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« on: September 17, 2018, 05:20:54 PM »
I have searched for the last half hour for a photo of a blade storage box one of you gentlemen built. It was a flat pack type box. 

Used the search tool and I found photos of the Magic Can and Peterís sharpening shop but not the storage box. 

Could someone post that photo for me?  
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2018, 05:48:50 PM »
Check page 3 in WV Sawmiller's gallery. I also believe that Chuck White has one.

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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2018, 06:01:10 PM »
That's it!  Exactly what I'm looking for!

Thank you MM!
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2018, 06:05:22 PM »
I have searched for the last half hour for a photo of a blade storage box one of you gentlemen built. It was a flat pack type box.

Used the search tool and I found photos of the Magic Can and Peterís sharpening shop but not the storage box.

Could someone post that photo for me?  

Think it might be my box.

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I am thinking of building a new one just a bit bigger in terms of the blades it will hold.
I will go and inch longer and wider with a inch more space between the keeper posts in the middle and I will use 1/2 inch plywood for the lid this time and 1/4" for the bottom. This box holds 15 blades But it gets a bit tight with that many. Even a 1/2 inch bigger would help. Not that I need more space BUT then all my blades will be in the same place. Also would put a piano hinge on it with a cleaner latch that doesn't catch on things. 

If you ain't livin on the edge you are takin up way to much room. Of course at my age if I get too close to that edge any more theres a good chance I may fall off.
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2018, 06:19:54 PM »
  Yeah, since I don't do real good about policing my gallery here.

 I first made a double sided box and it was too heavy so I rebuilt them for one roll of bands. I used 1" X 1" stickers for sides and connected with $5 piano hinges. I used thin cut pine or poplar I sawed myself for sides. I cut 45's from 1" squares 1X6's for corners and put 2 rope handles in the middle so when I lift I close the box.


 


 


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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2018, 06:22:05 PM »
Bandit that's a very well thought design.   I like the blade keeper.

I'm building at least two.  
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2018, 06:25:03 PM »
Howard, yours was the original one I was thinking a about. 

I'll post photos of mine when I finish one tomorrow.  
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2018, 06:29:25 PM »
Bandit that's a very well thought design.   I like the blade keeper.

I'm building at least two.  
Thanks Ted! Not sure who built the first one but I got tired of the coils in the back of the truck catching on every thing so I just did a hard, permanent shell of the Woodmizer shipping box. Did it in spring 2015
 
Its glued with that Gorilla Ultra Glue and I used 3/8" construction grade sheathing. Think I'd go G1S next time and varnish it to make it easier to keep clean.
Size wise the extra inch would not add a lot of weight for the box BUT 5 more blades will make it a bit harder to lift.
 
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2018, 07:22:42 PM »
I make these simple boxes to keep flat pack blades in.  The blades slide in and out of the opening in the top of the box. Two pieces of 1/4" underlayment or lauan 30" x 36.5", stapled to three pieces of 9/16" x 1-1/2" pine (30" sides, 2 pieces, and 35-3/8" bottom, 1 piece), with 1/2" galvanized 1/4" crown staples.  The hole is 3-1/2" centered, top of hole 6" below top of box, both sides, for a nice handle.  

These simple boxes are very handy for carrying plenty of blades of each style in the back of the truck standing against the side.  They hold up really well if they are kept dry (I put a sheet of rubber roofing over all of them when they are left in the truck in the rain). When left in the truck frequently for extended periods water will get to the bottom and delaminate the plywood where it is stapled to the bottom pine strip, this wears them out in 2-3 years.  But I have never had rusty blades because of this.

I can make 3 of these boxes from 2 sheets of underlayment in about an hour.  They are as functional as I need them to be, add little extra weight to the blades,  and it is no trouble to take 4 or 5 boxes of blades along if desired.   They keep the flat packs safely under control in the truck and at home even next to my wife's bicycle.


  

 



 
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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2018, 07:24:46 PM »
I'll have to snap a picture of mine.  I made it double sided - holds sharp blades on one side and dull on the other.  I don't like the blades pointing down into the plywood on the sharp ones.  Its just too hard to slide them around when loading or unloading.  I made mine with wood holding the blades in (where the metal clip is normally located) and an additional block to hold the loop up where they touch at the "top" of the box.  I've got 14 blades in mine right now and its pretty heavy.  I have another 10 or 12 in a very old WM box.
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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2018, 07:37:43 PM »
The storage box that I made is for storing coiled bands!

