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Need to pick a saw
« on: August 27, 2008, 02:20:19 PM »
Hello.
Yes i am new here. Yes i used the search function. Yes i have been doing my homework.
First off some info -- I am a broke down wrek, I have about 100 acres of woods to tend.
So i need a lite go to saw that is not scared of much. Would like to run a 20" bar.
I have it narrowed down to three choices.
Dolmar PS-5100sh - 11.2 pounds - 50.7-cc - 3.8 hp
Husqvarna 460 - 12.8 lbs - 60.3cc - 3.7 hp
JONSERED CS 2159 TURBO - 12.3 lbs - 59 cc - 4.1 hp

I am leaning heavely towards the Dolmer. It seems to be a good package for a good price.
But am conserned about replaicing the bar as they claim it uses an odd bolt size.
So what do you think?
Have a better idea?

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Re: Need to pick a saw
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2008, 03:23:32 PM »
You're fixing to get all manner of opinions, Underdog.
Welcome to the Forestry Forum.  :)

When I was looking for a saw, the only thing I was told by the pulpwooders in the area was to get one with 4 cubic inch engine and a twenty inch bar.  I should make my choices from Husky or Stihl.  Husky had less bench time if maintenance was needed which meant that I could wait on it at the shop whereas I'd have to come back tomorrow to get the Stihl.

I ended up with a Huskey 61 and have never  been sorry.

Now, that doesn't tell you which saw to buy.  This happened many years ago.  But, it might help to make your decision easier by cutting to the core of the problem.  :)
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Re: Need to pick a saw
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2008, 03:31:15 PM »
The 5100 is the small Husky mount, not odd at all IMHO.  Same as the 359 bars you are looking at.
 

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Re: Need to pick a saw
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2008, 04:49:20 PM »
Good luck with the decision. ...and welcome to the forum.
I can only speak highly of the Stihl MS361.

I'd suggest you select a dealer you like and can work with, and go with that brand for being the happiest logger in your woods. Having a good dealer is priceless.
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Re: Need to pick a saw
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2008, 05:28:21 PM »

 I gotta go and agry with Beenthere  :-\ ;D   :D 
 Find the dealer that is the closest and has best reputation near you , go with him , all them saws are good saws , I lean a little towards Stihl myself but they aint in the equation  :-\
 Only advice I will give ya is , get a pro series saw . They will be a little more s'pensive but well worth the few bucks extra in the long run .
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Re: Need to pick a saw
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2008, 06:14:23 PM »
hello  have been faced with the decision myself.Ive ended up with a 346 xp and a 372 XP  I had a 441 but sold it and got the 372 XP.My 346 wears a 16 bar in pulls it with authority and my 372 pulls a 20 with amazing results.I'm not sure what size most or your cutting would be.a 357 XP is between them  and hear its a great saw also
gotta love those XP saws

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Re: Need to pick a saw
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2008, 06:53:57 PM »
Husky and Jonsered are both made by the same company and many models are 'twins', just like Ford/ Mercury or Chevy/ Buick/ GMC.

The Husky 359 is the same saw as the Jonsered 2159, just for your information. This model is thought of highly on several of the chainsaw forums. I am not familiar with the Husky 460, it's a new model with no real track record yet. I don't even know if it's a pro saw or homeowner model.

Some may say that the Husky 359/ JRed 2159 isn't a true pro saw, but it has all the pro features of the XP saws and many prefer it over the 357XP.

The Dolmar 5100 is also a hot little saw, but it's a bit smaller and is considered to be in the next smaller category. It's more comparable to the Husky 346XP in size and weight. Excellent power to weight in a small package.

The Stihl 361 has been getting great reviews so far, but it still has the same problem as most modern Stihls with the anemic oiler. Stihl has gone too far in reducing oiler output (for environmental reasons) and would rather see you buy more bars and chains than allow a little more oil to flow. I would own one myself if it weren't for the oiler, and the upgrade 460 oiler is a hundred bucks. For that much money I can buy another Husky 372XP.

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Re: Need to pick a saw
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2008, 06:58:53 PM »
if you get the 372 XP  you will not regret it best saw I have ever used
gotta love those XP saws

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Re: Need to pick a saw
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2008, 07:47:08 PM »
372xp = 700.00 and better than 13 Lbs looks like a nice saw though.
I am not handling more than Husqvarna 460 - 12.8 lbs; and it is about out of  the race on weight.
The other two are alot more affordable.
So that leaves the other two.
Cut4fun  thanks.   I did a bunch more reading 
Windsor claims they make a bar 20" in either .325 or 3/8 in .050 and .058
Oregon claims 20 in .325 and .050 and .058
So whats the big difference between .325 and 3/8 chain? i think i read the .325 takes a narrow cut.
And what is the difference in  .050 and .058
What would be the desirable combination for a 50cc to 60cc saw
346xp - 3.7 hp - 10.6 lbs  looks like a competetor. The  357XP or XPG - 12.1 lbs -  4.4 hp  looks nice but the price is high.

