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Offline Woodcutter_Mo

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3 point wood splitters
« on: February 04, 2018, 11:22:03 AM »
 Hello, I was curious about what people think of the wood splitters that mount on the tractors 3ph and run off the aux hydraulics. I've seen a few used ones for sale for pretty reasonable prices.
 My thoughts are it would be one less engine to have to worry about, and my tractor is fairly easy on fuel and could be easily taken deep into the woods anywhere the tractor will go. The main problem would be extra hours on the tractor engine (though they would be easy hours) and the tractor would have to go where the splitter is to be used which isn't a big deal. And I could always convert it to be self powered later on if I wanted.

 What are everyone else's thoughts on them?
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Re: 3 point wood splitters
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2018, 11:45:24 AM »
Good concept, but what are you going to use to move the logs or rounds?
I have a 3-point splitter that is used to split what the Multitek 1610EZ cannot split. about 2%
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Re: 3 point wood splitters
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2018, 11:50:41 AM »
There is a reason they are for sale at reasonable prices.The ones that run off tractor hyd. are slow.Unless you have multiple tractors I would pass.
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Re: 3 point wood splitters
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2018, 11:52:47 AM »
My thoughts: 
Do you have and extra (small hp tractor)  check out tractor data for fuel consumption. 
What is the hyd. capacity.

Or would it be better to put a loader and 3 pt carrier on that tractor and bring the wood to a splitter out of the woods?  and use a regular splitter

If you take tractor, with splitter deep in the woods then u need that truck to load firewood also deep in the woods.

In my case i do use a pto wood processor on an extra tractor that's dedicated to the unit.  I do not need a power unit on the machine. That's extra cost and another engine. 

I see that you have a dodge with a bale unroller?   I am making the assumption that you have some extra machinery available and bet u have a loader.  I bring my firewood to me in log form and process in a central location.   Advantage is that am close to extra equipment and the shop.  Main disadvantage is clean up of wood chip, bark etc.

List your pros and then the cons.
or
flip a coin.  :D

How much firewood
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Re: 3 point wood splitters
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2018, 11:59:38 AM »
running off the tractor hydraulics most likely be slow, unless you have high flow aux hydraulics.

If you get one that runs off a PTO pump you can properly size the pump so they are not slow, but they run @ 540RPM and that usually means the tractor is pretty wound up and won't be easy on fuel.

If you've got enough pto horsepower you could probably gear up the pump to 540 at idle or just off idle but you'd have to build that, it's not something you're gonna buy off the shelf.

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Re: 3 point wood splitters
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2018, 12:28:59 PM »
I agree with "let the machines do the work". My back doesn't like lifting wood blocks off the ground anymore. I still use a custom built 2 way tow able splitter with a 13 hp honda on it. Had it for 30 years and it splits fast and any size nearly. Recently purchased a Bell 1000 processor and love it. Can set one or both leaving my Kioti 7320 free to load. From what I've seem PTO splitters are to slow. Check your flow rates.
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Re: 3 point wood splitters
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2018, 01:35:29 PM »
We use one that runs off a PTO pump.  Tractor is left at idle and pump is oversized.  Can't say that is "right", and it's still not a speed demon, but it's as much as dad and I want to handle with my 8 year old running the lever. 

Ours the beam lays on the ground, so we spit a couple smaller ones the right size to make a ramp to roll the real big ones up. 

Best advice is to get one where the block moves and the wedge is stationary.  With enough travel, you can push a partial split on through with the next stroke.  When the wedge travels and a stick sticks, it can damage the cylinder.

Verticals are nice, but will (most) always have the wedge on the cylinder. 

Ours has a lot of power, but still occasionally will stick a piece on the wedge.  Having a chain hook welded on the block to pull a stuck piece is worth GOLD.  No amount of beating with a sledge will pop it loose.  I've tried.   ;)

I keep thinking about one of the screw splitters mounted to the arm of the backhoe though.   :)
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Re: 3 point wood splitters
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2018, 01:58:50 PM »
I will give my 2 cents . First if you don't have high pressure hydraulic system you will not be able to split as much as a stand alone with a 2 stage pump [3000 PSI] . Second with a PTO driven pump at low engine speed will you have enough HP at 1000 RPM to peg the output PSI without stalling the tractor . You can get a larger cylinder to make up for the lower PSI . Good luck with your quest .
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Re: 3 point wood splitters
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2018, 02:33:25 PM »
My dad bought a used 3 pt that ran off hydraulics and it was very slow. He sold it within a few months.  I bought a commercial grade 3 pt with a pto driven 20 gpm pump and love it.   It can split anything I throw at it at about 1200-1400 rpm which is know where near the rpm you need to turn 540 and much easier on fuel.  I didn't realize how slow the 2 stage smaller pumps on gas splitters are since I split a lot of ugly wood until I got this big single stage pump. 