There are a few pictures of it in my gallery!
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« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2018, 08:14:33 PM »
ljohnsaw,

  My first set were doubles about 4" deep with one hook angle on each side but I found they were too heavy so I rebuild as singles. My first attempt I made the same size as the cardboard box they came in from WM but I forgot I lost 4" due to the strips so I rebuilt about 6" longer and that was too long. I used Luann for sides but when I rebuilt I figured why buy what i can make so made some 3/8" siding. My current size is 34" X 36" OD which means 32" X 34" ID and seems to be about the right size.

  Based on other notes I saw I also keep my spare drive belts, band wheel belts and a spare drive belt in the open spaces in the "butterflies". That works good too.

TT,

  The sleeves look nice but you have to remove all the bands to get one. I remove mine one band at a time leaving the others intact.

  Sleeves, folding boxes (Single or Double), or Magic Cans all work. It is largely personal preference but at least viewers see some different options and can make their own choice.
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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2018, 08:51:24 PM »
I usually use several blades of a given style in a day of sawing. I donít put them back in the boxes until the end of the day. The blades packed or unpacked always stay vertical.

One or two flat packs lean up against their  boxes against the tire of my truck and a fresh blade is removed one at a time from its pack as needed. When I start packing up, the packs just slide back in their boxes and the boxes slide down in the truck over the side wall. 
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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2018, 08:58:55 PM »
This is the first blade storage boxes that I remember seeing.

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« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2018, 09:27:47 PM »
Lynn,

   Thanks for posting this one. I had seen the center "Clips" or "posts" and keep meaning to add them to my boxes and maybe now I will get off my duff and add them to mine.
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« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2018, 10:09:03 PM »
Just for fun, here is another of pnyberg's mods when he wanted a way to haul his arch on his sawmill:

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« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2018, 11:30:27 PM »
Reading all the different information on the fourm about blades and blade performance got me to step outside of my normal supplier this year and try some different blades. I ordered some Kasco 4*s and was surprised if not shocked when I recieved my first flat pack case of blades. I had only purchased coiled blades prior to that. I really liked these blades and delt with the cardboard flat pack best I could. Fast forward to August at the Forestry Forum pig roast where I ended up winning two cases of Woodmizer blades, again shipped in flat packs. Well for me the flat packs are a bit cumbersome, and trying to store them and haul them around in that cardboard box just isnít the best situation in the back of the pickup. So this weekend I gathered a few materials and used some of the design ideas from this topic to make the two flat pack storage boxes below.



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I used 1/4Ē ply and some miscellaneous 7/8Ēx 1 1/2Ē material I had around my mill. I mostly followed WV Sawmillerís design with piano hinges and rope handles. I left some storage pockets in the corners for a bag of moisture wicking silica and some cable ties. In the future I think I will also make a couple of the flat pack sleeves like  Terrifictimbersllc has for storing bands awaiting resharpening. Hopefully this will make storing and transporting flat packs a bit easier for me. Iím looking forward to giving some of these new Woodmizer blades a try. 
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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2018, 07:08:38 AM »
Good job, they really look nice and sturdy!  ;)
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« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2018, 07:55:00 AM »
   You can store your spare belts in those big loops on the bands too. Hope it works well for you. Thanks for posting.
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« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2018, 06:09:35 PM »
I have to confess I started my first box before I started this topic. The result is a box I already donít like. The inside is too small and the whole thing is too heavy.  

Using the examples here, Iíll have to make some bigger and lighter. 

 

  
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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2018, 07:08:10 AM »
In the future I think I will also make a couple of the flat pack sleeves like  Terrifictimbersllc has for storing bands awaiting resharpening.
For sharpened blades, not for dull ones.  Usually take 3-5 boxes, that's up to 75 blades if all were full-they're not all full usually- which take up little bed space in truck.  Why multiple boxes: Usually one for 4s, one 7Ts, one with "spruce blades (7Ts set at 30-35), maybe an extra box of 4s or 7s if other has few blades, or a box of 9s or 10s I'm using up.  I'm loading up for 2 or 3 days sometimes. Also certain customers give me wood that eats blades.  Make sure I don't need to come home to get more blades. 


 
Blades in action.  Lift box over side of truck, set on ground by tire.  Tip blades back against legs and remove one from the back side.    Again take little extra space and little extra walking around. No looking for a place to open the box or bending over to the ground.   Works for me, your results may vary.


