.
hugs,  Brandi
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 01, 2023, 12:48:05 PM
Ya I usually add StaBil to my small engines or any gas I store.  The mill the fuel normally isn't in it long enough to worry ;) But maybe it was this year.

My honda ATV at the cabin get's Stabil treated fuel as it sits all the time and funny thing, after 15 years it still starts right up when it's needed :D

With luck and some good advice here, I'll be back to milling again soon!  I have plenty of work lined up if I could just get away from the day job long enough to do it!
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Post by: Hilltop366 on May 01, 2023, 01:06:39 PM
The first thing I would check assuming it is a carb and not EFI would be that the choke is in the off position of course but also check in the carb it self that the choke flap is actually fully open and also check the air filter. If no joy there the next place to look would be at the carb float, needle & seat for dirt, sticking or worn parts. If the tank is above the carb it would likely keep feeding fuel in the engine (unless shut off) and cause other problems like flooding on startup or locked up when trying to start as well as gas in engine oil which will raise oil level on dip stick.
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 01, 2023, 01:21:59 PM
I wish it was a carb engine but it's EFI (unless I'm having a brain fart).

A choke stuck would definitely do that (I've rebuilt my share of carbs too though mostly SU's) as would clogged air filter but I don't think it's the filter since blowing it out didn't make a difference.  I'll run through all of the above and then see where that leads me.

It also got worse from the start.  I milled 3 logs, and it was running 'ok' but clearly with something going on at idle so I thought "blow out the air filters, check the oil and see what that does" -- all the above checked, done etc and it started good, and I thought "right on, let's get milling!" and then it started dying at idle (almost) and the sending out black smoke (barely but noticeable) once I hit the auto clutch the smoke increased.  I shut it down and looked at the exhaust and thought "wow!  That's BLACK.  Gotta be running too rich".

Funny thing, last year it was the opposite, so I changed out the fuel filter and all was well in the world again...now it's too rich.  

I've ordered filters and have the plugs already so it's time to do all that 'spring' cleaning and see where it leads me I guess.
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Post by: doc henderson on May 01, 2023, 04:23:35 PM
stable and stihl oil will preserve, the seafoam with clean the fuel system, and preserve.
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 01, 2023, 04:51:03 PM
I'll be trying to SeaFoam for sure!

Then, if that doesn't work then I'll be checking grounds.  I've done some reading and the Kholer EFI's are pretty sensitive to corrosion on grounds it seems.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Crusarius on May 01, 2023, 04:58:30 PM
Last year when I tried to start my mill it would not start. Naturally the first thing everyone did was tell me I blew the engine because I ran ethanol gas in it. THIS WAS NOT THE CASE!!! 

Ends up all of my vent lines had been plugged by mud daubers. Once I cleaned all the vent tubes it started and ran perfect. May want to check your vent lines?
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 01, 2023, 05:03:48 PM
Thanks -- Yup, need to check everything as something is amiss.  I only ran it sporadically this past winter when I was testing the hydraulics, otherwise it sat without running from October on!  I really wanted to knock out some serious milling last week but will have to wait now.

My first chance to do much will be this coming weekend.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: TimW on May 01, 2023, 06:19:55 PM
Quote from: doc henderson on May 01, 2023, 04:23:35 PM
stable and stihl oil will preserve, the seafoam with clean the fuel system, and preserve.
Doc,
  So true. But a good running engine with stabil or power service in it doesn't need cleaning. 
 hugs,   Brandi
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Post by: doc henderson on May 01, 2023, 09:27:55 PM
 thumbs-up  also true, but it happens!   :)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 05, 2023, 12:05:22 PM
I still need to tear the motor down and may do that this weekend if my back allows but here is the last video in my serious (with a shout out to the FF crew -- on a side note, most of this was filmed in February and March)...
How I fixed My Sawmill Hydraulics! - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_oZpZi-mP4)
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 07, 2023, 08:15:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-C9zYsk0yw - YouTube (https://youtube.com/live/Ni959pj7dc4?feature=share)
Who's bored? LOL I'm going live in 15m!
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 12, 2023, 10:49:19 AM
OK!  Here's a belated update:  The mill is still waiting on me  :( :o but luckily @Crossroads (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33396) is taking over a couple customers for me!  8)

My back is the issue and it's been plaguing me for some time (if you've been reading older posts you knew that but for those that are just reading now, I was diagnosed with stenosis in the low back about 18 months ago).  However, I just learned this week that I have a bad disc that is causing all the pain (a lot of it making it difficult to sit, stand, walk or rest) and I will be getting a steriod shot (or something like that) in the spine where the disc is to reduce the inflammation in the hopes that it will help.

I'm not done ;) But definitely going to be slower this year and may not be able to continue the business end of my sawmilling this spring/summer so if I get calls, I'll be handing them off to folks that can do the work (Kevin and possibly a guy over in Yakima who's a long time subscriber to my YT channel).

If you watch today's video (not quite out yet but soon) you may even notice the way I'm talking or moving...my back was killing me but I'm too dumb or stubborn to listen to it I guess....so I'm down but not out.

With luck I'll at least manage to get the mill maintenance done this weekend and maybe even stand long enough to tear into that pump motor but I'm not promising anything LOL.

Anyhow, thanks for all the help you all provided and continue too!  It's appreciated and I can't wait to have Kevin down here and do some filming of his operation!  Should be fun bringing you all another member's operation!

Cheers
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 12, 2023, 11:36:32 AM
A Log Deck for Your Sawmillâ€"Find Out How and Why Now! - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7FJFs2nppU)
Got it done!  

Now with luck I'll fix the next sawmill problem, get my back sorted and out and get more milling done!  Woot!
Luckily I filmed plenty on this trip so have a few weeks of content I can work on while stoved up ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 16, 2023, 02:57:46 PM
Update:  So I do have a herniated disc but had a steroid shot in my back today which hopefully will help!

Can't wait to watch @Crossroads (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33396) in action and get some video to share of his operation!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Crossroads on May 17, 2023, 09:16:31 AM
Should be a fun trip, thanks for the hospitality 
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 18, 2023, 10:32:39 AM
 8)
The shot in the back appears to be working!  Almost instant relief!

Here's hoping it remains that way!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: doc henderson on May 18, 2023, 01:21:04 PM
the instant relief is usually the lidocaine nerve deadener.  the steroid takes a few day and is what will last 2 weeks to two years, depending on what the problem is.
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Post by: OlJarhead on May 18, 2023, 02:37:24 PM
Good point.  They did tell me that but boy it's been nice having a couple days of 99% less pain!

