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Author Topic: 25 inch bar on a Stihl 044?  (Read 7169 times)

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Offline skipster

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25 inch bar on a Stihl 044?
« on: July 19, 2015, 05:50:19 AM »
Hi Folks,
I have an old 044 that needs a new bar. The original was a 20" solid nose, and I dont want to use another 20' as I already have an Ms362 set up with a 20" bar that i use for limbing and smaller felling/bucking.
I sometimes struggle with a 20 inch on the bigger trees,and was wondering if putting a 25 on the 044 would be an ok move?
Not sure if its underpowered for a longer bar length,and if this might put undue strain on it.

If its ok, can someone tell me the main difference between Stihl and Tsumura bars for this length, and if i should use skip chain or not?

Most of the wood is hard,awful grey box eucalypt.

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Re: 25 inch bar on a Stihl 044?
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2015, 07:34:39 AM »
Although some might argue the fact a good running 044 with a sharp chain should be able to run a 24-25 inch bar .

I have seen and operated an 044 reworked by Dan Henry do nicely with a 36" bar in hard as iron hardwood in east central Ohio at a GTG I can't remember if it had full comp or skip chain but never the less it buzzed right though a 42" log with no problems.

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Re: 25 inch bar on a Stihl 044?
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2015, 09:46:29 AM »
If your  044 is in good running  condition with good compression a 25" b/c will work excellent  on  it.
I don't  recommended  a skip tooth chain cutting the hardwood  you're talking about.
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Re: 25 inch bar on a Stihl 044?
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2015, 09:57:07 AM »
Here's the take on your question, from a few years back, Skipster.

http://www.forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=17975.0

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Re: 25 inch bar on a Stihl 044?
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2015, 10:07:33 AM »
Depending on how tall you are, (I am judg abt 6'), i like a 28" on my 372XPW. Cuts down on a lot of bending. 
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Re: 25 inch bar on a Stihl 044?
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2015, 10:45:15 AM »
I'm almost 6 ft tall with long arms but I have short legs (30" inseam)
 A 18"-20" b/c is perfect for me :D
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Re: 25 inch bar on a Stihl 044?
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2015, 11:32:58 AM »
If my legs would have grown in proportion to my body I'd be 6'4" .6' with a 29" inseam .On the other hand it's not so much to bend over .You gotta look at the positives . ;)

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Re: 25 inch bar on a Stihl 044?
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2015, 12:47:46 PM »
Lots  of positives, I never had a sore back ;D
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Re: 25 inch bar on a Stihl 044?
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2015, 05:12:33 PM »
Just put a 24" or as stihl likes to call it 25" on a 440 with full comp chain. Does fine in the hardwoods.
I also had put a dual port muffler and the side exit is opened to old school stihl size. Plus there is no cage inside muffler. Carb retune and she cuts great.

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Re: 25 inch bar on a Stihl 044?
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2015, 05:25:36 PM »
I have a 440 magnum with 25 inch bar and stihl square chisel chain and it RIPS, never had a problem and Ive  cut some monsters.

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Re: 25 inch bar on a Stihl 044?
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2015, 06:33:07 PM »
The dual port muffler mod sounds a good idea.
Can you buy a complete aftermarket dual port muffler? (not just the cover)
If so,any leads appreciated

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Re: 25 inch bar on a Stihl 044?
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2015, 06:56:47 PM »
All you need is the cover, it's a 2 part muffler so the front cover has the second port I believe. 24/25" full  comp should not be a problem.
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Re: 25 inch bar on a Stihl 044?
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2015, 07:39:35 PM »
The dual port muffler mod sounds a good idea.
Can you buy a complete aftermarket dual port muffler? (not just the cover)
If so,any leads appreciated

You can get with or without spark screen. Raisman aftermarket dual port 440 complete muffler in  without screen option like I wanted.  $19.50 shipped to my door.
Exhaust outlet on side is nice and big like I would open up any ways and bigger deflector then OEM.
I bought it off FEEbay where it was cheaper then others selling elsewhere.

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Re: 25 inch bar on a Stihl 044?
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2015, 09:21:51 PM »
A 25" (24 really) bar will make the 044 front heavy, but it should pull the chain well enough.
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Re: 25 inch bar on a Stihl 044?
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2015, 09:43:09 PM »
When the 044AV was introduced  in late 1988 here in Canada the 20" b/c was the standard  size during its  promotion.
But I liked the 18" better, perfect balance and ergonomics  in small -medium timber.
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Re: 25 inch bar on a Stihl 044?
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2015, 01:59:07 PM »
With an 18-20" B/C that saw will be a real rip snorter! 
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Re: 25 inch bar on a Stihl 044?
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2015, 02:33:56 PM »
I'm running a 25" full skip on my 038 Mag and it does just fine, I would expect a good running 044 would have no problems
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Re: 25 inch bar on a Stihl 044?
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2015, 08:00:34 PM »
Over the years before I had a 90 cc big saw I ran a 24 inch bar on a 038 all the time no problem pulling it . The 044 shouldn't have a problem if it is good shape.

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Re: 25 inch bar on a Stihl 044?
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2015, 08:50:38 PM »
its got plenty of compression,and cuts like a demon, but is a &%#$% to start. My idea is to outfit it with a bigger bar as a complement to my 362,but after an hour of trying to get it going again yesterday,maybe i should buy a new 661 instead!

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Re: 25 inch bar on a Stihl 044?
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2015, 12:08:32 PM »
  Try opening the low jet, just a hair, you'll probably have to turn your idle adjustment up a little, after opening the low jet up a hair.
 But then i've had saws that were just hard starting. So i had gas in a spray bottle, give it a little spray of gas, one or two pulls your running. I would never pull on a saw over four times, i'd find what was wrong.
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