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Offline mike_belben

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Re: Stolen trees
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2018, 09:33:09 AM »
 


 i have seen trees felled and butt cuts hauled off in the night right from vacant homes for sale.  I live next to two looted, gutted and burned foundations in fact.
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Not really.  Shootouts and burglaries are monthly. arrests are semi-annual and last 3 days or so if it falls on a weekend before bondsman turns em out. 
Sometimes it feels like the law keeps the trouble stationed among us.  There isnt a meth house, runner or drop site they dont know.
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Re: Stolen trees
« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2018, 01:26:07 PM »
 yes 2x if it's wrong is fair but we dont know the circumstances. 

Well if the guy cut over the line be it accidental or intentional it is wrong and illegal.

Can't get blood from a stone but judgements can be awarded,  liens placed on assets, if it's like here word will travel fast and mills won't buy the guys wood, people won't award them contracts, etc.

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Re: Stolen trees
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2018, 01:04:37 PM »
Was this contractor cutting an area for a large mill contract or just some guy cutting firewood on the side? If he was in contract with a known mill like Louisiana Pacific or something then basically just start by naming your price. This has happened many times,no one justifies this by how much board feet you've lost or number of trees. It's not unheard of to see payouts I'm the tens of thousands and higher for such screw ups. This is tresspassing in the forest industry and can result in jail time, usually not though. This is why companies have insurance.

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Re: Stolen trees
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2018, 08:31:50 PM »
I'm not going to go into details, but someone I know of got into a timber trespass situation, and the landowners just bought a new 8000 series John Deere tractor as a result. I think it was 16 trees total. The guy should be in an institution somewhere. 
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Re: Stolen trees
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2018, 10:58:36 PM »
Yes the volume and value of the cut trees can be determined from the remaining stumps, remaining tree tops, and existing standing trees. It is best to seek out the services of a certified consulting forester with experience in timber trespass case law for your state to make these determinations for you and advise you accordingly. 
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Re: Stolen trees
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2018, 11:28:09 PM »
Ive had this personally happen being both the land owner and logger where the county has a surveyor come in and move the property lines, then when court comes around those lines get tossed out.

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« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2018, 12:58:52 AM »
I believe thats called corruption.
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Re: Stolen trees
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2018, 01:46:25 AM »
Co worker had a logger take 3 semi loads of Doug Fir off his property. Clearly intentional as the guy pulled out the stumps and the property lines were clearly marked.  Was the second time the logger got caught stealing timber. First time he spent 12 months in jail. Second time 18 months.  My co worker got a judgment against him but the guy killed himself soon after getting out of jail so he got only his lawyers fees back before that happened. At least that meant he could not do it again.  There was no logging equipment in the guys name he was doing the theft for someone else. There was no estate to make a claim against.  

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« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2018, 06:10:25 AM »
Co worker had a logger take 3 semi loads of Doug Fir off his property. Clearly intentional as the guy pulled out the stumps and the property lines were clearly marked.  Was the second time the logger got caught stealing timber. First time he spent 12 months in jail. Second time 18 months.  My co worker got a judgment against him but the guy killed himself soon after getting out of jail so he got only his lawyers fees back before that happened. At least that meant he could not do it again.  There was no logging equipment in the guys name he was doing the theft for someone else. There was no estate to make a claim against.  
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Re: Stolen trees
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2018, 08:28:15 AM »
Set the emotions aside.  There are laws that cover this and you need to understand them.  A Forester will know how to proceed.
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« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2018, 04:18:39 PM »
Great News. The judge found in favor of my sister, and her neighbor, who also had trees stolen. It was pretty much open and shut. The land owner who hired the logger had to pay for the stolen logs. They were ultimately responsible, and would not say who the logger was. I have a feeling it was a family member. It cost the landowner $5000. Cant tell you how that was divided, but it was fair in my eyes.
Thank you all for the advice. It was very helpful. This was more than a year in the making. Just glad it ended this way.
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Re: Stolen trees
« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2018, 05:55:48 PM »
   Congrats on a happy ending. I hope that is enough of a deterrent to prevent such actions in the future.
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Re: Stolen trees
« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2018, 11:05:01 PM »
There was no harvest permit naming who the logger was?
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Re: Stolen trees
« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2018, 11:08:14 PM »
Great News. The judge found in favor of my sister, and her neighbor, who also had trees stolen. It was pretty much open and shut. The land owner who hired the logger had to pay for the stolen logs. They were ultimately responsible, and would not say who the logger was. I have a feeling it was a family member. It cost the landowner $5000. Cant tell you how that was divided, but it was fair in my eyes.
Thank you all for the advice. It was very helpful. This was more than a year in the making. Just glad it ended this way. 

Well if he wouldn't say who the logger was then he was just as guilty. I'm sure him not naming the logger made him a co conspirator. Always remember my golden rule about going to court. Never pee off the judge. Had a hearing one time during with my exwife. Her and her lawyer had been given a notice of hearing but not a summons. She and her lawyer didn't bother to show up. Judge said here is what the law says so I cannot rule on these items because she is not here but I can rule on the following and they all went my way. He was *pithed because she was wasting his time and I was paying my lawyer to be there and she decided not to show.
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Re: Stolen trees
« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2018, 11:09:58 AM »
There was no harvest permit naming who the logger was?
Not sure about PA, but that requirement is usually set by the state, and some states do not require it.
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