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added price when cutting from your own logs?
« on: June 26, 2018, 09:14:06 AM »
Another question here! 

I'm cutting some siding to sell from poplar logs on my own property. What would be a typical price to add (if any)?  and, for that matter, what is the average sawing fee per board foot? I'm in virginia!

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Re: added price when cutting from your own logs?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2018, 10:03:05 AM »
   Pretty good spread on prices. I'd check local papers and see what others in your area are getting. I don't think I am too far from you. I saw for $.30/bf for their logs or sell my poplar for $.75/bf. Some people here sell or saw for a good bit more but others around me may be sawing and selling for less such as $.25 sawing or $.50 selling their own wood. I'll let mine grow before I will sell for less and let theirs rot before sawing for less.
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Re: added price when cutting from your own logs?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2018, 12:22:48 PM »
Its hard to get more than 40cents a foot for poplar here in middle TN most of the year, delivered to mill.  There was one exporter almost 2 hours east of me paying up to 70c/ft for winter cut to go in cans, but thats better than i can get for veneer locally.  
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Re: added price when cutting from your own logs?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2018, 01:14:47 PM »
Mike,

   Is that 40 cents for the logs to the mill? I understood the question to be for sawed poplar boards. Do you know what rough sawed poplar is bringing in your area?
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Re: added price when cutting from your own logs?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2018, 07:27:51 PM »
What I do is find out what the logs would cost me delivered to my site then add my sawing fee on top. 
For example I get hemlock delivered to my site for $250 a thousand. And my sawing fee is $350 a thousand.
So I sell my hemlock for $600 a thousand ($0.60 a bf)
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Re: added price when cutting from your own logs?
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2018, 09:35:33 AM »
What I do is find out what the logs would cost me delivered to my site then add my sawing fee on top.
For example I get hemlock delivered to my site for $250 a thousand. And my sawing fee is $350 a thousand.
So I sell my hemlock for $600 a thousand ($0.60 a bf)
I don't saw for a living but do help run a business for a living and I'd want to get some markup on the logs in that situation. Doesn't make sense to go to the trouble of contacting a log buyer, paying for the logs upfront, storing the logs at your place, sorting them when time to saw, and then passing them along at cost to the customer. If the customer wants to do it as cheaply as possible let them buy the logs and bring them in for sawing. If they don't want that hassle they should be paying you extra for doing it.
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Re: added price when cutting from your own logs?
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2018, 10:00:16 AM »
Howard, i was saying logs delivered the the mill.  The price sheet quotes 650/th for over 16" veneer poplar but the most i ever got for one was 300/th.

Ive not cut much of it, they dont seem to get too big here.


As for marking up the logs, it depends what the market will bare and how much competition you have.  Too expensive and you wont get orders.
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Re: added price when cutting from your own logs?
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2018, 08:18:52 PM »
Per the Hardwood Market Report, FAS green poplar, tractor trailer load quantities, F.O.B. sawmill (loaded on truck at sawmill, no freight) is $.85/bf.  That is for 5,000 bf minimum.  That is commercial wholesale.  Can't see why you would sell for a penny less than that.  For local retail sales, less than $.85/bf does not make any sense to me.  I do not sell any lumber of any species for less than $1.00 per bf green, none.  If you have to fell and skid the trees to the sawmill, selling less than commercial wholesale does not seem right to me.
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Re: added price when cutting from your own logs?
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2018, 09:50:32 AM »
Per the Hardwood Market Report, FAS green poplar, tractor trailer load quantities, F.O.B. sawmill (loaded on truck at sawmill, no freight) is $.85/bf.  That is for 5,000 bf minimum.  That is commercial wholesale.  Can't see why you would sell for a penny less than that.  For local retail sales, less than $.85/bf does not make any sense to me.  I do not sell any lumber of any species for less than $1.00 per bf green, none.  If you have to fell and skid the trees to the sawmill, selling less than commercial wholesale does not seem right to me.
WDH, that is very helpful! where would i find this hardwood market report? how often do they update it? I'm selling small quantities, so no less than a 1.00 / bf seems like a good practice. So -- if i cut a 1"x6"x8' poplar board at a milling rate of .25c /bf (1 dollar fee), I would then add another 1.00/bf (1 dollar) to the price since it came from my own log yard? 
total price being 2.00 per each 1"x6"x8' board?  
Have i got that right?
thanks,
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Re: added price when cutting from your own logs?
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2018, 12:23:07 PM »
Since you're looking at the commercial side, FAS is the top grade.  You can't get that price for the lower grades.  A lot depends on usage to determine what grade to send, and the price.

If you're bringing in your own logs, they're worth what it costs you for logs.  If you're buying off a logger at a set price for a species, without any grading, then you won't be getting the logs that are being sold to another mill for a better price.  Your lumber grade yield will be a lot different.  But the price of the logs is already factored into the price of the lumber, not added later.

Pricing of lumber should reflect the quality of the lumber.  We sold low grade lumber for construction use.  We charged a better price than we could get from low grade markets.  If they wanted low grade poplar, we'd charge 50/bf.  If they wanted FAS poplar, we'd charge about 25% above market, for small orders.  Everything was dead green.


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Re: added price when cutting from your own logs?
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2018, 08:18:53 PM »
Forrest,

A 1x6x8 poplar board would be 4 bf.  At $1.00 per bf, that would be a $4.00 board.
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