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"Forest industry fearful as farmers sell immature logs" NZ
« on: March 12, 2018, 06:35:50 PM »
Forest industry fearful as farmers sell immature logs | Stuff.co.nz

Are Foresters and Loggers seeing similar tendencies here in the States or Canada?

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Re: "Forest industry fearful as farmers sell immature logs" NZ
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2018, 07:23:54 PM »
We see it here all the time farmers need educated and the loggers do also. If we don't change are ways here in western Ohio there won't be a future for the next generation of loggers. 
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Re: "Forest industry fearful as farmers sell immature logs" NZ
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2018, 08:33:54 PM »
The answer is simple. Have the mills buy the stumpage now and cut it in ten years. If the mills are not willing to tie up their own money why do they expect the farmer landowners to?

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Re: "Forest industry fearful as farmers sell immature logs" NZ
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2018, 08:43:22 PM »
cannot speak for Canada, but down here the mills have reduced log size brought in, not looking to long term growth.  Result are plantation grown small stems.  Big logs still have a market, but not many
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Re: "Forest industry fearful as farmers sell immature logs" NZ
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2018, 12:41:05 AM »
The attitude in that article about changing the laws to prevent someone from selling their timber when they choose to do so is EXACTLY why guys are liquidating now, both there and here. Over regulation always backfires. Let the market sort it out. 

We see the same thing here, toothpick timber being clear cut. More power to them I say, it only makes my large timber more valuable as there is less and less of it around.

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Re: "Forest industry fearful as farmers sell immature logs" NZ
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2018, 12:07:59 PM »
cannot speak for Canada, but down here the mills have reduced log size brought in, not looking to long term growth.  Result are plantation grown small stems.  Big logs still have a market, but not many
Between strong pulpwood prices and not much of a premium for saw timber, plant 'em thick and cut 'em quick may be the new normal around here. Timber companies have managed their own land that way for quite some time.

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Re: "Forest industry fearful as farmers sell immature logs" NZ
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2018, 07:05:52 AM »
After reading article, its the export market, India, China and some mideast countries buying up the timber.

If NZ was smart it would raise a Tariff or Tax on exported raw material to be paid by the exporter.
All countries should look to maintain and control the health of renewable resources.
Use the tax to control the health of the resource.
Foreign countries don't care if you strip your land bare as long as they can profit in the process.

Its always foolish to sell just the raw mat'l, better to add value then sell.

It comes down to whats more important, maintaining the health of a nations renewable resources or the profits of an individual.





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Re: "Forest industry fearful as farmers sell immature logs" NZ
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2018, 07:13:34 AM »
Just for a reference I did some quick work.

The amount of forest in NZ is approx the same size as the state of Maine.
31,000 sq. miles.

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Re: "Forest industry fearful as farmers sell immature logs" NZ
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2018, 07:49:00 AM »
I say let the free market work.  Private landowners should not be regulated by what the environmentalists and the Do-Gooder's want.  If the environmentalists and the Do-Gooder's want to have older growth timber, let them buy their own land and grow them some.  ,In the meantime, leave me alone. 
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Re: "Forest industry fearful as farmers sell immature logs" NZ
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2018, 08:48:38 PM »
   I read a book by a German Forester hired by Vanderbilt as one of the first foresters here in the USA. He made a very good point about the issue. A large part is the landowner wants/needs to see a return on his investment in his lifetime, not in that of his grandchildren's. A benevolent attitude will only take you so far especially with the bill collectors and tax man. I let a lot of my trees grow because the hunting is a big part of my recreation and my family is already raised and our bills paid. I got a card from a timber/logging company yesterday. If it was 35-40 years ago and I were struggling I might very well be willing to let them come cut but I don't have to now.

  I worked in some very poor areas in Africa and vacationed in more affluent areas. People were upset when the locals would kill and eat or sell the wildlife for bushmeat. It is easy to say "That gorilla or giraffe is worth X amount of money in increased future tourism vs a small percentage now. Some places like South Africa and Kenya and such have recognized that and have gotten the support of the community in protecting the wildlife because they get immediate benefits. Most parts of Africa are not that far advanced in this area. I always said it was like telling a drowning man "You'll be able to stand up and walk out when the tide goes out." and his reply will be "Yeah, but I'm drowning now."
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