I learned that I have stenosis, a herniated disc and facet referral pain (which I assumed was caused by the disc but the doc said I had three different issues all requiring different treatments).

Truthfully, as a busted up old jarhead, I am used to pain for the most part but man this disc had me down for the count.  

But it means I get to see Kevin work and learn a thing or two!   :D  Can't wait actually.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 19, 2023, 11:20:39 PM
 
 What the???(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20230519_173726.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1684552761)
 
Now that's a sight!  @crossroads 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 20, 2023, 09:04:08 AM
https://youtu.be/ZfIP-XBqnFI
Meanwhile I was able to get some milling done before the mill and my back stopped me 😉
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 20, 2023, 02:54:42 PM
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20230520_110837.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1684608852)
 Kevin Hard At It
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Crossroads on May 21, 2023, 08:31:32 AM
It was a good time, glad to have finally met you and your wife!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 21, 2023, 09:25:54 AM
Was great to meet up finally!  We'll have to do it again, but maybe when I can walk better 😉
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on May 26, 2023, 11:27:55 AM
Alright!  The LAST log before I gave up (again)...now with my back maybe healing I hope to tear into the issue soon!  But here's the last log...
Can I Keep My Sawmill Up and Running? #woodmizer #lt40 #sawmilling - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgpLosqRzGM)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on June 02, 2023, 08:08:11 AM
My back is finally feeling MUCH better and I will be working on the mill this weekend (finally!).  I am super hopeful I can put all the suggestions together, plus what I had in mind, and get it running nicely again (instead of puking out black smoke).  I'll also be doing a live for the early risers and overseas folks in the AM (check out YT).

The plan for this weekend is to change the oil and filter, add seafoam to the fuel, change the plugs and air filters and fire it up.  If it is still unhappy I'll start looking at grounds to make sure they are all good.  Then, if not, I'll have to do more research as one viewer mentioned adjusting the valves which seemed a strange idea since it's an OHV engine and all previous OHV engines I've worked on were cam to follower to valve stem...but I'll look at all possibilities.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: doc henderson on June 02, 2023, 09:24:30 AM
the seafoam can smell funny (bad) and make a white smoke.  at high concentration to really clean, it may run rougher for a while as it un-junks stuff.
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 02, 2023, 10:16:42 AM
Thanks Doc!  Appreciate that.

And FYI -- the shot in the back is finally working!  Took almost 3 weeks before I could completely lose the cane!  Of course, I still have the issue with the Stenosis but at least I can finally pull the band off the mill, clean it up and do some maintenance!

On a side note, I'm working on editing the first of a series of videos I filmed while @Crossroads (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33396) was here pitch hitting for me!  Should be fun as I had 4 and 5 cameras running at times :D
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Post by: rusticretreater on June 02, 2023, 10:38:58 AM
Change the fuel filter too.  If you can, look down the carb throat while its running and see if the fuel is just spilling out.
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 02, 2023, 10:44:57 AM
This one is injected unless I'm losing it ;)

Today's video while I get busy!
Seeing DOUBLE? Two Sawmills? ODDS over EVENS? 😊🌲ðŸ"¨ #woodmizer #machine - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juV_bh9kCXQ)
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Post by: rusticretreater on June 02, 2023, 10:53:00 AM
oh, then you might have dripping fuel injectors.  Of course the plugs could also show you which cylinder is the problem.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: fluidpowerpro on June 02, 2023, 10:55:57 AM
I was the one that mentioned checking the valves. The last one I did was a Subaru EH72. After adjusting the valves it started much faster and sounded stronger.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on June 02, 2023, 11:04:49 AM
Ahhh thanks!  I seemed to be losing my mind lol

I WILL be checking everything I can as I need the mill running ASAP.  I have jobs need doing and since my back is again working I should be able to at least get these jobs done and the mill back to the cabin to finish off the log deck.

Thankfully Kevin bought me some time with the last two jobs but the next one is a gratis job for a family friend so I really want to do it - he's a neat old woodworker whom I met 20 years ago.
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 02, 2023, 11:10:15 AM
Quote from: fluidpowerpro on June 02, 2023, 10:55:57 AM
I was the one that mentioned checking the valves. The last one I did was a Subaru EH72. After adjusting the valves it started much faster and sounded stronger.
You must be Will! I'll try to remember that.  I usually try to associate my FF viewers with their nicks on FF but must admit I often get mixed up! lol need to make a meet up so I can remember better!  Kevin and I have spoken several times so he's easy to remember :D  Michael I can't remember his nick here LOL but then we spoke several times on the phone...I'm kinda bad that way but eventually get it right ;)
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Post by: fluidpowerpro on June 02, 2023, 11:43:13 AM
Nope, not Will. 
Tom
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 02, 2023, 02:22:37 PM
Funny -- there was a Wil on YT that made the same suggestion!  Ok TOM! lol I will do my darndest to remember that.
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 03, 2023, 08:34:38 AM
I'm doing a Live Q&A (morning coffee) and following it at 7am I'll be premiering @Crossroads (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33396) first of several videos!  
Milling Sycamore on a Woodmizer LT40 WIDE sawmill - YouTube (https://youtu.be/gJJvUczDOzE)
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Post by: Peter Drouin on June 03, 2023, 11:10:37 PM
 smiley_thumbsup
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 11, 2023, 07:01:35 PM
OK!  I was gone and out of range this weekend but here is Kevin tackling a crazy lig!  Woot!
https://youtu.be/aLIewMKf77g
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 13, 2023, 12:30:21 PM
Sadly, the mill still sits but I do hope to get back to it soon!

I had 8 needles stuck in my back yesterday for a test run on the ablation.  They were about 80% effective (in some ways 100%) but seemed to just let me focus on the other back issue (s) but I am hopeful that I will at least be able to stand up long enough to actually work on the mill.

I need to pull the band still and clean it up, then yank the plugs, change the oil and filters, plugs etc etc and run seafoam through it.  Then with luck it will be happy again and I can get back to milling.

Meanwhile, I did get to do some camping with the grand kids this weekend (a lot of sitting, no hiking but at least I got to watch them doing all manner of things) and will continue to bring you @Crossroads (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33396) running his mill over the next 2 or 3 weeks :D

Then, with luck I'll have gotten back on mine :D
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Post by: Crossroads on June 13, 2023, 03:37:22 PM
Glad you had fun camping, we missed you at the pig roast on the 4th , it turned out great. 
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 13, 2023, 04:20:36 PM
Sorry I couldn't make it!  But I WILL get up there one of these days!  
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 17, 2023, 07:42:40 PM
Had a rough week but I got the latest video out on the old jarheads YT channel :) and for those who want to see @crossroads in action, it's a good one I think! (though I think he made a great subject in the last two as well).

