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Started by mike_belben, April 04, 2022, 09:01:00 AM

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doc henderson

My grandmother died of a stroke at age 65, but poor control in the day for DM, and BP.  my mom had an endarterectomy to prevent progression to stroke but died of lung cancer from smoking at 72.  they both had htn. and DM, and hyperlipidemia.  
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mike_belben

I was asking snobdds doc, sorry for the confusion.

The american journal of preventative medicine published this study in 2017





I think its pretty well known that proctor and gamble built the american heart association into a marketing team for crisco.   This sort of awareness makes me leery of corporate data.

I did a stint of business college.  Marketing classes actually trained us on how to tap into competitive advantages at consumer expense.  How the tobacco companies brilliantly sponsor federal cigarette legislation so they can steer the outcome to only injure the smaller competitors and cement their market share leads.   How the insurance industry makes its money with influence that shapes regulation, collects more premiums and denies more claims to ensure a profit.  This feeling that money was worth harming others was a lot of why i dropped out.  


Im struggling with how to process your input. A private, unreviewed, for-profit insurance company database that sounds exactly like coke, pepsi and domino sugar provided the coders to crunch the numbers.

I am trying not to jump to confirmation bias but this BCBS info runs completely contrary to my own experiences, the testimony of countless success stories and an army of medical practitioners, researchers and even historians and sociologists dedicating their lives to letting the public know that sugar is a disease bomb, who arent getting paid to do it. What big sugar has done to kill any attempts to restrict it is very well documented.  Just like pharma and tobacco et al.


Youre saying sugar is fine.  But we all know it spikes insulin. Anyone with a finger stick can measure that.  Chronic high insulin correlates with stroke, alzheimers,  cancer, type 2 diabetes, high cholesterol, high blood pressure and gout.  Gout is high uric acid. Alcohol and fructose raise uric acid.  Pearlmutter's work finds high uric acid raises alzheimers risk 55% and 166% increase in vascular dimentia.  If insulin causes dimentia and sugar raises insulin, how does sugar not raise the risk of dimentia?  

Do i just say thats all fake because BCBS says so?  

When my wife goes on keto her autoimmune symptoms immediately improve. Psoriasis clears right up, head shakes less, inflammation drops, headaches, reflux and indigestion go away. We have been eating right for months. Only in the total absense of carbs does improvement occur like clockwork and we have no caloric limits, eat as much as you want.

She is not the first person i have witnessed it in up close.  It is not an excess of food.. I have seen her barely eat, crossfit, run 5ks and mud runs and gain weight. Only fasting, keto/atkins/whole 30 break that pattern.  Just dropping seed oils does not.  We did that months ago.



Youve claimed the people who are sick consume sweets in excess, blame the victim.  I know we absolutely shun them and she is sick. We avoid all sugar drinks, processed foods, candy/snack junk.

Her cholesterol is optimal, A1c is at 5.6 so not even triggering a prediabetic warning label, her a1c falls under optimal.  But with 79% insulin resistance every mountain dew will go right on her liver and she will get worse. Yet the probably 100 doctor visits in 12 years never picked that up until i demanded a test.

So if she consumes anywhere close to a normal amount of junkfood its a fast track to diabetes and then BCBS data can say oh it was too much consumption, her fault.  

You want lower medical costs?  push the doctors to test insulin resistance, it is hiding undiagnosed in our entire population.  Awareness will help people make changes and avoid disease before it develops by simple dietary modification. 




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doc henderson

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mike_belben

Recommend insulin resistance testing?  


Good on you doc.. Coulda saved us a decade of heartache. 
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snobdds

Mike...

I come at this from a pure mathematical stand point.  It serves us no good to create biased research.  I am dealing with sample sizes that capture so many data points, the laws of large numbers kick in. We look at everything to find trends; from height/weight ratios to genetics.  We, and this is very important...we can only see highly correlated cause and effects relationships.   It's not a complete picture, but its close.  We constantly strive to refine the process. 

So I sympathize with you, your wife is very susceptible to sugar with very real effects.  The data I see shows the general population is not affected with chronic aliments with median sugar intake.  That doesn't mean there isn't any at all in absolute terms. We do have diabetics where sugar is an issue.  

I guess my final point on this is just look around. There are a ton of americans eating a whole lot of sugar and they continue to lead normal lives.  The effects over time, including sugar, and lack of physicality all catch up in the end.  But for the vast majority, sugar is not the thing that will kill them...it will only be a contributing factor.  Then the math stops and a decision had to be made on what factors hold the biggest weight in a persons lifestyle. 

mike_belben

I am glad you expanded on the system.  

I think an issue that makes identifying the trend harder is that a1c can read "normal" while you can have metabolic syndrome and insulin resistance at the same exact time and think youre fine.  

We were on BCBS for years with this undiagnosed, so i know their records of us are innacurate, in the sense that the IR is recent news though im confident its been there all along unknown.


I really wish i had IR tested when all my labs were done at the ER for a mystery ailment a ways back.  My blood glucose was about the same as hers iirc.. 101ish, just a touch high. Id like to know how my IR scoring would have compared just for reference.


I get what youre saying re: tons of people overindulge on sugar and that its not an immediate detonator.  They wont die from sugar this year.  itll be from 'complications of diabetes' in 30 yrs which is a nice way of keeping sugar from getting the credit it deserves.  Theres nothing too complicated about diabetes. Former Guy next door had his toes rot off and get amputated.  That pepsi not so funny now.

  Im in the rural south, nearly everyone is 50+lbs overweight if they arent junkies so i probably physically view a lot more walking medical cases than if i was in san diego or NYC.  Its a particularly elderly and obese area i have for a sample set and that also skews my perception. With the kids im at a lot of birthday parties or school events and many elementary kids weigh now nearly what highschoolers did 20yrs ago.  

