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Re: Choosing my first real CSM: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2018, 10:35:06 PM »
My LT15 had a little 15 hp electric start with 7° bands and I could cut boards so thin and straight, they looked like paper and I could roll them into a circle.  So accuracy won’t be an issue.  I would recommend more hp, power feed and the trailer kit.  The trailer option will allow you to roll the machine under a shed to get it out of the weather, and also adds metal under the bed to reinforce the frame to keep it dead flat.  I started  our business with mine, cut a good bit with it, and always liked the “feel”of it.  The power feed is like having a helper, as it frees up you up to stack the last board as it’s cuttng the next.  
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2018, 07:51:53 PM »
I have ran an LT15 with the Yanmar 10hp engine, I would recommend it. The thing has good power and torque and sips fuel, we've never had any problems with it, even in the cold northern Maine winters.

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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2018, 02:22:48 PM »
I have two more question for all of you kind folks.

I am getting an LT15 mill. I want to get some log rite cant hooks, one 78" Megahook for sure, and a 30" Logrite mill hook or Woodchuck WCT04. Does anybody know if Woodmizer's Logrite hooks (not their own) are the Megahook Extremes or the standard? I see on Logrite's site that only the extreme is available in 78", and that's a length available through WM.

Second question: I tried to order my LT15 Friday afternoon, but I called too late. This give me until Monday to mull over my decision, and maybe get more help. The folks at WM were so helpful! That being said, they won't make the decision for you and I am still torn between the 19HP gas or the 10 HP Yanmar diesel. Remembering that I don't see myself milling much more than 50 hours per year on average, that I am turning 60 next week, that I live on an island where fuel is easily $1 more per gallon than the mainland, that ethanol-free is not available but that I always use Stabil and Gas-Tron enzyme treatment, I am still trying to justify going to the diesel, because of cost mostly. Any last minute thoughts?
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2018, 02:40:28 PM »
On the mega hook, I don't see a standard series 178" one at the Logrite web site.  It is only listed under the extreme duty series.  Mine is Logrite and has a much thicker wall tubing, like the wall is about 1/2" thick-I can see this because the rubber at the end has worn off),  than any of my other of their peavies.  So I would doubt WM is selling it in the standard version.  Besides the price on the WM store is about the same as the Logrite price for the extreme mega hook. 

On the diesel vs. gas keep in mind with diesel you eliminate some fuel storage issues compared to gas. Infrequent milling would argue more for diesel on that count.  Also fewer trips to the mainland on count of sawmill fuel,  and no disposing of old gas.  

Two thoughts, one, what do you enjoy more, the money saved on buying a tool, or satisfaction from having bought the one you really want (maybe these are the same thing depending on how you buy). Myself, I would get the diesel, if the engine has a reputation for reliability, and, I was sure that 10HP diesel had equal or better performance compared to the gas. 

Second, sometimes decisions seem hard when there isn't much difference between choices. 

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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2018, 02:48:59 PM »
Fuel additives will not remove the ethanol nor any absorbed water.  You might consider a fuel line disconnect, etc. where you can run the carburetor dry at the end of sawing sessions or before any extended idle time.

@MartyParsons might add his comments regarding the engine selection.  He being a Wood-Mizer dealer I am sure that he has experience with both options.

Your age argument will not stand up.  I was 59 when I bought mine and that was 16 years ago.
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2018, 02:56:43 PM »


Your age argument will not stand up.  I was 59 when I bought mine and that was 16 years ago.  ;D
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2018, 03:28:06 PM »
Fuel storage is always an issue whether gasoline or diesel.  Each has its own set of issues.  If I knew I could only get ethanol gasoline, I would go with the diesel.  There will be fewer fuel storage issues for diesel if you store it properly.

I'm 56 and plan on continuing to mill lumber for many more years.
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2018, 06:11:06 PM »
I myself would go with diesel. I have a Honda motor on my mill. Not used alot. Like once a year. Seem like everytime I go to use,fuel pump needs to be replaced.
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2018, 07:33:54 PM »
With a manual mill, that 78" megahook is a necessity. 
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2018, 09:54:26 AM »
Well, we pulled the trigger yesterday and ordered the Woodmizer LT15 with the Yanmar 10HP diesel. We also got 20 blades, a complete tune up kit (we live on an island and getting parts can be interesting), and 78" and 48" Logrite cant hooks; we are looking at 6 weeks or so for delivery. 

Through all the process of deciding which mill with which company, I found Brett Lottman and James Guerard to be the deciding factor in choosing Woodmizer: never pushy, very patient, and helpful. They never put down the other companies but were always doing business with us as if our satisfaction was the key element. Some of the other companies did not match their customer service: some forgot to call back or write back, some were extremely pushy and badmouthing everybody else, some were basically rude and dismissive, especially when we didn't want a giant mill with all hydraulics.

