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STIHL 064 troubles
« on: July 22, 2018, 11:15:45 PM »
Hi, I recently bought a used burned up 064. I bought piston and cylinder. Put new oil seals in. Put it all together and ran it for a few minutes just to adjust the carb. Then I didnít use it for a few months. The other day it was pretty warm and humid when I went to cut. Took it to the woods with me. Cut down a 30 inch on the stump beech tree. Bucked 2 logs and it died. Wouldnít restart. Grabbed a different saw and finished. Cut down a few others and went back an hour later and it started again. Cool I thought. Used it for 15 minutes and died and no start again. So anybody have any ideas what it could be?

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Re: STIHL 064 troubles
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2018, 11:23:39 PM »
Sounds like your ignition module is breaking down.
Easy fix but first we need pictures and more information about your 064. Most importantly the serial number .
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Re: STIHL 064 troubles
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2018, 05:26:17 PM »
Thanks. I figure thatís what the problem is also. Iíll try to get a few pictures tonight and post them with a serial number

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Re: STIHL 064 troubles
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2018, 05:57:14 PM »

First pull the muff and look at the piston.   Steve
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Re: STIHL 064 troubles
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2018, 10:53:37 PM »
Ladylake what am I looking for when I do that? Cylinder and piston are brand new. 

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Re: STIHL 064 troubles
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2018, 11:14:40 PM »
Ladylake what am I looking for when I do that? Cylinder and piston are brand new.
Make sure they still look brand new. Hopefully they are, but you should double check. 
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Re: STIHL 064 troubles
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2018, 05:14:09 AM »
There was a reason it was burned up. Could of been an air leak in it.
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Re: STIHL 064 troubles
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2018, 07:06:49 AM »

 If the saw is lean for any reason it only takes 1 cut to burn up a piston and cylinder.   Steve
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Re: STIHL 064 troubles
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2018, 01:12:15 PM »
I will look into that. Hopefully tonight I will have time to look. Thanks guys. 

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Re: STIHL 064 troubles
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2018, 09:51:57 PM »
make sure it was put in in the right direction the arrow on the piston is to point to the front or back don't remember which 

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Re: STIHL 064 troubles
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2018, 10:43:55 PM »
 
Piston and cylinder look brand new  serial number 112553003. Best I can tell on the number anyways

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Re: STIHL 064 troubles
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2018, 10:46:39 PM »
Piston was put in correctly. I double triple quadruple checked which way to put it in when I did it. This is the 4th saw Iíve rebuilt. The rest all run great. New intake boot new impulse line new fuel line and filter when I rebuilt it. 

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Re: STIHL 064 troubles
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2018, 11:48:19 PM »
Looking good Cub . Looks like you have a early dog leg coil. Let me go into my notes and I'll get right back.
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Re: STIHL 064 troubles
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2018, 01:53:12 AM »

Piston and cylinder look brand new  serial number 112553003. Best I can tell on the number anyways(Image hidden from quote, click to view.)
Cub, 
Ok you have a 1122 400 1311 three hole dog leg ignition module on your early 064. These modules had a high rate of failure.
Find a universal mount Iida #0000 400 1300 these unlimited modules were pretty well standard on most Stihls from 034 up after 1984. Probably won't find a new OEM one but lots of good new aftermarket available. Or find a used one that works.
Don't worry the 2 screw hole 1300 will bolt up fine , just make sure you have .010 gap between the flywheel magnet area.

Oh  BTW before you get into the module, check the fuel tank vent. Could be plugged and fuel flow is shutting down after a short run in the wood .Loosen the fuel cap when she starts to die.
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Re: STIHL 064 troubles
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2018, 11:02:53 PM »
Thank you guys all for your help and ideas. Sounds like the coil is the issue to me. Iíll try to find something when I get a chance and keep you posted. Any suggestions as to where to get an aftermarket one? I donít want to get a cheapo and it die on me again. Thank you 

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Re: STIHL 064 troubles
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2018, 01:52:09 AM »
Just google it now that I found you the part # ::)
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Re: STIHL 064 troubles
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2018, 05:51:38 PM »
There's a zillion 400-1300's on eBay.

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Re: STIHL 064 troubles
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2018, 11:38:17 PM »
Found an oem coil on eBay. 100 bucks. Should be here by Friday. Dealer wanted 149 bucks. 

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Re: STIHL 064 troubles
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2018, 11:07:14 AM »
Ok. Update. Got the 0000-400-1300 coil. When I went to install only 1 bolt hole lined up with the case? I canít possibly run it this way. Wouldnít after time vibration move the coil around and possibly change the gap or collide with the flywheel? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance 

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Re: STIHL 064 troubles
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2018, 10:44:44 PM »
The universal coil won't fit the most early 064s with dogleg coil, besides the dogleg bosch coil they also made some bosch coils with two mounting holes that line up with the upper two mounts on your case, I have one of those.  The bosch coils are NLA.

There were some early 064 cases made that had a 4th mounting hole that would line up with the more common coils, but came with the bosch coil(s).

There are two options I know of : 1) make an adapter to use the common coil.  I've seen a few versions of these. Use the top mount and make an adapter for the middle one. 2) Find a dogleg coil from a 046, they supposedly bolt up and run fine, but are hard to find


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