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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2008, 07:50:47 PM »
yes but the 372 at 13,4 lbs for a few ounces diff will blow away the 460
gotta love those XP saws

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Re: Need to pick a saw
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2008, 08:19:40 PM »
underdog what state you in. I have a 357xp you can test drive in my presence and a 372xpw = 375. Be warned both is woods ported. Had a stock 361 and sold it cheaper then you are pricing new for. You might want to look at good used saws.
If weight is a issue you are limiting your choices greatly.

What wood size and types are you wanting to cut with a 20" and 50cc saws?

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Re: Need to pick a saw
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2008, 08:30:55 PM »
So it is coming down to.
Dolmar inboard clutch --  i like this better
husky outboard clutch
And the matter of chains and bars
The husky comes with a 20" bar

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Re: Need to pick a saw
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2008, 08:35:57 PM »
I have the fortunate fate of having a serious professional saw shop here that carries both Husky and Stihl. I am on great terms with them and usually buy trade-in saws at great prices with outstanding service (as they are used), I have purchased nearly every saw in my fleet from them used, and have been thrilled with the deals. I am only saying this to enlighten you to another option,  IF you have a great dealer near by that will stand behind even a used saw it may be a way to get what you need reasonable, or in my case buy TWO.

 2- 394xp's, 2-372xp's, 2-338xp's,  Notice they are all pro models, that was good advice the other poster gave. I have had Stihls, they are good too, I just got bitten by the RPM bug ;D :D


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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2008, 08:38:36 PM »
Welcome to the forum,underdog.I have no idea about in and out clutches.Probaly as much as you will use yours,if won't matter either way.I would be more concerned about a dealer that I like.That would be the selling point for me.
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Re: Need to pick a saw
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2008, 08:44:14 PM »
underdog what state you in. I have a 357xp you can test drive in my presence and a 372xpw = 375. Be warned both is woods ported. Had a stock 361 and sold it cheaper then you are pricing new for. You might want to look at good used saws.
If weight is a issue you are limiting your choices greatly.

What wood size and types are you wanting to cut with a 20" and 50cc saws?

Sunbright Tennessee nearest dealer i can find is about 50 Miles away.
Shoot me a price on the 357Xp.
Yes i am a broke down wreck. i weighed all the saws i have and about 12Lbs is all i can handle.
I am trying to learn one tree from another. but mostly small to medium sized hardwoods. Alot of limbing work and firewood.

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Re: Need to pick a saw
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2008, 08:52:32 PM »
If you are that broke down, did Stihl come out with a saw that incrementally "wound" it'self . then you hit the switch and it cranks it over on it's own. ???

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Re: Need to pick a saw
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2008, 08:57:22 PM »
I have the fortunate fate of having a serious professional saw shop here that carries both Husky and Stihl. I am on great terms with them and usually buy trade-in saws at great prices with outstanding service (as they are used), I have purchased nearly every saw in my fleet from them used, and have been thrilled with the deals. I am only saying this to enlighten you to another option,  IF you have a great dealer near by that will stand behind even a used saw it may be a way to get what you need reasonable, or in my case buy TWO.

 2- 394xp's, 2-372xp's, 2-338xp's,  Notice they are all pro models, that was good advice the other poster gave. I have had Stihls, they are good too, I just got bitten by the RPM bug ;D :D


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I am not afraid of used. Just need to figure out what exactly i am looking for.
Heck the little woman just told me the other day all my equipment is junk. Did not hurt my feelings one bit.
It all gets the job done and has no payments due.
I have never been a fan of Sthill.
I have two of those lumps laying out here so old and tierd it is hard to tell what they are.
I think one is an 041 Farm Boss and the other is smaller and has Wood Boss on it.
Ironwood 
It hurts me even trying to crank the Farm Boss.
Been trying to get by with a 50cc Polan but it is just a waste of time even dragging it out. It runs good but only cuts reluctantly and you can forget about a straight cut with it.

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Re: Need to pick a saw
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2008, 09:11:18 PM »
You will be tickled with a "new" saw no matter which you pick, there have been leaps and bounds in user friendliness and ease of use. Enjoy.

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Re: Need to pick a saw
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2008, 09:14:46 AM »
a saw that cranks itself??? 8)
sign me up!
fill me in (i think you're joking   :D )-where do i get one??
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Re: Need to pick a saw
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2008, 10:03:58 AM »
When i was alot younger :-\
There where lawn mowers simular. You cranked a handle on top then pushed a button.

Husky's are getting hard to buy.....
So we have a list of candidates.
This is about the correct order. Now to find the one i cannot live without.
JONSERED 2159C        12# - 59cc
HUSQVARNA 357XP     12# - 57cc
Dolmar PS5100S         11# - 50.7cc
Husqvarna 359            12# - 59cc
Solo Model 656           11# - 56cc

Thanks for thinking about this with me.
A Sexy red and black chainsaw would be very nice. "I think"

 


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