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Title: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: DR_Buck on October 12, 2016, 06:32:42 PM
Today I got one of those inquiries to see if I was interested in buying a highly valuable black walnut tree. 

Here it is.....

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11043/Walnut_tree.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1476311037)


This is what came to mind right away.    :D   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTgQHWQoatg

Title: Re: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: sandsawmill14 on October 12, 2016, 06:59:49 PM
300 bucks  :D :D :D

just wondering if you could catch that many bucks what would you do with them ??? ;D
Title: Re: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: goose63 on October 12, 2016, 07:00:20 PM
 :) :) :) :) :D :D :D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: thecfarm on October 12, 2016, 07:11:25 PM
Looks like a great deal.After you chip the brush and haul away all the bigger limbs too. And fix the lawn after you drove across it.  ::)
I betcha they forgot to tell you about the clothesline pulley that run from that tree 20 years ago too.
Title: Re: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: drobertson on October 12, 2016, 07:21:34 PM
My first thought I will with hold,  my second thought was how many more in that nice area?  Third thought, do we really make fun of folks? Just asking, so many are just misinformed, plane and simple, even worse, maybe going through a rough time, the swindlers show cards soon enough,
Title: Re: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: sandsawmill14 on October 12, 2016, 07:35:27 PM
i was sorta serious on the price :) that tree would make lowest grade log worth about $1 bdft here the butt has a knot,burl, something grew in it or something about 1/2 up the trunk on left side but it is walnut so it has fair value but not highly valuable by any means :) :) with nothing to compare to for size comparison i guessed it at roughly 300 bdft ;)
Title: Re: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: red on October 12, 2016, 08:44:21 PM
Not sure why you passed up on such a good opportunity.  But maybe this fine gentleman has a good supply of Snake Oil ? 
Title: Re: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: Greyhound on October 12, 2016, 08:49:15 PM
Hah!  That cartoon never ceases to be hilarious! :D :D :D  I'd quote a charge of $1500 to remove the tree.  More if they want the stump ground.
Title: Re: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: tule peak timber on October 12, 2016, 08:58:46 PM
 :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: killamplanes on October 12, 2016, 10:02:37 PM
That a good one!!!!
Title: Re: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: Okrafarmer on October 12, 2016, 10:39:19 PM
It partly depends how rare walnut is in your area. I would be glad to give $1/bf for the logs of that tree, if someone dropped them off at my mill. If it is, as it looks like in the picture, over 18" dbh.
Title: Re: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: paul case on October 12, 2016, 11:04:55 PM
Quote from: Okrafarmer on October 12, 2016, 10:39:19 PM
It partly depends how rare walnut is in your area. I would be glad to give $1/bf for the logs of that tree, if someone dropped them off at my mill. If it is, as it looks like in the picture, over 18" dbh.

Same.

PC
Title: Re: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: 5quarter on October 13, 2016, 01:13:03 AM
I fall out every time I see that cartoon... :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: Brad_bb on October 13, 2016, 10:06:11 AM
Love that cartoon.  The problem is that there are so many people that are misinformed with the urban legend that it is frustrating to deal with so often and gets in a way of making a reasonable deal again and again.
    I had someone contact me about a "highly valuable" yard tree next to a garage and some wires.  He wasn't happy when I informed him of the actual value and what it would take to get it down.  I think he thought I was a crook trying to rip him off.  I passed.  That was a couple years ago.  Just the other day I saw them taking that house down to extend the shopping center.  They had to pay a tree service to take the walnut down and they cut it into short chunks and sent it to the grinder.

