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Milling BIG Logs 62" dia White Oaks

Started by Ga_Boy, September 12, 2006, 07:45:59 PM

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Ga_Boy

We have set the date to start milling those BIG White Oaks that Dave, Dan and I par-buckled up on to our trailers.  We did a thread on them back in May when we hauled them off the job site.

We will start milling on Friday, September 21.  If anyone is interested in visiting and watching a swing blade reduce these 3 big logs in to lumber and saw dust let me know.  For lunch we will through burgers on the grill and for dinner we can chase down a few yard-birds and put them on the grill.

We would be glad to have anybody come down, over or up for a visit.  Shoot me a PM if you want to join in.





Mark
10 Acers in the Blue Ridge Mountains

HARLEYRIDER

I just finished up some red oak 44" to 34". Four 10' logs gave me 1500 bd ft+ of 1 by's




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sawguy21

Wow, I see some beautiful cabinets and ding room furniture coming from that. 8)
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fencerowphil (Phil L.)

Hey GaBoy,

This Georgia boy wishes he could bring his 10" Peter WPF and give
you a hand, but I have some 54" Pecan to wrestle with down here ..

AT HOME IN GEORGIA!

Phil L.
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Captain

Joel, I wish all the red oak I cut had money like that inside  :)

Captain

Burlkraft

Hold it right there.............

Where's yer slabber ??? ??? ??? You can't be cuttin' nice table slabs like that inta boards :o :o :o :o

How  do you sleep at night zzzz_smiley zzzz_smiley zzzz_smiley

I can see I better throw my slabber in da truck and head out right now :D :D move_it move_it move_it
Why not just 1 pain free day?

Dan_Shade

how do you guys dry a big slab like that?  i can see them looking like a "u" after the wood starts moving.

Woodmizer LT40HDG25 / Stihl 066 alaskan
lots of dull bands and chains

There's a fine line between turning firewood into beautiful things and beautiful things into firewood.

HARLEYRIDER

Quote from: Dan_Shade on September 20, 2006, 06:29:23 PM
how do you guys dry a big slab like that?  i can see them looking like a "u" after the wood starts moving.



I hear ya....I have allot to learn about drying. The widest I'm going for now is 16"

These four 10' logs gave us over 1600bd ft of 1 by's and lots of stickers. The pith in all 4 was all checked up from sitting 10 months.


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Jeff

Make sure ya get some pictures Mark! Do you have to block up the mill for that diameter?
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Dan_Shade

i'll take my camera and we'll get some videos too!
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lots of dull bands and chains

There's a fine line between turning firewood into beautiful things and beautiful things into firewood.

Ga_Boy

Not sure if I will have to block up the mill for these.  The dia is 62", I am hoping I can squeeze that extrat 2" out of my WPF.

I'll have my camera and I am sure Dave will have his as well.

Look forward to lots of pictures.
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DR_Buck

Camera is ready and batteries are charged.   Plan on being there by 8 AM.
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Ga_Boy

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Don K

If you ain't too tired, how about some pictures for us to WOW   :o :o   over? I would love to be there to see those clear white oak boards come rolling off behind that peterson.   8) 8) ;D
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Dan_Shade

we spent the better part of the day scratching our heads.

with big logs, the peterson has to be set up correctly around the logs or you can't clear it the entire way through.  we ran into this.

we also had to mess around with getting it blocked up and building a platform to start on.  we never got to the slabbing part.
Woodmizer LT40HDG25 / Stihl 066 alaskan
lots of dull bands and chains

There's a fine line between turning firewood into beautiful things and beautiful things into firewood.

Dan_Shade



then we went "oops", so we came up with this:






then more head scratching, to come up with this:



aha!






then we realized the saw was at head level.... which lead to... Carpentry!





and finally sawing



but then we realized the log was sitting too far to the left rail not allowing the blade full entry into the log... so we sawed down as far as we could, then moved the log out, which was another PITA all together. Methods were used which border on the stupid side of the stupid line, and we all would have been lectured from our mothers...

then we got the next log sitting into place ready for dave and mark to tackle it today, I couldn't make it because of other commitments today :(




more pictures in my gallery
Woodmizer LT40HDG25 / Stihl 066 alaskan
lots of dull bands and chains

There's a fine line between turning firewood into beautiful things and beautiful things into firewood.

Part_Timer

Looks like a blast.

To bad you couldn't have borrowed an ATS you could have just slid the mill sideways to make room beside the log instead of moving it.

