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Re: log hauling
« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2010, 08:40:51 PM »
CC got me over here too. Can send ya some instructions on how i did it if ya want. Not sure it's the right way but hey it's working.lol..



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Re: log hauling
« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2010, 09:01:28 PM »
Those old Military Trucks don't even squat.  They just hunker down and roll on.  :D
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« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2010, 10:18:04 PM »
Ya'll don't get your panties all waded up over different State laws - remember this guy is in Arkansas.  He can license a three axle gooseneck for about $28.00/year or so and pull it with a fully licensed 3/4 ton truck (pickup truck @~$30.00/year).  Carry farm liability insurance and be good to go hauling logs, hay or aXX.  How many straps does it take?  Enough to keep the load on.  Once you go CDL, you'll get under differing rules and vehicle licenses will roll up in the thousands in this state (Arkansas).
These are not state laws they are DOT regulations for all states. Any vehicle over 10,000 gvw falls under dot regulations cdl or no cdl.
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Re: log hauling
« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2010, 10:31:54 PM »
With random enforcement throughout the country.  ::)

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Re: log hauling
« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2010, 10:38:45 PM »
Last February the Guy that Hauls my logs was Hit head-on by a Ford F450. His Peterbilt Was loaded along with his pup. When the Ford hit him he went into the ditch and tipped the truck over. The load shifted Forward pushing the headache rack into the back of the Cab before the Chains broke and scattered the Logs in the ditch and Highway. The load was legally bound by DOT Spec. The tractor with a 10' Spead between Uprights had 2 chains as did the pup. So even Legally Bound Loads arn't 100% fail Proof.. He and his chihuahua Roxy Both made it out with only Bumps and Bruises, The Guy that Hit him Died instantly.

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Re: log hauling
« Reply #45 on: January 26, 2010, 07:17:01 AM »
Too many forces and multiplying factors at work to think for a moment that loads will hold. I dont believe that is the goal of DOT regs, it would be ridiculesly hard to strap a load to anticipate all permeatations of accidents. IMHO


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Re: log hauling
« Reply #46 on: January 26, 2010, 08:08:32 AM »
Those old Military Trucks don't even squat.  They just hunker down and roll on.  :D

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Re: log hauling
« Reply #47 on: January 26, 2010, 08:52:24 AM »
In Arkansas, farm tags are exempt from DOT - that's what I'm saying, the trailer tags with a farm taggted truck. 
http://www.arkleg.state.ar.us/assembly/2009/R/Amendments/SB20-S1.pdf
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« Reply #48 on: January 26, 2010, 01:31:41 PM »
In new hampshire commercial wood operations are not allowed to run ag plates.
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« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2010, 05:32:42 PM »
In Arkansas, farm tags are exempt from DOT - that's what I'm saying, the trailer tags with a farm taggted truck. 
http://www.arkleg.state.ar.us/assembly/2009/R/Amendments/SB20-S1.pdf
You may be exempt from state dot but not federal dot.
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« Reply #50 on: January 26, 2010, 05:55:41 PM »
I didn't say we were exempt from Federal laws - read the post; he's asking about a gooseneck trailer or a truck to haul his logs.  Here in this state, he can run a trailer tag and can pull with a 3/4 ton pickup truck.  If he is hauling Interstate then ICC will come into play - but not with a gooseneck and pickup.  If he uses a 2 ton or so truck, he'll buy a weighted tag, I believe it's called a "B" here, depending on payload.   As for tie downs or "wrappers", that'll depend on the state; Oregon requires 5, Colorado 3, and Arkansas, as best as I can tell, - 2 for a trailer truck (~ 80,000lbs.).  Arkansas Highway Police administers these, as well as being "the weigh boys".
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« Reply #51 on: January 26, 2010, 06:12:51 PM »
If you call and order something from out of state and your truck never even leaves your yard you are conducting interstate commerce and are required by law to comply Including your trucks.
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« Reply #52 on: January 26, 2010, 07:09:26 PM »
Those 6X6's make the ultimate doall trucks. I would love to have one.

