The Forestry Forum is sponsored in part by:

TURBOSAWMILL GIANT SALE ON NOW UNTIL OCTOBER 31st


Forestry Forum
Sponsored by:


TimberKing Sawmills



Toll Free 1-800-582-0470

LogRite Tools



Norwood Industries Inc.


Sawmill & Woodlot Magazine



Your source for Portable Sawmills, Edgers, Resaws, Sharpeners, Setters, Bandsaw Blades and Sawmill Parts

EZ Boardwalk Sawmills. More Saw For Less Money!

STIHLDealers.com sponsored by Northeast STIHL


Woodland Sawmills

Peterson Swingmills

 KASCO SharpTech WoodMaxx Blades

Turbosawmill

Sawmill Exchange

BRUTE FORCE Authorized Dealer

Woodshax Outdoor Vending Solutions

FARMA


Council Tool

Baker Products

ECHO-Bearcat



Author Topic: Logging truck  (Read 4239 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Corley5

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 7950
  • Age: 49
  • Location: Wolverine, Michigan USA
  • Gender: Male
  • Wolverine, Michigan
    • Share Post
    • Whittaker Farms
Re: Logging truck
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2018, 04:44:54 PM »
General rules of thumb for an owner/operator of a Michigan Log Truck is 5 days for the truck, one day for yourself and if what you're doing doesn't equate to $100.00 an hour you're losing $$$. 
Burnt Gunpowder is the Smell Of Freedom

Offline Dave Shepard

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 10875
  • Age: 2013
  • Location: Alford Massachusetts
  • Gender: Male
  • Geometrically proportional
    • Share Post
    • My homepage
Re: Logging truck
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2018, 05:13:09 PM »
You reveal more with each post. I still contend that you will make your money at the mill, not in the truck. Your uncle is retired. How long is he going to run that truck before he wants to retire again, or get a paycheck? I can see owning the truck if you can't get your logs moved on time, that's a real problem. You are hiring the logging, so you aren't moving equipment. The way I lookat it is trucking costs me $0.06 per foot whether it's 5,000 feet or 500,000 feet. Plug it into the sawing costs and leave the headaches to someone else. 
Wood-Mizer LT40HDD51-WR Wireless, Kubota L48, Honda Rincon 650, TJ208 G-S, and a 60"Logrite!

Offline Busysawyer

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 366
  • Age: 40
  • Location: West mi
  • Gender: Male
  • I'm new!
    • Share Post
Re: Logging truck
« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2018, 05:19:22 PM »
I really do appreciate all of the advice . When my dad and I decided to get a mill I had no idea what it would lead too. I imagined a slow start with nothing coming in for awhile.  We had that attitude of trying to do a small retail business that would hopefully slowly grow. We aren't financing anything and we had a set amount that we were willing to risk and if we hit that without money coming in we would sell the equipment and take a hit. I was told by someone in the industry that during the last recession a lot of big places shut and now business is booming again and there is a gap that needs to be filled opening the door for smaller mills to fill the void. The wholesalers I've been talking to and selling to say the same thing, bring it in as fast as you can. When I ask about limitations on quantity they laugh and say your little lt70 isn't capable of producing anywhere near the amount we are looking to buy. They also say this is the slow season for them and they pickup more steam in the fall. I dont know a lot of guys just a couple big ones so I don't know how it's normally done but they way they tell me to make money is to cut out as many middle men as possible. They have their own timber buyers, logging crews, trucks , mills , kilns. The one place that has been lighting a fire under my but has 8 full time timber buyers that cruise the state buying up as much timber as they can.  The stuff I'm working on is the scraps they leave in their wake. Tuesday I'm going to sign a contract to buy 12 large beautiful walnut trees from a guy that couldn't even get a buyer to come out and look at them . He said he called a hslf dozen places and no one will come out because he only has 8 acres and they didn't have time. One place told him they were 2 months out to set an appointment to look at his timber. Everyone I know is swamped with work over here. Concrete, plumbers, electricians, builders they are all swamped. I used to build houses and then owned a small commercial construction company and this reminds me of how things were before the crash that put me out of business back in 2008. I have a close friend that has a good sized concrete company and we recently had a discussion about this . He is worried and I am worried that we can't sustain like this. He made it through the recession but it cost him a ton of money. He says he has his guys running trucks 60 hours a week and is booked for months. He said in his 20 years the only time he has seen it like this is before the collapse.  I've has so many conversations with people that my head is spinning on which way to go. I have the cliche sayings running through my head. Don't get to big for your britches, what goes up must come down , make hay while the sun is shining, strike while the iron is hot. Part of me says to says to jump in and capitalize while the getting is good and the other part of me is scared that I won't have time to get the return on the investment before the market crashes again. I don't know what's going on in other parts of the country but around here it's crazy right now. I live just outside west Michigan's largest city in what used to be a small farming town a few short years ago and now we have a large outlet mall. Farms and forests are being converted to shopping centers and housing developments at an alarming rate and it scares me. I'm only 40 years old and far from an expert on the economy but from what I've seen in my short life around this area I'm worried about 5 years from now or maybe less. Sorry for the long post I just have so much going through my brain it just kept coming out
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile

