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***I am new, didn't realize where I was posting. I reposted in Sawmills. Sorry***

I hope to get some help quickly here from folks. I have previously owned three CSMs, and one very small BSM, a Ripsaw, which helped me build our two story, post and beam, log-fill home. I am turning 60, I like milling, and my spouse has allowed me to give in to my need for a larger CSM. Wood is expensive on our island, and many items,like spalted alder (I built our kitchen cabinets with it) cannot be found anywhere near.
At about the same price point, I have to choose between the well established Woodmizer LT15 or the new Logosol B751. I wanted to like the Woodland HM130, but curiously (this is not the experience of most people on this board, I know), I didn't have very helpful or friendly contacts with their people, while the Logosol and Woodmizer folks were as kind and patient as you can get. Looked at Timberking and Norwood, but shipping was more than $1000 over the other two.
I will be milling mostly cedar, some Pacific Silver Fir, some Doug, a little bit of alder. Wood is tough on our island: you often have to drill lumber before you can nail it. In fact, I screw a lot of what I use.
So, experts, I have lurked long enough: I am pulling the trigger this week, but I need last minute help top calm the jitters. Go with the well-known, two-posts, strong bed WM LT15, or the slick, modern, four post B751?
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Re: Choosing my first real CSM: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2018, 11:06:36 PM »
Seems like this should be put in the Sawmilling Section.  

I had an LT15, it was a workhorse, never had any trouble with it, and it cut very accurately.  I sold it for almost what I paid for it new.   
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Re: Choosing my first real CSM: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2018, 12:10:14 AM »
Thanks for the reply. It is a good endorsement, I just do not plan to resell, though. At my age, this is my last mill. I like being able to talk to someone fairly close; WM has a shop just east of Portland OR.
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Re: Choosing my first real CSM: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2018, 12:36:01 AM »
Ok - so I am a skeptic by nature, good or bad it is what it is, and I will admit I hold the bar high for anything that I need to shell money out for, which is probably why I have come to where I do way too many things myself as I can be hard to please.  So enough with the self psychology.  What I am getting at is that I honestly can not say enough good about my customer service experiences with Woodmizer, both the dealer and the folks in Indy.  

The quality of my LT35 is exceptional, and yes I have had things wear out, but a phone call later and parts are on the way, usually getting here the next day if not two days at most.  Best example I can give you is when I had to replace brushes on the drive motor, it had 1800 hours on it and is rated for 1500.  My dealer -Marty- did not have the brushes on hand so he had Indy ship them to me, they arrived the next day and given my luck the fiberboard that holds the brushes in place was broken.  No way to tell if it was in transit or shipped that way.  I called Indy and told them about the problem - no questions asked, no photos needed, no return, they just shipped me a new set of brushes the same day.  

You can't beat that with a sticker, so I will remain loyal to them.  Oh - by the way I never needed a hydraulic mill, but bought my 35 knowing it would be way more than I ever would need, then I got a kiln - which I never needed - and an edger - Who would need that? - moved onto a moulder - and now I am in the market for a Super 70 Wide - this disease will progress so don't discount the idea of one day upgrading.  

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Re: Choosing my first real CSM: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2018, 08:22:50 AM »
I ran a LT15 for 14 years.  It is a great machine.  The powerfeed is well worth the $.  Well proven track record, no risks.
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Re: Choosing my first real CSM: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2018, 08:29:23 AM »
Thanks for the comments; you can't beat advice from people who have been there and done that. It seems I will have to go with the Woodmizer. I may even drive all the way to Portland and pick it up at their warehouse. 

Again, thanks for the time you spent responding.
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Re: Choosing my first real CSM: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2018, 08:32:45 AM »
+1 on Woodmizer.  Other companies may do equally well but would be hard pressed to do better with service and support.
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Re: Choosing my first real CSM: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2018, 08:42:00 AM »
There is an incredible video on the LT15 Wood-Mizer page: LINK
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Re: Choosing my first real CSM: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2018, 08:53:43 AM »
I don't really own a mill but I subcontract a helluva lot of sawing on our harvest sites.  This is my take on it:

To recap:  you're 60, you like to mill, this is going to be a significant expense for you, WM has a somewhat close by office.

