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Re: Mahogany
« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2018, 03:43:14 PM »
Great pictures.  In Thailand we saw a lot of jackfruit trees cut for lumber as well as for the fruit.  Is jackfruit popular as a food there?  One of my favorites but I could never get used to Durian.
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Re: Mahogany
« Reply #41 on: April 23, 2018, 01:07:04 AM »
Jackfruit is getting more popular as a food here, very appreciated among certain groups. Other relatives and selected clones have been introduced from S.E. Asia. I am still learning what to do with them, but I have had some good ones, and they are a huge fruit. The trees planted in the timber are selected for form; I have not eaten any of their fruit. I also have not yet cut any of the wood, although I imagine it is close to breadfruit. I have had two durian in my life, one was nasty garlic toe, the other was creme brle. The different people who introduced me were crazy about each. I would not eat the first again, but planted the seeds of the second.
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Re: Mahogany
« Reply #42 on: April 23, 2018, 01:14:49 AM »
Also, you may want to talk to the state forester based in Hilo. J. B. Friday - jbfriday@hawaii.edu. He is one of the better contacts in hawaiian forestry and might be able to turn you on to some good information and people.
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Re: Mahogany
« Reply #43 on: April 23, 2018, 01:25:23 AM »
Couple more pictures. BTW right on for the fabrication thread and the FF in general. You guys are awesome.

 

 

 

 

     
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Re: Mahogany
« Reply #44 on: April 23, 2018, 09:27:45 AM »
Youve got a lotta iron by hawaii standards!
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Re: Mahogany
« Reply #45 on: April 23, 2018, 10:03:31 AM »
Ahh, have more info now.  So 6.2" avg dbh and nearly 50' tall.  Real Mahogany- seed from Honduras.  Planted in stages, not all at the same time.  Nearly 90k trees.  Kanoak :  do you know Forest Solutions from Hawaii?
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Re: Mahogany
« Reply #46 on: April 23, 2018, 11:16:06 AM »
just 6.2" dbh? How old?
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Re: Mahogany
« Reply #47 on: April 23, 2018, 01:36:39 PM »
I do know of Forest Solutions, been a couple of years, but the guys I talked to were cool. They had (probably still have) some of the bigger private forestry and land management contracts. 
That mahogany planting needed a thinning at least 10 years ago. 6.2"? Stuff that size I poison and leave to decompose standing; way less damage to the surrounding + trees, and by the time you pay someone to chop it down you are in the red. Just dont go walking when the wind blows. I guess if it grew that slow it might have some red. Edge trees next to the highway look a little bigger, but that is to be expected. Did not know they had planted that many, but they are thick.
Actually, Mike, we are featherweights around here. There is booming construction/excavation/military and when stuff wears out or is dumped we can sometimes afford a new project. 
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Re: Mahogany
« Reply #48 on: April 23, 2018, 07:35:42 PM »
Nice.  

What are you mainly doing with all the diggers?  Residential clearings?

I used to shape surfboards near some kane fields in nanakuli (little south of makaha) and dont know if i ever even saw a tractor.  Didnt pay much attention in those days.
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Re: Mahogany
« Reply #49 on: April 23, 2018, 09:23:37 PM »
just 6.2" dbh? How old?
This plantation is only 9-12 years old I think.  Average at .12 cubic meters per tree but boy, that is small wood.  The DBH variation is huge.  Probably due to planting over time.  412 trees per acre right now.  
I'll know more Friday.  

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« Reply #50 on: April 24, 2018, 12:46:30 AM »
Not sure but it could be a different planting than I am thinking about; sounds too young for my memory. You need 10 more years to get something stable in my experience. I just cut a cull 1' and thought it was crap compared to some of the toon which has been unstable under 2' but much superior in color and stability.
Mike - Diggers make road for access and fence primaraly and also . Feral hogs are a huge problem here, you wouldnt believe the damage to crop they cause without talking about the other problems. Best thing is to eat them but we have too much area to take care of that way. I wish I had access to harvester/processors; I can do things with my excavator thumb that might make your eyes pop. It has to do it all; just got a fecon for the larger one to do some pruning.
Longtime - Awesome to see the Eucies in their native home. My house is partly robusta. Dad got it off the mill and set it up green. There is a huge amount on the island; one of the most commonly planted species for windbreaks and for timber. Many are over-mature. Beautiful wood, moves like !^%$. I grow E. microcorys, E. pellita, E deglupta, and L. confertum. Microcorys is a winner in my book. Our pellita came from over-selected plantation seeds and grows too fast for its own good. Beautiful wood; Had a few small pieces explode on the bandsaw. If you ever find seeds of some winners you harvest I would be quite interested.
Teakwood - we grow some teak, however it does not grow above 1000' elevation (58-90F) well in our climate. I think our trees are growing quite a bit slower than yours; subtropical and all; seed source has a huge impact on color and form in my experience. Mahogany relatives mostly winners for us as, african species are a mixed bag, well as a couple of eucalyptus. 
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Re: Mahogany
« Reply #51 on: April 24, 2018, 08:19:13 AM »
This plantation is only 9-12 years old I think.  Average at .12 cubic meters per tree but boy, that is small wood


That's pretty good for such young mahogany.  My teak thinning this year was 0.165 m3/tree but it's teak, it grows alot faster than mahogany. Remember that's just for the thinned trees, the stand should be around 0.3m3
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Re: Mahogany
« Reply #52 on: April 24, 2018, 01:33:19 PM »
I spooked a huge boar on a cliffside mountainbike trail about 6 miles into the jungle by myself, maybe 2000 or 01.  I dont think id have been any more scared if it was a grizzly. 


Does big island have the mongoose and rat problems of oahu?  What about snakes?
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Re: Mahogany
« Reply #53 on: April 24, 2018, 10:07:52 PM »
That will get you going, bet the boar was as scared as you though. I spent a few years on Oahu about the same time. Left part of my heart over there in the mountains. 
Ya, we have rats and mongoose; just lost a sitting hen and full clutch + a bunch of chicks. They dont normally bother full sized chickens. I think they do help keep snakes out though, none established so far as I know.



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« Reply #54 on: April 24, 2018, 10:29:24 PM »
It went up the side of the hill flinging red dirt like a motocross roost.  Was on the trail from pali hwy to waimanalo.
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Re: Mahogany
« Reply #55 on: May 12, 2018, 10:06:34 PM »
More talks today this week.  Kanoak: are there folks on the island that actually know how to mark a selective thinning?  If we're going to go for diameter and form than we need nice clean trees, right distance, easily felled, etc.  They've got a 3 person farm team that they would have do the thinning.
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« Reply #56 on: May 12, 2018, 11:09:23 PM »
Hopefully hes doing okay.  Theyve got a volcano doing a lot of damage over there right now
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