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Log turning
« on: September 10, 2018, 01:50:04 AM »
so without a hydraulic turner, and a tree to big to turn with a cant hook, either bc of diameter, or just shear weight. what have people used to turn logs, especially if once the log is on the bed, the wind crack isn't lined up parallel to the blade/bed?

the other day when i went to get a pecan, i needed to roll the log to get it off my chain so i could bind the logs down for transport. I took my rubbing choker and placed the nub and bell on the back side, wedged the front side and started winching till it picked the log up enough to get my chain out.

asking because I'm going to run into this issue once i get my mill build, and i won't be putting a turner on it just yet, and also don't want to potentially mar up the live edge during turning, especially using something like the WM's freddy kruger finger style turner. plus both pecans weigh over 5000# and my tractor cant do much more, than just be a 10,000# anchor.
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Re: Log turning
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2018, 02:00:55 AM »
When I want to turn a cant and not mar it up or even turn a big log, I use my SkyTrak and a nylon strap/tow rope.  I have one that is a very big continuous loop made from about a 20' strap.  I put it around the log so it cinches underneath.  Then I lift while pulling away from the log stop.  That allows it to roll towards the stop.  I use it to support most of the weight so it doesn't slam down on the bed.

I now have a second, bigger, cant hook and plan to try a two-man, two-hook turn to see how that goes.
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Re: Log turning
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2018, 07:06:59 AM »
You might modify something like what I use with a tow strap.



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Re: Log turning
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2018, 07:53:01 AM »
Whatever you do you can not do without a couple of these:  Cant Hooks - Logrite Tools LLC
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Re: Log turning
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2018, 08:01:19 AM »
I have short woodmizer hook, but also homemade 6 foot hook made by former member here, gfadvm.  It probably wouldn’t do much with a 5000lb log though.  I plan to have a single hook on a chain to be able to turn logs on my mill with the tractor.  Should be able to turn logs that I can’t necessarily lift.
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Re: Log turning
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2018, 08:07:42 AM »
 

 
I regularly use these "Magic Hooks" that were repurposed from broken logging tongs.
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Re: Log turning
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2018, 08:10:31 AM »
This summer I had some 30 inch pine logs on my manual Baker sawmill. To turn those logs **easily** I put one or two wedges on the mill cross members and use a 4 ft log rite. The logs easily turn on the metal cross members and the wedges hold them in place. 
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Re: Log turning
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2018, 08:20:27 AM »
Some blocking across the mill frame parallel to the log and a pair of good rigging bars levering off the block will inch it around.  May have to scoot the log away from the backstops then roll towards them with the bars and repeat.


Or come in from the backstop side with your loader, hook a chain over the the center of the log, then curl back to parbuckle in place against the backstops.  If you can do so gently and without harm to mill or machine, let the front tires park against the mill frame so you dont jar it out of alignment or off any footings etc.  Just a bit more stabilization. 
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Re: Log turning
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2018, 08:29:36 AM »
What ljohnsaw said!
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Re: Log turning
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2018, 08:42:45 AM »
I thought about mounting an electric winch with a hook, then mount it to my carriage just to roll the log. But not sure its a good idea. Especially since I want something to be able to roll logs up the ramps to.
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Re: Log turning
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2018, 08:59:57 AM »
I have "reverse" turned a big/heavy log using a chain, Magic Hook, and log clamp.


 



 

When the clamp moved in the log was reverse turned against the side supports.  Works like a charm.  ;)
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Re: Log turning
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2018, 01:54:20 PM »
Charles,  Your tractor CAN turn those 5,000 pound logs.  Remember, it doesn't have to lift the logs, it just needs to roll them against the backstops.  Your tractor will handle that with ease.  The other posters have provided different rigging suggestions and they all work great.  I think the J hook is the least reliable option because it doesn't always bite into the log well enough...but they work.  

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Re: Log turning
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2018, 02:04:18 PM »
You very obviously have never used one. 
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Re: Log turning
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2018, 02:14:19 PM »
Wonder if Logrite will sell just the hook? That would be nice on the end of a cable
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Re: Log turning
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2018, 02:22:05 PM »
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Re: Log turning
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2018, 02:24:10 PM »
You beat me to MM...

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Re: Log turning
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2018, 02:32:12 PM »
Sweet, you guys are awesome. Thanx.
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Re: Log turning
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2018, 06:06:14 PM »
You very obviously have never used one. 
MM, your condescension seems inappropriate on this forum.   Actually, A "J" hook is what I  always use to turn the big ones, and they can have trouble biting into the wood. 

Wonder if Logrite will sell just the hook? That would be nice on the end of a cable
Crusarius, I just looked at my Logrite Cant Hooks and I think their hooks would work great on the end of a cable.  You may have to hammer the point into the log but they look thick enough to do the job.  Get their longest hook.

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Re: Log turning
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2018, 07:06:22 PM »
My apology to you if my words seemed harsh or were misinterpreted.  The backside of my hooks are shiny where they always get a rap or two with my hatchet before any load is applied.  The above pictures happened to be taken before such action took place. 

I said:  " Works like a charm."

You stated:  "I think the J hook is the least reliable option because it doesn't always bite into the log well enough...but they work."

I agree with you that "they work" but I fail to agree with you that they are in any way "unreliable".

I do not see "condescending" but I do see "disagreeing". 
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Re: Log turning
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2018, 07:51:25 PM »
and also don't want to potentially mar up the live edge during turning


Sounds like ljohnsaw's tow strap ls the best answer for this purpose.

The non marring log turner could be in demand with all the slab making going on, I'm thinking some sort of conveyer belts arranged in a V shape that would push up the log and turn it or a pair of wheels and tires.


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