Break down into 3 categories: Milling, optionality, time

Most mills today seem to make square lumber if the owner/miller knows what he is doing.  I haven't heard bad things about logosol and I'd expect it to be both simple & slick (spent time in scandinavia in forestry).  WM, however, is a different level of sawmill market penetration and savvy.

I'd buy the machine that solves the downside issues.  WM has local and recognized excellent service.  WM preserves contingency in case you want to upgrade or just need $.  The WM brand will sell quickly, even in a down market.  I cannot emphasize the importance of keeping that option open.  Selling an unusual product in a down market can take a very very long time and you have fortified liquidity.  A WM is as close to a liquid asset as you can find in sawmills.  You are not a spring chicken (many of us aren't, not being a jerk just reminding you of our all too ephemeral time) and for me I have no patience waiting 3 weeks on an esoteric part.  Logosol could exit the market just as quickly as they came into it.  By liquidity I mean at some price point that LT15 is going to sell, no matter how bad the economy, it will sell quickly at the right price.  The logosol might be difficult to move even in a good market.  


What do you plan to do with your time and what about the future?  Fix machines or mill?  What if you love it and it makes you $ and you have a chance to do more?  Because in my limited experience the mill is going to break, things are going to wear out and you'll find more demand for milled lumber than you expect.  Milling is tough on equipment and I'm frankly surprised at how much time is spent of fixing and repairing little things (my contractors use a variety of saws from WM to Lucas Swing mills).  I regret the downtime more than anything else and so for me I would look for the solution that is easiest to fix and upkeep.  I passed on a Rottne forwarder for just this reason, no service within 1000 miles.  

At your age and given implied capital constraints and desire to mill I think the WM would be the clear winner in an evaluation.  My evaluation really has nothing to do with milling lumber though and everything to do with owning a mill. Just my $0.02 and worth less than the time spent reading. :)

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Re: Choosing my first real CSM: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2018, 09:51:25 AM »
*DanG! I hope you folks understand how grateful I am for all the help. My wife and I were leaning to Logosol because it is so slick, but your arguments are moving me to Woodmizer. Frankly, the main thing that bothers me, and it is so small that I feel stupid writing it, is that you need to engage the band with a lever tilting the motor on the Woodmizer, while the Logosol uses a HD centrifugal clutch. Having to reach over for that lever after every cut worries me that I will get lazy about it. That said, if I drive down to Oregon, a two-day affair for me because of ferries, I would save $1070 getting the Woodmizer over the Logosol mill 
I am a teacher during the day (and the evenings, and the weekends...) but I am also a volunteer firefighter and lieutenant for over 35 years. I use and have seen some pretty heavy equipment over the years, and the KISS principle is ingrained in me: people, including me, make mistakes when tired or ... That's why I needed your help in choosing something that will be safe for me as I age and for my wife (she was raised on a ranch, she is a tough cookie, she will mill too). 

Anyway, got up at 4:00 to read more about this. Got to get to school; I appreciate all comments, sorry I run off at the keyboard. Please know that I carefully read all replies. If anybody could tell me  more about the clutch vs blade engagement lever conundrum, I would appreciate it. 
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Re: Choosing my first real CSM: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2018, 10:12:35 AM »
Morning. I have the lt15.
No you do not have to reach over to ingage the motor. It is on your left side were your up and down control is and vertical scales are.. the band tension is on the right side.

I bought mine abought 4 years ago. The first thing i milled on it was the 6x20 ft platform that i mounted it on.
I jusy got it level and made my beams and lots of 2x for the top.
Then i cut a 30 birch logs .
Then my sons log cabin.
Along with all other goods we need.
The fellows over in troutdale( i think that is the dealer your talking about.)
Will give you some good pointers.
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Re: Choosing my first real CSM: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2018, 10:20:01 AM »
Yeah if it is scandinavian it will be slick, my first international gig was in Finland.  That said if I was in your shoes I don't think it would even be a question.  