I am hoping to work on the mill tomorrow -- finally!  If my back holds out anyway.  Wish me luck and check out my latest video if you get a chance :D  I used FIVE cameras on it! (and didn't post a link in deference to the site since I do plug some things in the video which might buy me a cup of coffee if I get luck ;) )
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Post by: Crossroads on June 18, 2023, 03:37:13 PM
Another good video Erik, keep it up!
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 18, 2023, 07:41:07 PM
Thanks!  Easy work when there is someone doing all the milling etc 😉
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Post by: OlJarhead on June 20, 2023, 10:10:22 AM
Good Lord, I don't want to turn this into a pitty party LOL but this has been a rough couple years!

As it stands I have not been able to work on the mill but I do hope to soon.  I managed to take the grands camping (barely as I couldn't walk much) as Grandma and I had planned it much earlier.  However, between my herniated disc, facet referral pain and stenosis my back has not been treating me well.  Add to that my arthritis (hands and shoulders) is worse because I had to quit NSAIDs because they caused me an ulcer.

So, I have not torn the pump motor down yet, not done any work to the mill -- in part mind you, because I'm also working still (mostly though I've missed a lot).

I am remaining positive and intend to get the mill back up and running and back to the cabin and if walking beside it continues to be an issue I'll get a seat like MM and ride the darn thing!  So, hang in their and I'll keep working at it.

Meanwhile, I may need to start a new thread called "The Old Jarhead brings you someone else milling" lol -- as I do hope to get a few others on film and still have more videos of Kevin coming -- in this weeks it will be another 5 camera production (which takes a lot longer to put together) but I think it is a fun one with the Jeep doing a little log skidding, some fancy chainsaw work WHILE milling and more!  Woot!

I'll hand in there.
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 01, 2023, 05:34:07 PM
Wide Sawmill in Action! Sawmilling American Sycamore To The End. - YouTube (https://youtu.be/Etzs-KdZ_c8)
Finishing off the Sycamore 
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Post by: RetiredTech on July 01, 2023, 08:28:39 PM
  Sorry to hear you're still having back issues. People who have never had back trouble don't understand how bad it can be. I hope you get straightened out sooner rater than later. The worst misery I ever went through was when mine went out.
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 03, 2023, 07:06:25 PM
Thanks.

I'm hanging in there but it's hit or miss these days.  Most of the time I can't walk much without pain and start using a cane.  I do hope I'll get the ablation and maybe another steriod injection but I'm told it's not likely to improve much from here on out.

I don't like hearing that but I plan to be 'retired' or at least not working, again soon so I can take my time doing what I want (like fixing my mill which sits still since I last used it in, what?  End of April???  Sheesh).

If nothing else, I'll get a seat and run the mill at the property for myself and if I have to hire some help for the heavy stuff, so beit!
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Post by: RetiredTech on July 03, 2023, 07:51:14 PM
  Have you tried a Tens machine? It's not a permanent fix, but that's the only way I could get any rest when mine was really bad. The drugs just made me feel bad. You can pick a tens unit up cheap online these days. It doesn't fix the problem, just helps mask the pain. I also tried an inversion table. It relieved the pain as long as I was on it, but it would come back as soon as I would get off of it. It's amazing how such a small nerve can cause so much grief.
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 04, 2023, 09:42:54 AM
Haven't tried either but my chiropractor usually could get my back in order when it was just out of whack.  In this case the problem is so convoluted no one thing can resolve the issue.  The herniated disc is damaged and it sounds like permanent damage from what the doc is saying "it will never completely go away", the stenosis will pinch the nerves so they have to be burned away and the facets will rub one another so those nerves have to be killed too.

The hope at this point is to dull the pain enough that exercise isn't too painful to bother with and walking isn't a massive chore.  Then get back to doing what I love to do :D

I'm actually pretty positive and know the disc has healed enough to stop being painful most of the time, it's just being a bugger right now, so with luck we'll get that "months" of relief soon!
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Post by: RetiredTech on July 04, 2023, 10:03:46 AM
   I'm sure you'll get there. Sounds like they have a good plan. In my case they went in and chiseled bone away from the nerve  to relieve the pressure on the nerve and the pain. It took them three tries, but it's mostly good now. I still have to be careful and if it starts hurting it's time to stop. Push it too far and I'm down for a while. Other than that I can do what I want.
  I'd still look into a tens unit if it's going to be a while before they get to you. They're not expensive and battery powered so you can clip it to your belt and it goes where you go.
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 06, 2023, 07:29:05 PM
Thanks -- I'm not giving up any time soon ;)  Just a set back.

Going to make it to the cabin this weekend for some fire season prep and to work on the batteries a little (The LifePo4's are not balanced I'm told).

Then will have a weekend off so I should be able to work on the mill, then off to see my son in Canada for a week...when I get back, I'll have all the time I don't have now!  That means more mill maintenance, more shop time, more video editing time, more time to go watch other sawmills and film them and more time to run my own mill, slowly, for myself :D
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Post by: Crossroads on July 11, 2023, 12:20:20 AM
I just bought a trailer mount log loader without the trailer. Then I bought a pup dump trailer and box. That might be some entertaining footage taking the dump box off and the loader on. 
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 11, 2023, 11:44:26 PM
Bet it would!  Wanna wait a month? lol
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Post by: Crossroads on July 13, 2023, 08:07:26 AM
I'm in no rush 
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 13, 2023, 03:25:48 PM
Well then :)  Maybe I should come up and do some filming later in August :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 15, 2023, 08:58:24 AM
I am planning on working on the sawmill today finally!!!  Meanwhilebhere is @Crossroads (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33396) hard at it baking in the sun!
Unlocking the Hidden Potential of Old Maple Logs | Woodmizer Sawmill - YouTube (https://youtu.be/49FjPbUwJ6I)
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 17, 2023, 01:14:38 PM
Woot!  I think I did it!

I spent the day, finally, working on the sawmill -- ok a couple hours -- and I think I've resolved the issue but only some time will tell for sure.  I need to run a tank of fuel through it but it's running happier now.  At first, it looked like it blew out rust and crap (Sea Foam at work?) and then the smoke began to disappear other than a light puff on autoclutch on.

Oil and Filter done
Both Air Filters
Both Plugs
Thorough cleaning
Sea Foam in the fuel and let her rip! (ok, not quite but you get the idea).