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« Reply #53 on: January 26, 2010, 10:22:06 PM »
Ifin ya gots a truck or trailer over 10,000 gvw geta DOT number at least.  yes highway runs give the most exposure to staties or federal, but even local runs can trigger multiple infractions, all costly.  Once you file for DOT number at least the police know you are trying to be legit.  Without the number      UR....... toast, hey you may never get pulled over, but then.......................maybe ya will....  I have had a Dot federal number since 1987,  saved my pore DanG butt more than once.
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Re: log hauling
« Reply #54 on: January 26, 2010, 10:35:32 PM »
Gday

Bugger it farmer if could get away with it id be doin it too  ;) ;D 8) 8) waita second i have  ;) Heres a pic of my Acco with 24' tray its regularly had loads of 20' footers  stacked as high as the front rack which is 6' high  guessing about 13 to14  ton load which aint bad on an 8-9 ton truck with out looking illagal which is about what its got on it on the pics as each of those Ironbark bridge beams are about 30' long n weigh abit over two ton ea  







That reminds me once i got pulled over with about 13 ton on er and the copper asks how much have you got on reply bout 8 ton how much can you carry ? about 8.7 ton we left it at that luckly  ;) :D :D :D :D ;D ;D 8) 8)

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Re: log hauling
« Reply #55 on: January 27, 2010, 07:00:38 AM »
Woodmills,

 My buddy recently saw the light to the tune of $1500. DOT#, log book, fire extinquiser, triangles, med card, and some other stuff, were all missing from his 3/4 ton w/ gooseneck. Cop made him drop the trailer and come back for it 10 hours later as no log book meant he could have been driving over the 14 hour limit (14 hours to drive 10 hour). He was 3 hours from home.

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« Reply #56 on: January 27, 2010, 07:21:39 AM »
I'm glad I live in a farm state, three things on a check - license (CDL or not), weight - CDL only, and liability.  I'm tellin' ya farm products are exempt.  Logs non-commercially hauled are farm products.  Logs commercially hauled are NR (natural resource) tags and do come under DOT - 80,000 Lbs.  I've been stopped numerous times and never ticketed.  Only time close was hauling a Cat 7G without a license (expired tag).  I did have an escourt and got only a warning.  I've hauled logs all over the state with a gooseneck and the weights and measure guys just wave.

All this is pre-9/11, after 9/11 all I've done is hauled a couple load of cattle on a goosenck.  My life completely changed 9/11/2001, not because of the event itself but just a parallel set of circumstances that just so happened to coincide with that disaster..... 
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« Reply #57 on: January 27, 2010, 09:53:57 AM »
I also learned the hard way, though because of already having a DOT number and due to my ability to talk to a rock and have a meaningful conversation I was pretty well spared.

I was doing a final pick up at a job almost out by the coast, on my way home 101 west to 93 south.  had a half a load of junky spruce long and ugly.  Just before my exit I spot a state DOT car with a white van pulled over( I think the van driver was relieving himself and got caught)  they musta been just done with him cause they pulled out behind me and followed me on the ramp, turning their blues on just before the end.

I pull over and the male passenger starts to measure my overhang and the female driver comes up to the truck and says why don't you have your seatbelt on.....I say cause NH doesn't have a seatbelt law.  She says with a 10,000+ pound trailer you fall under federal rules

seatbelt, flares or triangles, medical card, chocks, fire extinguisher, spare fuses, log book

I am looking at 7 tickets ranging from 60 to 120 bucks each.

they ask for a DOT number and I give it.....they check me out on computor and ask me what I haul, is it my wood or others.....I mention I used to be a teacher....the guy says  didn't ya wanna just hit those kids.....I say well maybe yes but ya just can't


and don't you want to hit half of the people you pull over

he says   I CAN.....we start laughing, slappin each other on the back smokin cigaretts  and they give me one ticket for no seat belt....got all the other stuff installed the next day.
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« Reply #58 on: January 28, 2010, 09:06:32 PM »
In Wisconsin it doesn't matter if you are a FARM with farm plates, etc...you still need a DOT registration for any vehicle above 10,000 GVR.  It is free and simple to get but the you have all the other requirements as previously mentioned.

As far as a CDL requirement you do not need one as long as you are under 26,000lbs GVWR with your truck and if you pulling a trailer that needs to be no more than 10,000LBS.  However, if you are loaded to the max it may still be a good idea to have a CDL.   


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