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Getting Logs for the WM
« on: February 25, 2018, 04:53:03 PM »
I got a call last week about a Cherry tree that was taken down and some Elm and Poplar also. I get calls a lot like this from home owners who have arborist take them down in in people's yards.  Most people don't want heavy equipment (bodcat, tractors) messing up their yards so my Log Rite ATV arch is always a hit with those folks. Anyways I took the arch out Friday and transported the logs to my trailer. This also gave me a chance to try out my new Portable Winch.  Up until now I have been using a hand crank winch in situations like this which worked, but also made for a long day.  The winch has a 50cc Honda engine and is rated to pull 2,200 on a straight line pull. Could easily double that with some snatch blocks.  The winch worked great and I got the logs loaded in no time. I am going back tomorrow to get the poplar and the elm. I made a video showing the winch and the days work. Also gave me a good reason to use my new drone. Thought I would share with you guys on here, 

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« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2018, 06:05:38 PM »
That works well.
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« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2018, 06:15:55 PM »
Good vid!
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Re: Getting Logs for the WM
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2018, 06:24:24 PM »
   I did not catch where you got the winch from, capacity or cost but I agree - I need one. Where did you get it? Make, model, cost, etc?

    As to the limbs/knots hanging on the trailer if that is a common problem you might put a roller (Pipe, post, cut off top, etc) cross ways under the front of the log then winch it up. That will give it extra height and reduce resistance and even allow you to move a bigger log. If you are using rollers to move one a long distance use 3 rollers with one in front, 1 in middle and one at the end. As the log rolls off the end move it to the front. We've moved heavy granite slabs long distances using a couple of 2X12 boards for track and 3 pieces of pipe and push with a long spud type bar. 

   I hope that was an ivy vine not poison ivy BTW. I could not determine if it was a hairy beast from what I saw.
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Re: Getting Logs for the WM
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2018, 06:52:01 PM »
Check them out www.portablewinch.com 

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« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2018, 06:52:38 PM »
I was thinking the same thing about the poison ivy.
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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2018, 07:34:55 PM »
Nathan
Would a steel roller added to the back of you trailer help in loading ?
In the 80's the lumber yard trucks in my area didn't dump they had a roller on the back and the driver turned it with a ratchet and the load rolled off on to the ground.
They went away by way of the insurance man :D
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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2018, 07:59:05 PM »
I watched the video on YouTube before I read this thread. Great video!  I really like capstan wenches. They are very safe and effective. 
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Re: Getting Logs for the WM
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2018, 08:42:56 PM »
That was good old Ivy, but sometimes I get lucky and it doesn't effect me much,

I plan on getting a roller of some sorts for helping get the logs started on the trailer.

The winch runs around 1500$, it can straight line pull 2200 lbs, So far its been a good 
tool to have, looking forward to taking it into the forest and using it to help pull my fetching arch, 
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Re: Getting Logs for the WM
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2018, 09:25:36 PM »
That was good old Ivy, ...
Nathan,

   Not clear to me - was it ornamental ivy or poison ivy?
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Re: Getting Logs for the WM
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2018, 08:06:50 AM »
You will know by the time you take a bath tonight :D
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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2018, 11:02:09 AM »
The Logrite arch in combination with any kind of winch is a huge plus in recovering yard logs.    I've been using that method for quite a few years now.  


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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2018, 02:40:56 PM »
For that kinda money or less, you could have a Warn 8274.    Way faster pull.  Way stronger pull.   No gas, no pulling a start rope.  

I regularly pull 24-36"x8-16' cedar logs on to my trailer with mine.

