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Re: Anyone want to tal about Belsaw MlLLs
« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2019, 12:49:17 PM »
only with liberal application of belt dressing (corn syrup or honey)

Okay, I checked the date, and it's past April 1st!! Wouldn't sawdust and corn syrup get messy - like tar & feathers? :D   
In spruce the cut off knots get very hard soon

Bummer! I have 30 spruce logs to cut. They've been in the pile for 10 months.
A machine shop can make new blades

My machinist thought he could make new planer knives from an old grader blade, or the ice blade from a Zamboni. But he's reluctant due to liability - something to do with retro pieces swinging on a century-old machine at 12,000 rpm!
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Re: Anyone want to tal about Belsaw MlLLs
« Reply #41 on: April 04, 2019, 02:28:35 PM »
Yeah I am getting some buildup of gunk on my belt but I have no choice right now, without it I cannot saw at all because of the slippage at the engine pulley.  I have a plan to install an idler and go to a 10" belt.  You might want to put uhmw or some other plastic strips on your carriage so the log will advance easier.  With a heavy log when I pull the set lever all the way, it will spring back a little bit meaning there is tension in the set mechanism and knees.  As the carriage rolls down the track the vibration releases the tension and the log is pushed out into the saw and I get a thicker board at the end than at the beginning of the cut.  At least I think that is what is happening.  I think my arbor pulley (truck tire and rim) is giving me grief also.  It is not running true and I think that is flexing my arbor or setting up a bad vibration.  I had to push so hard on the Johnson stick two days ago that the 5/8" rod that holds my cable pulley bent and the cable came off.  I have been trying for two years to get this mill tuned and running good.  But I did locate a arbor pulley in Alaska but the problem is it is only 7" wide.  I am going to buy it anyway and have a machine shop (they build tanks) preform 2" flat steal and weld it on both sides of the pulley to give me a 11" wide pulley.  It will only be crowned in the middle but hopefully it will work and I can get rid of the truck tire.  And I just ordered a Honda gx390 because I am building a bandsaw.  Seems like a lot of bandmillers start off with Belsaws also. 

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Re: Anyone want to tal about Belsaw MlLLs
« Reply #42 on: April 04, 2019, 03:03:38 PM »
There are also companies that make chipper knives and I talked with them at the Paul Bunin show and they said they can make them for me.
 For flat belt dressing I  make my own out of 1part bees wax 1 part linseed oil and 2 parts tar heat to mix up works good for me

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« Reply #43 on: April 06, 2019, 08:24:44 AM »
Trying to up load videos hope i can get this figured out

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Re: Anyone want to tal about Belsaw MlLLs
« Reply #44 on: April 06, 2019, 08:49:59 AM »
I think everyone that has a Belsaw has bent the feed cable pulley shafts. It means something was in a bind and it was forced. Guilty here :D. I rebuilt mine with some heavy C channel across the ends of the track and mounted the pulley in that. But if you're having feed trouble the problem is in the mill setup somewhere, you're sawing in a bind.
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Re: Anyone want to tal about Belsaw MlLLs
« Reply #45 on: April 06, 2019, 10:21:34 AM »
Trying to up load videos hope i can get this figured out
You don't/can't upload videos directly to the Forestry Forum. Instead, you upload them to YouTube and then put a link to the YouTube video in your comment on the Forestry Forum.
Hope that helps.
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« Reply #46 on: April 06, 2019, 11:58:25 AM »
Thanks for the info

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« Reply #47 on: April 08, 2019, 07:57:13 AM »

I think I've got this figured out.

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Re: Anyone want to tal about Belsaw MlLLs
« Reply #48 on: April 08, 2019, 03:16:29 PM »
Jimparamedic, your mill feeds to opposite way to mine. I wouldn't be able to go direct from my PTO like I do if mine was setup like that. - Jason
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« Reply #49 on: April 08, 2019, 06:07:56 PM »
yes that's why I haven't hooked a tractor to it. I am looking for a bigger power unit but this works so far. Would like to find a v4 Wisconsin 20 to 25 hp 

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« Reply #50 on: April 13, 2019, 01:59:42 PM »
I have the stuff now going to add the sawdust chain on Monday I hope

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« Reply #51 on: April 20, 2019, 02:15:33 AM »
Jim, I was brousing some old posts and saw you used a hydraulic garden tractor for your feed drive.  I am thinking of going hydraulic and since I have a junk lawnmower that might work I was wondering how it works for you and how hard was it to build.  