We especially want to thank all the contributors to the thread above: my better half and I read all the messages one last time before calling Mr. Guerard and we were consistently grateful for all the time and thought you put in answering my questions. This purchase may not seem to be much for you guys who mill a lot and have big sawmills, but it is a massive portion of our yearly income and the care you put in helping us decide was gratifying. If we did not buy exactly what you felt was right, please understand that we may have seen something in our situation who made a different decision better for us: we are not doubting your expertise. 

I am afraid you may have caused yourself a lot of work: I know I will be back for more help. Again, many thanks, thanks to the moderators of the board, and our thanks to the sponsors.
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2018, 01:30:33 PM »
I would recommend that you spend much time reading the operator's manuals, etc. and familiarize yourself with the various definitions and adjustments.   :P  Also remember that here on the Forestry Forum the only dumb question is an unasked question.   :)
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« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2018, 01:33:49 PM »
You will like it!!
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2018, 02:23:47 PM »
Nice and congratulations!  It is a fine mill.  

Did you get the trailer kit?  If not then I would spend some time and lay out a flat and stable pad of some kind, concrete, steel, crossties, etc for the mill to sit on.  The bed is welded, but comes in sections, and the sections need to be bolted together flat and true.  It also helps to get it a little off the ground so you don’t have to bend over as much.  A roof or tarp is always nice to have to protect it from elements.  

Time to start gathering up some logs!  Then every now and then for the next few weeks, fire the old CSM and make a few cuts so you don’t forget how much work it takes, and how slow, noisy and dirty it is.  Then when you get the LT15, and make the first boards, you won’t be able to wipe the happy grin off your face.   8)
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2018, 05:20:34 PM »
Thanks for the replies, folks.

Yellowhammer, I did not get the trailer kit for a few reasons, one of them is that I am afraid of it leaving the property too easily when I am away with students, or having a hard time saying no to people who want "just a few logs milled" at their place. I also did not quite want to spend the extra $2000. I have a good spot graded, and I am getting some heavy pyramid concrete blocks to keep it off the ground and level.

Does anyone know where I can go online to get user manuals and assembly manuals? I do not see that on the WM website.
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2018, 05:47:00 PM »
Call WM indianapolis and ask someone in either parts or tech support to email them to you, they will happily do it while you're on the phone.  I dont think you can get them by yourself.  If you haven't already, ask them to have your new mill registered in your name so you can log in to your account and see it in the parts finder.
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2018, 06:02:06 PM »
Congratulations on the new mill!  You will wonder why you even tried the CSM.  My CSM days are like a nightmare compared to band saw milling. You will likely run across times when the CSM is the right tool.

There are several good video series on YouTube on the LT15.  You might also ask your Wood-mizer dealer to go ahead and send the training CD and the manuals.

Yellowhammer's suggestion to get your site ready is spot on.  Also consider collecting your sawmill tools - things like 
tape measures 
lumber crayons 
a big Sheetrock joint compound knife (to scrape sawdust off boards)
a couple of long handle scrub brushes(to brush sawdust off and out of the mill)
a small framing square 
a spray bottle to spray automatic transmission fluid for lube for the mill(Wood-mizer recommended)
a magnetic mechanics tray to hold measuring tape and other tools
some plastic felling wedges (you will need these to open a kerf to back out of a cut)
a hatchet and/or a carpenter's axe to drive the wedges and to trim that odd limb or knot that gets in the way
Hearing protection
Steel or composite toe shoes (there will come a time you appreciate them)
Wedges to chock logs to keep them from rolling 

There are other tools others may think of or use that I haven't mentioned.  After purchasing my mill, I soon realized it takes several more tools to make the sawing happen.  I have dedicated tools to the mill so I don't have to go looking for them.  Looking for tools kills productivity.

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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2018, 08:03:56 PM »
Several busted toes later, +1 on the composite toe shoes :)
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2018, 09:03:00 PM »
Way to go ! Well thought out decision.  You will be happy.  Excited for you and good decisions on the cant hooks.

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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2018, 10:54:45 PM »
Does anyone know where I can go online to get user manuals and assembly manuals?
Just call your dealer and see if he can get them sent to you.
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Re: Choosing my first real bandsaw mill: Logosol B751 or Woodmizer LT15
« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2018, 01:04:46 AM »
2014 LT14go owner here.  I went with Woodmizer because they have a long experience record, so I expected them to know what they're doing by now.  They had good customer service reviews, many locations, and are here in the US.

The LT15 is a good manual mill.  The only negatives in my opinion are that they didn't supply and hour meter on the mill, yet all the maintenance is in hour intervals.  The other negative is that they don't make a hydraulics upgrade for the mill.  As I gained experience, I would have purchased upgrades.  If you want hydraulics, you have to make them yourself.  They also don't come with stainless covers for the cross rails.  I'd like a set of those.  They also don't offer a manual toe board option, but I've purchase one from an LT28, but haven't mounted it yet to be able to review it properly.  One of the positive is that you can use the MP100 beam planer with this mill.
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