  
Dull bands get laid uncoiled in back of truck, I put my mega hook through them to make sure they all get home. :o :o :o After that, they get additionally cleaned if needed, treated for any damage etc, then hung up by the sharpener usually before I go into the house.  No packaging up dull bands.
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« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2018, 02:23:10 PM »

   
Dull bands get laid uncoiled in back of truck, I put my mega hook through them to make sure they all get home. :o :o :o 
:D :D :D That made my day! I'm glad it has happened to someone else besides me. On the bright side I saw it blow out and recovered it before anyone had the chance to run it over ;).

Your flat pack sleeve system makes sense to me and sounds like it works well for you. Thanks for taking the time to explain how you use them and how you remove a blade from the bundle.  
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« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2018, 02:36:32 PM »
That made my day! I'm glad it has happened to someone else besides me. On the bright side I saw it blow out and recovered it before anyone had the chance to run it over .
What you are suggesting never happened to me except in my imagination, thankfully.  Actually it would have been something that happened to someone behind me, should it have happened, which it didn't. 
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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2018, 11:38:47 AM »
 Update on my blade storage and transport frustration.  I built a flat pack type box that works ok for about 4 blades. Maybe it was my execution but I didnít like it.  Seems like it is always on the bottom in the bed of the truck. 

I thought about an old cooler which wasnít big enough.  I considered the Magic-can but was trying to avoid coiling blades. 

Then I was in the basement this morning.  Sitting in my way was an empty Sterilite storage bin.   So I have to resort to coiling blades but the 40 gallon tote holds a dozen or more blades.  






 
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« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2018, 01:32:28 PM »
I would not use that without two blades back to back and then with cardboard spacers to protect the teeth.  
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« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2018, 01:56:08 PM »
Magic man, we are on the same wave length on that.  Iíve been collecting cardboard this afternoon. 
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« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2018, 02:42:00 PM »
Cardboard added.  This will have to suffice for tomorrowís mobile job.



 
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« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2018, 03:31:44 PM »
Ted,

Good luck with your new band box. I hope it works well for you.

I always load my blades in my truck as the last item in their flat box(es). I have the spare mill tire. chainsaw, leaf blower, wood blocks and jack in front. There is room for a 5 gallon gas can on one side and my big tool box on the other. When I disconnect from the mill I pull the truck forward a few feet, drop the tailgate, slide the band box out about half way till it is even with the end of the tailgate and raise one side of my box to access the blades. If I take more than one hook angle and multiple boxes I keep the one on top that I use most. I take my blades out one at a time and at the end of the day I just slide them back into the bed of my truck. This way I never really take but one blade at a time off the box/truck once loaded and the rest stay in the box in the truck for the return trip. I set the dull blades aside and load them last at the end of the job with my Logrite through them to hold them down. When I get home I put them in the Used box for storage till I get a box full to send to re-sharp. I send my blades back in one box regardless of hook angle and when returned they are marked by WM and I separate out by hook angle.

As they wear out I am replacing all my 7 & 10 degree blades with 4 degree doublehards and plan on standardizing on that one blade over time as they work best for everything for me.

  In fact, I try to lay a nylon tarp down first then put my tools and bands on that then fold the top of the tarp over it all in case it rains between the time I load up and travel. I throw my mill cover on last and weight it down with tools in case I end up leaving the mill overnight and need to cover it.
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Re: Blade storage box
« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2018, 03:47:04 PM »
Managing the blade organization is one thing that hasnít come easy. It has been a mild but continuous aggravation.  Itís funny how little thought sawmill manufacturers give to to it especially for mobile operations

Had the best luck loading blades last and strapping them upright in the flat box against the tailgate.  My concern became rain and managing dull blades.  
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Re: Blade storage box
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2018, 04:06:50 PM »
   Yeah, my boxes are always laid flat and not upright except when I am carrying them on storing them in the barn when I return home. The tarp keeps them dry during travel. 

    I have talked about but have not yet built me a dry storage bin for them. I figure a couple of pegs and a couple of low wattage light bulbs would keep them dry. Once I standardize on one blade/hook angle that will be easier - just a 1X6 or 1X8 shadow box affair with 2 wood dowels on top for the double loop of the clover leaf to hang over and a couple of light fixtures for light bulbs - shielded so I don't break them every time I take a roll of bands down. 
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Dad always said "You can shear a sheep a bunch of times but you can only skin him once"


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