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Started by firefighter ontheside, July 18, 2018, 09:00:54 AM

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Crusarius

Just make sure you have an escape path!!!!

Not saying it is going to fail but you never know.

firefighter ontheside

Yeah, my winch control cable is about 15 feet long and I make sure to stand perpendicular to the direction of pull.  My 26 years as a firefighter has taught me many things.
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Crusarius

I have 15 years volunteer fire service. bunch of those were on the high angle rope rescue team and the dive team. Plus I have been four wheeling my jeep since 1998. 

firefighter ontheside

Quote from: Crusarius on August 22, 2018, 10:14:21 AM
I have 15 years volunteer fire service. bunch of those were on the high angle rope rescue team and the dive team. Plus I have been four wheeling my jeep since 1998.
Nice.  I'm also on Missouri Task Force 1 where I'm a rescue specialist.  I'm certified in Confined Space, Trench, Rope Rescue, Structural Collapse, Swift Water.  Several member of our team just deployed to Hawaii in front of the hurricane coming.  Diving is something I've never been interested in though.

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mike_belben

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firefighter ontheside

What's the matter?  Why are you waving the white flag?
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mike_belben

Maybe i misinterpreted the tone.. Seemed to me like you guys were doing some measuring up there.  On some less civilized forums i frequent, thats the stage before insults are hurled forth.  

I shoulda thrown in a smiley or two

:laugh:  
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Crusarius

I learned never to compare. especially on open forums. Just nice to know others skillsets.

John Mc

Quote from: mike_belben on August 23, 2018, 09:16:32 AM
Maybe i misinterpreted the tone.. Seemed to me like you guys were doing some measuring up there.  On some less civilized forums i frequent, thats the stage before insults are hurled forth.  

I shoulda thrown in a smiley or two

:laugh:  
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Magicman

I am very interested in learning about other member's skills/training/expertise in fields beyond our "wood" interest. 

As John Mc just mentioned, thanks to Jeff, there will never be any harshness here on the FF.  smiley_thumbsup
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firefighter ontheside

I certainly meant for my tone to be light.  Being a firefighter, I like to hear about other firefighters sharing my other interests.  Not too many at the dire department do. :)
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charles mann

Quote from: Crusarius on August 22, 2018, 07:56:50 AM
Quote from: charles mann on August 22, 2018, 01:50:53 AMiv been looking at find a way to prevent my arch from going so far back and not being able to get it back vertical. I initially was going to use cable and secure it to the trailer and arch in both directions so it would only go about 25 degrees either direction beyond vertical. But i like your idea of the shocks and a hinged strut. you sir have given me an outstanding starting point.


Glad I could help. Definitely need build pictures though. You can help me just as much as I try to help everyone :)
WHEN I GET HOME, ILL GET SOME PICS OF THE ARCH, AND THEN GET SOME OF IT IN ACTION. GONNA HAVE TO RESEARCH ON HERE AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO POST PICS. I'LL JUST READ THE TOPIC FOR POSTING PICS. HOPEFULLY ITS COMPATIBLE WITH MAC AND APPLE PRODUCTS. PLUS IM TECHNOLOGICALLY CHALLENGED, SO IT MAY TAKE A BIT TO CIPHER IT OUT.
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mike_belben

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charles mann

Quote from: mike_belben on August 24, 2018, 09:17:59 AM
Caps lock.  You has it down.

;D
I was entering data on my time card and forgot to take it off. Plus i suck at typing and finding the shift key for the begining letter of every sentence take longer than to either go all caps or all lower. 
But i wasnt yelling with my all caps statement. 
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charles mann

Quote from: Crusarius on August 22, 2018, 07:56:50 AM
Quote from: charles mann on August 22, 2018, 01:50:53 AMiv been looking at find a way to prevent my arch from going so far back and not being able to get it back vertical. I initially was going to use cable and secure it to the trailer and arch in both directions so it would only go about 25 degrees either direction beyond vertical. But i like your idea of the shocks and a hinged strut. you sir have given me an outstanding starting point.


Glad I could help. Definitely need build pictures though. You can help me just as much as I try to help everyone :)
here are a few pics of my arch system. 


 


 


 


 


 


 
last pic is the first test lift of the arch. that was after holding it over night, to see if for 1. my welds holds and 2. the winch braking system held. that red oak is a few lbs under 3000#. without my 700# grading blade on the back of my tractor, i can't lift the log, but even with the blade, my tractor comes very lite on the rear wheels, enough that i have to use 4x4 to move around. 
here is a pecan i just picked up from nachitochez, la. 


 



661 with a 36" bar





 
and here is pecan from down near houston, tx way
my wife is 5'8" tall


    


 
here is the D-Ring after lifting that houston pecan, along with a new ring for comparison of the stretching that it under went. 


  
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firefighter ontheside

If you're gonna lift huge logs, you gotta have a huge arch.  Looks great.  Enjoy.
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Crusarius

But loading them by hand is so much more fun. And a great workout....

Yea. I need an arch :)

firefighter ontheside

Putting my A frame to work this week picking up a load of oak.  Probably more than one trip for these 11 logs.  Some are 20' long.  May cut to length before loading.


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barbender

Be careful with the long ones. Oak is really heavy, and if you get too much weight behind your trailer axle axle the "tail can start waggin' the dog"😊 I have a 14', 14K dump trailer and a one ton Dodge. The other day I had it loaded up with some long firewood, probably 17-18' long. I figured, ah, it's a one ton I'll be fine. Got going 60, let's just say I was appreciating the manual electric trailer brake control!
Too many irons in the fire

firefighter ontheside

JNo worries.  I always put more on the front than the back.  Most likely I will not load a 20' log.  I will cut it in half first.  I have a 10,000lb trailer and a 1 ton Ford.  The logs are only about 20 miles from the house, so I will make extra trips before I load unsafely.  Plus, the roads I have to drive on are no place for an unsafe load.  There's 2 hills that must be 12% grade.  They are real fun pulling my 10,000 camper on.
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firefighter ontheside

Well, I was unloading some logs off of my trailer.  I had the A frame standing up and out of the way and supported by a strap.  When I dragged the big oak log off, it shook the trailer and caused the strap to come undone.  The frame then fell down on the log.  Now I have a broken timber.  At the very least, I need to make one new one.  I'm considering making two new ones and and use oak this time.  Maybe make them 4x4 instead of 5x5.  Its been working great otherwise.  The logs I loaded this morning were probably 2000 lbs.
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Crusarius

To bad your not closer. I would be happy to help you out and weld something up for you. you definitely be better with steel vs wood for that use.

firefighter ontheside

I saved some WO yesterday and made some timbers about 4 1/4 x 5 for the new and improved A frame.  It worked well today.  It's just a lot heavier than the yellow pine.  It's nice that it's stronger, but I have to lift it a lot so it's a lot heavier to lift.  I guess it's part of my workout program.  I did fashion a chain that limits how far it will fall down when I'm loading a log.  That was nice to have.  Still room for improvement there.

Steel may be the ticket eventually, but for now it's timber.  The best part about steel is that it won't have to be an A frame.
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