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Sweetgum in CT
« on: April 19, 2018, 05:06:49 PM »
This was a new one for me.  Sawmill I saw for received about 6000 bf of sweetgum logs from a property in Darien, CT.  Sawed one of them for the property owner to look at.  He liked it and wants it all sawn for flooring.
The logs are remarkably straight and regular, mostly 13 ft long and 16-26" in diameter.  

This week I sawed them most of a day, about 5-1/2 hr sawed 2350 board feet with two new turbo 7 blades.  I thought poplar sawed nice. This wood was a dream to saw.  Except for apparent stress, had to flip each cant probably 4-6 times to avoid uneven thicknesses.  All 1-1/8" and 15-18" wide.  



Will do the rest of the batch when I return week after next.  

I LOVES SWEETGUM.  smiley_bounce smiley_hollywood_cool
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Re: Sweetgum in CT
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2018, 05:22:15 PM »
That is sweet indeed.   

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Re: Sweetgum in CT
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2018, 05:43:40 PM »
   I did not know it grew that far north. The only ones I have seen here were planted and not native. I thought it is supposed to me hard to dry it straight and you mention the stress. They do grow tall and straight. They are very hard to split for firewood. It will be interesting to see how it dries. Good luck. 
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Re: Sweetgum in CT
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2018, 07:10:41 PM »
I seriously doubt that your customer will be very pleased with it when it goes through the drying cycle.  :-X
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Re: Sweetgum in CT
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2018, 07:25:07 PM »
Sweet Gum is a very good species to saw. It saws like Poplar to me.
Pretty grain, and a very good wood to use for siding......it is hard as a rock when it dries.

......but it will turn on you like a rabid animal.
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Re: Sweetgum in CT
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2018, 07:25:45 PM »
Remove please. Thanks

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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2018, 07:36:59 PM »
First grits invade the Northern States. Now it's sweet gum. What's next? More cracker barrel restaurants?
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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2018, 07:38:27 PM »
Hope that's not what the loggers call Pepperidge. I sawed it once and it spiral checks bad.

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Re: Sweetgum in CT
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2018, 07:49:50 PM »
Sweetgum?  Flooring?  Hope that dude likes to walk on the tilt :)

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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2018, 07:57:47 PM »
Sweetgum?  Flooring?  Hope that dude likes to walk on the tilt :).
He'll hurt his ankle.  ;D
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Re: Sweetgum in CT
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2018, 10:10:58 PM »
It sure is pretty when its sawn.  Mine has dried ok, but not great.  Maybe you could get flooring out of it if you saw it thick and then do a lot of work and make a lot of sawdust to get straight boards.
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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2018, 11:00:17 PM »
Asking the guys with a lot more knowledge than me on this.  It is possible that gum behaves differently the further south you go?  I ask because I have not had a lot of the issues with gum that I hear so much about.  Stress in the log - yes, but at least air drying it has not done badly at all.  I have even considered using some in a floor now that I have the kiln and moulder.  I sort of put it into the same category as sycamore - everybody loves to hate the stuff, but I like it.  
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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2018, 06:36:24 AM »
I have dried a lot of sweet gum. At the end of it's drying cycle is when it really misbehaves. Coming out of the dry kiln it will look like fried bacon. Saw it oversize, dry it totally, let it acclimate to final site, toss out the "walkers" ( some will crawl out of the house on their own ), and maintain a consistent humidity. The it will probably be OK for a floor. I recommend my customers use it for paneling, not flooring. But, hey, you might get lucky,
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Re: Sweetgum in CT
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2018, 07:08:12 AM »
I seriously doubt that your customer will be very pleased with it when it goes through the drying cycle.

It will be my customer's customer.  Hey, I saws um and .........

I will relay all of your comments to him (my customer the sawmill owner), and  speak with him about going to 1-1/4" for the rest of it. I am squaring up the logs and sawing the cants through and through, with the idea that the final customer will saw out the flooring however he wants to from the boards.

Should we consider sawing it differently, avoiding the pith for example?

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Re: Sweetgum in CT
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2018, 07:12:23 AM »
It behaves best when quartersawn. The first flat sawn boards off the cant usually warp too much to use except for firewood, if they are narrow.  I would slab a bit heavy to avoid narrow jacket boards as they usually become propellers. 
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Re: Sweetgum in CT
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2018, 07:34:01 AM »
Hi Team,

Is this species really so bad that typical steps of seal ends (anchorseal), cut a little thicker, and smash a ton of weight on top when it dries wouldnt work?

Or is this simply because it will be kiln dried that the warp and chaos begins?  I only air dry and have yet to meet my match when using the three steps above.

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Re: Sweetgum in CT
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2018, 07:36:02 AM »
I actually love to saw Sweetgum and sawed some this week.  It saws easily like Tulip Poplar and large logs have some very nice color in the heartwood. 

That being said, I always warn the customer that he can expect the possibility of it to twist and curl as it dries.
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« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2018, 07:45:05 AM »
Yes I had never seen it before, it looked very much like hickory to us.  

Another thing we noticed is that all the knots (there were only a few in the logs we sawed),  were pretty much black or rotten.
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« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2018, 09:05:24 AM »
X2 on what WDH says. Quarter saw sweetgum. Sawn through and through will get you a few boards that will sorta behave. The amount of twist/warp will vary from tree to tree. Sapwood will definitely mis-behave.
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Re: Sweetgum in CT
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2018, 09:48:02 AM »
I used some fresh sawn sweet gum 1 x 4's to nail on barn rafters to attach 5 V metal roofing.  On the unsupported overhangs a few of them bent/warped.  As mentioned in other post, almost all of sweet gum that I stickered/stacked did not turn out well after drying.  If I can't go ahead and nail it down in rough construction, I don't mill it, unless a customer insists. 


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