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Quarter sawn white oak ?
« on: July 01, 2018, 08:54:04 PM »
Hey fellas I have a guy wanting some q sawn WO. He wants 10/4 and 6/4. It will all be 8ft. I was wondering how to price it. I can source the logs myself for 400 a thousand. Thanks. 
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Re: Quarter sawn white oak ?
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2018, 09:19:13 PM »
Quarter and rift, I'd say $2 bf green, true quartersawn like Yellowhammer does it...I'd charge $3, green. That some thick boards for quartersawing. What he using them for? And $400 a thousand for white oak big enough to quarter saw...sounds like a DEAL! I'd buy all I could :) Pictures?
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Re: Quarter sawn white oak ?
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2018, 10:10:28 PM »
I am the logger as well. So I guess 400 a thousand is what I need to log them. I'll have a little more hauling them to the house. I was going to use the woodmizer quarter/rift method. I was truly thinking 3 a foot for it. Yellowhammer is or at least I think he should be getting much more. I really hope he suggests something for me  
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Re: Quarter sawn white oak ?
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2018, 10:11:34 PM »
I don't really know what the intended use is  
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Re: Quarter sawn white oak ?
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2018, 11:09:07 PM »
Probably double the price if it's dried.  
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Re: Quarter sawn white oak ?
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2018, 11:44:29 PM »
High fleck quartersawn kiln dried white oak sells pretty fast for us, probably as fast or faster than FAS grade, flatsawn white oak.  Red oak flatsawn outsells our red oak quartersawn.  

Also, unlike flatsawn oaks, both red and white, where professional furniture makers prefer narrower boards for more stable glue ups, they prefer wide and ultra wide in quartersawn wood, and we sold some beautiful quartersawn boards Saturday that were full fleck, more than 18 inches wide and dead flat.  This customer had never seen quartersawn boards that wide and snatched them up as soon as he saw them, never even asked the price.  So price is very dependent on fleck, width and thickness, and we start at $6.50 per bdft for 4/4 less than 8 inch wide, and go up significantly from there as the boards get wider and thicker.    

High fleck sells well, low fleck OK but get high graded and picked through, and rift sawn is lumped in with the flatsawn.  We define high fleck as when a customer pulls a board they say "Wow!".    :o  
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Re: Quarter sawn white oak ?
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2018, 06:40:29 AM »
Red oak flatsawn outsells our red oak quartersawn.  


Interesting statistic. Is it a pricing or volume-per-sale thing? In other words are people buying flat sawn red oak due to the lesser price or is it that the flat sawn sells for projects that require more material? I'm assuming both.

My wife makes it easy for us...just makes pallets out of the nice quarter sawn! :o>:(






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Re: Quarter sawn white oak ?
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2018, 07:29:54 AM »
I do not have much/any demand for QS red oak.  On the QS white oak, kiln dried and planed S2S, I am at $7.00/bf for 4/4 with good figure.  I am usually out of stock because when I get some ready, it sells pretty fast. 
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Re: Quarter sawn white oak ?
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2018, 10:10:31 AM »
I am at $7.00/bf for 4/4 with good figure.  I am usually out of stock because when I get some ready, it sells pretty fast.


What price tag should wide curly quarter sawn white have? I am about to get this into the kiln. May just go into my private reserve stock. ;D






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« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2018, 10:25:00 AM »
Guys I appreciate all this info. Post away. 
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Re: Quarter sawn white oak ?
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2018, 12:19:21 PM »
I am at $7.00/bf for 4/4 with good figure.  I am usually out of stock because when I get some ready, it sells pretty fast.


What price tag should wide curly quarter sawn white have? I am about to get this into the kiln. May just go into my private reserve stock. ;D


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I have some that looks like that.  I donít show it to my everyday customers but will occasionally let a crafts person that I know is extraordinary to have a peek.
Mine starts at $16 bd for for this amount of curl and I wonít sell it to anybody but an extraordinary artist is an.  Quite frankly i prefer not to sell it; as curly figure like that in WO is so rare.
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Re: Quarter sawn white oak ?
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2018, 12:30:57 PM »
Hey fellas I have a guy wanting some q sawn WO. He wants 10/4 and 6/4. It will all be 8ft. I was wondering how to price it. I can source the logs myself for 400 a thousand. Thanks.
In my area, large diameter white oak grade logs sell for 700 - 1,200 per thousand.  So basically $1.20 per board foot in the raw log.
When quartersawing, typically I anticipate a 33% yield loss as compared with flatsawing.  So my 1K bd ft that I paid 1,200 for is now going to yield 650 bd ft for $1,200, or almost $2.00 per board foot.
Quartersawing requires a lot more time than flatsawing.  Typically I anticipate 3x to 4X more time.  So on the bottom end Iím at $1.25 per board foot for QS milling if it only takes me 3X the time.
So now weíre at $3.25 per board foot, and we havenít even factored in profit.  Want a 40% profit margin?  That puts you at around $5.50 per board foot for green material if you own the logs.
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Re: Quarter sawn white oak ?
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2018, 03:57:36 PM »
That is some exceptional wood.  I just scored a nice curly white oak, but it won't be that nice.   

