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Re: Cause of wind shake in Hemlock
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2002, 06:38:39 PM »
   We've made fair gains in the herd size- but it's not like what you're talking about further south. I have no problem with the garden here. When I deliberately planted rye or oats and buckwheat in the outer pasture, I got deer coming in. That was nice. :)   lw
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« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2002, 06:47:25 PM »
We've had gains in our elk populations as well.  They even started another herd in a different part of the state.  They had their first elk hunt last year.

They got a little peeved at one of the farmers who was getting crop damage from elk.  He shot 9 of them.  The state said they were their elk, and that he couldn't shoot them.  The state lost.

We have also had gains in the bear and bobcat populations.  Bobcat season went into effect this past year.

There is also rumor of big cats coming into PA again.  Some signs were seen around the more populated areas.

Hard to believe that in the 1880s all the native deer were killed in PA.
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« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2002, 06:53:22 PM »
I generally support native wildlife introductions.  But reintroducing big cats seems fairly dangerous.  If you have problems with farmers being mad about some crop damage, imagine a bunch of mothers storming the state capital complaining about the cougars hunting their babies. :o

What was this about again?  Oh yeah, shake in hemlock.   ;D

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« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2002, 06:57:27 PM »
Thanks swamp. ;)
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Re: Cause of wind shake in Hemlock
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2002, 09:10:31 PM »
Funny how these things happen, ain't it Jeff? Just as soon as SWO puts the thread back on track, along comes some DanG fool to knock it off again.

Our State wildlife officials have been telling us, for years, that there are no Florida Panthers left in the northern half of the state, but those of us who recognize "the scream" know better. I was perplexed by this for a good while, until I stumbled upon the apparent cause of the discrepancy. A couple of years ago, I and my Darlin' were riding our horses down one of the back roads, near here, when we came across a Wildlife Officer. I had been thinking that hunting season would be ending, soon, so I could resume riding in the woods, so I asked him when the season ended. Well, he turned a little red in the face, and admitted that he didn't have a clue. After some digging in the back seat of his SUV, he came up with a brochure that said that TODAY is the last day!  Just how in the cat hair was this guy gonna enforce the law, if he didn't even know what the law was? At that moment, a lot of questions were cleared up, for me. I no longer accept the word of any government or corporate entity, about matters that concern me. If I can't figure it out for myself, or learn from people that actually know, such as you folks, I'll just have to keep on wondering.

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Re: Cause of wind shake in Hemlock
« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2002, 11:14:32 AM »
I know what you mean about the game wardens not knowing whats going on we had fall turkey season small game fall bow for deer black powder and extended bow season all at the same time it didn't matter what weapon you picked up you could go hunt with it.
Here in N.J.we have a bad bear problem. The states bear program ran out of money 10 years ago and nobodys keeping track. Bears here have the highest survival rate in the US here this week alone I seen 4 bear 3 with cubs and that was just beside my driveway.We need some kind of controll since the do gooder and anti's wont allow bear hunting.Our problem is that the city people that never get in the woods out number us that have to put up with the bear >:( I don't mind when they cross my lawn we have to watch our 4 kids it's when they stand up and look in your window or come on the deck when they cross the line :-X. On another note two mountain lions were spoted this spring in near by town. Whats next? ::) ;D

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« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2002, 12:46:32 PM »
At least put in something about the *DanG bears shaking the hemlocks. ;)
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Re: Cause of wind shake in Hemlock
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2002, 02:54:24 PM »
The hemlock I get is from north of here and maybe 20% has shake.  hey sawyer 40 I grew up in Newton went to high school there till 1969.  I also worked for the YCC at thunder mountain in 1976.
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Re: Cause of wind shake in Hemlock
« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2002, 03:38:02 PM »
Sorry, Jeff.  I wouldn't know a Hemlock if your whupped my butt with one. Never seen one, that I know of. :D
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« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2002, 05:19:36 PM »
Ok Jeff right now were cutting hemlock on state fish and game land even the smaller hemlock are shook probably from people trembleing after being chased up them by a  BEAR :D :D 8)
  Does wind shake in white pine heal over a period of time?I cut one a while ago that was full of sap around a shake in the log. :)
Woodmills1 thats a little before my time as I was 7 years old in 1969 I bet you would be lost in Newton today it has really grown and changed  ;D

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« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2002, 08:00:57 PM »
There isn't any way for the shake to heal.  The only place with growing tissue is the cambial layer in the inner bark.

Pitch may have settled in the shake.  I have never seen pitch pool in white pine.  Pitch pine is quite another story.  I've seen it ooze from the board.
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« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2002, 07:14:14 AM »
I have seen pitch run out of white pine when I cut through a crotch.  It is amazing how much nice lumber can be cut from some crotch sections.  I call them a "pair of pants" two nice legs and a crotch.  other than that I have only seen small pockets of pooled pitch.
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Re: Cause of wind shake in Hemlock
« Reply #32 on: June 29, 2002, 07:20:24 AM »
Hey Woodmills, I did YCC in NC in '76, Umstead and Mt Mitchell.
My understanding of shake in hemlock is it is a slow moving bacterial infection that comes up from the roots. If the land had cows on it infection is guaranteed. Thats why the butt log or even just the lower part of the butt log is bad. If you've ever wondered about the tall stumps in old logging photos, I was told the old loggers didn't know bacteria from rocketships they just knew to cut above the funky wood.
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« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2002, 10:21:56 AM »
I was always figured the tall stumps were for ease of cutting.  You get above the stump swell, and you don't have to bend over to use your misery whip.

Hemlock lumber was a by product in the old days.  The prized part of the hemlock was the bark.  They used that for the tannic acid for tanning hides.  That's why you see mountains of peeled logs.  
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