So far so good! :D
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 18, 2023, 10:17:24 AM
Having the mill most likely sorted (I have one more thing to do with it on that front -- check all grounds) I am super excited as I'll be 'unemployed' again soon! (this is my last week).  Which means I'll have time to get back on the mill!!!  Plus, I should finally be able to sort out the laser (adjusting it), mill up the logs for an old family friend and get the mill back to the cabin where I need to get some milling done.

Yes, the back has slowed me down but with me milling for myself I can take more time and longer breaks :D  I'll also be able to take the time to work in the shop.  Heck, I should even be able to get that pump motor torn down.

The last 9 months have reeked havoc on my plans but with them ending now I can finally see the light again! :D  Woot!  8)
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 20, 2023, 02:53:08 PM
Badi babadi badip that's all folks...

I leave work at this location for the last time shortly :)  Woop!  8) 8)
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Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 20, 2023, 03:04:02 PM
OK! now its finally time to get down to the serious work of enjoying life. And don't go back there again!
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 20, 2023, 03:07:22 PM
Amen!  And I did just fix the mill (I'm pretty sure anyway) so I need to make sawdust right after taking a short vacation :D
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Post by: Magicman on July 20, 2023, 03:16:43 PM
Fixed but not complete.  I see two additional hydraulic Side Supports and an Operator's Seat. 

Woot !!!  :D
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 20, 2023, 06:09:03 PM
I suspect so lol
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 22, 2023, 03:19:47 PM
Woodmizer Sawmill Maintenance: Keeping Your Sawmill in Top Shape! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/NdHM90AXGQQ)
Thanks to all of you I think it's G2G again!
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Post by: Magicman on July 22, 2023, 04:07:52 PM
What....you didn't slice da bread !!!  :o
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 22, 2023, 07:03:47 PM
lol true!  But I will soon!

We are camped out at Lac La Hache Provincial Park just north of 100 Mile House.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20230722_153618.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1690067015)
 
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 23, 2023, 12:56:53 PM
Quote from: Magicman on July 22, 2023, 04:07:52 PM
What....you didn't slice da bread !!!  :o

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20230723_094722.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1690131349)
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20230723_094716.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1690131350)
Done!  Mmmm
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Post by: Magicman on July 23, 2023, 03:18:40 PM
OK, now I am content.  food3
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 23, 2023, 08:04:10 PM
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20230723_161237.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1690157003)
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20230723_160438.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1690157002)
We delivered the goods!
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Post by: beenthere on July 23, 2023, 09:23:46 PM
Those kids need more toys...  :D :D
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 24, 2023, 10:23:48 AM
Just one kid but I had been collecting Hitwheels for his dad 25 years ago and finally managed to deliver them all 😉 Most still in bubble wrap too.

There is a strong Filipino community here and I suspect the massive toy amount (outside of the boxes we brang) is in part a result of that community lol
But mom and dad have been giving a lot away to reduce it a little.

LOL and we didn't help hahaha
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 31, 2023, 05:43:28 PM
Eagle Bluff Fire in Oroville WA & Lone Line Fire in Osoyoos BC #Wildfire #forestfire - YouTube (https://youtu.be/iSSPqnHZAZA)
We drive through the Eagle Bluff fire on the way home!  Way to close to our property for comfort even though it's 20 miles as the crow flies (or so).
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Post by: Peter Drouin on July 31, 2023, 10:43:28 PM
Once you learn to work with the seat, you'll say, why didn't I do this a long time ago?
You can do more with it. and cut a lot faster.
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Post by: OlJarhead on July 31, 2023, 11:59:16 PM
I am going to have to!
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Post by: Magicman on August 01, 2023, 07:57:20 AM
Peter modified his Operator's Seat for easy off-on because his sawmill is set up permanent.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20011/IMG_4385.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1689636653)
 I use a step stool when the front is higher.
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 01, 2023, 08:10:15 AM
   My priorities in life are different so I am backing up to that picture of the sliced bread. That picture reminded me of many years ago we visited Heiny's Cheese Factory in Berlin Ohio (Amish country) and after a quick walking tour of how the cheese was made we visited the store and bought some cold cuts and hot pepper mustard then walked across the road to the bakery with the big picnic table on the porch for lunch. We bought a big loaf of Fresh Mueslix bread and sliced it with my Leatherman tool and slathered (Proper southern culinary term) the bread good with that hot pepper mustard, and added cheese and sliced ham and it was truly a feast. I had to walk back over to Heiny's store and buy some more HP Mustard before we left.

   BTW - on that trip we had Neele (Nee-lah) one of our German exchange student daughters along and she heard the women in the bakery talking in their native tongue and told us they were speaking German but it was "Old German" which I guess meant they had different accents and such. Of course I would never have known the difference if she had not mentioned it.
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 05, 2023, 08:59:16 AM
Thanks guys!

And here us the last of the @Crossroads (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33396) in action videos.

https://youtu.be/Rik3ofPdaxk
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 06, 2023, 05:21:06 PM
I need to go out and test what Kevin told me:  that he can run both his side supports and log clamp at the same time.  I seem to think I can't do that...hmmmm
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Post by: Magicman on August 06, 2023, 05:45:27 PM
Yes you can run two hydraulic operations at the same time.  They will be slower because you are dividing/sharing your hydraulic pump's output capacity.  A SuperHydraulic can handle it better, but it too will be slower.
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 08, 2023, 09:50:49 PM
I need to go try that.  I though the clamp and log turner can't run at the same time and the side supports are part of the cla.ps hydraulics
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 08, 2023, 09:56:14 PM
Well I'll be!  I can I deed.  Seems up on the side supports and in on the cla.p work but. ot down on the supports and in or out on the clamp
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 19, 2023, 11:27:49 AM
For those wondering about my laser install I finally finished the video...
https://youtu.be/_OioBMyBuh4

I think the Allison cam wins 😉
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Post by: OlJarhead on August 22, 2023, 07:01:35 PM
 8)  So I think I've finally sorted out my mill!

It wasn't the plugs etc as some (including me) expected but rather the O2 sensor -- but until I get a new one installed I won't be sure...stand by!
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 11, 2023, 09:39:57 AM
Did I Fix My Woodmizer Sawmill Finally? O2 Sensor Replaced! #sawmilling - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbwyDOn-duk)
I've been in the woods for 9 days and just got back -- and yes, this DID fix the mill!

I also tore down the hydraulic pump (as you may have seen in the maintenance thread) and the brushes were about half worn.  I'll get that fixed at some point too.

