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« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2018, 09:35:36 PM »
Now cream of wheat on the other hand... Blehk.  
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« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2018, 11:27:17 AM »
"I look at every chainsaw having it's own mechanical soul, how it's cared for and treated by its end user determines what quality of life it will have.
I myself cringe when I see some idiot start up a cold saw and hold it wide open throttle to warm it up,  then blipping the throttle in a victory statement kind of way. I wouldn't let that person touch my dog." (quote)..
Ha - I was reminded about this bit when I in my boredom last night came across a short YouTube video entitled "Husqvarna 560xp verses Stihl 261c-m"  by some dealership (I believe) called Forest and Garden.
I had to laugh at the fan boy images and sheer stupidity of it in it's short entirety - wherein a guy dressed up like 'Mr. Husqvarna Woodworker' in brand new togs, proceeds to get both models inanely finally up and running and then revs the living snot out of both for seemingly minutes on end, while routinely showcasing side by side and from all perspectives - views of both, in addition to what he finds obviously lacking in the Stihl version from the snide looks of derision and chuckles when he believes he finds less than stellar traits of the 261 in comparison to the Husky version...
Not only is the obvious partisanship of one make over the other of both of these great saws apparent - which is fine, but the obvious childish attitude in doing so makes one wonder why anyone would buy from such a loser business that would post such a video - and one that demonstrates such disregard for a brand new saw (of either brand) that would probably later be sold to some unsuspecting consumer after all of the videos are done with..
As a business, if you wish to try and display your obvious threatened attitude of another brand or model in comparison to one you prefer - or just wish to showcase out and out 'utter stupidity and lack of mechanical regard' for new equipment - such short pieces recorded for history for the World to view, seems like the perfect media and way to do it..
I personally like, and have some Husqvarna equipment myself, but recently bought a 261 because I liked what I saw, felt, and had much past history with - but I wouldn't buy Husqvarna, Stihl, or any other brand of equipment based on the short video I watched from this dealership, I can assure you!
I personally just also sort of believe as Willard does - "that each piece of equipment has it's own soul" as well, and guess I just can't tolerate what I view as such ignorance when I view it..  

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« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2018, 03:15:15 PM »
         I just saw that clip as well.  Running & revving both saws wide open no load for no apparent reason.   What a freaking fool.  People of that caliber shouldn't even be allowed to touch fine equipment much less operate one.  I couldn't even watch it all. smiley_thumbsdown

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« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2018, 07:38:36 PM »
well put me in the what freaking fool jail cause that's what i do and did the same thing with a snowmobile motor after a rebuild  put it on a stand let idle for about 30 seconds  then hammer down  it got new rings every 2 races and new piston and rings every 4 races never had one come apart so call me and others what you want  :)

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« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2018, 08:27:14 PM »
You wouldnt like living in a society where you arent allowed to treat your own stuff like... Your own stuff.  


If i want to buy a saw and light it on fire, i will. 
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« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2018, 10:30:08 PM »
well put me in the what freaking fool jail cause that's what i do and did the same thing with a snowmobile motor after a rebuild  put it on a stand let idle for about 30 seconds  then hammer down  it got new rings every 2 races and new piston and rings every 4 races never had one come apart so call me and others what you want  :)
Not putting you anywhere or calling you anything - but I had a couple of friends that raced factory sponsored very high end oval track snowmobiles for Bombardier based here in Northern ON, who regularly competed in the Ontario, Quebec, and Canadian Championships and won a lot and did very well - but I never heard or saw them do any of this to their engines.. ever!  Way too much $$'s and time involved!
Dangerous occupation certainly with all of those deadly studs and super sharp runners on crowded tracks at close to 100 mph on very short straightaways and I was tasked often to try and get decent sponsorship photos of them during races without getting myself killed doing so..!
I also know they very seldom ever replaced rings or pistons but if it was ever needed break-in procedures were done under increasingly moderate conditions on open track days with increasing loads (speeds) to seat any parts to the jugs as needed.
I'm not doubting your story - but is it possible that the reason you had your engines apart so often was because said break-in procedures weren't the best and that it may have contributed to your need to constantly be putting fresh bits in?
To say you never had an engine come apart - when by your own admission they  always were, is confusing to say the least - but high rpms with no load on any engine seldom ever results in anything productive occurring - and usually the opposite in fact happening!
Would you buy a brand new truck or most any type of powered equipment, take it out of the dealership and with no break-in efforts put it in a Neutral situation and immediately flog it at full throttle for 5 or 10 minutes to try and get 'Brand Peace of Mind'?
Maybe your answer is YES - but I'll bet you dealership's warranty manager would surely cringe and possibly pull your warranty if he saw it happen!    

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« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2018, 11:38:25 PM »
 smiley_gossip  is it time for separate corners?
I am a true TREE HUGGER, if I didnt I would fall out!  chet the arborist

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« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2018, 11:41:36 PM »
smiley_gossip  is it time for separate corners?
I don't think so. Looks to me everything is said and done,
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« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2018, 08:00:24 AM »
Rings do not wear in to a total seal by static tension alone.  They need sufficient cylinder pressure to force the ring face out of the groove and into the hone crosshatch before the crosshatch wears away.  It does not last long.  If you havent gotten all the high spots "filed" off the ring before youve lost the hone, then your compression and leakdown numbers will suffer.  Oil consumption and blowby also increases.  a race team that isnt changing wear parts very often runs counter to my experiences as an engine builder.


When one airs their opinions, they must be willing to accept the responses it provokes.  If you dont like the responses then maybe keep your thoughts to yourself.  

Looks like your ivory tower comment to me got deleted so ill drop it.
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« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2018, 10:11:28 PM »
When one airs their opinions, they must be willing to accept the responses it provokes.  If you dont like the responses then maybe keep your thoughts to yourself.  

Looks like your ivory tower comment to me got deleted so ill drop it.




Funny how the posts turned from cracking a chainsaw WOT to responses with a full race snowmobile breaking in the rings .

apples and oranges...... ::)
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« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2018, 10:51:11 PM »
Yea - but lastly I just need to know if I have a 'full race snowmobile' and want to burn it to the ground.. will it be deemed as acceptable or considered 'my right' to do so?   :) ;D

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« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2018, 11:17:34 PM »
Its your stuff, do as you wish.  
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« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2018, 04:58:16 PM »
Just call me the midget doctor.
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