White ash prices

Cub · January 31, 2018, 10:26:00 PM

Hey guys. Just getting ready to start a white ash swamp project. Hoping to get a good 4 weekends in before things start breaking up. Hoping to finish up where we are now on Saturday and start cutting white ash Sunday. So my question is what kind of prices are you guys seeing for ash verneer, saw#1 and saw #2?

Blue Noser · February 01, 2018, 06:51:22 AM

We are quite separated geographically but I will chip in for those who may be interested.I can't find much for prices in my area for white ash veneer/saw material. Probably because it's occurrence is localized and it's not a major component of the overall industry. That and the fact the quality hardwood market here is almost non-existent.

I do know of one buyer who will pay $200/cord for white ash sawlogs for making into lobster traps. I think the specs are minimum 6" top, at least 2 clear faces, and 8' 6" - 16' 6". He is not near as picky as sawmills in regards to defects as he only needs pieces 2-3 feet in length or so for a finished product.

nativewolf · February 01, 2018, 07:02:27 AM

Quote from: Cub on January 31, 2018, 10:26:00 PM
Hey guys. Just getting ready to start a white ash swamp project. Hoping to get a good 4 weekends in before things start breaking up. Hoping to finish up where we are now on Saturday and start cutting white ash Sunday. So my question is what kind of prices are you guys seeing for ash verneer, saw#1 and saw #2?

In Virginia everything is EAB killed but the buyers are paying $600/mbf (doyle) for logs, straight run pretty much. I suppose I could get veneer pricing somewhere but I don't try. We just throw them on top of the loads.

PA_Walnut · February 01, 2018, 07:54:49 AM

Yep. They are paying-up for ash around here too. Last guy told me that the log yard was paying $700/Mbf for average straight run. I've turned it down for lot less.

Strange thing is that it's fetching a LOT more than cherry. I'll take the cherry any day, even if I have to sit on the lumber for a while. Wood hoarding isn't beyond me. ;D :D :laugh:

nativewolf · February 01, 2018, 08:26:17 AM

Quote from: PA_Walnut on February 01, 2018, 07:54:49 AM
Yep. They are paying-up for ash around here too. Last guy told me that the log yard was paying $700/Mbf for average straight run. I've turned it down for lot less.

Strange thing is that it's fetching a LOT more than cherry. I'll take the cherry any day, even if I have to sit on the lumber for a while. Wood hoarding isn't beyond me. ;D :D :laugh:

I could not agree more. Why ash is getting so high I dont' know. Fine wood but a bit plain and I could replace with poplar, pine, etc. Cherry is cheap and is a wonderful wood to work with and beautiful in appearance.

PA_Walnut · February 01, 2018, 08:38:42 AM

I am capturing the opportunity and hoarding-up cherry. I can get it readily right now...NICE stuff!
What's not to love?

Stoneyacrefarm · February 01, 2018, 03:50:33 PM

In my area up here I am getting 300-1050 a thousand for ash.
300 a thousand for pallet and up to 1050 a thousand for better export logs.

logbyr · February 01, 2018, 06:22:24 PM

Ash market is being fueled by chinese sawlog market. They have been buying all the ash logs they can get their hands on the last few years. They realized this year that the EAB is going to soon make the species very limited. That has put some new effort into their procurement.
Domestic sawmills, handle mills, bat makers all fighting for the resource before it becomes unavailable.

PA_Walnut · February 01, 2018, 07:14:33 PM

*DanG that gripes me. :-[ >:(
When's the last time you heard of a Chinese log being imported here?

When we can't make baseball bats here any longer, China will sell us some. :

coxy · February 01, 2018, 07:55:49 PM

Quote from: logbyr on February 01, 2018, 06:22:24 PM

Ash market is being fueled by chinese sawlog market. They have been buying all the ash logs they can get their hands on the last few years. They realized this year that the EAB is going to soon make the species very limited. That has put some new effort into their procurement.
Domestic sawmills, handle mills, bat makers all fighting for the resource before it becomes unavailable.

ya because there government shut down all logging on there land if they want to pay what there paying ill sell it to them all day long

starmac · February 01, 2018, 09:04:35 PM

I know exactly nothing about logging in China, but never plan to go there anyway. I am not sure why we would want them to export logs to us at all. I do know they import lots of logs from the west coast too.
from what I understand about the eab, it seems like them buying it is a win win, no?
It seems crazy how much difference there is in price for different areas, even some that are not that far apart.

ahlkey · February 01, 2018, 10:27:51 PM

Right now white veneer prices are down significantly from last season. If you are harvesting a swamp you may ttle have a large number of black ash which is even lower. I recently sold a load of white ash at just over $500 for veneer and as low as 300 per thousans for number two. A good thing most were veneer but still not great.

starmac · February 01, 2018, 11:09:39 PM

Quote from: PA_Walnut on February 01, 2018, 07:14:33 PM
*DanG that gripes me. :-[ >:(
When's the last time you heard of a Chinese log being imported here?

