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Title: All of the sudden, it just died!
Post by: Jeff on November 07, 2005, 03:54:56 PM
I had started the mill and let it warm up a little bit after I put the saw head all the way up because I was geting ready to cut the legs off a 3 legged table to level it.  I got the table set and then engaged the clutch and BLAH. Died. Would not fire for nothing. I figured it was fuel, flooded some how. Well. I left it set and went back out and just jumped up on it to do a visual and found this. 

3 guesses?  :)

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/coil_terminal.jpg)
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Post by: GF on November 07, 2005, 04:06:35 PM
Possibly a 12V alternator connector, or starter solenoid connector.
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Post by: Jeff on November 07, 2005, 04:11:32 PM
close, you get one more guess... ;)
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Post by: Dan_Shade on November 07, 2005, 04:14:48 PM
battery terminal?
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Post by: Rockn H on November 07, 2005, 04:16:36 PM
Looks oftly clean.  Are you sure it came off the mill?  I'm sure it couldn't have come off of mine. :D :D
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Post by: ely on November 07, 2005, 04:18:14 PM
head bolt
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Post by: Rockn H on November 07, 2005, 04:18:55 PM
Since you said you got up on the mill.  Could it be off of the coil?
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Post by: Jeff on November 07, 2005, 04:30:09 PM
Quote from: Rockn H on November 07, 2005, 04:18:55 PM
Since you said you got up on the mill.  Could it be off of the coil?

Bingo.

Positive coil terminal. I just put that coil on this spring. Not surehow that could have broken like that. It still had one connector hanging on to it is why I found the end. I am hoping the coil on th engine that Kevin gave me at the pig roast is good.
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Post by: Jeff on November 07, 2005, 04:31:08 PM
I should have said the photo was NOT actual size.  :D
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Post by: twoodward15 on November 07, 2005, 08:37:18 PM
time to look in the mirror boss.  You're a pretty big dude ya know!!  Just snug, just snug.
Title: Re: All of the sudden, it just died!
Post by: Jeff on November 07, 2005, 09:03:57 PM
Well, that coil has been on there a while, the mill has sawn several thousand feet since the coil was installed. If I had had it break in my hand I suppose I would consider blaming myself for overtightening, but, do to the circumstances I hardly think that torque had anything to do with it. I am more inclined to think that when I put the head all the way up, a wire was drawn tight somehow. Dont know what else to think.
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Post by: Fla._Deadheader on November 07, 2005, 09:06:25 PM

Make a piggy tail curly thingy in the wire to allow for dem tings, EH ??
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Post by: Jeff on November 07, 2005, 09:31:46 PM
I will now.
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Post by: Rockn H on November 07, 2005, 10:31:39 PM
I don't know Boss, I would think it was just a stress crack( break).  Those motors vibrate a good bit.  If it was from a wire being pulled to tight, I'd think the wire should have been pulled out of it's terminal before it broke the bolt.  Just me thinking out loud. ;)
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Post by: Bro. Noble on November 07, 2005, 10:38:04 PM
You might be able to look at the break and tell if it was a fatigue break or a break from overtightening.

Lots of times a broken part will show an old break most of the way through and the final break will be shiny and could have been caused by a small stress or overload.
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Post by: Kevin_H. on November 08, 2005, 09:01:31 AM
Hey Boss, that coil from the old motor should be good, it was running when we took it off, On one cylinder, but it was running. :D
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Post by: rebocardo on November 08, 2005, 09:36:11 AM
From working on heavy duty trucks, you learn not to overtighten some of the smaller non-grade 8 bolts as such that you find on batteries, coils, etc. because if you overtighten them, then after it is subject to vibration (tractor trailer on the road) the part will fail because it is already beyond its yield strength.

Once beyond its yield strength it is only a matter of time before vibration bends it back and forth like a coat hanger and snaps it.

A good rule of thumb I use is to use a 1/4 ratchet, hold my fingers at the head (not handle) and tighten it until it does not move. That give about 3-5 foot pounds max for a 1/4" bolt. Most docs on small electrical connectors require 15 INCH pounds of force.

Yea, I thought it was the alternator stud too.



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Post by: iain on November 08, 2005, 02:14:31 PM
Hey jeff if you gonna be a furniture maker
got a 6tpi blade made to cut them legs 
makes a real smooth cut ;) ;)


iain
   
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Post by: SawDust_Studios on November 08, 2005, 09:07:11 PM
Heck, I wanna see a pic of the 3 legged table clamped to the mill  :D

You do a kitchen table for me, it's got a bit of a wobble.
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Post by: Jeff on November 09, 2005, 07:09:53 AM
I can do that when it gets light and if it quits raining. I got the legs cut but its still on the mill.
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Post by: chet on November 09, 2005, 08:58:29 AM
Quote from: Jeff B on November 07, 2005, 03:54:56 PM
I had started the mill and let it warm up a little bit after I put the saw head all the way up because I was geting ready to cut the legs off a 3 legged table to level it.  I got the table set and then engaged the clutch and BLAH. Died. Would not fire for nothing. I figured it was fuel, flooded some how. Well. I left it set and went back out and just jumped up on it to do a visual and found this. 

