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Bandmill Bandit

Quote from: bandmiller2 on March 08, 2012, 08:59:06 PM
There is absolutly no effort by manuf. to make a mechanics life easier,thats why good ones are hard to find and want decent pay,the job suxs. Frank C.


The biggest reason I quit pulling wrenches. Takes 2 hours to get all the crap and stupidity out of the way so you can even see the darn engine.

How do you justify 4 hours of shop time just to get to a 30 minute job?

I used to enjoy it. Now its a cussing job even to change spark plugs on most of them.

I had a 69 MachI Mustang with the 429 Cobra with headers that was easier to work on than most models to day and that things was real *** to get at any thing. I would take that thing over almost any of todays models.
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downeast

Quote from: beenthere on March 08, 2012, 08:18:55 PM
This is really buggin you  ;)
You may not remember the days when oil filters were in a can on top of the engine. Easy to get at, and just remove the top and drop in another cartridge.
I suspect the filters low and on the side of the engines are there for how well they function.

Sure is !  :(   There is NO mechanical reason for designing the oil filter up, sideways, down, or a PITA to access.....NONE. The flow is highly pressurized; gravity ain't a factor.

Yes, I did change filters when they were available FROM THE TOP OF THE ENGINE  ;D.  Anyone remember the great slant six engines ? Or when you could actually change plugs, distributors, points, and time the beasts. ( Long ago Triumph bike ). Now, I got to get on the ground, raise the car on ramps, either remove the "protective" cover ( why, oh why  ? ), or wait for the pipes to cool some before reaching up between the headers just to remove the filter ( Subarus ). All we can do is change the oil and filter. Woe.
Tricks of the pros to do this ?

Weekend_Sawyer

I change my oils at 5000 miles, easy to remember.

Oil filters, I have a couple of large pices of cardboard down, empty oil pan, spin filter part way off and let it drip while I pull the drain plug, use a rag or wad of paper towels and spin filter the rest of the way off. It takes me 15 minutes to change my oils and it doesn't run down my arm.

My 06' 6.0 pickup, 51' ford pickup, 52' ford 8N and 54' Ferguson all use the drop in oil filters. Love them and wish they all were.
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SPIKER

Gas/Oil/Fuel running down your arm, there are some Heavy Chemical resistant gloves that have a Cuff (looks like a cup) built in that cups back towards your hand.   the CUP actually catches oil in it and keeps it there.   WISH they had something like that when I was in the Military doing Aircraft Hydraulic Filters...   Still have some PINK (were white) underwear (shirts and tightie whities) from working waste deep inside a wing spar.   worst was working Alert Bomber/Tankers on the pad middle of winter in Kansas wind always blowing -40 temps wind chill working in a hole that you had to pull off your coat just to get into the hole.  get to the leak (usually uphill from the hole.)   all of the frozen hyd. fluid running down your arms into your arm pits and down you side into your underware and often leaking down onto your pants & into the boots...   bbrrr still remember that all for about 900 bucks a month!

Mark
I'm looking for help all the shrinks have given up on me :o

downeast

Final call to all engine engineers:

1. Design said oil filter(s) for access FROM THE TOP OF THE ENGINE.
2. Design oil filter placement in a "drop down" or facing DOWN position attitude.
3. Design so that Joe Vehicle Owner can easily change the oil filter. ( Not much else we can do today ! )
4. Focus group use: LISTEN to owners who pay your big bucks. :'(

With the tight tolerances and high pressured flow in present engines, THERE IS NO REASON NOT TO DO AS ABOVE.

Yes, I am bugged thank you. It is understood why the oil drain plug is located where it is --at the lowest point of the pan. Simple gravity.
Please change the oil filter location and attitude.

Thank you......"thankyou very much" ( E. Presley ) ;D

downeast

OK, the reality is that the engineers are not going to change placement and access of engine oil filters. Here's what Google found for me :

1. Tie a rag around the filter before spinning it completely off to catch drippings.

2. Punch a hole in the filter carefully on the upper end to relieve pressure before removing the filter.

3. Get Spiker's official U.S. Air Force "inverted cuffed glove". ( Sources for civilians ? ).

4. Pay $$$ to the dealer for an oil change...let them deal with the mess.

5. First bag the filter ( hot oil will melt plastics ), unscrewing it while inside a baggie or WalMart bag to contain splilled oil. ( This is one I will try next time. )

Other bright ideas are welcome.  8)

Paul_H

 Flip the car over,climb up,reach down change filter and roll car back onto tires.  smiley_heh_heh
Science isn't meant to be trusted it's to be tested

thecfarm

I've seen that done in junk yards to get a tranny out.
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downeast

Quote from: Paul_H on March 16, 2012, 11:14:16 AM
Flip the car over,climb up,reach down change filter and roll car back onto tires.  smiley_heh_heh

???

Paul_H

Science isn't meant to be trusted it's to be tested


Paul_H

If all you have to worry about in life is a filter change,you are doing well  ;)
It could be that you need the distraction after a long winter.It's hard to tell if you are serious or lighthearted in your quest so I am going to go with lighthearted and suggest you roll the car for any future repairs.

Your filter rant reminds me of a Andy Rooney segment on 60 minutes  8)

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SPIKER

Those Gloves with the Cup Cuff built in are kind of new, never used them back in Military, WISH I had them then though...

