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New to the board and the Sawing world
« on: August 04, 2018, 08:08:06 PM »
Howdy all, I'm from Arkansas and have started reading in pretty heavy in sawing for the last week or so. I'm dreaming about building a portable Mill, but that's a little way out. Just wanted to say hello, ask if y'all have any good places to read on running Mills, and to see if anyone e else is in the NW AR area, or maybe the NE OK. Thanks for having me yall

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Re: New to the board and the Sawing world
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2018, 08:56:29 PM »
 Welcome No_Dude. Your in the right place. Just keep reading. There are a few on the FF from up in your area. Give me a shout if your ever in the central part of the state. I can teach you all I know in a real short visit. But stay as long as you wish. I didn't build my mill, but made a lot of mods. Dennis         

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Re: New to the board and the Sawing world
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2018, 09:00:28 PM »
Springfield mo area here    

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Re: New to the board and the Sawing world
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2018, 09:16:10 PM »
Welcome!
  Several threads recently about mills people are building. As never finished stated just keep reading and youll absorb a good bit.

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Re: New to the board and the Sawing world
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2018, 09:41:06 PM »
Welcome!  
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2018, 10:11:32 PM »
Welcome No_Dude. Your in the right place. Just keep reading. There are a few on the FF from up in your area. Give me a shout if your ever in the central part of the state. I can teach you all I know in a real short visit. But stay as long as you wish. I didn't build my mill, but made a lot of mods. Dennis        
If I get to the point I'm convinced I want to throw down cash I may take you up on that offer. I may have to hit you up on spring break or sometime like that, finding the time to scoot down there while in school and being an intern makes it hard to find time for much of anything anymore haha. Hope y'all dont mind, but I'll probably just make this a dumping ground for a slew of questions so I don't flood the place with new threads.

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Re: New to the board and the Sawing world
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2018, 11:36:50 PM »
What's a size reference to compare 1 MBF to, because I can read all these numbers on how many board feet something is, and without having a mental image to compare to, it doesnt mean much.

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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2018, 12:46:34 AM »
Also on your porta-mills what are the outside rails and the supports that span the inside made of size wise? Any good place to read on the relations of band thicknesses, FPM and the like?

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Re: New to the board and the Sawing world
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2018, 01:11:01 AM »
1MBF is 1,000 bd-ft.  A board foot is 12"x12"x1" - a measure of volume.  A 10' 2x6 is 10 bd-ft.

Band thickness is related to the wheel diameter - the thicker bands (.045 vs. .042) will fatigue and crack going over smaller diameter (<20") wheels.  Also, the wider the blade (1", 1.25", 1.5"...) the thicker the band will likely be.  The wider and thicker the blade, the tighter the band must be stretched.  Also, the more HP you will need.  The wider the cut, the heavier the band (and higher tension) and more HP needed to keep the cut going flat.
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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2018, 01:16:42 AM »
1MBF is 1,000 bd-ft.  A board foot is 12"x12"x1" - a measure of volume.  A 10' 2x6 is 10 bd-ft.

Band thickness is related to the wheel diameter - the thicker bands (.045 vs. .042) will fatigue and crack going over smaller diameter (<20") wheels.  Also, the wider the blade (1", 1.25", 1.5"...) the thicker the band will likely be.  The wider and thicker the blade, the tighter the band must be stretched.  Also, the more HP you will need.  The wider the cut, the heavier the band (and higher tension) and more HP needed to keep the cut going flat.
Thanks for the band explination. I understand that a MBF is 1000BF and how BF is calculated, I just meant for like a size comparison, like a fridge is about X amount of board feet, just so I have a mental image of what it looks like.

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Re: New to the board and the Sawing world
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2018, 01:36:12 AM »
OK.  You know a cord of wood is 4' x 4' x 8' or 128 cu-ft of wood.  A cubic foot of wood is 12 bd-ft so a cord is 128 x 12 or 1,536 bd-ft.
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Re: New to the board and the Sawing world
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2018, 01:53:38 AM »
OK.  You know a cord of wood is 4' x 4' x 8' or 128 cu-ft of wood.  A cubic foot of wood is 12 bd-ft so a cord is 128 x 12 or 1,536 bd-ft.
Except a cord of firewood accounts for the air gaps in the stack because the firewood is round or randomly split. When you measure sawn boards there aren't air gaps. 
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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2018, 02:02:46 AM »
That works for me :) Just was looking for a ballpark idea on what it would look like.

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Re: New to the board and the Sawing world
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2018, 06:38:37 AM »
Welcome to the Forestry Forum, No_Dude!
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Re: New to the board and the Sawing world
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2018, 09:32:36 AM »
Also on your porta-mills what are the outside rails and the supports that span the inside made of size wise? Any good place to read on the relations of band thicknesses, FPM and the like?
there is a LOT of variation on how sturdy mills are constructed.  The less expensive mills just have angle iron for rails (they need supports placed fairly close together).  Home built mills range from that up to fair size I beams.  My home built uses 4" channel iron made into a truss with angle iron tension members.  If I did it again, would consider using larger steel and leaving off extra work of all that bracing.

Optimum band thickness depends on the diameter of your wheels and your tolerance for band breakage.  Thick bands and small wheels equals short life for the bands.  My wheels are 24" diameter and I get good life with .055" thick bands and can wear out .045" bands without breaking them.
Lots of information about FPM but much of it is about optimum speed for production cutting with high horsepower.  If you are using a smaller engine, those speeds are way too fast.
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« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2018, 10:04:35 AM »
Welcome to the board.  I Mostly try to keep up with all the info on here.  I join the Buffalo National River between Compton and Ponca.
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Just so you can get a different mental picture - theoretically, 10 logs 18" in diameter 8' long will yield 1000 board feet (more or less).  "Theoretically" because logs aren't perfect cylinders of wood, sweep, taper and other imperfections will reduce that number somewhat. So 11 or 12 logs might be more realistic.
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Re: New to the board and the Sawing world
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2018, 10:29:22 AM »
Welcome!
A fridge that is 36x36x6 tall would figured..
36x36x6=7,776/12=648 bf
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Re: New to the board and the Sawing world
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2018, 10:54:42 AM »
Welcome!
A fridge that is 36x36x6 tall would figured..
36x36x6=7,776/12=648 bf
BUT....if there is beer in that fridge, your calculations go out the window....specially on a hot day......ya.... ;D ;D
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Re: New to the board and the Sawing world
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2018, 12:35:00 PM »
Dead stacked a stack of lumber 25"x40"x12' is 1000 board feet
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