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Anyone want to talk about Belsaw Mills
« on: March 20, 2019, 08:20:48 AM »
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Re: Anyone want to tal about Belsaw MlLLs
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2019, 12:38:18 PM »
You need a sawdust blower.

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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2019, 01:03:50 PM »
have a drag system to put on

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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2019, 09:34:20 PM »
Some times that's better than a blower. I always say this to bellsaw owners; somebody should design a set works for it that works better and especially holds back. If you can get your hand on a real sawmill set works you will agree.

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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2019, 08:19:40 AM »
I fully agree I also have an American mill and it handles the large logs much better. I wanted a mill I could move and the belsaw fit that bill. I've sawed some pretty large logs on my belsaw. And a chain drag robs less power then a blower. that's why I like them.



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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2019, 08:36:45 AM »



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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2019, 01:26:41 PM »
I  always thought about putting a bellsaw on steel box beams for skids and dragging it into red cedar stands. I don't like wheels on a sawmill unless you can knock them off. Used to be a few No. 1 Americans around here. I have some nice literature on them.

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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2019, 04:34:59 PM »
I have an old catalog for the American Company a reprint. Most of the mills in this area are made with parts from different mills. I will probably get a band mill someday if the price is right to resaw with. I just really like my circular mills. also would like to build a sash mill some day

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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2019, 07:16:41 PM »
Can't believe you said that. I too wanted to build a sash mill, actually an up and down sawmill for oversize logs. My idea was to have a saw blade made with inserted teeth. That's because those monster logs will have metal.  I presume your big sawmill is a No. 1 with belt feed.  One of my sawmill mentors ran one with friction feed, a real old one. This American had been converted to log beam style carriage.

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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2019, 01:07:18 AM »
The Belsaw is the only circle mill I have seen where you don't have to walk around an engine and husk to off bear.  Truly a one man mill.  Probably its only redeeming feature other than price.  My Belsaw track is oval and in 10 foot sections but the ends do not match up very good because the ends are slightly lower than the rest of the section.  It results in a rather bumpy ride for the carriage.  I was thinking of welding the sections together and carefully grinding the welds smooth for a smoother ride.  Anything wrong with this idea?

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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2019, 07:16:35 AM »
Trapper, can you shim the ends of your track, any unevenness is like poison to a circular mill. Belsaw carriages are very flexible and will follow any anomalies in the track and that causes the saw to rub and heat. Frank C.
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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2019, 07:29:14 AM »
You really can't shim them straight. The 10' sections of pressed 3/16" C channel are not particularly straight and then the double angle track is welded to them so the track has a slight camber from end to end every 10'. I didn't weld my joints just shimmed the ends in line and bolted angle across the joint and have meant to replace the track with heavier 20' sections of C channel or rectangular tube. The main offender is of course where you are loading and turning.
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« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2019, 01:00:43 PM »
My problem is that the track sections are miss manufactured at the ends, I should have cut off a quarter inch at each end when I first installed.  What effect will temperature changes have on a 46 foot piece of solid track.  Ever hear a metal roof when the sun hits it?  But I suppose the steel frame that the track is bolted to is also expanding and contracting at the same time.

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Re: Anyone want to tal about Belsaw MlLLs
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2019, 01:16:15 PM »

The Belsaw is the only circle mill I have seen where you don't have to walk around an engine and husk to off bear.
 

Dixon and Utilizer circle mills also had an in-board "husk".
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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2019, 08:12:19 PM »
Hey Cutting Edge reslly injoyed or conversation today snd thanks for the info on band blades

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« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2019, 08:16:38 PM »
Trapper John weld them up and grind smoorh can always cut them apart later if needed

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« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2019, 03:51:47 PM »
Some times that's better than a blower. I always say this to bellsaw owners; somebody should design a set works for it that works better and especially holds back. If you can get your hand on a real sawmill set works you will agree.



A few questions.  There is some play in my carriage wheels (the guide track) and I assume in every Belsaw.  Are you guys shimming your guide wheels to remove this play or not worrying about it?  I have a chance to buy an American #l pretty reasonable and I was wondering if I could adapt the carriage to my Belsaw.  I need to know the width of the American carriage and if it will simply drop onto my 39" Belsaw frame.  I realize the larger American trucks will decrease the cutting height of my saw but will this give me problems?

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« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2019, 04:17:48 PM »
Are you guys shimming your guide wheels to remove this play or not worrying about it?

The wheels on my sled were worn and sloppy. I took them to a machinist who made bushings and new pins for them. My tracks are not in perfect alignment, but I didn't consider how that could be heating my blade as Bandmiller is saying. Heating the blade does happen - now I'll look a little more careful at the tracks and gaps. Thanks for mentioning that!
I'm in the process of redesigning my sled. It's the 60" carriage with labour intensive dawgs, and it's wearing me out readjusting it with almost every pass. I'd like to add 30" sections to the back and front of the sled for better supporting long logs, and I'm trying to figure out some hydraulics for these setworks. I will probably resist the urge to add a log turner in the mix!
JimParamedic, what kind of power are you using to running your saws?
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« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2019, 06:50:21 PM »
The biggest problem with bell saw dogs, [the late model ones] is that they drive the spike too far. When well adjusted the user must use both hands and hold the dog up some while pushing the lever down. Some of the ever ready dogs on old mills are just as bad but may hold on their weight alone. When I had a new bell saw the carriage rollers had side play but [the carriage] would travel the same path every time. The feed was never any good but I reworked it.

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« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2019, 09:53:20 PM »

I always thought the dogs on a Utilzer mill could easily be copied and used on the Belsaws.

Hard to describe how they work, but each headblock had Gear Rack running vertical, bolted to the side and the dog assembly had a portion of the gear captive inside.  Basically a scaled down DeLoach style headblock, except DeLoach was all cast iron.

Would take a little butt scratching to get the dog assembly fabbed and functional, but parts are easily obtainable.  But the 12 pitch Gear Rack and gears would set you back $400+. 

But to have functional dogs on a Belsaw... Priceless  ;)


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