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Hard maple
« on: July 15, 2018, 08:08:45 AM »
Well itís been awhile since I posted. Still working towards my own operation. The iron mule is coming along goood. Fixing small things. Prolly wouldnt have to but itís home. Nows the time to do it. Iíve got three small wood lots lined up. Just acquired two hard maple woods. Havenít crewsed it with a scale or tree count yet but Iíd say 300-400 between the two lots. Then the low grade trees also. The last time I cut high grade maple was prolly ten years ago. My question is these mills come in and pay land owners (Some good friends of mine) very high prices. $200-$300 per tree. Iíd like to know how there getting it? If I use dole scale the footage and per foot price they pay them just dosent add up! Iím doing 40/60 split on the grade and want the best price for both parties. I know thereís a lot of variable but just looking for some opinions.

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Re: Hard maple
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2018, 08:10:02 AM »
These are 18-26Ē trees by the way. Thanks.

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Re: Hard maple
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2018, 08:41:13 AM »
Well, if it's a 24" diameter and 16' long, got 400BF. Going rate for prime is 800-850, so there you go...$320-340. 12 footer is 300BF, so $240.

It adds up.
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Re: Hard maple
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2018, 09:07:27 AM »
24Ē dbh. If you scale a log 24Ē dbh itís in the range of 18Ē at the small end. So you go down to 147 bf. so if two high grade logs are cut from that stem your $200-$300 per tree. So there pay full value and not getting anything for producing it or trucking it? I see what your saying. There just not leaving much wiggle room for profit.

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Re: Hard maple
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2018, 09:29:58 AM »
How much of it will make veneer?
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2018, 09:33:15 AM »
As I said I have properly crewsed it yet but there will be a good dozen veneer on each lot. Yes this will add up fast also.

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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2018, 10:17:49 AM »
Are you sure that's what the mills are paying ???? Sounds pretty high to me especially now , in our area ( northern NYS ) hard maple is loosing ground .

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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2018, 10:27:58 AM »
Iím not sure yet. I havenít contacted anyone. I was basing my numbers off Pa walnuts. Just for the sake of this conversation. The last maple job I did (10 years ago) itís was $1200 for prime. Our red oak was in the $750-800 range. And thatís average hole tree price. In the past oak was always cheaper than maple.

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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2018, 11:18:36 AM »
Are you sure that's what the mills are paying ? Sounds pretty high to me especially now , in our area ( northern NYS ) hard maple is loosing ground .


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Re: Hard maple
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2018, 03:18:29 PM »
Would stick scaled bought by the cord be better? Heís paying $300 a cord down to 10Ē and will sort veneer and he takes 10% for doing so. I did a little math and if you took the butt logs out for high grade and sold the smaller bolts itís almost the same if you send it all for $300 a cord. But stick scale is better  deal than Doyle scale on smaller logs so could actually be better anyways. Just looking at my options.

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Re: Hard maple
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2018, 06:11:15 AM »
I was hoping to hear some opinions on price and scale. Is anyone cutting maple in northern mi now?

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Re: Hard maple
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2018, 10:12:04 PM »
White ash job I worked on in February I did a 70/30 split with the land owner. 70 for him 30 for me. 30 cord saw and veneer. 20 bolts. 40 firewood. Worked out ok. Hardwood job Iím on now is lots of big hard maple. Basswood. Ask. And beech. Waiting til October or so to cut the ash maple and basswood as I only do it part time I donít want grade logs to crack and stain and become bolts and firewood. Taking out the beech now to get it out of my way and it will just go for bolts and pulp. 

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Re: Hard maple
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2018, 10:17:20 PM »
Sorry I donít have much for prices. Havenít checked with my hauler in a while. But last he told me a few months ago basswood Vermeer was around 500 a thousand and maple around 700-800 a thousand. The log buyer comes to the landing and grades each log as itís loaded on the truck. Bolts get stick scaled on the truck at a different mill. And pulp gets stick scaled on the truck and weighed and the yard before loaded on a rail car. 

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Re: Hard maple
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2018, 10:20:53 PM »
Pulp gets scaled? Itís not done just by weight? Sorry this is odd to me out here our pulp is chip only wood for weight.

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Re: Hard maple
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2018, 10:37:29 PM »
$300 a cord is the way to go. You will get consistent pay for your woods run hard maple. I do my own veneer sales... Because it's worth the time and effort. 10% is a lot of money if you have 40k in logs there. I'm starting a job next week so I will be checking my local prices here shortly. I spoke with my veneer buyer just last weekend and their winter inventory is all cut and he's back to normal on his buying. 😃
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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2018, 10:52:37 PM »
Skeans all our pulp is sold by weight. But I donít truck my own stuff. My hauler charges by the cord so he scales the load once loaded so he knows how many cord he has to charge me. He does all the marketing. He knows what to take where. I just cut and skid and call him when I have a load of whatever and he works it into his schedule. Usually within 5 days he picks it up. He hauls for a couple full time guys and a few other part time guys like me. 

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Re: Hard maple
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2018, 10:56:45 PM »
How much does the haul cost ya and how far is it going?  

You get paid by the trucker or the mill that he hauls to?
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Re: Hard maple
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2018, 10:57:31 PM »
Thatís different then our trucking rates itís normally done by the ton with each haul having a different rate per ton.

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« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2018, 11:11:16 PM »
Mike aspen pulp to LP in sagola mi maybe 100 miles or so away 22 a cord. Suring wi with aspen and hardwood bolts about 50 miles away 20 a cord and expera rail yard in Beecher wi with the hardwood and pine pulp about 45 miles itís 18 bucks a cord. 

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« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2018, 11:15:49 PM »
Also all the wood is in the truckers name. He gets the check from the mill then he takes out the trucking and I get a check from the trucker with the scale tickets. 


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