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Re: Recommended Brands/Models
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2019, 10:09:32 AM »
It's worth noting that the OP has apparently not been back since the day he first registered and posted this.
I'd been back... Just had no idea there were any responses. I don't get notifications and there isn't a dashboard I can figure out. Also, I work for a utility contractor here in Northern California. Between the Camp Fire and the snow event in Redding, we've been working 7 days a week, 12 hours a day

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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2019, 10:40:57 AM »
Hi folks- sorry for the lack of recent response ( see aforementioned reason). So here's where I'm at:

*Type of business: I'm starting by renting out chainsaws, wood splitters and landscaping trailers. I'll expand the business incrementally and eventually get to the point of doing everything from dropping the trees to producing finished products ( dimensional, custom, siding, flooring, shingles, etc). I'm starting with the saw, splitter and trainer rental business because it's a much smaller initial investment and can provide me with passive income that I can use to keep growing the biz. I live close to Paradise, and have worked a lot within the burn scar of the Camp Fire. Trees deemed hazardous are being removed, but you can bet your last dollar that more wood than that is coming down in the name if defensible space. As for wood in the ground already- thousands of cords, or millions of board feet depending on how you look at it.

* Saws I'm planning to buy: all Stihl- the local dealer is an Elite dealer and every mechanic they have is certified at the factory. The actual models I'm looking at are:

-ms193 top handle for limb work
-ms261 c-m for general use
-ms362 c-m for larger needs

If anyone asks if I have anything bigger I'll be pointing them to professional fellers.

*Points related to doing business:
   -I will be making renters sign a contract which will include a liability waiver and language related to responsibility for damage resulting from negligence
   -I will keep the price of the rental itself on the low side of the local market but require my customers to use my mixed gas
   -I will be factoring in issues related to cutting on burnt wood (not sure what to do yet as I'm sure someone could smoke a chain quickly going right through charred bark).



This is kind of where I'm at right now. My market is full of d.i.y. folks who are used to working with saws but have just lost everything they own to the fire. I know a fool is born every second, but there's so many good folks up the hill (what we call Paradise and Magalia) that I feel good about doing this. Any other input would be great.

Thanks all!

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Re: Recommended Brands/Models
« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2019, 10:51:45 AM »
You might want to look into some kind of "quicky" chain sharpener for your rentals. Oregon has a system that includes a bar and chain, and you sharpen it by attaching a thing on the end of the bar, and pressing it as you throttle the saw. I'm skeptical of it giving a great edge, but it might be good enough. Even a [I have typed a profane word that is automatically changed by the forum censored words program I should know better and could be banned for doing it] sharpened chain is better than not sharp at all.


I don't necessarily endorse the Oregon system, and have never seen it in person. Just food for thought. You could also go the semi manual route with each saw coming with a jig and a proper new file(customer gets to keep the file), and a printed instruction sheet on use.

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« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2019, 11:41:14 AM »
@lxskllr one of the shops here in town provides a free chain with every rental- that seems crazy to me. I'm definitely going to have to figure out something for chain maintenance, that's for sure. Luckily you only need to rent the saw 8 to 10 times to get your money back.

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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2019, 11:31:48 AM »
Well, a guy could go either way.   He could use semi pro or pro class saws and require a stiff deposit, or buy cheaper home owner ranch saws at a reduced deposit.  Either way I would require one.  The advantage of pro class would be, they have potential to hold up better with rough treatment, and can be rebuilt.  The cheaper clamshell homeowner saws, cannot withstand rough handling well, and being mostly plastic construction, more parts breakage. On the other hand, you don't have the cash outlay upfront with the cheaper units.  Maybe semi-pro is the best way to go.  Either way I would require the renter to take a jug of mixed fuel to use with that saw, which should eliminate the chance of a lean seisure.   If it were me I wouldn't mess with any of it at all!  I have a problem with idiots in todays society.   >:(
I'll definitely require a deposit, and providing the gas is a great idea. Not understanding the lien seizure though- I'm buying the saws outright, and creditors file liens against debtors. Also, by having renters sign a contract with language regarding negligent use, and having an indemnity clause for personal injury, the risk of financial exposure/harm is mitigated.

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« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2019, 11:35:46 AM »
@wild262 jeezuz, I read that totally wrong! Engine seizure due to lean mix, right? Too many people suing other people here in California!

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« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2019, 11:40:59 AM »

 Not understanding the lien seizure though- I'm buying the saws outright, and creditors file liens against debtors.
I think you both may have the terminology wrong. Lean seizure is too much air to gas mixture, eg the high screw isn't set rich enough. Not sure what you'd call too little 2stroke oil. None at all would be straight gassed.

Brings up a good point though. Since you're going Stihl, it might be worth getting all Mtronic saws. That'll keep people that /think/ they know how to tune equipment from monkeying with the carb settings, and burning up a saw.

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« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2019, 12:45:08 PM »
@wild262 jeezuz, I read that totally wrong! Engine seizure due to lean mix, right? Too many people suing other people here in California!


Well I meant to say it would prevent the saw from being straight gassed.  And yes, Monotune would even further help maybe as well if the cost of those saws are in your budget. Keep in mind they would need software up dates from time to time as well.  Are you going to do that, or take them to the dealer?    And I agree with the suing part.  Nobody wants to talk things out anymore and work to a solution.  Suing seems to be easier. ::)   

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« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2019, 11:58:13 AM »
I'll be having the dealer handle all the updates and whatnot. Depending on the saw/product, they'll double your warranty if you buy bar oil or a case of engine oil. My plan is to sell my used saws within their 2 year warranty period and buy new. They'll always be under warranty and new/newer than what competitors are renting.

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« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2019, 08:39:46 PM »
I believe that if you use saws for commercial use - then the warranty is limited to 90 days or something like that, and I'm sure rental of saws would be considered as such.. 
You may wish to check it out for yourself prior to buying the saws let alone whatever other stuff like any extra oil that may believe will make any coverage longer.. Just Say'n..  


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