What size lumber are y'all going to make?
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Dan_Shade

we were sawing a lot of 8-10" stuff, but we were sawing the worst part of the worst log.  lots of rotten wood...

mark borrowed a slabber, i'm not sure if they're going to tackle that today or not.
Woodmizer LT40HDG25 / Stihl 066 alaskan
lots of dull bands and chains

There's a fine line between turning firewood into beautiful things and beautiful things into firewood.

DanG

That looks like a pain in the posterior and a barrel of fun, all at the same time. 8) 8)

It also looks like a convenient time to grease the wheel bearings on that Hyster. :D :D
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Fla._Deadheader


I got some logs commin up, about that size. Don't believe my Peterson will saw both sides in one placeing. How did you saw the log completely, have to turn it ???

  Even sawing from both sides, one side will not let you get past the hub ???

  Is that a WIDE Peterson, or a standard ?? Mine's standard.  ::) ::)

  Let's see, what is Espanol for "Powder"  ??? ::) 8) 8) 8)
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   Second, it is violently opposed; and
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Burlkraft

Log splitter in a can...eh Deadheader ??? ??? :D :D :D
Why not just 1 pain free day?

Ga_Boy

Dan's post on not being able to mill the right side of the log was a little unclear.  What we wanted to do was double cut some 20" wide boards but we set the log too far to the right side of the frame.  We milled the butt log down till it was small enough to fit in the frame with out the blocking. 

Here are some pictures of the rigging we did.


Blocking for the rails, these cants are 8"X8" Sweet Gum that I had laying around.




Mill set up with the butt log, we had to block the mill up by 18" at the lowest point and by 25" inches at the highest point.




Dave Buckwalter scanning for metal.




I think I pushed Dan out of his safety zone.  On the picture where the Hyster wheels are in the air for the load, we countered this by setting a steel I beam on the rear of the Hyster and strapping it down, then Dan and Dave hung on the the back to keep the wheels on the gound enough for me to steer.  I am sure it looked funny be we got the job done.







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Dan_Shade

hah "out of the safety zone"

yeah.... i'd say...

all's well that ends well :)
Woodmizer LT40HDG25 / Stihl 066 alaskan
lots of dull bands and chains

There's a fine line between turning firewood into beautiful things and beautiful things into firewood.

Fla._Deadheader

 When we designed the Slabber Bar for our Peterson, we used the "Helper handle" at the dumb end. That will give me, hopefully, a 42" cut on a perfectly symetrical log.

  BIG logs will need to be split.  ::) ::) ::)
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   First, it is ridiculed;
   Second, it is violently opposed; and
   Third, it is accepted as self-evident.

-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

Dan_Shade

these big logs are a pain.  I knew it wouldn't be easy or fast, but man, it was much worse than I thought. 

however, I like a good challenge, it keeps me going.  this entire job has been "challenging" since the get-go.
Woodmizer LT40HDG25 / Stihl 066 alaskan
lots of dull bands and chains

There's a fine line between turning firewood into beautiful things and beautiful things into firewood.

Fla._Deadheader


Yeah, BUT, they have gorgeous lumber in 'em.  8) 8)
All truth passes through three stages:
   First, it is ridiculed;
   Second, it is violently opposed; and
   Third, it is accepted as self-evident.

-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

DR_Buck

Here are some of the 120 pictures I took the last few days working these massive logs.



Removing large concrete and rebar from the base of the butt log.


3 guys, a swing mill, all day and this is what we got milled on the 1st day. ;D      As Dan Shade mentioned in the post above, day one was a lot of learning. :P




Removing trash metal, and there was a lot of it!



Part way through the second log



Dont try this at home.  These guys are professionals  :D ;D :D ;D :D       After the mill frame is lowered back to earth, we're going to beam these logs back over and finish milling them.


   

OUCH !!! :(    Metal detectors don't find concrete  :( :'(

     

Who let these band-mill operators on a swing mill  ;D ;D



Half way down the second log.



Dave (DR Buck) and Mark (GA Boy) on the second log after removing 12 10 x 10 cants.



Here is a 'thin' slab.   We took a leveling cut because the slabber was not level to the top of the log after taking the blade off.   Notice how bright the sun is as we finish up on Saturday. :D


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Dan_Shade

I really wish I could have been there on saturday, actually, if I had it all to do over again, i'd have blown off my plans and went to Mark's instead!

oh well, i'll meet up with you guys next time around, i hope.
Woodmizer LT40HDG25 / Stihl 066 alaskan
lots of dull bands and chains

There's a fine line between turning firewood into beautiful things and beautiful things into firewood.

DanG

Well, you guys had quite an adventure dealing with that big ol' log.  I think I'd take a half-dozen 24 inchers over that, any day.  Good on ya for doing it, though, because it is historic wood. 8) 8)

Now, I got this Red Oak that's almost that big, and I gotta figger out how to deal with it. ::) ???
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DR_Buck



QuoteNow, I got this Red Oak that's almost that big, and I gotta figger out how to deal with it. 

