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Re: Anyone milling/selling hard rock maple in Michigan?
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2006, 06:13:14 PM »
I might be missing something here but a 3x3" board will have 2 sides quarter sawn and 2 flat. Doesn't matter if you "quarter saw" the blank or not. A 4/4 board that is flat sawn will have the edges from quarter sawn material and vice versa. My feelings are that quarter sawn only applies to a board that has the face surface measure greater then the edge. In a square piece you ain't going to get that.
















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Re: Anyone milling/selling hard rock maple in Michigan?
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2006, 07:52:19 PM »
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Good points, plus when the pool cue is turned, there would be no difference in quartersawn vs flat sawn.   There must be something 'believed' about quartersawn that is clouding the desire for it. Not sure what that 'belief' is.
Splitting the maple green is the best (and might be the only) way to get truly straight grain material, IMO. Visually identifying straight grain in a 3x3 piece will be pretty difficult, I think. Grain of wood isn't necessarily parallel to the growth rings (i.e. think spiral grain as an example).
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Re: Anyone milling/selling hard rock maple in Michigan?
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2006, 09:39:52 PM »
Good points!

One more option:

Wouldnt it be better to screw a cup holder hook into each end of the piece and then hang it from a rafter or beam on one end and hang a brick or lead weight on the other end to insure that it dries straight?
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Re: Anyone milling/selling hard rock maple in Michigan?
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2006, 10:42:47 PM »
okiemac
Good points, plus when the pool cue is turned, there would be no difference in quartersawn vs flat sawn.   There must be something 'believed' about quartersawn that is clouding the desire for it. Not sure what that 'belief' is.
Splitting the maple green is the best (and might be the only) way to get truly straight grain material, IMO. Visually identifying straight grain in a 3x3 piece will be pretty difficult, I think. Grain of wood isn't necessarily parallel to the growth rings (i.e. think spiral grain as an example).

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Maybe I've been making guitars for too long.  The belief is quartersawn material is 25% stronger and more stable than flatsawn wood.  I don't want a flatsawn board with the growth rings running out halfway up the board and growth rings that are all wavy up and down the board length wise. 

Oakiemac is right with the smaller 3"x3" sizes for turned wood only if the growth rings are running straight up and down the board and all even it will work just fine.  However I will be buying 3" thick x 6" wide material also and it's just all too easy to have a perfectly quartered piece of lumber with the growth rings running straight up and down the board and straight up and down on the end of the board.  Then if I want to make a guitar neck out of the material I buy it will work for that also and make those guy's who want dead on quartersawn wood happy.

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« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2006, 11:47:51 PM »
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I don't want a flatsawn board with the growth rings running out halfway up the board and growth rings that are all wavy up and down the board length wise.

I don't want to sound like I am arguing with you, but your statement about the flatsawn board (square 3x3) holds just as true with a quartersawn board - that is either can happen (growth rings running in and out) whether it be flatsawn or quartersawn. 

That helps clear up what you want -- all the annual rings to remain in the board for the 4' length. And you want the board to be sawn out of a straight log parallel with the bark, not the pith.
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Re: Anyone milling/selling hard rock maple in Michigan?
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2006, 02:52:22 PM »
I don't want to sound like I am arguing with you, but your statement about the flatsawn board (square 3x3) holds just as true with a quartersawn board - that is either can happen (growth rings running in and out) whether it be flatsawn or quartersawn. 

That helps clear up what you want -- all the annual rings to remain in the board for the 4' length. And you want the board to be sawn out of a straight log parallel with the bark, not the pith.

Beenthere,
I am going to saw for Glaze.  The qsawn makes sense to me, if for nothing else than a way to see that you are staying true to the grain. Yes two faces will be qsawn and two will be perfectly flat sawn.  I see it as an allignment aid.

My plan is take his wood out of the "black" sections of the diagram on very straight logs and cut parallel to the bark like you said.

Can you shoot holes in the plan?  Think it will work?
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Re: Anyone milling/selling hard rock maple in Michigan?
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2006, 04:08:10 PM »
Can't shoot holes in the plan from your end. It's about the best one can do. If there is no spiral grain in the log, then straight grain should be produced.

Will you make the 3x3" blanks as discussed earlier? 

Thanks for the drawing.

(I'd still split the sawn flitches you produce to get the true straight-grain pieces to work from, if I were glaze.  :) If they don't split true when green, there is no expense to 2 yrs drying, surfacing, turning, sanding to eventually learn in the final product that they were not true to begin with).
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Re: Anyone milling/selling hard rock maple in Michigan?
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2006, 07:08:35 PM »
Thanks for the input beenthere. 
I will cut 3x3 or anything up to 3x6 blanks for glaze.  My maple up here has huge heartwood so I will be hard pressed to get 3x3 right under the bark.  But he wants 20+ rings per inch, much of our stuff is so slow growing the rings are over 30+ an inch :o
The wood for this project will be very selective.  Finding Sugar Maple that are ment to come down will be a project :)  Up here we cherish the good ones for maple syrup 8)
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Re: Anyone milling/selling hard rock maple in Michigan?
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2006, 08:20:50 PM »
If two sides of the 3by 3 is quarter sawnm then two sides will be flat sawn.
If two sides are flat sawn then two sides will be quarter sawn.

Beenthere, I know bowyers that make long bows want thier bow blanks split out and not sawn so as the grain fibers remain intact the length of the bow, other wise the limbs will fail at draw.
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Re: Anyone milling/selling hard rock maple in Michigan?
« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2006, 09:01:58 PM »
I have sold quite a few bow blanks of Osage and what is realy wanted is STRAIGT Grain the full lenght of the blanks.  The grain needs to be 90 degrees to the flat sawn side. 

Quarter sawn leaves quite a difference in degrees of the grain. 

I suspsect what he is looking for is best descibed as STRIAGHT GRAIN with no grain runout on the blank.


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Re: Anyone milling/selling hard rock maple in Michigan?
« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2006, 09:30:51 PM »
Kirk,
I agree, my thinking is keeping the grain vertical will help me insure the grain is straight. Straight grain is what counts on a round object vertical grain qsawn is just a guide to help me cut/
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Re: Anyone milling/selling hard rock maple in Michigan?
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2006, 05:10:21 PM »
I have sold quite a few bow blanks of Osage and what is realy wanted is STRAIGT Grain the full lenght of the blanks.  The grain needs to be 90 degrees to the flat sawn side. 

Quarter sawn leaves quite a difference in degrees of the grain. 

I suspsect what he is looking for is best descibed as STRIAGHT GRAIN with no grain runout on the blank.



Kirk

That's what I want dead on quartersawn with straight grain down the board and no grain runout down the blank.  I sent Max a piece of wood I had to show him exactly what I am talking about so there was no confusion.  Max was willing to do it so I sent him some money and I'm not in a big hurry to get the wood.  I'm willing to wait for the nicer stuff.  I had to narrow it down to one person and establish a good working relationship for the small quantity of wood I'm buying.  Right now it's just 50 board feet.  If I get nice material then I will order 100 board feet next.       

Sorry guy's I'm trying to catch up on the terminology you guy's use in the sawmill world so you guy's know exactly what I'm talking about.

Thanks 

Mike

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Re: Anyone milling/selling hard rock maple in Michigan?
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2006, 11:30:52 PM »
No problem Mike.  I figured that was what your looking for. 

If I come across some GOOD stuff I will let you know and if it works out great and if not no problem.



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