When the Scandinavian product is a market leader than it is a no brainer to me, like Ponsse...if I had the money I'd buy one.  If not the market leader...they can struggle due to scale issues.  Sometimes they struggle to find critical mass so they get reliant on international markets but fail to keep innovating (deadly combo). 
I'd take the savings and invest it in log moving.  To me that is the real elephant in the closet here.  Moving logs easily, moving lumber easily, moving waste material.  Keeping a neat yard, etc.  I'd invest as much in material handling as in the saw..just my $0.02 again.

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Re: Choosing my first real CSM: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2018, 11:00:26 AM »
Quick reply and thanks.
Nativewolf, I have a Kioti 25 with hydro tranny, 2475 backhoe and L130 loader for moving logs and whatever else. Not very big but most of my milling for my new shop and siding for the sheds will be 12 foot and under. Local logs rarely get over 26-28 inches, most of the cedar I will mill will be under 20". I moved some fir 20 foot 4 by 14 this summer with it (milled with my CSM) and I was fine. Do you think I will be okay with that setup?
At this point, my better half has switched her vote to the Woodmizer, after reading all the entries you folks kindly put in. I probably should jump on that sale they have right now. She thought I might want to wait for the Black Friday sale someone mentioned in another post, but I feel that the bird in the hand is the way to go.
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« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2018, 11:02:41 AM »
Quick reply and thanks.
Nativewolf, I have a Kioti 25 with hydro tranny, 2475 backhoe and L130 loader for moving logs and whatever else. Not very big but most of my milling for my new shop and siding for the sheds will be 12 foot and under. Local logs rarely get over 26-28 inches, most of the cedar I will mill will be under 20". I moved some fir 20 foot 4 by 14 this summer with it (milled with my CSM) and I was fine. Do you think I will be okay with that setup?
At this point, my better half has switched her vote to the Woodmizer, after reading all the entries you folks kindly put in. I probably should jump on that sale they have right now. She thought I might want to wait for the Black Friday sale someone mentioned in another post, but I feel that the bird in the hand is the way to go.
Sounds like that's a good setup for your sawmill.  Any saving could go to material handling tables (roller tables, etc) and building slab waste disposal stations 
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Re: Choosing my first real CSM: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2018, 11:30:57 AM »
We heat with wood, so the slabs are handy, and we need all the sawdust we can get for all the gardening, so I will build bins for that (with wood I mill ;D). Thanks for the hints.
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Re: Choosing my first real CSM: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2018, 01:48:55 PM »
you need to engage the band with a lever tilting the motor on the Woodmizer, while the Logosol uses a HD centrifugal clutch
There is no weak link and absolutely nothing to wear out with the tilting motor.  It is tried and proven to be bulletproof reliable.
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Re: Choosing my first real CSM: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2018, 07:25:12 PM »
So, at this time, I will be going with Woodmizer. I liked the folks at Bailey's but my main guy is on a business trip and I feel all you folks on the boards made things clear that Woodmizer should be my choice.

I found out that an ex-student has an LT15 on island; he is getting a circular mill as well but he won't sell his WM. He has the 25HP motor on it and says that a friend who has the smaller motor has problems with wavy cuts. The folks at WM said that out must be blade or speed related, not horsepower. I also asked about the Yanmar 10HP diesel and was told it was roughly equivalent to the 25HP.

I see on the forum that many people like the diesel and I am leaning that way, even though I don't expect to mill more than 50 hours a year. Winter is not that cold here, it rarely freezes and average temperatures in January are in the low 40s. My tractor is diesel. Beside the $800, any downside to the diesel? As you can tell, we are down to details before ordering.

