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Which Small Echo Saw?
« on: October 14, 2018, 05:11:21 AM »
I've been pondering a replacement for my PoulanPro. It hasn't been running great, and the vibration has been bothering me more than it once did. It's paid for itself a couple times over, so it may be time to simply move on.

I'm pretty certain I want an echo. I like their reputation, warranty, parts availability, and price, but I'm having trouble deciding on which model. My PP is 42cc, so that's the rough target I'm looking at as far as weight goes, and I'm thinking a 16" bar. The option of 18" would be nice, but that's getting into the territory of my ms362s, so probably not necessary. The obvious answer would be the cs400. That's almost a direct replacement for my PP. BUT... there's the cs490. Only .5# heavier, and 10cc bigger. I could also go smaller with something like the cs352. I lose the 18" bar option, but also lose ~1# of weight. Then there's something like the cs361P. A touch bigger than the 352, but ~$150 more. Is it that much better?

What gives me pause, is echo seems overly optimistic with their bar lengths. I'm not sure what I'd need to have a solid runner with a 16" bar. Looking to save a few dollars, hence going echo, but I'll spend the money if it's worth it(say picking the 361P over the 352). I'd also consider a top handle. Whatever I get may go into a tree with me, but I'm not a pro, and it isn't something I'd often do. Top handles don't look as nice to use on the ground, but I've never laid hands on one. Suggestions?

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Re: Which Small Echo Saw?
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2018, 06:35:03 AM »
 
 Just get a Echo CS400, open up the muff a little , pull the limiter caps and tune right. Its the saw everyone that run it loves.  On a good scale full of fuel with bars and chain the CS400 is right at 13#.  The Cs490 500 501 are at 14  3/4#.  The Cs490 500p 501 are good saws also also need to open up the muff and tune good.  They take along time to break in, maybe 10 tanks or so.  The CS352 is really light but is not built as good as a CS400 and not near as strong cutting, but with a muff modd which really wake them up they cut good for 33cc. I use mine a lot around the mill cutting up slabs and trimming boards.  They all start and run great with very little trouble. Steve
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2018, 07:41:59 AM »
Thanks. That's pretty helpful. I'm probably overthinking it. I was happy with the PP, and I'd probably be happier with the cs400. I spend so much time trying to get things perfect, I get purchase paralysis. That's how I ended up with my Stihl. After looking, looking, debating, debating, I said "whatever. I'll get the dealer to tell me". Went to Husky first, and they were closed, so I went to the Stihl dealer, took his first suggestion, and it worked out pretty well. Sometimes it's better being lucky than being skillful  :^D

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Re: Which Small Echo Saw?
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2018, 08:51:40 AM »
Why not split the difference between the cs 400 and cs 490, the cs 4510, it looks like a newly remodeled saw.
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Re: Which Small Echo Saw?
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2018, 09:28:48 AM »
Why not split the difference between the cs 400 and cs 490, the cs 4510, it looks like a newly remodeled saw.
Looks like the 4510 weighs more than the 490. Weight isn't everything, but I have the 362 as a big saw, so I'm trying to stay far away from that class. I should just delete the 18" bar from the wish list. I have 20" for the 362, and that's close enough.

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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2018, 09:54:58 AM »

 Yes I think the 4510 weighs quite a bit more than the CS400 ready to cut.   Steve
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Re: Which Small Echo Saw?
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2018, 10:13:07 AM »
I think they all over size thier bars when it comes to a small saw.
I bought a 3 pt winch with 6 eight foot chains for a 40 hp tractor. Kinda hard to fill all 6 chains,with logs that need a 8 foot chain. But it does look good. :)
I have a 50cc Efco,that I won on here. Came with a 18 inch bar. 16 would of been cheaper and better. But the 18 does comes in handy,but not something to be buried in wood all the time. It's not made for it. I do have a big saw,but that Efco gets to see alot of wood.
Two saws are nice,one small,one big. Small one is easier on the body. When the Efco dies,I will get a saw and I will get a 16 inch bar for it. 16 inch bars and chains are cheaper than 18 inch.
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Re: Which Small Echo Saw?
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2018, 11:02:30 AM »
I have all the brands including Echo.  Bought a cs590 from a dealer who services my zero turn mower a couple years ago and am happy with it.  This year I needed something smaller for thinning, blazing and tops so got this cs2511T.  What a great lil saw. Powerful 25cc and so lightweight you can work it for hours. It was the same price I paid for the cs590.