I'll saw a yard walnut, but I'm not paying over $1/bf doyle. and I'm not taking it down AND paying for it.
Title: Re: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: sandsawmill14 on October 13, 2016, 06:39:55 PM
does anyone know what the actual price is for good walnut  ??? i mean FAS grade  its so rare around here that i have no idea but i know of 3 trees (not for sale though) that are 30+ inches and the butts are clear for 12-14 ft  :o  trees like these are rare here  :)  the one thing that worries me is that the trees were panted in 1949 by my granddad (the year they move to the farm) and they just seem to big for the age but i dont know how fast the should grow  :P what do you guys think ???
Title: Re: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: Okrafarmer on October 13, 2016, 07:00:12 PM
The size is about right for fertile soil-- that would be 1/4 inch growth rings at 1/2 inch diameter growth per year, which I'd say is very normal for Tennessee.
Title: Re: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: sandsawmill14 on October 13, 2016, 08:10:14 PM
thanks smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: WDH on October 13, 2016, 08:46:02 PM
Price for FAS black walnut, tractor trailer load quantity F.O.B sawmill is $4100 per thousand or $4.10 per board foot per the Hardwood Market Report.  That is for rough sawn, kiln dried stock.  It is highly valuable. 
Title: Re: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: Okrafarmer on October 13, 2016, 09:16:15 PM
Quote from: WDH on October 13, 2016, 08:46:02 PM
Price for FAS black walnut, tractor trailer load quantity F.O.B sawmill is $4100 per thousand or $4.10 per board foot per the Hardwood Market Report.  That is for rough sawn, kiln dried stock.  It is highly valuable.

Yes, but what for the logs themselves? $2/bf?
Title: Re: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: sandsawmill14 on October 13, 2016, 09:19:02 PM
i was thinking 2.50-3.00 $ a bdft doyle :) but ONLY on select logs  ;)
Title: Re: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: sandsawmill14 on October 13, 2016, 09:23:05 PM
$3 is probably a bit much for the logs if selling green lumber but paying good for the butts will get you more logs and it will be rare to get a FAS log around here anyway  :)
Title: Re: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: Okrafarmer on October 13, 2016, 09:51:20 PM
I've had a few FAS walnut logs here. FAS really is not that hard to come by, it's just that you have to take a lot of knotty walnut to get it. I've always sold it retail, and found that even the junk walnut is worth milling.
Title: Re: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: sandsawmill14 on October 13, 2016, 10:05:00 PM
no such thing as junk walnut just high grade and low grade :D :D :D
Title: Re: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: wesdor on October 13, 2016, 11:15:05 PM
2 years ago a neighbor complained that a local sawmill was trying to rip him off. He had two highly valuable walnut trees in his yard that he had cut down. The sawmill owner had offered him $50 each for the trees.  Neighbor thought they should be worth at least 10 times that ! 

I told him I would pick them up and saw them for free if he helped.  When I went to pick them up I found that he had sawed them about 24" above the ground.  They were maybe 14" diameter and mostly sap wood.  We sawed everything and when it was finished, he looked at me and said, "maybe that guy wasn't cheating me like I thought."  I just smiled.
I think that was what is called a teachable moment. 
Title: Re: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: stavebuyer on October 14, 2016, 04:23:34 AM
Quote from: WDH on October 13, 2016, 08:46:02 PM
Price for FAS black walnut, tractor trailer load quantity F.O.B sawmill is $4100 per thousand or $4.10 per board foot per the Hardwood Market Report.  That is for rough sawn, kiln dried stock.  It is highly valuable.
Your quoting KD 8/4 FAS. Green 1C in 8/4 is $1.57. Green 4/4 1C is $1.27 and 2A is $.715. Delivered to a mill in KY that tree would do well to average $1 in the log.
Title: Re: Highly Valuable Black Walnut Tree
Post by: WDH on October 14, 2016, 07:32:46 AM
No I am not.  This figure is dierctly from the Hardwood Market Report.  $4070 per thousand BF for rough, kiln dried 4/4 walnut.  FAS 8/4, rough, kiln dried, walnut in tractor trailer load quantity F.O.B. mill per the Hardwood Market Report for the week of October 7, 2016 is $5000 per thousand BF.  #1 common is $2100 per thousand BF.  #2 is $1360 per thousand BF. 

Green, rough, kiln dried 4/4 walnut is reported at $2515 per thousand BF, #1 is $1270, and #2 is $715.