When we can't make baseball bats here any longer, China will sell us some. :

I can't even remember the last time I was in the market for a baseball bat, but I bet china already sells us some.
If they can send it over hear and sell it for 3 cents less than one built here, folks will be all over them.

coxy · February 02, 2018, 05:51:05 AM

Quote from: starmac on February 01, 2018, 11:09:39 PM
Quote from: PA_Walnut on February 01, 2018, 07:14:33 PM
*DanG that gripes me. :-[ >:(
When's the last time you heard of a Chinese log being imported here?

When we can't make baseball bats here any longer, China will sell us some. :

I can't even remember the last time I was in the market for a baseball bat, but I bet china already sells us some.
If they can send it over hear and sell it for 3 cents less than one built here, folks will be all over them.

your right whos fault is that ours

logbyr · February 02, 2018, 06:57:18 AM

There is a debate we can all have on log exports. As to the current ash market if it were not for the Chinese market ash prices would have tanked deeply. The domestic market could never have absorbed the massive volumes that have been cut in recent years.

Stoneyacrefarm · February 02, 2018, 09:44:18 AM

Logbyer
I agree totally.
Ash prices tanked in my area a few years ago.
The export market surely brought prices back up.
We are also seeing a better market for yellow birch up here for the baseball bat market.

nativewolf · February 02, 2018, 11:41:26 AM

Quote from: PA_Walnut on February 01, 2018, 08:38:42 AM
I am capturing the opportunity and hoarding-up cherry. I can get it readily right now...NICE stuff!
What's not to love?

Leave it to you to hoard that pallet wood. Seriously, that's pretty. I can't see paying Ash money for that...but there you go. Smart move to get some good stuff layed away.

mike_belben · February 02, 2018, 12:32:59 PM

Send every log you can to them at max prices and bring our USDollars back home to spend in our local communities. They already got all our factory jobs and scrap metal.. Resources is all that we have left to sell the chicoms.

Because USD is still the world reserve currency (probably not for much longer) and all other countries need petrodollars they all compete to sell us their junk to get our paper money. Exporting things to get some of that money back is the only way we can enrich our communities without printing more money which makes us all poorer.

Export whats grown and buy more land to grow more!

mike_belben · February 02, 2018, 12:35:38 PM

Besides.. You dont want chinese timber imports.. Where do you think emerald ash borer came from in the first place?

Did you know china exports granite to NH.. The granite state, cheaper than its mined in NH? Our free market cant compete with a subsidized govt owned economy

coxy · February 02, 2018, 02:40:35 PM

mike why cant we compete oh that's right it takes 15 men/women to look after one guy to make shur he doing his job and 30 more people to look after the other 15 to make shur they are doing it right all getting big money pay checks while the product being made wont even pay the wages for the first 5 people involved that's why we have to import just like Trump said the empire state building was built in 1 year now it would take 10 years just to get a permit just think how many people are getting a pay check in the first 10 years then say it takes another 4-5 to complete there getting checks then people wonder why an office space gets 10gran a month rent this country is insane on all the regulations everyone complains about garbage long side of the road well they make it so hard/expensive to rid of people cant afford to send it to the dump I called about skidder tires a 23.1-26 is 200$ to take to the dump

SwampDonkey · February 02, 2018, 03:04:11 PM

The local market here in New Brunswick is Garant handles. Prime ash is around $490/th and grade 1 is $343/th. Ash is a major component of the hardwood forest up here in the settled areas. It can be 5% or 80% of the hardwood stand, but overall 10-15% because maple is the dominant tolerant hardwood here.

I am so used to mills calling aspen, as "poplar" and maple/birch/ash/beech/oak as "hardwood". So we won't go there for argument sake. ;D On their spec sheets aspen (poplar) is a separate class, not in the hardwood class. Hardwood is the harder hardwoods, mostly tolerant hardwood. But white birch isn't tolerant, except that it grows to be real old up here. A 30" white birch is dang old. And if it is "mixed hardwood" on their sheets, it's not including aspen (poplar). A third class is "birch", yellow and white at some pulp mills or veneer buyers. Here is an example. Always been that way up here, always will be.

https://www.cvwpa.ca/products

Cub · February 02, 2018, 10:43:56 PM

I was told prices aren't to bad. 500/100 for verneer. 450/1000 for saw#1 and 350/1000 for saw#2. Before trucking. What do you guys think?

SwampDonkey · February 03, 2018, 12:13:56 AM

Sounds good to me. My prices are $CDN. Go for it. Up this way hard maple and birch is where the veneer money is.

Cub · February 03, 2018, 08:38:38 AM

Apparently soft maple is really good around here. Although I don't know much about all this stuff yet I was always told hard maple is a good market here also. Also basswood.