Again many thanks. Also, you were right about WM customer service: I got almost immediate email responses. I think we are going to be happy.
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« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2018, 08:05:47 PM »
Torque is your friend when running a sawmill and diesels are known for their torque. I see no downside to that move for you.

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Re: Choosing my first real CSM: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2018, 08:46:34 PM »
I say it again, the powerfeed is a real productivity enhancement :)
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« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2018, 09:01:17 PM »
I've only ever run woodmizer mills. I'm very impressed with woodmizer. You will be happy with it. I've had experience with the logosol molders and I wasn't impressed 
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Re: Choosing my first real CSM: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2018, 10:35:06 PM »
My LT15 had a little 15 hp electric start with 7į bands and I could cut boards so thin and straight, they looked like paper and I could roll them into a circle.  So accuracy wonít be an issue.  I would recommend more hp, power feed and the trailer kit.  The trailer option will allow you to roll the machine under a shed to get it out of the weather, and also adds metal under the bed to reinforce the frame to keep it dead flat.  I started  our business with mine, cut a good bit with it, and always liked the ďfeelĒof it.  The power feed is like having a helper, as it frees up you up to stack the last board as itís cuttng the next.  
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2018, 07:51:53 PM »
I have ran an LT15 with the Yanmar 10hp engine, I would recommend it. The thing has good power and torque and sips fuel, we've never had any problems with it, even in the cold northern Maine winters.

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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2018, 02:22:48 PM »
I have two more question for all of you kind folks.

I am getting an LT15 mill. I want to get some log rite cant hooks, one 78" Megahook for sure, and a 30" Logrite mill hook or Woodchuck WCT04. Does anybody know if Woodmizer's Logrite hooks (not their own) are the Megahook Extremes or the standard? I see on Logrite's site that only the extreme is available in 78", and that's a length available through WM.

Second question: I tried to order my LT15 Friday afternoon, but I called too late. This give me until Monday to mull over my decision, and maybe get more help. The folks at WM were so helpful! That being said, they won't make the decision for you and I am still torn between the 19HP gas or the 10 HP Yanmar diesel. Remembering that I don't see myself milling much more than 50 hours per year on average, that I am turning 60 next week, that I live on an island where fuel is easily $1 more per gallon than the mainland, that ethanol-free is not available but that I always use Stabil and Gas-Tron enzyme treatment, I am still trying to justify going to the diesel, because of cost mostly. Any last minute thoughts?
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2018, 02:40:28 PM »
On the mega hook, I don't see a standard series 178" one at the Logrite web site.  It is only listed under the extreme duty series.  Mine is Logrite and has a much thicker wall tubing, like the wall is about 1/2" thick-I can see this because the rubber at the end has worn off),  than any of my other of their peavies.  So I would doubt WM is selling it in the standard version.  Besides the price on the WM store is about the same as the Logrite price for the extreme mega hook. 

On the diesel vs. gas keep in mind with diesel you eliminate some fuel storage issues compared to gas. Infrequent milling would argue more for diesel on that count.  Also fewer trips to the mainland on count of sawmill fuel,  and no disposing of old gas.  

Two thoughts, one, what do you enjoy more, the money saved on buying a tool, or satisfaction from having bought the one you really want (maybe these are the same thing depending on how you buy). Myself, I would get the diesel, if the engine has a reputation for reliability, and, I was sure that 10HP diesel had equal or better performance compared to the gas. 

Second, sometimes decisions seem hard when there isn't much difference between choices. 

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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2018, 02:48:59 PM »
Fuel additives will not remove the ethanol nor any absorbed water.  You might consider a fuel line disconnect, etc. where you can run the carburetor dry at the end of sawing sessions or before any extended idle time.

@MartyParsons might add his comments regarding the engine selection.  He being a Wood-Mizer dealer I am sure that he has experience with both options.