 

 I made the frame for this mill from stair stringers from a 100' fire look out tower from Illinois.  Engine is 6 cylinder liquid cooled Deutz.  It is elevated because I live on the Yukon R and this can place can flood during the ice breakup in May.  The water would have been half way up the engine in 2013 when we had a 100yr flood.  The mill sits right in front of my abode, I truly live in a mill house and I don't have far to travel to have fun.

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« Reply #52 on: April 20, 2019, 09:23:01 AM »
You have a very nice set up. I don't have any good pictures right now but I will get some next week. What i used was a hydrostatic drive garden tractor I removed everything except the pump and the hydraulic motor i had to cut away some of the case where it joined the trans axle put a chain sprocket on the motor. Then hooked a 1hp electric motor to it to run it. It took a little time to figure out what to remove and what to leave but all in all it was not that hard to do. Hand tools, a right angle grinder, and a welder was all i used no machine work. I did this to replace out the old flat belt system that was warn out and also so i could run the carriage without running the saw. Where the mill is sitting now I did not have power so i switched to the mandrel to run my hydraulic drive. Also this is on my old american mill but would work on my belsaw to. 

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« Reply #53 on: April 27, 2019, 12:44:54 PM »
Weather was bad for my days off hoping Monday and Tuesday are better. Have a lot of plans to get done at the mill. Also found a 50" blade in Pa I need to go pick up.

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« Reply #54 on: April 27, 2019, 09:05:54 PM »
A 50" saw is big for a bellsaw. What is really needed is the mandrel off a l/h sawmill.  Was it trapper who called the feed handle a Johnson stick [bar]. Haven't herd that in a long time but lets not change the names of everything like the band mill newbees, that stick is called the crowd.

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« Reply #55 on: April 28, 2019, 08:38:29 AM »
50" is a big saw But that is what I have been running and not had any problems yet. I do have a smaller 40" saw. But it is in tested as of yet. My other thought is that in the future I can have A 50" blade cut down as long as the plate is good. And as far as the names of different parts it all depends on where you are at in the world. So it can be confusing at times. Like soda pop and coke.

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« Reply #56 on: April 28, 2019, 10:06:01 AM »
Everything has more than one name but with the internet people are misnaming things and making it stick and it bugs me. It started with calls for 'slabs'. I would say that I had a big pile, pick out any you want for free. I like traditional names. In lumber rule books FOHC means free of heart center, ok that's 2 names already [heart and center] so now the newbees , some of them older than me, want to change that to pith, why?                              Anyhow a 46" is the largest recommended for the 1 3/4" mandrel. Bellsaw once made a thicker mandrel for a 52" saw. My old bellsaw has a 48" on it. Most any old circle sawmill can accommodate endless improvements and the bellsaw needs many but this is so time consuming. Keep me posted, thanks, Doug

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« Reply #57 on: April 28, 2019, 12:22:55 PM »
I have a 2" mandrel I am going to install someday or use to build another mill. And I do understand the name game. Here in this area a slab was the first cuts off the out side of a log and a board with live edge was called a fletch. An with this it make it hard to tell sometimes what some one wants. I had a guy ask for some slabs one time and I said I had a pile and he could just have all he wants. When he showed up he went straight to my lumber stacks and started taking it apart to get to the live edge stuff on the bottom. so from then on I make them tell me exactly what they want. And thank God he understood once I showed him the difference.

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« Reply #58 on: April 28, 2019, 04:18:46 PM »
So you really understand. I suppose that I shouldn't expect everyone to be interested in history but a lot of the 'proper' terms in sawmlling go back before the band, circle and even the sash all the way to pit sawing on other shores. In a new high production grade mill [hardwood] they run band head rig and band line bar re saw. The head rig drops heavy slabs and sends the square cant to the re saw in about 8 seconds. The heavy slabs go to a horizontal re saw called a slabber.         Does your 2" mandrel have the correct threads?  By the way, live edge is called round edge in traditional lumber terms.

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« Reply #59 on: April 28, 2019, 06:19:52 PM »
Yes it does have left hand tread. I don't know all the terms and I do like the history. I really like the water powered mill. Where I grew up there was an old dam on Cats Creek on the Wagner Farm and the Grandpa Wagner ( not my Grandpa but a term of respect ) would tell me stories about sitting on the log and eating his lunch while it was sawing. It was a sash mill.


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