Scott is dead on, the numbers must add up to make any product worth selling.  Quarter sawing takes time, has more waste, and requires better, more costly logs.    

The nice thing about quarter sawing, or sawing for "extra" grade, i.e. trying to get the maximum figure possible out of a log, assuming the log has the chops to be worth it, is that sometime the results are better than expectations, and absolutly unique and stunning.  In those cases, price is very much based on demand and market forces, vs straight bdft.  For example, I sold some wood to a guy last month who was, as he said, "building a centerpiece table for a million dollar kitchen in a six million dollar house."  He walks in, shakes my hand and says "show me something I've never seen before."  Price never even came up.
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Re: Quarter sawn white oak ?
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2018, 04:34:37 PM »
   Question - when you start cutting 10/4 and such will you still have the fleck on both sides? I'd think you start losing the angle on the rings by the time you start cutting that thick.
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Re: Quarter sawn white oak ?
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2018, 07:43:24 PM »
That is some exceptional wood.  I just scored a nice curly white oak, but it won't be that nice.  

Scott is dead on, the numbers must add up to make any product worth selling.  Quarter sawing takes time, has more waste, and requires better, more costly logs.    

The nice thing about quarter sawing, or sawing for "extra" grade, i.e. trying to get the maximum figure possible out of a log, assuming the log has the chops to be worth it, is that sometime the results are better than expectations, and absolutly unique and stunning.  In those cases, price is very much based on demand and market forces, vs straight bdft.  For example, I sold some wood to a guy last month who was, as he said, "building a centerpiece table for a million dollar kitchen in a six million dollar house."  He walks in, shakes my hand and says "show me something I've never seen before."  Price never even came up.
"show me something I've never seen before."
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« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2018, 07:48:56 PM »
That is some exceptional wood.  I just scored a nice curly white oak, but it won't be that nice.  

Scott is dead on, the numbers must add up to make any product worth selling.  Quarter sawing takes time, has more waste, and requires better, more costly logs.    

The nice thing about quarter sawing, or sawing for "extra" grade, i.e. trying to get the maximum figure possible out of a log, assuming the log has the chops to be worth it, is that sometime the results are better than expectations, and absolutly unique and stunning.  In those cases, price is very much based on demand and market forces, vs straight bdft.  For example, I sold some wood to a guy last month who was, as he said, "building a centerpiece table for a million dollar kitchen in a six million dollar house."  He walks in, shakes my hand and says "show me something I've never seen before."  Price never even came up.
"show me something I've never seen before."
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Re: Quarter sawn white oak ?
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2018, 08:33:21 PM »
With the RRQS method, you can get good figure on both faces of thick stock.  However, one good show face is all that the finished project will show, so what does it matter?



 

My curl is not as nice as your curl, PA, still, I might need to raise my price.  :)
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« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2018, 11:46:14 PM »
I don't have any pictures, but the guy bought dark, deep ocean purple/gray, almost gun metal shiny, highly chatoyant, deeply reflective quartersawn and riftsawn  pieces of  8/4, pretty old growth, male persimmon.  They were QS due to through sawing.  In addition, A remarkable zebra stripe of pure black ebony flowed between the heartwood and the sapwood, much like a racing stripe.  The curl figure was fantastic and seemed to glow.  Amazing stuff.  He bought every board I had.       
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« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2018, 06:03:41 AM »
My curl is not as nice as your curl, PA, still, I might need to raise my price. 


It's the very reason that I saw, really...the ability to find the treasures that otherwise are near unobtainable since either they go into someone's personal hoard, or they aren't affordable. My own hoard is looking pretty good!  :D
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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2018, 06:56:03 AM »
This is the best persimmon that I have had the pleasure of meeting.  Beautiful figure, but not curly.



 
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