DanG

Just read through this post and the other one about "parbuckling big logs", see how we do it........

.......................Then do it the RIGHT way ! :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D



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sprucebunny

That looks like alot of fun.

Thanks for the pictures  8) 8)
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Ga_Boy

Dan and Dave,

Let's plan on this coming Saturday to finish knocking these things in to 10 X10's and 10 X 20's.  Then we can use Dave's Woodmizer as a resaw.

Let me know if you both can make it on Saturday.  If anyone is interested in joining in send me PM.  For directions to my place go to my web site and there is a map feature there.

Mark's Page




Mark
10 Acers in the Blue Ridge Mountains

DR_Buck

Saturday will be good.  I'll bring the big trailer along.  Who knows. maybe I'll find a log or two on the way.   ;D
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submarinesailor

Good looking website.  Did Jeff build it?

Bruce

Ga_Boy

Bruce,

Yep, Jeff did build it and is my web master.....he found the back-ground graphics for me.


Lesson learned today.....

Slabbing is a two man job.  I finished a slab that Dave and I started on Satruday, it is tough pushing that 5' bar through White Oak solo..... smiley_whip
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DR_Buck

Finally got up the nerve to put the log with the concrete in it up on the Wood-Mizer today. smiley_mad_crazy

 

Thought we could salvage most of this valuable lumber if I cut down to where the concrete is and then quit.  smiley_headscratch   The first cut into the log I hit a good size (20p)nail.  smiley_furious


Then I started the second cut at 8/4.  You can see from the photo below I'm well above from where Mark hit the concrete with his high dollar Peterson blade. 


I got about 2/3 of the way down the log and drew lots of sparks.   smiley_furious

CONCRETE ! ! !
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This is the other end of the same concrete.  The tree had completely grown over where it had been put in.   As  you can see from the picture above, Mark just missed finding it with his chainsaw probe by 1".  ::)


.....and it sure did a number on my band blade.  :o


                ..........not a pointed tooth left on the band. ;D


I ended up chainsawing  the log into 2 pieces.   One 52" in length that I'll still get some 350 year old 8/4 slabs from and one nice piece of firewood with concrete in it.   I wonder how my log splitter will take it.  ???   I guess I'll find out tomorrow.  ;D

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brdmkr

Thanks for brining this back up to the top.  I enjoyed looking over the huge logs.  I hate when I hit trash in trees.  It seems I find nails with every blade!  Maybe a better metal detector would help ???
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Dan_Shade

hah hah, dave trashed a blade

:D


you had to know you'd kill one or two....
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lots of dull bands and chains

There's a fine line between turning firewood into beautiful things and beautiful things into firewood.

Norwiscutter

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DR_Buck

Concrete was no match for the log splitter !    ;D

Got it out in a few pieces.    This thing has been in the tree a long time.   The closest outside edge of the concrete was 4" from the bark.   I didn't count the rings, but I bet it was close to 5o years since it was grown over completely. 

The glove in the photo is for size reference.



In this photo, you can see large nails sticking out of the concrete.   I guess they used them like rebar to hold the concrete in place.   ???


Been there, done that.   Never got caught [/b]
Retired and not doing much anymore and still not getting caught

beenthere

Was that concrete just a 'hole' filler, or was it a vault concealing a stash o' gold coin?   8)
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DR_Buck

It's been a while since we did this job but, somebody just brought up the other thread on this topic and after reading through all of both I realized some of the milling pictures never got posted.  So here are the photos of the slabs cut from 3 trunks at the top 40 feet of the tree.



 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Been there, done that.   Never got caught [/b]
Retired and not doing much anymore and still not getting caught

fishpharmer

DR_Buck, nice work! What happened to the slabs?  They have had plenty of time to dry, any furniture pictures? :)
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DR_Buck

Quote from: fishpharmer on September 01, 2018, 06:27:17 PM
DR_Buck, nice work! What happened to the slabs?  They have had plenty of time to dry, any furniture pictures? :)
Most of the lumber was split between us and sold.   One of the medium slabs is a bar top for a local winery and a customer sent me some pictures of a table he built. 
Winery Bar top --- 
When delivered


When mounted 



Customer built table ---





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fishpharmer

Built my own band mill with the help of Forestry Forum. 
Lucas 618 with 50" slabber
WoodmizerLT-40 Super Hydraulic
Deere 5065E mfwd w/553 loader

The reason a lot of people do not recognize opportunity is because it usually goes around wearing overalls looking like hard work. --Tom A. Edison

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