Best part of all this?  I GOT BACK TO MILLING!  WOOT!  8) 8)
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 19, 2023, 06:49:54 PM
Thanks to MM I learned to mill this way and I hope I did it justice in this vid!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aMwr2Sii_k (https://youtu.be/9aMwr2Sii_k?si=iK-IPr8AbkGaSra2)

Funny thing, the more I think about milling the more I think it takes thinking.  I've always felt the best sawyers are some of the more intelligent folks out there and it never ceases to amaze me how much they know and are willing to share!

Anyway, the "odds over evens" is what I came up with to remind myself to mill odds as they seem to have the greatest chance to NOT split the pith or put heart in the middle of side of a board.

Admittedly, I goofed up in the middle of this one, and it is not the first time  :D ;D but I always try to set up so I can box out the heart.

I should add that many of you have helped me along the way, not just Lynn!  But honestly, I have a hard time remembering everyone at the time I'm doing a recording, hence I often try to slip FF in there at least once when mentioning someone who's helped out along the way.

Thanks!
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Post by: Magicman on September 19, 2023, 07:23:52 PM
Keep screwing up and making mistakes.  Those are the ones that we never forget.  ::)
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 19, 2023, 07:33:09 PM
Quote from: Magicman on September 19, 2023, 07:23:52 PM
Keep screwing up and making mistakes.  Those are the ones that we never forget.  ::)
As long as I'm learning, I'm still alive!  8)
and making mistakes is my specialty ;)
It also occurred to me that it's the video I'm editing today that I mentioned your help though I may have in the above as well...they start to run together when you edit 5 days a week!  :o :o
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Post by: Magicman on September 19, 2023, 10:24:09 PM
I don't need any screwing up help.  ::) 

I was young and dumb once but I got over being young a long time ago.  :)
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Post by: RetiredTech on September 22, 2023, 06:54:34 AM
Great video. I'm just leaning to mill lumber and this one helped a lot. I've got a bowed log on the mill now. Hopefully I'll get some usable wood out of it. If not, with three houses to heat we always need more firewood and I'll learn a little more along the way.
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 26, 2023, 08:26:39 AM
How bad is the bow?  If it's really bad cut the log in half and cut shorter pieces if possible (make a 16 footer an 8 footer) and that can help.

Got a pic?

One thing I've learned is that you can joint out some of the crown if you get some but you can't joint out all of the crown ;) so make sure you put it where it will not be an issue (rafters, joints vs flooring, paneling, studs).

Seems to work for me :D
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Post by: RetiredTech on September 26, 2023, 09:14:13 AM
It was a log that had been down in the woods for several years. Not too bad of a curve. I cut it just like you said and got some usable 2bys and 4bys out of it. The first 3 inches or so had already deteriorated to much to be used, but the center was still hard. I built a box stand for my grandson with it and some old plywood my son left here.

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Post by: OlJarhead on September 26, 2023, 03:04:38 PM
Awesome!  I've actually milled old Pondo pine that was down a long time but off the ground and it was marbled and gorgeous!  Sometimes we get lucky!  8)
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Post by: OlJarhead on September 29, 2023, 04:38:28 PM
Looks like I will finally be milling for that old family friend next weekend!  Between my back etc and his age it's taken a bit to get it set up but the 7th it is.

Then I got a call from a lady who I was referred to by a past customer, she didn't want anyone else and talked me into it LOL -- truthfully I'm very selective but the logs she has sound like fun!  Cypress, Birch, Doug Fir and Scotch Pine...figured it would be something different and as I can use the content decided to go ahead.

I'm pulling the mill to the cabin to mill more pondo up for the cabin build after the 7th then will have to drag it back down before winter (I was planning on leaving it there to mill in the snow but might not be able to now)....so we'll see.

I'm really trying NOT to mill for others but I keep getting calls so now I'm being selective!!!

@Crossroads (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33396) remind me when you'll be here for that wide job?  I need to make sure I'm here! LOL  If during the week there is a 99% chance I will be ;) It's the weekends I'm concerned about now!!  Though November is slow for me so should be good!
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Post by: Crossroads on September 29, 2023, 10:33:14 PM
It will be Friday 11/10 should be an interesting job. 
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on September 29, 2023, 10:38:13 PM
X roads - But that is a national holiday! Semper Fi.
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 05, 2023, 07:34:50 PM
Right!!!  10 November 1775 My Marine Corrps Came Alive!

Wanna do a job in Yakima?  If so call me I'm trying to mill at my place and don't have a seat yet 😉
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 07, 2023, 08:38:51 AM
I've been working on this one lately; when I can't get two cants easily without splitting the pith.  This is not the most efficient way but seemed to work.

https://youtu.be/sXfMnkjhRYM

I think I will go back to 1 or 3 and move on though but it was a fun experiment.

I'm off to mill for that old friend.  Going to be a tough day as the herniated disc is angry but the grandsons want to learn about running the mill!
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 14, 2023, 10:20:29 AM
One thing I've pondered is that if you mill flitches on the edges of the main cant, and mill to a single cant, then those flitches will present the stress 90 degrees to where you want it.

With some framing lumber that's ok (blocking material, rafters, joists etc) but for studs it isn't.  That's why I was messing around with boxing out the heart in the middle and making 2x4's out of the mostly FOHC cants.  Seems to work but takes more time for sure.

In today's video I finish up the Dlogs, only fall on my butt once (maybe that should be in another thread lol) but survive and finish off the last of these pine logs for the cabin addition!

Sawmilling D Logs for our Offgrid Cabin Despite the Fall! #woodmizer #sawmill - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCcXwj2w7ZQ)

After returning home I geared up and went and did a job for an old friend of the family (I mentioned this previously).  It was fun but the 4 or 5 logs multiplied into 10 and I used an incredible 6 bands (which I now can't just send to WM Resharp) but I was happy to do the job for him (no charge!) as he's such a good guy and has been like "Uncle Joe" to my wife for a long time.  He's in his late 80's and still wood working with lots of plans so I'm hoping this gave him lots to do in the future! :D

Oh and he was beaming all day!  That's the best!  Of course, that video will take me a while to get out but I'm hoping to do it next week or weekend.

