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Cookie question ?
« on: May 29, 2018, 10:44:11 PM »
Had a gal stop in and wanted me to cut her some cookies , and i have never did this , how do you keep them from splitting ? Whats the best wood for this? are there tricks to keeping the bark on? looked at the pentacryl online but its not going to get here and cure before she needs them. should i just tell her to keep them wet until she uses them ? this is all new to me.
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Re: Cookie question ?
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2018, 11:25:19 PM »
Does she want them for an event or just to have?  If it's for an event the advice is usually to cut them as close to the event as possible to reduce splitting.  Wood that is awful to split with a maul is the best stuff for cookies.  @WDH and @YellowHammer have a fair bit of experience with cookies and hopefully can chime in.  
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Re: Cookie question ?
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2018, 07:22:26 AM »
Without expensive treatment like pentacryl, they almost all crack to some extent.  Some species are worse than others.  Oak and cherry are particularly prone to splitting.  Walnut does pretty good.  I have had pretty good results with sweetgum because of the spiral grain.  Eastern red cedar is one species that seems to do best. 

The only way to keep the bark on is to cut the cookies when the tree is dormant, i.e. not actively growing in the winter.  Otherwise, the bark is very likely to come off.  I have had my best results when I stickered the cookies like boards which creates more even drying and keeps the humidity up between the layers.  Cover the top layer in the stack with some nurse boards.  And then, keep your fingers crossed. 
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Re: Cookie question ?
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2018, 07:26:33 AM »
The last cookies I cut, I packed in sawdust. Kept them for two months ( July & Aug). Then took them out, none cracked or split. Put them back in the sawdust and gave them to the customer. They were at a wedding a week later.

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Re: Cookie question ?
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2018, 07:38:46 AM »
Just had a very helpful thread on cookies in the Drying and Processing section.  
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Re: Cookie question ?
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2018, 08:36:57 AM »
Joed.  What was the species of the cookies and size.  Did you do a follow up to see if they still haven't cracked?
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Re: Cookie question ?
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2018, 09:02:24 AM »
You basically have two strategies, cut them early and try to preserve them to last forever at additional effort and expense, or cut them just before the ceremony date and consider them as a time sensitive perishable product.  I prefer the second in most cases as they may only be used once, for a couple hours, and thrown away.  

As others have said, and other threads indicate, some species are good some are not.  There are good ways to up the odds of success.

My usual strategy is to ask the cusotmer to come over, pick out the logs they like, cut a sample with a chainsaw, come to an agreement on quantity and length, and explain the perishability issue and that you will have them ready for the event a couple days prior.   Then set up an appointment for when they are to pick them up. No different than a bakery with a wedding cake or a florist with the flowers.  This method keeps the stress off both parties.  

Cut them as per the plan, and don't screw the order up.    
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Re: Cookie question ?
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2018, 09:32:59 AM »
Thanks to everyone, i have gum , i will experiment , i found the thread that was mentioned and all this is very helpful. must be a little market for this stuff, because word of mouth done sent someone else here,lol. big thanks guys.
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Re: Cookie question ?
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2018, 09:55:12 AM »
There is a good market for cookies, and we sell a great many during wedding season, and starting the fall holidays for decorations.  Contact wedding venues, coordinators, photographers, planners, etc and give them a few to show around.  Put a few pictures on your webpage, Facebook and Instagram pages.  

I don't cut them anymore on the mill, I do them all with the chainsaw.  After awhile, you can get pretty good cutting slices and hold the dimensions.  Most of the customers say they actually like the story of "These were hand cut with a chainsaw".  We have found cutting and selling cookies is a very good way to get rid of log ends.  $5 to $10 per 2 inch cookie, maybe 4 or 5 cookies per foot, means it's easy money.

See, I figure this is an excuse for me to upgrade my chainsaw to one of these.  Think how many cookies these guys could make!


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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2018, 12:40:08 PM »
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 They were oak, 5 to 10 inches. They wanted them for coasters. I have not checked to see how they are now. If they even still have them. They were fine at the time of the wedding. I know someone who was there.
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Re: Cookie question ?
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2018, 06:24:26 PM »
Joed, when you packed them in sawdust, was it the dry sawdust/brown paper bag technique wood turner's use or something different?  I've got a decent sized cookie or two I'd like to experiment on.   ;D


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Re: Cookie question ?
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2018, 10:43:17 PM »
ahhhh, yeah.
Yellowhammer, please post a picture when you get that 1500 pounder in a paper bag, k?
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Re: Cookie question ?
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2018, 07:10:15 AM »
Going to need a whack of sawdust and a DanG big paper bag ;D
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Re: Cookie question ?
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2018, 07:53:31 AM »
YH you beat me to it.  I was going to ask the same question.  LOL
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Re: Cookie question ?
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2018, 08:02:07 AM »
I haven't had much luck in drying cookies, so when I cut down a dead RO my wife wanted to use it as cookies in the garden. I laid them out temporarily on landscape timbers 9 months ago expecting to find 21 examples of Pacman within weeks. They have small cracks but no gaping ones. They measure from 6" to 16". What did I do right?
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Re: Cookie question ?
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2018, 08:07:18 AM »
YellowHammer

I packed the cookies in a cardboard box, then used sawdust from the mill. It was not dried dust. It was a pile sitting outside. It had not rained for several days.
I put dust under and in between rows.
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« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2018, 10:43:52 AM »
I'll bet that any cookie that hasn't cracked is still wet or green.
Packed in damp sawdust, on the ground/mulch, piled up on top of each other, etc.
When it finally dries, Momma Nature will have her way . . . .
I've got a 'speriment underway with some super secret ;) and economical (compared to PEG) fluid to prevent checking in Bur Oak cookies.
Oak normally checks badly when drying, but fingers crossed, there's minimal checking in my samples after four months of drying in a 35% RH shop.

I'll reveal all in a few more weeks - complete with photos....
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Re: Cookie question ?
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2018, 11:05:14 AM »
Andries. . . I'll trade you some of my Georgia super secret clear drink,  for some of your secret recipe!  
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« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2018, 11:14:28 AM »
Ahhh, you Southern Gentlemen know how to swing a deal. 
Very persuasive....
Hang on a minute, I'll check with my 'consigliere' team: @WDH@YellowHammer and maybe @POSTON WIDEHEAD 
Hey guys: is this a good deal?
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Re: Cookie question ?
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2018, 12:10:50 PM »
What did I do right? Bob
Bob, much drying has already taken place.  I have had the best results from completely dead/dry trees.  I have about a dozen Walnut cookies that I occasionally loan out for weddings, etc.  None are cracked.

Here are three Cypress cookies that I intend to use for small tables, etc.


 
The two smaller ~18" - 26" have minimal/negligible cracks.


 
But the larger 38"+ has a growing crack.  The smaller cookies were sawn from a much more seasoned log.

Furby has the mate to both of these examples.  I wonder how his are doing?  ;D
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