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Re: 3 point wood splitters
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2018, 03:16:56 PM »
I have one of those vertical,horizontal splitters. That critter gets used alot. I split the wood,than throw it in the bucket. Just saying. I have no idea what you have for trailers to put wood into. I have a 3 point winch to get my wood to the splitter.
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Re: 3 point wood splitters
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2018, 03:38:12 PM »
I had a KELLEY 24 / 3 point splitter (runs off tractor hydraulics) - welded a platform for the wood to fall on, after the split, so I can split it again if needed (rather than picking it back up off the ground.  Ran that thing for 15 plus years - the advantage - I could lower it to the ground for those big boys.  Sold it a couple weeks ago ...... now I'm ordering a "SPLIT-FIRE" splitter, with "skid steer universal quick attach", to use on my front loader.  I like being able to hook up to a trailer, like mentioned above - and the Split-Fire splits on forward and return strokes, and I can lay it directly into a pile of wood, or laps.  Split-Fire has models for 3-point too.

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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2018, 03:56:09 PM »
I got one, slow but way better than an axe.

I think I payed $400 second hand.

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Re: 3 point wood splitters
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2018, 04:20:55 PM »
Lot's of good replies here.Everyone's needs are a little different.I'm on splitter #3 and hopefully the last one I buy.

I just got back from a snowshoe through the bush looking at what I'll be cutting tomorrow.Next years wood is drying,cutting for 2018 now.I'm poor but rich in the ways that matter most.

Good luck with the splitter.
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Re: 3 point wood splitters
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2018, 05:27:10 PM »
 Thanks for the great replys so far. The tractor is a Kioti 45hp diesel. I'm not sure on the flow rate on the rear aux hydraulics, I will have to get the manual out and take a look. The tractor has a FEL and currently do use it to bring firewood out of the woods where I can't get the truck. This is the only running tractor we have right now.
 The splitter would be mainly be for personal use for wood that doesn't want to split easily with the maul. I throw that stuff in a separate pile  ;D



 
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- Husqvarna 372XP X-Torque/24" bar, 455 Rancher X-Torque/20" bar, 550XP/20" bar, Stihl 024AV/18" Oregon speedcut
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Re: 3 point wood splitters
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2018, 08:51:02 PM »
Mine on my 8n works great. Its not slow. Any faster and I couldn't keep up.
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Re: 3 point wood splitters
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2018, 09:15:48 AM »
Mine on my 8n works great. Its not slow. Any faster and I couldn't keep up.

 I assume yours being on an 8n that it is PTO driven?
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Re: 3 point wood splitters
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2018, 01:30:56 PM »
Mine on my 8n works great. Its not slow. Any faster and I couldn't keep up.

 I assume yours being on an 8n that it is PTO driven?
no sir. Front mount pump
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Re: 3 point wood splitters
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2018, 08:37:25 AM »
I use a horizontal three point splitter on a 45 hp kioti, I bump the throttle up a bit over idle and it is reasonably fast and has alot of power. For real big wood I simply lower the splitter to the ground split into manageable pieces then raise it back up where it is easier on the back and continue. Works good for me.

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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2018, 09:12:36 AM »
Good info, I generally keep the idle at 1100-1200+ anytime its parked and the hydraulics are being used such as the loader being raised or 3 point raised with weight on it so that should work good for me. What model is your Kioti? Mine is a '04 DK45 with the 12 speed shuttle transmission, has been a good tractor overall.
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- Husqvarna 372XP X-Torque/24" bar, 455 Rancher X-Torque/20" bar, 550XP/20" bar, Stihl 024AV/18" Oregon speedcut
- Kioti DK45, '92 Dodge Cummins with Cannonball  bed, '07 Honda Rancher

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Re: 3 point wood splitters
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2018, 02:54:42 PM »
 I ran a home built splitter on a 3010 JD for years just used the tractors hyds. It had a 5 inch cylinder and would keep two people busy. I googled your Kioti and it shows it has a 16.8 GPM pump which shouldn't be to bad for speed and it is nice to drop it to the ground for the big ones.


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