I HAVE used the Wallymart Bag over the filter after it was broke free slightly to help catch some of the oil.   also done the nail punch hole into bottom of filter to drain it.  no need to loosen the thing just punch a hole and open the oil fill hole or slip out dip stick some..

pulled the trans out of a wrecked t-bird that way tipped it up on its side (which was well flattened by high speed pickup dead center between the wheels.)   Used tractor under rocker on good side and tipped it up had a chain wrapped around roof to keep it from going all way over.   sat down on roof @ door window opening on 2stacked 6x6s whit FEL and 4x4s wedged under up under it.   all left under there now is the independent rear end ;)

Mark
I'm looking for help all the shrinks have given up on me :o

downeast

Quote from: Paul_H on March 16, 2012, 08:12:26 PM
If all you have to worry about in life is a filter change,you are doing well  ;)
It could be that you need the distraction after a long winter.It's hard to tell if you are serious or lighthearted in your quest so I am going to go with lighthearted and suggest you roll the car for any future repairs.

Your filter rant reminds me of a Andy Rooney segment on 60 minutes  8)

Half and half serious and light Paul.....miss the Andy Rooney rants however. He'd hit things that were in the back of our minds.

March is called the Suicide Month here; time for drinks  :o : long winter, usually heavy snow and cold, dark days. Not this year.

Rolling the car is a no-go. ;D

bandmiller2

Bet the blackflies will be thick enough to choke jet engines this year. Frank C.
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downeast

Quote from: bandmiller2 on March 18, 2012, 10:13:21 PM
Bet the blackflies will be thick enough to choke jet engines this year. Frank C.

Black flies will be sure to obstruct the late Spring oil change here. Oh woe..... ::)

Then again, since there was little snow or rain, the tiny critters may, just may, leave life alone this year if you're not a moose. ;D

CTYank

FoMoCo sez my 2.25L Ranger needs oil change every 6 mo. or 7000 mi. Gave it its first change at 12 mo/6500. Of course, I don't use their oil- rather M1 full synthetic. (Oil was just starting to show some tinting.)

Previous Nissan 2.4L got regular change of M1 @ 20-25K. No engine lube probs to 430K mi, when many pieces were used up. (Not the engine.)

Too bad used motor oil can't generally be collected conveniently for recycling to better than new.
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Bandmill Bandit

In the 60s and 70s Texas Refinery Corp used the take our used oil and Reman it. They are still selling top quality oil products but I aM not sure if the still take back the used oil for reman or not.
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LeeB

You can take your used oil to any oil change place and they will take it. It still gets recycled.
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downeast

Quote from: LeeB on March 21, 2012, 09:40:21 AM
You can take your used oil to any oil change place and they will take it. It still gets recycled.

Right Lee. Many garages large and small here use used (  ::) ) oil for heat in filtered oil furnaces. Our dumps a.k.a. "recycling centers" take used oil for re-use. Why not ? Most non-nuke  merchant ships burn #2 oil : so thick that in cold regions it needs to be heated before running.

P.S. I stihl don't have the ideal solution to changing an upside down oil filter. ::)

Stephen1

I change mine at 10,000 miles. calls for 5,000. I was amazed to find in european cars they call for 15-20k miles, for oil changes, Are there motors any different , I don't think so, I believe the car makers are owned by the oil companies,"conspiracy  theory" :D so the get us to change our oil more. .
   My wife in 2001 bought a Saturn Vue with the Cadillac caterra engine out of Germany, they put it only that 1 year. They have a light sensor that the oil passes thru which tells you when to change the oil. The 1st oil change was 14,000 miles, the service advisor was mad at my wife for waiting so long until she showed him the manual, and even then he hummed a bit :D. the car is still going , 200,000 miles, my daughter drives it, in northern Quebec, cold weather short drives in the winter to work, all very hard on the engine, yet still 10-12 k for an oli change. In fact I just tell her to change it twice a year spring and fall, as she really doesn't drive that many miles a year. Oil does not go bad, that is why Amsoil rates theirs for 25,000 miles with an in between oil change, filtering is the big thing getting the contaminates out. You can buy a filtration system that you never change the oil, just check for metal in the oil and change the filter 1nce a year. The locomotives that I run, I was told do that, oil stays in and they change filters and test it 4 times a year.
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beenthere

My 2009 Chev Trailblazer is like 10,000 mile recommended change.
I do it every 5-10k....
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muddstopper

I wish I had seen this thread back when it was active, but I want to add my 2cents anyways. (i'm bored and its cold outside).

I bought my 2001 escort new. It now has over 266,000 miles. Only problems I have had has been with the AC. Still doesnt use a drop of oil and gets 36mpg. I think I have changed the sparkplus once, but maybe twice. One timing belt and one battery. Couple of brake jobs. I change the oil evey 10,000 or so miles with whatever the quicklube uses. I drive this car to work every wk, its not setting in a garage being driven occasionally. This is the 3rd escort I have owned, all bought new and all driven past the 250k mile mark and all teated the same. So my opinion on changeing the oil every 3000 or even 5000 miles is thats its a waste of money. In fact, the only place I ever see a 3000mile recommendation is at the quicklubes and places that make their money changeing your oil. That should tell you something right there.

Ok, I have said my bit, so its off to find another old post to reply to.

Al_Smith

Oh this oil business has gone crazy .Danged regular oil oil is almost 5 bucks a quart ,geeze .On Mrs Smith's Merc I just take it to the dealer that with my employee discount because I work in an auto plant is cheaper than doing it myself .

We only put about 6000 -6500 miles per year on a car so at 5,000 mile change intervals that's only about once every 10 months or so .

Last week though one of the auto discount places had an"oil change " special .5 quarts of Quacker State and a filter for $16.95 ,bought three of them .

I'm not anal retentive about crankcase oil like some .As long as it has an SAE rating seems good enough for me .

trapper

They specify oil changes at 10,000 miles on our new toyota. synthetic oil.  The dealer warrents the engine forever if that schedule is followed. 
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