Lastly, my laser is almost done!  I had to do a little work to move a screw so it can be adjusted and moved it approximately in the right place before Uncle Joe's job and it was nice to have.  I've decided that all but super bright sun and this laser is awesome!  I can see the appeal now for sure and the Apinex laser is working well!
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Post by: doc henderson on October 14, 2023, 10:57:52 AM
Nice recovery.  glad there was not a flitch where you landed.  Your wife does well.  good second pair of hands.
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 14, 2023, 11:09:19 PM
Thanks!  Definitely could have been a LOT worse!  I was lucky.  I was also tired and super sore and should have stopped an a log or two earlier 😉
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on October 16, 2023, 05:52:40 AM
Quote from: OlJarhead on October 14, 2023, 11:09:19 PM
Thanks!  Definitely could have been a LOT worse!  I was lucky.  I was also tired and super sore and should have stopped an a log or two earlier 😉


Nice to think that way. But, we will finish the job that day.  :D :D ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 16, 2023, 08:32:21 AM
True that!  I wanted those logs done as I was already late at this point ;)  It was pack up and leave day and I had 3 logs on the deck still...so...git 'er done!
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on October 16, 2023, 08:59:10 AM
Eric,

   I was watching the laser install and one thing I noticed was you had to remove all those little fasteners from various panels for access. One tip if you are not already doing it is buy several cheap magnets from HF and stick them on and around the control panel and as you remove a tiny screw with its washers and nuts and such stick them on the magnet near where you are working then they will be there when you need to put them back. They are also handy for holding paperwork to the mill like customer's cut lists or diagrams and such. I think they are about 50 cents each around here and are as handy as a pocket on a shirt.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: SawyerTed on October 16, 2023, 07:17:31 PM
So glad there wasn't an injury as a result that fall!  Considering your other back issues, it really could have been worse.  
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on October 17, 2023, 06:26:58 AM
Some from 1987
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 17, 2023, 11:53:26 AM
1987?  The injuries started in 1988 ;)  On the beaches of Morocco...

Thanks for the tip on the magnets, I have the bowl types I'm always using but your idea is great for paperwork!  I love it.

Sawyer Ted -- yup.  Thankfully I did not injure my back more!  (side note:  it's worse than I let on in my videos but that's life.  Move on and keep moving or lose the ability to move all-together -- at least that's what my doc says when I say I refuse to quit).  Worse still is that I cannot take any anti-inflammatory's :( as they gave me ulcers so now I'm only taking Turmeric and trying to drink more water but this means I got to learn just how much that 1000mgs of Naproxen was doing for me daily (when I try to walk up the stairs to my office in the morning I'm reminded REALLY well as my knees scream at me).

I get my hands shot up again today (going to hurt this time I'm thinking -- it always does but without the Naproxen the inflammation gets worse and it's harder to jam that big needle into the joint -- ouch!  But, afterwards I can use my thumbs for another few months ;)  It's a trade off.  Hopefully I'll get the shot in my back again soon too then I may even be able to exercise which I need deeply.  I try not to talk too much about it -- and here I am blathering on -- but I have patella femoral syndrome in my knees, arthritis in my hands and shoulders (luckily the shoulders don't need shots) bad discs from my tail bone to my head ;) with one herniated disc in my lower back, stenosis and facet referral pain due to the other discs compressing and that's just the start of a very long list most from my Marine Corps days...seems they are all coming back to haunt me now but I say 'screw it' and plan to head back to the cabin this week to get more done  ;D :D :o

I guess in the end I hope some day someone will say "the old jarhead never quit so I aint gonna!"  Ooorah!  Pass the pain killers and let's get moving (oh and I don't take pain killers I was just making a joke though the doc offered Acetaminophen since it doesn't hurt my kidneys (which took a beating from the naproxen etc) or guy (NSAIDs) but will be hard on my liver (so less bourbon 30.....hmmm) AND I was also told to cut down on my coffee.

Someone shoot me! LOL  Nah, I'll cut back to two small cups of coffee a day and already cut out a lot of the hard stuff (and don't drink beer or wine)....but after a hard day beating myself up a stiff Kentucky Bourbon goes a long way to taking the edge off ;)
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Post by: TimW on October 17, 2023, 11:59:33 AM
Eric,
  I don't remember if I have said it the past, but say it now..... THANK YOU and all the other vets here for Y"alls Service!!!
         Y'all are the bestest!
               hugs,  Brandi
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 17, 2023, 01:29:38 PM
Thank you Brandi!  I'd do it all over again even knowing where I'd end up today ;)  

Heck, I often feel like saying "THANK YOU! for being such great people!  It was an honor and a pleasure to serve, so much so I did it again later!"

Cheers
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: SawyerTed on October 17, 2023, 03:33:03 PM
Did you figure out why you fell?  The video seems to show your left leg tripping over a slab or stick extending out of the pile. 

I'm thinking there might be some learning for the rest of us in this incident.  
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 19, 2023, 08:40:12 AM
Yep and you nailed it.

I was not paying attention and the slash pile was haphazardly dumped there and one piece was sticking out sideways.

The lessons here are:  don't be in a hurry, be neat and deliberate and when walking backwards MAKE SURE the path is clear! 

I could have been hurt there, specially with my back issues (as well as wrists etc) but managed to roll with it ok.

Meanwhile, we took some of the wood I milled back in the spring and did this:
Must See! Saving Our Offgrid Cabin Outhouse! #sawmill #offgridcabinbuild - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gf3iNqW0v0)

I'm super stoked actually -- I know, an outhouse?  But I hate leaving anything to fall apart and now it's shaping up to be the Taj McPrivy!  Woot!  8) :o
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: TimW on October 19, 2023, 11:34:21 AM
Yep, keeping it neat around the mill helps staying upright.  Large pieces of bark layered up can topple you also. 
                 hugs,  Brandi
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: SawyerTed on October 19, 2023, 12:25:59 PM
It is easy to let a "housekeeping" item become dangerous.   

Not chastising because I'm guilty too!

Maybe some of Eric's followers, me included, will avoid something similar or worse by learning from his incident.  
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 25, 2023, 10:14:40 AM
Yes!  This.

I don't hide my mistakes for that reason ;)  Others might learn by it.

Keeping the mill area clean is important and I've fallen prey to it more than I'd care to admit...I'm usually charging ahead, *DanG the topedo's and full steam ahead!

And got bit ;)

Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on October 26, 2023, 12:46:09 PM
On a side note, I left the sawmill at my cabin this past weekend.  I'd taken it up to run some logs through it but never got there.  I was too busy trying to get the insulation under the porch floor and the hardware cloth under that to keep the rats from stealing it all.  :o

I did get more trees felled and bucked and even stacked where it will be easy to move them to the sawmill yard and I fixed the tractor too which had a broken joystick.  So, got all that done, and left the cabin after emptying the lube jug and literally blowing in the feed tube to push some of the water out since my compressor was packed  ;D :o ::)

I hope I cleared enough of the water mix out when I did because it's getting into the TEENS now!

