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OneWithWood

July 21, 2009, 06:01:32 AM
I came accross this tree in the middle of one of my regen openings.
What do you think it is? 







Sorry about the quality of the pics.  I had to fight my way through a lot of raspberry cains to get next to it.
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Roxie

#1
July 21, 2009, 08:20:22 AM
It looks like a variety of formosa to me. 
Say when

sprucebunny

#2
July 21, 2009, 08:37:23 AM
Locust ?
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LeeB

#3
July 21, 2009, 05:49:50 PM
Elm?
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WDH

#4
July 21, 2009, 08:02:02 PM
Like Lee said, very elmy to me.  Feels winged elmy :).
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SwampDonkey

#5
July 22, 2009, 03:47:38 AM
Seems like elm with the unsymmetrical leaf base and the bark. I'm guessing American elm, they will grow anywhere around damp ground in the woods. Funny though, I never see it deep in the woods where we are cutting brush, mostly in the river valleys and settlements.
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Dodgy Loner

#6
July 22, 2009, 08:48:56 AM
SD, WDH and I will go for an elm hat trick, as I will go with slippery elm. :)
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OneWithWood

#7
July 22, 2009, 10:23:35 AM
Hmmm.....

Would you possibly consider Ailanthus? 
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Dodgy Loner

#8
July 22, 2009, 11:56:39 AM
No, the prominent parallel lateral veins rule out ailanthus, as does the furrowed bark (ailanthus bark would be smooth). Those definitely appear to be simple leaves, rather than compound. Notice the smaller, thinner leaves near the growing tip, which indicates that that is a growing branch tip, and not the end of a compound leaf.
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SwampDonkey

#9
July 22, 2009, 04:19:59 PM
You could be right on the actual species Dodgy, the leaf spacing along that stem is too tight and the base of the leaves are not typical for American but still asymmetrical. Bark sure looks American.  ;D
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SamB

#10
July 22, 2009, 05:18:46 PM
You guys are more analytical than me when it comes to identifying trees, my first thought after viewing the pics and considering OWW home turf was Black Walnut. I can see what DL is saying about the leaves and if it is an elm I'd lean more toward Winged Elm. But I'll leave it the experts to hand down a final decision. :)

SPIKER

#11
July 22, 2009, 06:13:05 PM
I'm not sure on this with pic above, bark looks to be elm, but the stems appear to have too many leafs.  I will have to look MORE to make any thoughts clear...   Didnt sleep well at all. over worked yesterday...

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WDH

#12
July 22, 2009, 06:17:44 PM
It is definitely not a compound leaf.  American elm will have a relatively smooth leaf (if you lick it with your tongue.  DonK is a wood licker, so he may be able to give some licking pointers ;D).  If it is rough, it is most likely winged elm or slippery elm.  Slippery elm is very very rough to the tongue.  The bark looks winged, but the leaves look slippery :).   Elm you ever to lick one of those leaves, tell us about it  :D.
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Roxie

#13
July 22, 2009, 06:37:25 PM
So, set a piece on fire and give it a french kiss and get back to us.   :D
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WDH

#14
July 22, 2009, 06:49:40 PM
And, be sure to take pics of the whole procedure ;D.
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SwampDonkey

#15
July 23, 2009, 02:51:13 AM
How come we never had Dendro TA's in college like WDH and Roxie?  :D :D
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OneWithWood

#16
July 23, 2009, 10:07:47 AM
Good conversation  :)

Just to keep it going.  Aren't the leaves a bit large for elm and perhaps the wrong shape? 
The leaves on the end do appear to be elm-like but the others are quite large 6-8" and fat all the way to the tip (unscientific term warning).
Juvenile leaves?

Danny and Roxie, do you really want me to fight my way through that thorny thicket again to kiss a tree? 
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DanG

#17
July 23, 2009, 10:19:48 AM
I'll answer that for them; Yes they do! ;D :D :D

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Roxie

#18
July 23, 2009, 12:28:00 PM
Thank you DanG.  Well said!   8)
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WDH

#19
July 23, 2009, 08:43:54 PM
After you are done licking, check the leaf bases to see if they are inequilateral.
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rambo

#20
March 15, 2010, 10:47:55 PM
Ailanthus or Little Walnut. Need some better pics.

WDH

#21
March 15, 2010, 11:08:48 PM
rambo,

The plant has simple leaves, not compound leaves like Ailanthus or Walnut.
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Don K

#22
March 15, 2010, 11:22:38 PM
Danny, licking leaves does not give this same instant results as wood licking unless of course one licked some poison ivy.  :D :D

Don
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WDH

#23
March 16, 2010, 08:32:48 AM
Yes, leaf-licking is a whole nother skill  ;D.
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rambo

#24
March 16, 2010, 08:33:05 PM
WDH,

Thanks for showing me that. I did not see it at first gland. I think your right ,the Elm has it.
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