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Re: Question for tractor trailer drivers
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2018, 08:39:37 AM »
I ride the dragon several times a year the last time a few weeks ago. It's a motorcycle mecca but I don't care for it.

You still see big rigs on it from time to time even with the ban. It's a long way around to get from Knoxville/Maryville to Robbinsville if you can't use 129.

Personally I'd like to see them ban more campers and trailers.

Actually if I never have to ride it again I'd be happy. First thing guys want to do when they come up to the Tenn house is "ride the Dragon". Too much work with no scenery and a bunch of jerks on sport bikes tearing it up or some fool in a cage that can't keep his line.

Lot's crash every year riding it. At the Deals Gap stop they have the "tree of shame" which is covered with bike parts, xrays and obits.

BTW Not to be outdone, Here in Florida we have our own motor cycle gauntlet.. it's called Tail of the Gecko. 11 curves in 318 miles.
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Re: Question for tractor trailer drivers
« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2018, 09:35:15 AM »
If you want your own private dragon adventure without all the poseurs, start at brushy mountain prison in TN and run 116 up to 297 or down to 330.  

Coal trucks and banjos.  Be careful.   For as close to civilization as it is, ill bet its one of the most rugged patches in america.  Like a miniature amazon encircled by highways.  James earl ray escaped from brushy mountain and didnt get far across frozen head.  
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« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2018, 10:20:13 AM »
another good ride in WA is highway 20 from Sedro Wolley to Omak across the North Cascades
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« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2018, 12:31:20 PM »
Raider Bill I agree that the Tail of the Dragon is a lot of work to ride for just being able to say you did it.  I have ridden it a few times and like you if I don't ever ride it again I won't miss it.  Here in Stokes County, NC we have plenty of curvy roads to challenge a rider's skills and I can sleep in my own bed after riding.  Highway 66 North from King, to Highway 89 South is about as technical as the Dragon but without the hype. The scenery is pretty good and the roads aren't overly busy.  The Parkway is just 45 minutes away as well.  

I'm sawing at a site this week and next where there is a T for logging trucks to turn around.  They pull through the T then they do have to back to the right where there's about 40' feet of space.  So there's no problem with side clearance.  They turn left then back down to the unloading ramp where the big rubber tire loader unloads the logs.  From the ramp it is a straight shot out of the site back to the road.
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« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2018, 01:41:23 PM »
Thanks Mike, I'm always looking for that next road to putt along on in that area.

Heading up again in September for a weeks riding.
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« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2018, 01:49:45 PM »
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« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2018, 05:34:31 PM »
I run a 48 ft flatbed spread axle log trailer and I never plan to turn around when loaded. So always plan to take trucks straight in to unload and then turn around unloaded. Loops are OK when loaded if they are wide enough at the turns but tight turns are hard on the tires and no fun at all if you drop a wheel off the hard surface. 

I have a third (lift) axle close spaced in front of the front spread axle which does give me some flexibility as I can dump the air bags on the rear axle but with the higher loads I am allowed to carry, that puts a lot of stress on the two close spaced axles. I have watched on tight turns and you can almost roll the tires off the rims on tight turns with a load.

I have operated on some tight landings with narrow roads where I have had to drag the trailer sideways into a T road to get turned around before loading. I would never do that when loaded. 

I don't even want to think about the times I've dropped a loaded set of tandems off the edge on some narrow tight turns.  
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Re: Question for tractor trailer drivers
« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2018, 10:42:05 PM »
You can run 40k on a spread right?  How many board feet can you typically get on and stay under 80?  Is the trailer heaping or is there room to spare when you hit 80k?
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« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2018, 02:08:28 AM »
I always haul pulpwood so I am set up with five bunks of 100 inch sticks. It's all weight scaled now so I never look at BDFT or cords. I guess I haul approximately 13 to 15 cords at max weight. That's based on about 64K load.

The 10 ft spread axle trailer makes it easier to meet axle weight limits or in other words it allows you to shift weight off the tractor tandems. In MN when hauling logs, I am allowed 80K plus 5% in summer and can go +10% + the 5% tolerance during frozen road time. 

In WI I can get a permit to haul 90K and the only way I can stay under the axle weight limits is with a spread axle trailer. With both the MN and WI weights over 80K, it's hard on tires as you are pushing the max tire limits.

In both MN and WI with a 6-axle setup, with a third axle on the trailer I can get a permit for 90K +5% in MN and for 98K in WI. In WI the 98K is max year around and in MN during frozen roads you can go 90K + 10% + 5% tolerance or about 104K. With the 6 axle set up, I have relatively few tire problems other than the scrubbing of the rear spread axle tires on turns.
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Re: Question for tractor trailer drivers
« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2018, 08:39:08 AM »
I watched a driver once take a turn so tight on asphalt, he tore a wheel off his trailer.  It came off and laid on the road.  Itís things like that which show how difficult trucking can be.  
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« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2018, 08:59:06 AM »
Trucking is a thankless job.  Drivers dont get near the appreciation they deserve.  
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« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2018, 02:38:05 PM »
I watched a driver once take a turn so tight on asphalt, he tore a wheel off his trailer.  It came off and laid on the road. 
That's the downside to spread axles. I've watched that rear spread set of tandems on tight turns and the tires roll sideways to the point the sidewalls are scrubbing the pavement. I do have a dump valve in the cab for the rear airbags but if you forget to turn it back on after the turn it's big trouble. Many trailer manufacturers will void your warranty if you install a dump valve. The upside of the rear dump valve is you can instantly shorten your trailer length by 10 ft for tight turns.
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« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2018, 07:50:00 PM »
Im surprised no one has made them a steering spread.  They have self parking cars and self driving trucks now.  Electric trucks etc. 
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« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2018, 10:16:18 PM »
Pa mizerman, bigger is better. Make it easy for the driver, and consider room for loading and unloading. Your first truck in will tell you for sure how well it works, and if the lot needs to be bigger.
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« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2018, 06:06:01 PM »
Thanks for all the input. I like the idea of a T.
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