Your age argument will not stand up.  I was 59 when I bought mine and that was 16 years ago.
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« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2018, 02:56:43 PM »


Your age argument will not stand up.  I was 59 when I bought mine and that was 16 years ago.  ;D
You just gotta work smarter, not so much harder. ;D 82+ and still sawing and logging
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2018, 03:28:06 PM »
Fuel storage is always an issue whether gasoline or diesel.  Each has its own set of issues.  If I knew I could only get ethanol gasoline, I would go with the diesel.  There will be fewer fuel storage issues for diesel if you store it properly.

I'm 56 and plan on continuing to mill lumber for many more years.
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2018, 06:11:06 PM »
I myself would go with diesel. I have a Honda motor on my mill. Not used alot. Like once a year. Seem like everytime I go to use,fuel pump needs to be replaced.
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2018, 07:33:54 PM »
With a manual mill, that 78" megahook is a necessity. 
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2018, 09:54:26 AM »
Well, we pulled the trigger yesterday and ordered the Woodmizer LT15 with the Yanmar 10HP diesel. We also got 20 blades, a complete tune up kit (we live on an island and getting parts can be interesting), and 78" and 48" Logrite cant hooks; we are looking at 6 weeks or so for delivery. 

Through all the process of deciding which mill with which company, I found Brett Lottman and James Guerard to be the deciding factor in choosing Woodmizer: never pushy, very patient, and helpful. They never put down the other companies but were always doing business with us as if our satisfaction was the key element. Some of the other companies did not match their customer service: some forgot to call back or write back, some were extremely pushy and badmouthing everybody else, some were basically rude and dismissive, especially when we didn't want a giant mill with all hydraulics.

We especially want to thank all the contributors to the thread above: my better half and I read all the messages one last time before calling Mr. Guerard and we were consistently grateful for all the time and thought you put in answering my questions. This purchase may not seem to be much for you guys who mill a lot and have big sawmills, but it is a massive portion of our yearly income and the care you put in helping us decide was gratifying. If we did not buy exactly what you felt was right, please understand that we may have seen something in our situation who made a different decision better for us: we are not doubting your expertise. 

I am afraid you may have caused yourself a lot of work: I know I will be back for more help. Again, many thanks, thanks to the moderators of the board, and our thanks to the sponsors.
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2018, 01:30:33 PM »
I would recommend that you spend much time reading the operator's manuals, etc. and familiarize yourself with the various definitions and adjustments.   :P  Also remember that here on the Forestry Forum the only dumb question is an unasked question.   :)
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« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2018, 01:33:49 PM »
You will like it!!
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2018, 02:23:47 PM »
Nice and congratulations!  It is a fine mill.  

Did you get the trailer kit?  If not then I would spend some time and lay out a flat and stable pad of some kind, concrete, steel, crossties, etc for the mill to sit on.  The bed is welded, but comes in sections, and the sections need to be bolted together flat and true.  It also helps to get it a little off the ground so you donít have to bend over as much.  A roof or tarp is always nice to have to protect it from elements.  

Time to start gathering up some logs!  Then every now and then for the next few weeks, fire the old CSM and make a few cuts so you donít forget how much work it takes, and how slow, noisy and dirty it is.  Then when you get the LT15, and make the first boards, you wonít be able to wipe the happy grin off your face.   8)
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2018, 05:20:34 PM »
Thanks for the replies, folks.

Yellowhammer, I did not get the trailer kit for a few reasons, one of them is that I am afraid of it leaving the property too easily when I am away with students, or having a hard time saying no to people who want "just a few logs milled" at their place. I also did not quite want to spend the extra $2000. I have a good spot graded, and I am getting some heavy pyramid concrete blocks to keep it off the ground and level.

Does anyone know where I can go online to get user manuals and assembly manuals? I do not see that on the WM website.
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2018, 05:47:00 PM »
Call WM indianapolis and ask someone in either parts or tech support to email them to you, they will happily do it while you're on the phone.  I dont think you can get them by yourself.  If you haven't already, ask them to have your new mill registered in your name so you can log in to your account and see it in the parts finder.
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2018, 06:02:06 PM »
Congratulations on the new mill!  You will wonder why you even tried the CSM.  My CSM days are like a nightmare compared to band saw milling. You will likely run across times when the CSM is the right tool.

