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« on: August 07, 2018, 10:25:45 AM »
It's buttercup #3's time to go to the freezer.
He's been grass fed with hay his whole 3 years.
Historically we have never done anything prior to the big event. The meat has been LEAN with no fat.
This time we got him in a stall a week ago and are feeding him "beef builder" grains that we got from the co-op. He's eating 30-50 pounds a day plus hay.
His final day will be the 17th of this month.

Will this help get some fat in the meat or am I wasting money?
He's the one with his side to us.


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« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2018, 10:29:21 AM »
I'm no steer expert, but I thought corn was used for strictly building fat?
Too many irons in the fire

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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2018, 11:00:59 AM »
Any grain will add weight and fat.  Not sure of price but likely you  could feed straight corn (relatively cheap now) to fatten up fast.  How do you keep others from getting it, closed off stall?  30-50lbs day seems like a lot for one animal.  Are you feeding them all?  
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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2018, 11:12:54 AM »
We have always "conditioned" our beef by confining him/her to a box-stall and feeding them cornmeal and a little bit of hay, and what water they needed!
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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2018, 12:58:59 PM »
It's not going to marble the meat if that is what you are asking. You may put some fat on under the hide but other than being mixed in with burger it is usually trimmed off. It's not easy to marble grass fed beef, it takes a consistent 2 lbs of gain per day every day to produce marble. 

The other issue is transition of his rumen, going from straight grass to heavy grain overnight he will dump a lot out the back end until his gut bacteria adjust to the acid level caused by the grain. Not saying you are wasting money, but not sure you will get the desired results either. 
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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2018, 01:30:06 PM »
It's not going to marble the meat if that is what you are asking. You may put some fat on under the hide but other than being mixed in with burger it is usually trimmed off. It's not easy to marble grass fed beef, it takes a consistent 2 lbs of gain per day every day to produce marble.

The other issue is transition of his rumen, going from straight grass to heavy grain overnight he will dump a lot out the back end until his gut bacteria adjust to the acid level caused by the grain. Not saying you are wasting money, but not sure you will get the desired results either.

That's pretty much the question. I've been thinking it wouldn't add to the marbling in such a short time. I'm splitting this steer with my friend who is convinced he is getting USA prime steaks if he grains him out.

We've been watching him waste to see if it changes but so far seems solid.
The last steers I did had no fat. These guys spend their whole life in the pasture and never see grain.
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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2018, 01:30:42 PM »
It's not going to marble the meat if that is what you are asking. You may put some fat on under the hide but other than being mixed in with burger it is usually trimmed off. It's not easy to marble grass fed beef, it takes a consistent 2 lbs of gain per day every day to produce marble.

The other issue is transition of his rumen, going from straight grass to heavy grain overnight he will dump a lot out the back end until his gut bacteria adjust to the acid level caused by the grain. Not saying you are wasting money, but not sure you will get the desired results either.

That's pretty much the question. I've been thinking it wouldn't add to the marbling in such a short time. I'm splitting this steer with my friend who is convinced he is getting USA prime steaks if he grains him out.

We've been watching his waste to see if it changes but so far seems solid.
The last steers I did had no fat. These guys spend their whole life in the pasture and never see grain.
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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2018, 01:38:38 PM »
Tell your buddy to sell his half of the premium grass fed lean beef and take the cash and go buy some marbled feedlot stuff at the grocery store😁
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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2018, 01:39:06 PM »
Steers finished in a lot are usually there 6 to 8 months. This is a very hard time of year to finish a steer. I have one that I was going to ship in early June but just didn't get to it so he will hang around until about October so that he will have had good cool season grass for about 60 days again. 
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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2018, 01:19:05 PM »
I'm splitting this steer with my friend who is convinced he is getting USA prime steaks if he grains him out.
 

Grain\no-grain, he's getting better than that - may not have the marbling but I'll take grass feed beef over the corn fed dairy cows you get at walmart.