Nothing good is gonna come of it. A common theme with adolescent females wading into drugs here is 'i wanted to be skinny.'   Stuff thats probably difficult to chart but it shows up on the mugshots page every week without fail.  

I will try to end on a positive note, much illness is easily prevented by a garden and a little self control.
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doc henderson

your sugars and HA1C will be normal until you have DM.  A glucose tolerance test with both serial glucose and insulin levels is needed.  Insurance companies made us change years ago from a chem 28 with a cholesterol to a chem 27 without it, as this was not an emergency.  Tru you only need to check it once a year or so.  reactive hypoglycemia isa symptom of insulin resistance, and I do the GTT in the ED if I think that has happened.  but otherwise, the GTT is not considered an emergency.  the point of the ED is not doing health maintenances.  If anabolic steroids', make you get up and go, insulin makes you want to eat and take a nap, Siesta.  I covered this in the Weight loss thread Jeff, and I started a few years back.  lowering insulin levels is the same as boosting testosterone as they balance or compete with each other.
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mike_belben

Doc, normal people dont know these abbreviations. Can we have a key code for DM, GTT, chem 27/28 and ED please.  Dont tell me viagra is the cure. 


Im glad you mentioned insulin and siesta, i didnt know this.  That helps confirm my insulin sensitivity has improved from a few days of intermittent fasting.  Food does not normally make me tired.    After 18 or 20 hours without eating i nearly fall asleep once i do.  

High insulin is know to cause macular degeneration via blood vessel issues.  Google it and mayo clinic is in the top entries.  Oh its just "abnormal blood vessels" in the eye.  

Scratch deeper and mayo clinic is funded by coke.  Mayo clinic and harvard school of medicine always have the same stance. Coke is behind them too.

 https://www.foodpolitics.com/2015/08/the-guardian-coca-cola-says-its-drinks-dont-cause-obesity-science-says-otherwise/


Driving a semi truck on any schedule the money dictates means having to be a 1st shifter today, a 3rd shifter tomorrow and not sleeping at all the 3rd day.  You live on naps, packaged snacks, peanut butter sandwiches, drive thru windows and caffeine.  Sure theyre sugar free if you aredumb enough to believe the 56 to 'nearly 100' other names the sugar lobby has invented for the product. 

I knew my vision was in decline 15 yrs ago from 3rd shift at S&W. by 3am id have however many splenda'd up coffees and the sign at the other end of the department got its normal blur.  DOT physical got harder to pass vision test.  Then down here i had a major vision drop pointed out by the doc at my CDL renewal, said at this pace ive got some kinda eye disease.  I knew something was wrong as i had to close my right eye to read signs at night on the big road.  Eye doc has always given me pretty good scores, but ive never had a 3am eye appointment.  


Now off of sugar and sleeping a natural schedule, vision is much much crisper in all aspects.  I have to blink back and forth to remember which eye is my fuzzy one.  

The mechanic at trucking place is a good friend of mine. We call him mister hank to distinguish from my son hank.  Hard worker. Big guy, mid 50s in terrible health. Classic fatty liver/insulin shape. Winded very fast.   I dont see him drinking sodas or eating bad. Has had 2 detached retinas, legally blind but has to work.  I guarantee he has very high insulin resistance and suspect its never been tested.  Gonna call him right now and urge a test.
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21incher

Mike this is off the subject but my wife is having serious  autoimmune issues also. She was born with  severe double scoliosis and started being plagued  with  constant pain about 10 years ago. Our doctor referred her to a good pain management  group. They tried different  injections  and shocks that didn't  help. Eventually  they tried to use a drug that alters your brain so you don't  feel the pain. Well after about a month she started  having all kind of health problems and stopped taking the drugs. She continued  to develop more issues  like tremors and not being able to breathe when exposed  to any kind of synthetic fumes. The doctors  had no idea what was going  on because  it had worked on other patients.  We finally  found a doctor that after several  rounds of testing diagnosed her as having  developed  an autoimmune disease called Sjogrens and also a chemical sensitivity  syndrome.  She now is allergic to 90% of all medications available and we have a hard time going in public due to perfumes and scents people wear. When the grandkids  come over they go in the shower  with scent free soaps and their clothes go in the washer to remove detergent  outgassing from the soap their mother uses. Our lives have changed and I say it's  all was caused by a failed science  experiment by the pain management doctors. We have taken the pain Management into our own hands now and have her using CBD products that are actually  keeping  her comfortable and allowing  her to function again. The CBD has actually controlled her tremors so she now enjoys knitting  and crocheting again. I no longer  trust that the pharmaceutical industry  properly  tests medications before recommending them as a cure. Living  with  a spouse or child with autoimmune diseases will change your life. Like I originally  said different subject but in the end doctors messed up our lives and natural cures are actually working.
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Quote from: mike_belben on April 06, 2022, 08:26:33 AM
Scratch deeper and mayo clinic is funded by coke.  Mayo clinic and harvard school of medicine always have the same stance. Coke is behind them too.


Oh boy Mike, the Mayo Foundation is going to be distressed that you believe their $600 billion non-profit with about $15 billion in annual revenues from operations which is dedicated to medical education and research is now controlled by Coke. In fact if you ever were a patient in one of their hospitals and happened to order a soft drink from their menu you might find that you would actually get either a diet or regular Pepsi. It's hard to understand how Coke would forget to control that detail. 

I am certain that you are being an excellent advocate for your wife's condition but listening to anyone with an internet connection is not always a good idea. There are certainly gaps in our present evidence based medicine system but the "experts" you are relying on for your "truths" are not always right either. 

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