Offline Busysawyer

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 366
  • Age: 40
  • Location: West mi
  • Gender: Male
  • I'm new!
    • Share Post
Re: Logging truck
« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2018, 05:43:22 PM »
Guys part of the problem I'm having is finding the trucking and what I have found has been higher than I anticipated.  I've called all the independents that the people I know have referred to me, I've called at least a dozen places i found through Google. I get either we don't haul logs, we are too busy , or I could probably get to it in a couple weeks. I found three guys that could do it and all the prices are around the same. 700 dollars to haul 1 load that is 61 miles from here. I tell friends with trucking connections and they say it's way high and give me a guy to call. I call these guys and it's the same story, love to help you out but don't have the time call me back in a few weeks.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile

Offline Dave Shepard

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 10875
  • Age: 2013
  • Location: Alford Massachusetts
  • Gender: Male
  • Geometrically proportional
    • Share Post
    • My homepage
Re: Logging truck
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2018, 05:54:18 PM »
Another post, another critical detail.  :D If you can't get the logs trucked on time, then you are over a barrel. One trucker I use is $250 a load for tri axle, the other is $200 for the first hour, then $100 for every hour after. $700/load, even at 61 miles sounds steep. What size truck? 
Wood-Mizer LT40HDD51-WR Wireless, Kubota L48, Honda Rincon 650, TJ208 G-S, and a 60"Logrite!

Offline mike_belben

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 3301
  • Location: Middle TN
  • Pulp Friction
    • Share Post
Re: Logging truck
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2018, 06:16:50 PM »
Are these logs at the landing 61 miles away or they need a logger too?  How many board feet are getting hauled and what species?


You have a big skid steer.  What have you got for a truck and trailer to move that with?  



Revelation 3:20

Offline mike_belben

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 3301
  • Location: Middle TN
  • Pulp Friction
    • Share Post
Re: Logging truck
« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2018, 06:18:46 PM »
Regarding your swirling thoughts.. I lost it all a few times.  My advise is in stormy waters, avoid debt.  The less debt you have to service, the larger and longer a crisis you can weather. 
Revelation 3:20

Offline Puffergas

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 737
  • Location: Erie Co., PA
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
    • Puffergas
Re: Logging truck
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2018, 06:40:21 PM »
Loan your uncle the money to buy the truck. I'm sure he could pick up some extra hauls to fill in.
Jeff
Somewhere 20 miles south of Lake Erie.

GEHL 5624 skid steer, IHC 300 Utility, Timberjack 225D, Burg Bandsaw mill, Steiger Bearcat II

Offline David-L

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 1095
  • Age: 56
  • Location: Petersham, Mass
  • Gender: Male
  • present and accounted for.
    • Share Post
Re: Logging truck
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2018, 06:57:57 PM »
Best thing I ever did for my Logging business is buy my own truck. Once its sorted out , and with low use breakdowns aren't often but do happen. For me its my schedule and no more calling wondering when the independent guy is coming. loading trailers, Is crucial for me and having your own truck allows that. Also nice to peddle some pole wood for $ once and awhile. I say assess the truck thoroughly and have a game plan in place. I will mention that I am the mechanic so that could be a make or break.. Good luck. I have a 1988 Mack RD690S with a 300L motor and a 120 Prentice, Tough as nails those Macks are.



 

 
In two days from now, tomorrow will be yesterday.

Offline Skeans1

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 807
  • Location: Rainier, OR
  • I'm new!
    • Share Post
Re: Logging truck
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2018, 07:21:52 PM »
This is from a different part of the country but trucks are a necessary evil to have, the guys that donít loose out on jobs or are waiting to get one. One think we donít see out here is a ton of owner operators thereís some but theyíre always with someone who has company work because itís steady work with a set rate.