25%+ of the steak at the store are from dairy animals, whether it be cull cows or finished steers - corn & soybeen fed holsteins just the same.

making me hungry just thinking about it - gotta be a ribeye around here somewhere..

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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2018, 05:01:05 PM »
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It's buttercup #3's time to go to the freezer.
He's been grass fed with hay his whole 3 years.
Historically we have never done anything prior to the big event. The meat has been LEAN with no fat.
This time we got him in a stall a week ago and are feeding him "beef builder" grains that we got from the co-op. He's eating 30-50 pounds a day plus hay.
His final day will be the 17th of this month.

Will this help get some fat in the meat or am I wasting money?
He's the one with his side to us.


He's the black one with his
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You are feeding alot or grain.  Watch out for Acidosis.  Here is a link for more information.
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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2018, 05:58:31 PM »
With 9 days until butcher the feed really isn't going to do anything other than maybe put a little fat under the hide. Also like stated above pushing that much feed to a grass fed animal that quickly is a recipe for other issues...

I finish all mine on grass typically. When I have put them on feed it's for between 90 to 120 days. I've done it as little as 60 days but never noticed much return for my investment.

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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2018, 04:35:23 AM »
Might put a little fat on the hide but not much in that timeframe. We feed only grass here balage and hay in the winter. Ours hang 700+ with a nice layer of fat. Marbling is much more genetic than most people know if the steer isn't marbled at butchering then momma is on the cut list. Feed helps some as does time but we like the 24 month or under range and we are getting close mostly 24 or slightly over here for the boys. Ageing help also how long do they hang? 2 weeks is a world of difference and 28 days is awesome using a new butcher now picking up 2 boys this weekend that hung 24 and I gave them the ok to butcher to see how they taste 8) 8)
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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2018, 08:49:08 AM »
I'm beating my head against the wall with this guy.
He's convinced the grains are going to work.
On my end it is just adding to the cost with no return.

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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2018, 12:50:44 PM »
Many years ago there was an article in the Lancaster Farmer newspaper where they did a blind taste test to see if people could tell the difference between Angus, Holstein cross and others, most couldn't. What was also tested was the amount of doneness, regardless of how they said they preferred it most people liked their steaks medium rare, even those that said well done. 
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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2018, 02:55:03 PM »
Any of you guys care to give me the beginner crash coarse on this stuff.. Whats marbling and what does this finishing process consist of?  I understand hanging to break down the effects of rigor mortis or whatever it is.  Aging makes all the difference in venison.  


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« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2018, 03:22:30 PM »
Mike, marbling is the fat you see within the muscle. Look in the beef case at the grocery store and find a "USDA Prime" ribeye, it will have fat which runs through the meat, now compare that to a "USDA Select" strip steak - no fat running through the meat, very lean. The marbling gives the beef it's taste and texture.

As far as finishing a beef goes, getting it ready for harvest, especially on grass,  that is akin to asking a sawyer how to produce lumber, it's a mix of genetics, management, weather, and experience. 
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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2018, 04:16:31 PM »
.....And Nourishment.
I've finished beef (or participated to some degree) in almost every setting, from commercial feedlots to backyard Freezer Beef to 4H Steers (about the best quality beef we can have access to).
I've had to salvage beef from downer cows and accidental deaths, and harvested older cows.
I'm sorry, but I have no experience with trying to finish a steer by giving it grain in the last week or so. My experience has been to put steers on grain (as a supplement to roughage) for 5- 7 months before slaughter if you want to finish them as "Grain Fed".
As previously stated, there is some very good Grass fed beef out there, and genetics come into play.
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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2018, 09:53:16 PM »
Guys give me a hard time for having galloway both belted and non running around the farm but they finish out great on grass. So I keep a few around for the freezer. But around here nobody wants to pony up for freezer beef so I just do one or two for myself, the rest go to auction at weaning. 



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