3 guesses?  :)

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/coil_terminal.jpg)



When ya look closely, dat stud don't have saw marks does it?   ???   ;D
Title: Re: All of the sudden, it just died!
Post by: Jeff on November 09, 2005, 03:31:58 PM
Dats really really funny der yooper boy. >:(  ;)  :D
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Post by: Gary_C on November 09, 2005, 11:14:58 PM
Jeff

Thats a good idea on the table legs. However it reminded me of the guy I used to work with in the Twin Cities. He bought a very nice antique table and drove his Mercedes Benz all the way to Pennsylvannia to pick it up. He threw a furniture pad on the roof and tied that fine table on the car with the legs sticking up. When he arrived back home after driving 2400 miles over many days, he pulled into his driveway, reached up and hit the button on his garage door opener, drove into his garage, and made firewood out of that table.  ;D ;D

It was at least 6 months before he confessed to what he had done.
Title: Re: All of the sudden, it just died!
Post by: Jeff on November 09, 2005, 11:30:00 PM
AND THAT reminds me of what my dad did one time.  We lived on the salt river, which runs in a deep river valley. We lived on the crest of the hill. Well, dad used to mow part of the hill by tying a rope to the mower and lowering it down and pulling it up. Well, he burnt up a couple 4 cycle mowers because of the angle they were on. No lube. SO... He decided that he was going to splurge and buy a lawn boy 2 cycle.  He went down to the ace hardware in midland and picked one up. Hauled it hom,e in the trunk of the 76 ford LTD. When he got home, he pulled into the carport and popped the trunk, then got out and unloaded the mower behind the car.  Mom hollered out to him so he goes inside to see what she wants. Not sure what it was noow, or where it was that he needed to go right away, but he jumped in the car and took off backwards. Yep, right up on the New Lawn Boy. He didnt go far as the mower caught, tipped up on edge, and the deck held both rear wheels off the ground.  I didnt here it happen , but I heard it after he got out of the car. This was one of thosre things that "could even make a preacher cuss"  :D    I HEARD THAT! :D

He had to use a jack to get the mower out. THe poor thing was like a table with one leg to short. push it down on one corner and another cornere would lift 2 inches off the ground. :D
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Post by: Furby on November 09, 2005, 11:35:58 PM
Gotten a couple mowers like that before.............. now I know how they got that way! :o :D :D :D
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Post by: Lud on November 10, 2005, 10:34:07 AM
I'm assuming it wasn't a Chippendale table, was it?

flipping the table upside down on a level surface....good.

maybe using a laser level on a tripod to get 4 clear marks....quick,  but double check each with rule.

cut with nice little finish pull saw.  Marples makes 'em for the box stores.  Awesome hand tool.


Using a WoodMizer to trim table legs...  Priceless!


(Do you use a 10 lb. sledge to swat flies??? ):D :D :D
Title: Re: All of the sudden, it just died!
Post by: Jeff on November 10, 2005, 10:40:04 AM
This is why I needed a 10 lb flyswatter:

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/tables.jpg)
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Post by: Paul_H on November 10, 2005, 10:53:43 AM
To keep Tammy off the tables?  :D
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Post by: Jeff on November 10, 2005, 11:12:13 AM
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/dangerous.jpg)
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Post by: Lud on November 10, 2005, 01:50:06 PM
.FINE LOOKIN' TABLES AND LADY.   SEE WHY YOU CHOOSE THE METHOD.
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Post by: Furby on November 10, 2005, 09:28:45 PM
Hey Jeff, refresh my memory, how thick are those tables?
Title: Re: All of the sudden, it just died!
Post by: Jeff on November 10, 2005, 09:47:10 PM
oh, a guess, 4 or 5 inches.
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Post by: Furby on November 10, 2005, 09:54:18 PM
A guess. ::)
Close enough!
Found a maple I might see about doing that with, haven't decided yet.
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Post by: Jeff on November 10, 2005, 10:06:04 PM
Get yer drag saw out!  Wait, you aint got a dragsaw.  :-\  ;D
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Post by: Furby on November 10, 2005, 10:11:24 PM
Very funny! :'(
I do still have the 3120 with the 72" bar though. ;D
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Post by: sawguy21 on November 11, 2005, 11:57:55 AM
You have a 3120 with a WHAT :o Is that your bucking/limbing saw?
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Post by: Furby on November 11, 2005, 12:11:22 PM
Yeah sure, I can just barely keep the tip off the ground!  :o

I bought it to do some big slabbing with and make cookies from some of these big butts.
It'll make cookies a LOT faster then Jeff's drag saw..... just not as much fun! ;D
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Post by: Stump Jumper on November 11, 2005, 04:59:26 PM
i seen that saw of furbys and i would'nt want to run it very long at all  :o :o
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Post by: SwampDonkey on November 15, 2005, 04:17:07 PM
Quote from: Jeff B on November 09, 2005, 07:09:53 AM
I can do that when it gets light and if it quits raining. I got the legs cut but its still on the mill.

No table, no supper. :D :D ;D
Title: Re: All of the sudden, it just died!
Post by: SwampDonkey on November 15, 2005, 04:19:29 PM
Quote from: Gary_C on November 09, 2005, 11:14:58 PM
Jeff

Thats a good idea on the table legs. However it reminded me of the guy I used to work with in the Twin Cities. He bought a very nice antique table and drove his Mercedes Benz all the way to Pennsylvannia to pick it up. He threw a furniture pad on the roof and tied that fine table on the car with the legs sticking up. When he arrived back home after driving 2400 miles over many days, he pulled into his driveway, reached up and hit the button on his garage door opener, drove into his garage, and made firewood out of that table.  ;D ;D

It was at least 6 months before he confessed to what he had done.

Now that's a good story. :D ;D