There are several good video series on YouTube on the LT15.  You might also ask your Wood-mizer dealer to go ahead and send the training CD and the manuals.

Yellowhammer's suggestion to get your site ready is spot on.  Also consider collecting your sawmill tools - things like 
tape measures 
lumber crayons 
a big Sheetrock joint compound knife (to scrape sawdust off boards)
a couple of long handle scrub brushes(to brush sawdust off and out of the mill)
a small framing square 
a spray bottle to spray automatic transmission fluid for lube for the mill(Wood-mizer recommended)
a magnetic mechanics tray to hold measuring tape and other tools
some plastic felling wedges (you will need these to open a kerf to back out of a cut)
a hatchet and/or a carpenter's axe to drive the wedges and to trim that odd limb or knot that gets in the way
Hearing protection
Steel or composite toe shoes (there will come a time you appreciate them)
Wedges to chock logs to keep them from rolling 

There are other tools others may think of or use that I haven't mentioned.  After purchasing my mill, I soon realized it takes several more tools to make the sawing happen.  I have dedicated tools to the mill so I don't have to go looking for them.  Looking for tools kills productivity.

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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2018, 08:03:56 PM »
Several busted toes later, +1 on the composite toe shoes :)
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« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2018, 09:03:00 PM »
Way to go ! Well thought out decision.  You will be happy.  Excited for you and good decisions on the cant hooks.

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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2018, 10:54:45 PM »
Does anyone know where I can go online to get user manuals and assembly manuals?
Just call your dealer and see if he can get them sent to you.
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2018, 01:04:46 AM »
2014 LT14go owner here.  I went with Woodmizer because they have a long experience record, so I expected them to know what they're doing by now.  They had good customer service reviews, many locations, and are here in the US.

The LT15 is a good manual mill.  The only negatives in my opinion are that they didn't supply and hour meter on the mill, yet all the maintenance is in hour intervals.  The other negative is that they don't make a hydraulics upgrade for the mill.  As I gained experience, I would have purchased upgrades.  If you want hydraulics, you have to make them yourself.  They also don't come with stainless covers for the cross rails.  I'd like a set of those.  They also don't offer a manual toe board option, but I've purchase one from an LT28, but haven't mounted it yet to be able to review it properly.  One of the positive is that you can use the MP100 beam planer with this mill.
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« Reply #40 on: September 20, 2018, 01:33:33 PM »
One more time, thanks for all the help and hints. 

For those of you who mentioned the great and quick service at WoodMizer, here is an anecdote. I emailed Mr. Guerard at the Oregon shop at 4:48, asking for the manuals, as suggested by Magicman. By 4:56, he had sent all four files and manuals with exactly what I needed to start setting up the base for my mill. That is beyond good service. Meanwhile, one of the companies who wanted to sell me a mill as not gotten back to my last email from last week.
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« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2018, 01:23:40 AM »
Bought Lt15 start mill in Feb. Found extra rail section nearby.  Set up was easy,cuts accurate lumber, use woodmizer blades double hard no problems.  Made my own blade sharpener from an adjustable electric chainsaw sharpener. Only drawback was it was manual push, No problem I just used a 1hp ac reversible  electric motor, gear reducer, shafting ,drive sprocket , 4 idler sprockets #40 roller chain and reversing drum switch, then  used existing holes and end brackets . Ends on roller chain met in the middle hole of carriage frame, I did mount the switch above the push bar so I can walk with it to feel and observe the cut from behind or front for that matter. I will install two lever activated kill switches on each end next week.  So far it cuts like a dream, no pushing.  I am glad I chose the start vs the regular LT15 money saved, but things just fell into place.  As far as quality and engineering and service I am well pleased.


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