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General Forestry => Tree, Plant and Wood I.D. => Topic started by: getoverit on October 09, 2009, 05:09:45 PM

Title: help identifying trees please
Post by: getoverit on October 09, 2009, 05:09:45 PM
I have moved from Florida to Murfreesboro, Tennessee and have a whole new pastime learning the trees up here. Most of them are obvious as they are either aspen, maple, oak, or cedar. I have a couple in my yard that I have no clue about though and could use some help identifying.

Here is tree #1

 

(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13048/2480/004.JPG)

and the leaves of tree #1

 

(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13048/2480/005.JPG)

The only thing I am sure of is that this is not a bradford pear tree... any ideas as to what it is?



ok here is the second tree. This sort of looks like a fruit tree (maybe a peach of some kind?) but I am guessing:

 

(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13048/2480/006.JPG)

 

(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13048/2480/007.JPG)

 

(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13048/2480/008.JPG)


Here is tree #3. This tree looks similar to tree #2, except that the leaves are almost twice as large as tree #2.

 

(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13048/2480/009.JPG)



(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13048/2480/010.JPG)


Thanks in advance for the help!!

Ken

Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: climbncut on October 09, 2009, 05:44:15 PM
I would guess the first is a Linden or basswood and the others look like some kind of cherry
Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: fishpharmer on October 09, 2009, 05:46:59 PM
Hey Ken, glad to see you on FF.  I don't really know what the tree is.

I would guess a cottonwood maybe for the #1, Plum or peach for #2 and #3.  Purely a guess.



Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: Radar67 on October 09, 2009, 06:30:33 PM
I was thinking plum for the last two as well.
Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: getoverit on October 09, 2009, 07:58:15 PM
The last two do have a fruit look to them, but I see no signs of either of them having any fruit on them.

On the first one, it is about 30' tall and the trunk is about 6" in diameter and maybe 5' of trunk. On the other two. they are maybe 5" in diameter and the trunk is maybe 3" tall with the trees being a height of maybe 20'.

I just bought the house in september, so I didnt get to see the full year on any of them. If they are fruit trees I would like to fertilize them to maximize the fruit production. I dont see any evidence of any fruits on any of them though.

Basswood or linden on the first one huh???? Hummmmmm.

Thanks!
Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: Chico on October 09, 2009, 08:41:40 PM
 First one may be Baswswood last ones look like peach  trees don't think their cherry
Chico
Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: Phorester on October 11, 2009, 11:32:29 PM

Not sure of the first one yet.  Numbers 2 and 3 are kwanzan cherry, an ornamental cherry.
Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: getoverit on October 12, 2009, 12:48:37 AM
Thanks!!

The first one is very similar looking to a bradford pear, but doesnt have the tiny fruits that a bradford pear would have. The leaves are slightly different too.
Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: Lanier_Lurker on October 12, 2009, 09:01:41 AM
Don't rule out some type of mulberry on the first one.
Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: WDH on October 12, 2009, 09:25:33 AM
The first one looks applish to me.  I suspect it too is an ornamental fruit tree.
Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: Phorester on October 12, 2009, 10:56:58 AM
GETOVERIT, there are other ornamental pears similiar to bradford too. Cleveland and callery pear come to mind. Just not a good picture of the leaves for me personally to tell.  Might not be the case with somebody else.  Most tree leaves are pretty well gnawed on this late in the summer, as these appear to be, for a quick ID.

Can you get us a closer picture of the bark, and a couple of whole leaves?

LL, I was toying around with a mulberry too.

WDH, the branch structure doesn't look right to me for an apple, but it could be.
Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: Dodgy Loner on October 12, 2009, 03:02:34 PM
We can safely conclude that trees #2 and 3 are ornamental Japanese cherries. #3 definitely looks like a Kwanzan cherry, but I believe #2 is a different variety...possibly a Yoshino cherry? You won't be able to know for sure until they bloom early next spring.

The picture of #1 is just not clear enough to come to any conclusions. At first blush, I thought it was a cottonwood, but I'm definitely not sure of that...
Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: getoverit on October 12, 2009, 06:00:03 PM
Here are a few more pictures of the tree's leaves. The last picture is this tree beside a Bradford Pear tree's leaves. (bradford on right)
Thanks again for the help on these!

 

(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13048/2480/001.JPG)

 

(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13048/2480/002.JPG)

 

(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13048/2480/003.JPG)
Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: WDH on October 13, 2009, 07:29:31 AM
I think that Climbncut is right.  Looks like basswood.
Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: Phorester on October 13, 2009, 11:52:03 AM

Could be basswood, but I'm leaning toward linden since it is planted in a yard.  Similiar trees, but I'm thinking that if an urban homeowner would buy an ornamental cherry (a non-native species) he'd buy a linden instead of basswood since basswood is not normally available at nurserys.

A closeup photo of the bark might also help.
Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: beenthere on October 13, 2009, 12:22:46 PM
Phorester
You are saying the basswood is different than a linden?

How different?
Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: Dodgy Loner on October 13, 2009, 02:20:30 PM
I would definitely agree that that tree is in the Tilia genus. Basswoods and lindens are both members of this genus. Usually, Americans use the term 'basswood' to refer to our native species and 'linden' to the European species. I've read that European English-speakers also refer to them as 'lime' trees. Since those leaves are much smaller than those of our native basswoods, I would go with littleleaf linden (Tilia cordata), a European native that is widely used as an ornamental throughout northern Europe.
Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: Phorester on October 14, 2009, 08:21:48 AM
BEENTHERE, what Dodgy said.  ;D

I have a reference book for landscape tree ID that lists 10 cultivars of linden available for street & lawn planting.  All similiar to basswood but with slightly different looks and growth characteristics. Also, best I can tell, there are 3 basswods native to the USA.

By the way, basswood honey comes from both basswood and linden trees.
Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: getoverit on October 14, 2009, 10:28:37 AM
it took me a while because it is raining here, but here is the pic of the bark of the tree. Thanks again for your help! This has been educational!

 

(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13048/2480/001%7E0.JPG)
Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: Gary_C on October 14, 2009, 10:39:31 AM
Looks like one of those Firewood trees to me.   ::)
Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: WDH on October 14, 2009, 11:15:14 AM
One man's basswood is another man's linden  :D.  Tilia = Tilia.  The honey is sweet, all the same  ;D.
Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: OneWithWood on October 14, 2009, 12:06:23 PM
One man's basswood is another man's linden  :D.  Tilia = Tilia.  The honey is sweet, all the same  ;D.

I thought that was only for tupelo  :)
Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: WDH on October 14, 2009, 05:58:20 PM
OWW,

It was very Nyssa of you to point that out  :D :D.
Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: SwampDonkey on October 14, 2009, 06:08:33 PM
Yeah, I go for lime on the Tilia. Non native look to me. Basswood here have huge leaves and not symmetrical. People plant lime on the river front boardwalks of our local towns. They don't winter very well, most die in a few years. In my opinion bur oak would be best if they could get native seed. There are a few large native basswood trees in local towns as well. Just have to keep an eye out for them. ;D
Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: climbncut on October 15, 2009, 04:31:05 PM
After seeing the bark I'm gonna go with Tilia cordata.
Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: getoverit on October 19, 2009, 01:06:46 AM
Thanks for the help! Now I have a good idea how to fertilize these trees in order to maximize the bloom in the spring... may have to wait till next year though...Thanks again!!
Title: Re: help identifying trees please
Post by: rambo on March 15, 2010, 10:16:26 PM
Basswood, peach and cherry.