Offline Corley5

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 7950
  • Age: 49
  • Location: Wolverine, Michigan USA
  • Gender: Male
  • Wolverine, Michigan
    • Share Post
    • Whittaker Farms
Re: Logging truck
« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2018, 08:26:52 PM »
  One thing you need to think about is that when/if a correction comes it's the little producers that get axed first.  Mills look out for their highest producing logging firms and lumber companies look out for the bigger mills.
Burnt Gunpowder is the Smell Of Freedom

Offline mills

  • Full Member x2
  • ***
  • Posts: 235
  • Age: 56
  • Location: Kentucky
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: Logging truck
« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2018, 09:09:51 PM »
I think we've had this conversation a couple of times.  I don't want to haul any more than I absolutely have to, and try to contract the hauling out as much as possible, but I'd be up a creek without my truck. Either their schedule doesn't match mine, or their truck is too big to make to the landing. Nothing worse than a weather front moving in, and the trucker doesn't show up. Had a couple of times where veneer logs got stuck at the landing because a trucker didn't show up before the rain.

Offline Busysawyer

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 366
  • Age: 40
  • Location: West mi
  • Gender: Male
  • I'm new!
    • Share Post
Re: Logging truck
« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2018, 09:30:18 PM »
Dave I'm not certain what size truck. I told him what was there and he said it would be a partial load. He said it was self loading with a pup trailer.
Mike I do have a truck and trailer and already picked up one load. Was about 10000 bf there and we brought back maybe a 1/4 of it if that.  It looked like 3 or 4 more trips to us. There was a loader on site and the logs are stacked along a nice wide driveway. Pickup is 4 miles off the main highway, drop off to me is 1/8 of a mile off the same highway. Most of it is walnut.
I'm not going to go into debt but we reached our spending cap and if I go much further I might have to sell one of our rental properties.  I have a decent nest egg but the vast majority is wrapped up in rental homes and a few properties.
Puffergas, not a bad idea but I'm not sure how long or how often he would drive, he is retired. My dad said he wants to get licensed to drive as well.
David l that is a pretty sight.  It looks like you can haul quite a bit with that set up. I was an auto mechanic for a few years and have a stockpile of tools but never worked on the big trucks. At this stage in life I feel my time is better spent an generally pay a mechanic for work. He's been doing work for me for a few years asnd generally comes to me and uses my tools.  For what he charges it's hard for me to take the time or hassle of doing it my self.
Skeans,  the guy that is hslimg this load for me owns his truck but said he is contracted to someone and will be running my load in the evening after he fulfills his prior obligations.
Corley, my thoughts exactly.  These places could easily set up for more production themselves but I think everyone's still feeling the sting and it's less risky to supplement than to expand. When the demand drops off they just drop the little guys .

This is the one load we brought back. Originally I thought 2 loads but I'm new and don't have a clue and it's more like 4 or 5

 
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile

Offline mike_belben

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 3301
  • Location: Middle TN
  • Pulp Friction
    • Share Post
Re: Logging truck
« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2018, 10:15:53 PM »
Did you happen to scale that load?  If its legal and your state doesnt make you get an A license for it, maybe hauling like that when you have to isnt so bad?  

What about sending your uncle in that rig?  Or renting a log truck?  

Is there always a knuckleboom on site to load you up?  Out here small loggers mostly run cheap old 4 post straight trucks and farm plates.  F700s, L9000s, IH's.. Even seen a few chopped school bus log haulers as well as plenty of cab chassis 1tons with welded bunks for hauling 12s and shorter.  Can get into those for $4-6k and not sweat a recession.
Revelation 3:20

Offline BargeMonkey

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 2590
  • Age: 34
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: Logging truck
« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2018, 10:51:58 PM »
Honestly if the truck isnt thrashed and you broke down the cost of trucking for 3-4ld a yr without major breakdowns you would come out even. A straight log truck is cheap to register, if you stay under 6k miles you dont pay HUT. I would starve to death if I was dependent on someone else to truck wood for me. 
 A truck of that age isnt really going to lose money, that's not a bad price but you want to look it over, the obvious things are what hurt, new rubber, breaks, springs, it doesnt take long BUT you also know what you've got when you do buy a truck and start going thru it. 
 Mack superliner cabs are getting rare here, the hoods bring good money, make sure the cab isnt glued on. 
what's it got for an engine / trans / rears ? a 120 prentice is a tough loader, couple hoses a gr. 

Offline Matt601

  • Full Member x2
  • ***
  • Posts: 147
  • Age: 44
  • Location: South Mississippi
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: Logging truck
« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2018, 10:59:16 PM »
Do you need a loader? If you really donít I wouldnít have one on my truck. I have 2 bobtail trucks one with a loader it wt in at 27,500 other one is 20,000 I can load each truck to 55k so I get 7,500 lbs of more wood with the one without the loader. That paids for the fuel.