I also attempted to blow out the water lines but something was amiss.  I need to rig up a new way to blow them out because my taps are getting to where they seem to get plugged.  I put in a debris screen finally but it was a day late I guess.  So, the week after next I'll go back and hope and prey everything worked out!

Meanwhile, I finally got video one of milling for old joe out today!  He's a neat old guy who did some amazing woodworking and is still at it.  The trees were blown down in a storm this spring and I offered to mill them up for him so he could do more projects.

I recently told someone that one reason I could do that (for free) and not worry about band costs, fuel etc, is because of all my YT viewers!  So, to all here that watch, thank you!  I'm hoping to do more of that (milling up for folks in need who can't afford it, or maybe could be it's a good cause) and YT is making that possible for me.  So again, THANK YOU!


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/20231007_155653.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1698338454)
 

Hard at it near the end of the day.
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Joe asking about the different species.
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You can't really tell but he was loving it!
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He kept saying things like "This is amazing!" and "I've got projects!"
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The grandsons helped out and the one on the right actually ran the mill.  It was tough trying to teach with the noise level but he understand better now and wants to do more!  The younger one (left here) ran the hydraulics and metal detector etc - and they both ran cameras and were great at doing that!  They both want to do more filming and these two are the entire reason I began to get serious about YT in the first place...they were the instigators from the start.
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Post by: OlJarhead on October 27, 2023, 08:29:23 AM
And here's the video I did for Old Joe  :)  I'll be working on more from this day but I decided to try to show the entire day in one video including the spring when I moved the logs :D

Enjoy!
From Storm to Sawmill: Salvaging His Fallen Trees! #sawmilling #woodmizer - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18y-CmtIwe0) 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 06, 2023, 09:42:22 AM
I had fun with this one ;)  More rock, less talk!
Watch this Woodmizer Sawmill in Action! Sawmilling Pine for Uncle Joe! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/9i6iciMcvZc?si=Fy9TiwGOHEvbzvEg)

I have a few more from the "Uncle Joe" series to get out yet and hope to have them out this week.

Thanks to all that watch my videos I was able to do this for Joe for free.  No charge at all.  He's a pretty neat guy and Darci thinks of him as 'Uncle Joe' though we don't actually see him very often.  I've always been impressed by his carvings and paintings and am only too happy to contribute and give him more wood to work with in the future.

I'd also like to thank all of you and though I only mention Jake in this video and the previous (not linked here) if it weren't for all of you I wouldn't have all these little tidbits to share :)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on November 08, 2023, 06:01:35 AM
Nice job on the outhouse. I know it isn't all about $$ sometimes.
Relative or not. 
To some, it's all about the $$. Makes me sick. I stay away from them. Till they show up here, then they get a special price. ;D
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Crossroads on November 08, 2023, 09:26:44 AM
You can see an example of the magnets on Friday, I have several, but the most important one holds my coffee cup 😝
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Post by: OlJarhead on November 12, 2023, 12:27:38 PM
Thanks Peter.  Money is important ;)  But I have always wanted to help others if it made sense to do so.  In Joe's case he's just a neat old guy that I hope and pray will get the chance to make something out of that lumber once it's dried.

Now, the Taj McPrivy LOL that will get finished one day but it'll be on the back burner until spring now as the dark time is here!  I was milling this week up there and ran out of daylight by 4PM....could have gotten more milling in had I not had to remove fencing first but now I hope to get back in a week and crank out more lumber for the cabin build.

Cheers

OH and Kevin, yup, saw those and know where I can get some.  They are the same type I use for my camera mount just smaller.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 28, 2023, 07:55:06 AM
Fun with @Crossroads (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33396) - Kevin takes on a mill squisher
MONSTER Black Forest Oak on the Sawmill! #woodmizer #LT40WIDE - YouTube (https://youtu.be/vWCEckjdl-g?si=DQPYiSVe_TSyiKfP)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 28, 2023, 10:33:58 AM
Here are a few pics I took from that day (Nov 10)

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Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on November 28, 2023, 01:13:30 PM
Nice wood.
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Post by: Magicman on November 28, 2023, 03:08:32 PM
When I get a log like that I will climb up 

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and sit on the back of the operator's seat so that I can look over the log and see the blade guide.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on November 28, 2023, 07:45:18 PM
I like it!!  I still need to get Kevin's seat so I can try it out as my back is not treating me nicely (or maybe I'm not treating it right).

The ablations helped but I guess that meant I just did more and aggravated the herniated disc.  walking isn't much fun anymore.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Nealm66 on November 28, 2023, 08:30:09 PM
Really liked the video. As I'm in the hunt for a new sawmill it really helps seeing how well that lt40 handled that large log and made perfect slices with a highly skilled sawyer operating it. Im thinking of the lt50 with the wireless but a call to woodmizer says it's a 46 week wait so watching the used market. Sad to hear your back is giving you issues as I really enjoy and learn a lot from your videos 
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on November 28, 2023, 10:41:42 PM
I do the same thing MM  ;) for the BIG ones.

OLJarhead, When you work with a chair, you will ask why did I not do this years ago.
Make a cut to the end, step off and the wood is right there, set it out past the sawdust winrow.
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If you have help, you will be waiting for them because you will be flying back for the next cut at top speed, Then you will hit the down handle before you get to the end of the log. for the next cut. :D :D :D :D

When I was on the road cutting alone, In the pix I could take 5 or 6 boards off at I time. pivot the bunch on the cant and puch.  :D ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on November 28, 2023, 10:47:33 PM
The slab pile you see is from the first bunch of logs I cut. I would put the slabs close, as long as I could hook the mill to the truck, Like MM says I cut them and leave them, or something like that. :D :D
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Post by: OlJarhead on November 28, 2023, 11:05:33 PM
Quote from: Nealm66 on November 28, 2023, 08:30:09 PM
Really.....
Thanks!  And don't worry!  I ain't stopping, just slowing down!  A little 😉
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Post by: Magicman on November 29, 2023, 07:19:39 AM
Looks like I ain't slowing down....but speeding up  :o   Help Help !!!
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Post by: SgtHavocUSMC on November 30, 2023, 05:53:24 PM
Semper Fi Marine, Keep up the great work. We are just getting ready to get our sawmill here in Maryland on the Farm I manage. Really looking forward to it. We have 300+ black walnut trees in an orchard the previous owner started growing many years ago. We also have about 30 acres of wooded acreage that we are working on thinning out to allow the younger trees to flourish.