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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2018, 03:12:58 PM »
I have a couple of the warns, and they are very good and rebuildable too, but not near as versatile as a gas, chainsaw winch. Just different uses.
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« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2018, 05:47:15 PM »
   I'm with Starmac on this one. I can easily see using a gas winch in the woods pulling from tree to tree till I get to a landing. With a trailer/equipment mounted electric winch you can't do that as easily. Plus it looks to me to be easier to refill a gas tank than recharge a battery.
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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2018, 06:08:10 PM »
My trailer has a similar metal piece going across the deck. I carry a piece of roofing tin and let the log slide on that across the strip. Just lay it down and roll the log on it , chain up and pull away. It doesn't have to be too long, enough to go over both strips. Cheap, easy fix! I have a 4500 pound Superwinch on the front of the trailer.
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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2018, 06:45:39 PM »
I have gas and electric. Both have there place. I you using it a lot then gas is the way to go. Electric is hard on batterys.
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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2018, 07:48:34 PM »
I got a call last week about a Cherry tree that was taken down and some Elm and Poplar also. I get calls a lot like this from home owners who have arborist take them down in in people's yards.  Most people don't want heavy equipment (bodcat, tractors) messing up their yards so my Log Rite ATV arch is always a hit with those folks. Anyways I took the arch out Friday and transported the logs to my trailer. This also gave me a chance to try out my new Portable Winch.  Up until now I have been using a hand crank winch in situations like this which worked, but also made for a long day.  The winch has a 50cc Honda engine and is rated to pull 2,200 on a straight line pull. Could easily double that with some snatch blocks.  The winch worked great and I got the logs loaded in no time. I am going back tomorrow to get the poplar and the elm. I made a video showing the winch and the days work. Also gave me a good reason to use my new drone. Thought I would share with you guys on here,



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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2018, 09:17:09 PM »
That was good old Ivy, ...
Nathan,

   Not clear to me - was it ornamental ivy or poison ivy?
It was poison,
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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2018, 09:21:50 PM »
the reason I went with the gas over the battery/trailer mounted was in the name it's self, It is portable, cant lug a battery powered one into the woods etc,  I have used it twice now and can't be without it,

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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2018, 06:46:38 AM »
The portable has its advantages. Hence the word portable. I can snatch a 30x20 foot log like a tooth pick if I can get to it with my bad land 12000 lb winch but I only have 50' of cable. Nathan u can take that thing any where. I stresses my altanator so bad on my last load it was putting out 16.5 amps. Next purchase will be 2 1000amp  deep cycle rv batteries lucky the Chevy z71 comes stock with Bosch 160amp alternator. For smaller logs u can't go wrong with the portable and with a snatch block u can go bigger.

 
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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2018, 10:25:12 AM »
Nathan,
I like all your videos.  This one has me thinking seriously of buying the portable winch.  It will pay for itself on that otherwise inaccessible downed tree in the woods. 

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« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2018, 03:44:34 PM »
I have the same portable capstan winch with the honda engine, got it with my Logrite fetching arch.  I think Logrite sold them at the time not sure.  It's a great winch.  Pull a log with your little finger on the rope if you want,.

I wouldn't want  to have the rope break when pulling. Definitely could be an eye hazard if not worse. I suppose any recoil or whiplash would depend on what kind of rope.   I always wear a chainsaw helmet and keep the customer way off from the line of pull. The rope I have is in good condition and I am not very afraid of it breaking as in my experience the winch stalls out if the load is too great for it.  But look out, just saying.
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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2018, 11:58:19 PM »
It's is my understanding that if you use the recommended rope, double braided I think it is, that there is very little recoil if/when the rope brakes. I've seen these winches used but never seen the rope brake so I still would stand to the side.
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« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2018, 07:18:41 AM »
You can buy special rope that has no recoil but it's expensive. 
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« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2018, 08:24:22 AM »
A 7/16 static kernmantle rope like we use in rope rescue will cost about $1.50 per foot and have a tested breaking strength of about 7,000 lbs.  Static means it doesnt stretch much, but will stretch some.  It just doesnt stretch like the dynamic ropes that climbers use.  The 7000 breaking strength does not account for knots.  Knots weaken the rope and the amount depends on the knot and the number of them.  Whats good about the winch is that you only need one knot to use it.  A figure 8 knot will break at about 80% of the ropes strength.
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« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2018, 12:14:08 PM »
So I'm thinking with a 2,200 lb. winch there will be no issues, no even doubled. At least not until the rope is pretty well worn. 
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« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2018, 12:27:31 PM »
Right.  Clearly you have better than double safety margin.  With kernmantle rope, the braided parts on the outside are just Protection for the core which is where the strength.  Abrasions to the outer layer are ok, but you have to look for damage to the inner part, sometimes seen as loops of that sticking out thru the outer.  Terminology lesson.....the kern is the inner part and the mantle is the outer part.
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