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Aggravations of a portable sawyer
« on: April 23, 2018, 06:41:48 PM »
     Two calls I got today that are all too common and exemplify exactly what I'm talking about.
     First guy called and asked if he and his dad could come watch me work 'cuz they're thinking about getting a hobby mill.  Sure, no problem.  Where are you?  Just outside Dallas. 
     Planning a road trip?  I'm in Jacksonville, Fl.  Huh?  NO!
     First line on my website states I'm in Jacksonville, Fl.  Ya got to get past that to get to my phone number.  I get a couple of calls a week from Texas.
     Next guy calls from a town about 120 miles away.  Says "I'm cutting down 10 pine trees.  How much to get them sawed into lumber?"
     I need a lot more info to even try to give you a W.A.G.
     You won't even give me an estimate?  Nevermind.  And the guy hung up on me like I was an idiot.
     This happens once or twice a week.  I'm gonna start telling them $1,000 per tree, if you want an estimate without more info.  That's after they're cut down and bucked to length.  At least, until I get my crystal ball back up and running.   
     Okay, rant over. ::)
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Re: Aggravations of a portable sawyer
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2018, 07:45:21 PM »
Something to be said for having a number of repeat business customers.
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Re: Aggravations of a portable sawyer
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2018, 08:07:29 PM »
People don't read....

Most folks think it costs X to saw up a log, any log no matter the size.  They think you should be able to multiply X times the number of logs to give them a price.  Sort of like buying lumber at the big box store.

I usually try to engage in a little conversation about the job, once they talk a little while I usually can get them to text a photo of the logs.  If they are wiling to send a text, they usually are willing to send some measurements.  Then I give them my rate, plus setup and blades.

I get a call or a text every few days similar to "How much to saw a maple log 28" in diameter and 10' long?"  I give them the board foot price, plus travel/setup cost and cost of blades if I hit metal."  If I get a reply it is either "when can you some?" Or "Oh that much?"

I had a job I went to look at, scaled the logs and gave an estimate.  The guy looked at me and did a mental calculation.  He said, " That's over $70 an hour."  I told him to hire anyone else that would do it for less.  He called back when I got home and scheduled me to saw.  They don't "get it" that they are hiring both a skilled operator AND a piece of heavy equipment. 

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Re: Aggravations of a portable sawyer
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2018, 08:08:51 PM »
"Slab Kickers".
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Re: Aggravations of a portable sawyer
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2018, 08:16:09 PM »
I like the calls I get about cutting down 8 or 10 big pine tree's. 
I can have them for free if I cut them out of the power lines and hall or chip the brush away.
Oh Don t forget grind the stumps too.
3 or 4 of them a month. 
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Re: Aggravations of a portable sawyer
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2018, 08:18:08 PM »
Yeah, it's against company policy for me to cut trees down......
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Re: Aggravations of a portable sawyer
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2018, 08:24:44 PM »
Or, the customer who rolls up at dusk on Friday with 6, 18" SYP logs, 9 feet long, on a single axle lawn mower trailer.  He needs 24 pieces of 4"x 4" timbers 12 feet long.  He will pay extra if you can do it now!    Pause, and think before you answer.   Regards, Clark 

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Re: Aggravations of a portable sawyer
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2018, 08:26:36 PM »
Bruno,

  You're doing good. They only offer me half the wood but still expect all the other things you listed.

Ted,

  I really like that response about company policy on cutting trees. On rates - yeah it is renting/hiring a big piece of equipment with operator. Anybody rented a backhoe with operator lately?
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2018, 08:32:36 PM »
My insurance agent advised me to set some "company policies" on things like doing tree service work, hauling logs, logging operations etc.  I'm insured as a portable sawmill operation. 

I don't get many questions when I say company policy won't allow me to do something.  
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Re: Aggravations of a portable sawyer
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2018, 08:46:54 PM »
Ted,

   Same here. I have good liability sawmill insurance but am not an arborist or insured to cut trees. When the trees are down and cut into logs bring them to me or I will come saw them on site if more economical and justified.
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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2018, 09:17:45 PM »
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When you find someone that can recalibrate your crystal ball please send me information as mine has needed recalibration for close to 70 years.
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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2018, 09:39:23 PM »
That and a lot of other junk is why I got out of it. Don't get me wrong, When I started back in 1987. Customers knew what they wanted. Today it's more difficult. Most customers have zero commences Or want you to work like a fool.

I do wish all of you portable sawyers the best of luck and learn to say no to working like a fool, You'll be happier in the long run. And when a customer tells his friends to call you, They will know what to expect.  ;D
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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2018, 09:44:08 PM »
I give a good deal to nearby neighbors that live in this mostly off grid subdivision, no travel or setup fees.  

And no!  I will not except 420!  It was a 38" butt end tree length Pondarosa pine and all he had to offer me to slice it into 1x12 was 420. 
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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2018, 11:06:39 PM »
Got a text the other day and the guy asked "How many boards do I need to buy for a 12' x 9' shed?"  Nothing else..... I had to wait to reply or else it may have come across wrong.  
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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2018, 12:08:19 AM »
"I want some of your boards that you throw away. Like free ones." I show him the slab pile and rejects pile and he says "No, they gotta be nicer than that. Im building a fence" Thats when I try real hard to break wind......
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Re: Aggravations of a portable sawyer
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2018, 05:36:42 AM »
I've had all these issues and more, one that occurs on EVERY job and always makes me laugh is the log count. I mean how hard is it to count to 10. Or 14. Or 26?? I hear on the phone from the client "I have about 10 logs. About?  You can't count to 10 ? 
I stopped the other day to look at this Saturdays job because I was in the area. Client stated he had 30 logs , so I spent all of 5 or 6 seconds and counted , 26. 
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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2018, 06:31:24 AM »
The phone calls that begin....

I have these beautiful oaks, straight for must be 50 feet, was thinking it would be such a shame for it to just be cut up into firewood...

and end.....

"You're doing the right thing calling sawmills, but in my case I'm a portable sawmill service.  I don't buy logs, sell lumber, cut down trees, saw on shares, or make wooden wedding cakes. "
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Re: Aggravations of a portable sawyer
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2018, 08:31:38 AM »
"They are 16" logs.......Oh you want me to measure across"?  ::)

There is a difference between diameter and circumference.   :P

On the phone she said that she wanted me to saw her logs into 2X12's.  She drove up and the tailgate on her truck was closed and there was nothing showing above the sides.   :o 
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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2018, 11:52:43 AM »
Got a text the other day and the guy asked "How many boards do I need to buy for a 12' x 9' shed?"  Nothing else..... I had to wait to reply or else it may have come across wrong.  
LOL.... I would have replied "all of them and you should hurry before the price increases due to metal tariffs."
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« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2018, 12:13:51 PM »
I don't get many of the type of calls identified in this thread.   I have lots of details on my web page to help them get answers including how to determine approximate cost before they call me.    I also have in bold red font that I do not cut down trees. 

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I do get the question about 12" wide boards from 10" logs though.   :D    That's when I explain how to do glue ups in the wood shop.   ;D
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