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Post by: beenthere on November 30, 2023, 06:16:52 PM
Sgt
Welcome to the Forestry Forum.
Tell us more about the orchard of walnut trees. Sounds very interesting. When planted? A few pics.. we like photos
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Post by: OlJarhead on November 30, 2023, 08:01:55 PM
Semper Fi Brother!

If you have any questions THIS is the place to be!  I cut my teeth here and in part that's why I do my videos (to share what I learn here).

Welcome!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on December 06, 2023, 10:04:41 AM
I might have to change this to "@crossroads Milling Thread" LOL   but I'm happy to send work his way when I'm trying to only mill at the cabin and since I left the mill up there for the winter...
This log was pretty ugly and required some work to get it on the deck but Kevin has been at it a while and knows what needs to be done.

This is NOT Quarter Sawing and it's NOT Wrong! #sawmilling #sawmill #woodmizer - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rCksiCD-sA)

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Post by: Magicman on December 06, 2023, 10:41:10 AM
Absolutely, the customer's cut list is always the boss.   ;D
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Post by: Crossroads on December 06, 2023, 06:23:31 PM
I appreciate the referral and It's always fun to have challenge!
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Post by: terrifictimbersllc on December 06, 2023, 06:32:50 PM
yo Kevin, looking good!   :)
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Post by: OlJarhead on December 17, 2023, 10:49:05 PM
Got some milling done this weekend 🙌 
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Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on December 18, 2023, 07:53:57 AM
That little 12v solar battery maintainer did it's job!  Battery voltage was 12.63v when we got back to the cabin after a month away and temps in the mid 20's at night.  Mill fired right up and was happy as a clam though it did take a while to get everything warmed up for milling.

Milled up 2 decent Doug Firs into 2x6's and a couple into D-Logs so was super happy about leaving the mill there.  Also got a lot of work done around the place (got the generator up on a pallet - it will go on a concrete pad this spring - and changed the oil and filters, burned slash etc) and am looking forward to getting back next month for more!

At the rate I'm going, I'll need to fall some timber this winter!  Woot!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: jb616 on December 18, 2023, 11:55:06 AM
Which Solar battery maintainer did you get?  I have a definite need for one...or two. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on December 18, 2023, 01:22:22 PM
https://amzn.to/4anhJK5
That's the one :)  I bought it back in 2020 and it sat for 3 years!  I finally put it to use and this trip has me glad I did.

Originally I bought it for my tractor and I think I'm going to get another one now for the tractor!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on January 11, 2024, 09:34:31 AM
 
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So, my LiFePo4 batteries are in danger!

They can discharge down to -4F but should not stay there long or get colder.  In fact, storage temp is 23F and they charge at or above 32F.  I'm told the extreme cold (sub zero) temps we are going to get starting tonight can damage the cells of the batteries if they get that cold.  They are in my porch and the solar heater does help but it doesn't do much of anything when it's cloudy and snowing and while I knew I needed to move them I'd read some bad data (the site I bought them on had one set of these batteries showing a discharge temp at -22F as seen here:

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22463/Mule24v.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1704983513)
 

But I've since learned that is incorrect (and in a way I'm glad they didn't fix it so I have a record of it ;)

In reality, my batteries are at risk and I have a heated room to put them in (which was the plan, I just wanted to finish it first) so my buddy Tim and I are headed back today to move the batteries and save them! (hopefully).

However, at 80lbs ea they will be a challenge to move though I have a tractor, forks and pallets so...wish us luck!

You can see them near the end of this video:
Outhouse Upgrade at our off grid cabin #offgridcabinbuild - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JK__uOUod0)

Wish me luck!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Nebraska on January 12, 2024, 08:36:41 AM
Is there enough soil to dig a pit cellar type hole to use ground heat to keep them from freezing?  Even a 12 in culvert 6 ft in the ground would keep enough heat coming into a well insulated box to keep it warm enough. I have a couple livestock waterers that work on that principle just a thought you're probably too rocky up there to make it work.  Just as thought.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on January 13, 2024, 08:25:52 AM
No need 😉  I have a super insulated room that is sunk  2 feet below grade that I keep at 50F year round.  I just want ready to move them into it but made it happen!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Nebraska on January 13, 2024, 09:48:52 PM
Ahead of me. Sounds like you are on it.  ;)
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on February 09, 2024, 10:37:16 AM
Heading back up today to the cabin and hoping to finally run the sawmill again though I only have 3 small logs (ones really not big enough) to deal with.  Don't think I'll fall anything but I'll maybe get a D-Log milled up and maybe some 2x4's.

Of course, that assumes the battery has held on (it's on the solar maintainer so it should but it's weak) since I haven't replaced it yet.

Here's hoping for a great weekend at the cabin (and hoping for no flooding beyond what was seen already!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on February 15, 2024, 12:48:05 PM
:snowball: One thing I've learned recently -- check the darn alternator belt.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 07, 2024, 11:57:42 AM
Howdy!  It's been a while since I posted here.  Partly because my mill is down waiting for me to install a new alternator which I hope to get done next trip in March.  I had it this last one but failed to check it out and only noticed it lacked the pully when I pulled it out of the box to install it on the mill....and the old one was at home 240 miles away :(

Anyhow, the trip before that I had a good weekend at the cabin and for fun I made this video :D  This one folks, is a little poking fun at my buddy Mike.  He also makes videos and usually says something like "what's a video without making a tree fall down and go boom"....so, enjoy ;)

Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 25, 2024, 08:40:15 AM
Well shoot!  I replaced my alternator (I had it tested and it was only kicking out 13.2v) with a new one, ran a couple logs through the mill and noticed the electric motors seemed slow and by Sunday my hydraulics were killing the sawmill.

Checked voltages and nothing coming from the alternator!  I will have to do more testing and the mill is 240 miles away so it will be a few weeks but needless to say I'm a little perplexed!
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: Peter Drouin on March 26, 2024, 07:42:30 AM
That seems odd. Good luck to ya.
Title: Re: OldJarheads Milling Thread...
Post by: OlJarhead on March 26, 2024, 08:08:45 AM
Agreed!

Usually an alternator is pretty simple; pull old one, replace old one (and belt in my case) and voila! it's charging.

In this case changing the alternator didn't change anything.

I didn't open up the console (I should have but after dropping a dlog off the wall and lifting it back up by hand my back was telling me I'd just wasted my steroid injection) but plan to do that next trip to the mill.

I'll call James at WM in Oregon and see what he says too and then prepare to work on the mill.  If I can't sort it out I'll drag the mill home so I have access to it during the week.