The truck in the pic you posted looks very familiar. I think it was a guys that only had it a few months and got tired of logging and sold out.

Get the best truck you can afford. I like internationals I just love how they run.
No matter where you go there you are!!!

Offline Busysawyer

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 366
  • Age: 40
  • Location: West mi
  • Gender: Male
  • I'm new!
    • Share Post
Re: Logging truck
« Reply #36 on: July 09, 2018, 12:01:22 AM »
Mike, we did not scale that. That rig belongs to the guy in the pic. A good friend of mine. He has a cdl and is the friend that family owns the railroad company.  That truck is his personal truck and he said without dot numbers he didn't want to go over that amount of logs for fear of being obviously overweight and getting a ticket. He thought that load was overweight.  Due to a horrible tragedy in his family that I wouldn't feel right discussing here. None of their big trucks are insured at the moment or else we would have taken this rig. It was parked right next to that gooseneck and it would have only cost me fuel and a six pack of beer when we got back to my place.  We have considered renting a truck but figure for what we want to do we would be better off owning .

 
Barge monkey,  thanks for the advice. That truck pictured was sent to me as a suggestion of what type of truck he thought would suit a new guy like us well. We haven't started looking at anything yet. Going to have to sit down with the old man tommorow and try to figure out how much we want to spend.  I think I could swing about 30 grand without too much worry but anything over that and I think i would have to sell one of the houses or properties or do something I really don't want to do and finance. I have a beautiful 22 vacant acres on a river south of me that I only go to and walk maybe once a year. The neighbor offered me 80k for it last year. He started off at 50k about 6 years ago and slowly ups his offer year after year. I've considered selling that place for a long time and it would be quick cash but I was thinking one of my kids might like to build a home there someday.

Matt I think I need self loading. Most of the time there will not be a loader on site and my bobcat won't lift high enough. Guys tell me I could build a dirt ramp with the bobcat to load and unload but that sounds like a pain and wouldn't consider it a long term solution by any means.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile

Offline barbender

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 5779
  • Age: 43
  • Location: Deer River MN
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: Logging truck
« Reply #37 on: July 09, 2018, 01:07:06 AM »
At the risk of talking out both sides of my mouth, "Buy a truck! Don't buy a truck"😁 If it is to serve your purpose and keep you on schedule, and keep you in logs, by all means- buy a truck!👍 I think it could be a tremendous asset. If I was running my mill full time, I would want a smaller truck myself so I wouldn't have to be dependent on others schedules. I could've summed up all my rambling by saying, if you need a truck go get one, just don't do it thinking you're going to save money😉
Too many irons in the fire

Offline snowstorm

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 3711
  • Location: maine
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: Logging truck
« Reply #38 on: July 09, 2018, 05:59:58 AM »
the mack ad says 10 sp. if its really a 8ll thats good if its the old rt1110 or the super 10. no. if you cant drive it and fix it you got no bussiness owning one. 

Offline mike_belben

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 3301
  • Location: Middle TN
  • Pulp Friction
    • Share Post
Re: Logging truck
« Reply #39 on: July 09, 2018, 07:40:13 AM »
"When you come to a fork in the road, take it."


Kinda like an open ended fortune cookie that doesnt make things any clearer.  If you are debt free, have property and equipment.. then you are in better shape then 9/10s of america.  If sawdust is your cash flow and logs are interrupting that for lack of trucking then something needs to change.  

Few questions on this guy who will haul for $700 a load:   is he running a self loader straight truck or self loader trailer?   How many bd ft can he fit legally?  If the next job is closer is it still $700/load?   
Revelation 3:20


Share via delicious Share via digg Share via facebook Share via linkedin Share via pinterest Share via reddit Share via stumble Share via tumblr Share via twitter

xx
logging truck

Started by rmack on Forestry and Logging

1 Replies
932 Views
Last post March 14, 2013, 09:53:03 AM
by rmack
xx
Anyone logging with a winch truck?

Started by Pine Ridge on Forestry and Logging

37 Replies
3446 Views
Last post May 14, 2014, 11:58:01 AM
by BargeMonkey
xx
Flat Bed Tow Truck Logging?

Started by ljohnsaw on Forestry and Logging

17 Replies
1581 Views
Last post June 20, 2018, 06:43:35 PM
by Skeans1
xx
More ac questions about my logging truck.

Started by Woodhauler on Forestry and Logging

9 Replies
1488 Views
Last post August 02, 2012, 09:00:33 AM
by Decked
 


Powered by EzPortal