 

 
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Re: Which Small Echo Saw?
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2018, 02:01:50 PM »
Personally, I would go with the CS 400 and skip the 18" bar. yeah, you can run one on it, but a 16" bar is a much better match in terms of balance and power for the CS 400. Plus, you don't really need this saw to go bigger if you have an ms362.
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Re: Which Small Echo Saw?
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2018, 08:35:31 PM »
I have the CS2511T and it is my most used saw.

But my voice of unreason tells me the CS 361P with a 14" bar is what I need next, to fill the under 50cc void. 
The 361 has a bigger motor than the 352, but is a much more slender saw. And lighter weight also.
The 352 looks bigger than the 490.

Obviously the CS400 is the more sensible choice. I got a 40cc Stihl 009L with a 12" bar. And a CS352 with 16" bar that I will sell.

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Re: Which Small Echo Saw?
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2018, 12:50:55 PM »
Got to put a cs400 in my hand today at the hardware store. I think that'll be the perfect machine. It's as light as I need, and the performance should be fine. I also picked up a 2511t. That's a slick little unit. I could almost drop that in my cargo pocket. Not anything I need, but if I worked in trees, I'd almost certainly own one.

Thanks to all for the advice. Now it's a matter of seeing if my PP behaves itself til a 20% sale gets close to me, or if my willpower holds out  :^D

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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2018, 03:07:25 PM »
 or if my willpower holds out  :^D
It didn't. I'm now the owner of a cs400. It came with an 18" bar, and they didn't have anything smaller to swap it out with. I wanted to get it done, so I bought it as-is. It came with a case, which helped me decide to get it. That knocks down some of the loss of not being 20% off day. I thought it would be the regular case, but it ended up being their better one, so the decision to buy feels even better than it did. I'm probably still gonna get a 16" bar. I'll probably do it before I even run it in wood. That'll make the 18" more salable if I decide to get rid of it(and someone wants it).

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Re: Which Small Echo Saw?
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2018, 08:18:55 AM »
Frustrating first experience with the 400, mostly boils down to user error. Started great, ran pretty well. I took down a pine that sap and water *poured* out of when I cut the trunk. I was limbing the tree, and I guess I wasn't paying close enough attention, and threw a chain. I think it stretched faster than expected.

Took the cover off, and it was filled with wet pine guts, and the spur setup wasn't what I was used to. Spur on the inside, chainbrake on the outside. A little clunky removing the bar/chain. Got it sorted, but some of the drive links had gotten beaten up, and wouldn't fit well in the bar. I forced them in, hoping the motor would make the necessary adjustments. Got it together, started it, but it was too tight for the motor spin. Took it apart again, and had a hard time getting the cover off. Thought it was due to sap, and pried it off with a screwdriver(This is the start of my problems)...

I filed the burrs off the drive links, made sure it fit in the bar, and attempted reassembly. Couldn't get the cover on due to the brake band hanging up on the drum. It also has a weird tab that fits in the brake handle. That was being difficult also. I futzed with it and futzed with it. Nothing was going, and I couldn't make sense of the setup. That ill fitting tab obviously moves, but I couldn't move it with my fingers(Something gummed up??). Took that apart with some difficulty(screws were very tight) to see how it worked. Took the stuff out of the cover, including a fairly heavy spring(A wild clue emerges!). Put it back together, and use the wrench to pry the tab back, and release the brake band. Everything then fits as it should. Runs ok, and I finish cutting. Inspect the spur when I done, and it was a little chewed up, which I anticipated. I wanted to get the job done, and a new chain is about the same price as a spur, so there wasn't any good way to discriminate. It's not terrible, and I'll be getting a 16"b&c today, so it'll have an easier life for awhile.

Lesson learned? The chainbrake must be off before you remove the cover. They probably tell you that somewhere in the manual. I was gonna read it some day, I swear! Kind of an odd setup compared to what I was used, and combined with inexperience made it harder than it should have been.

All in all good saw. It feels a little chintzy compared to my PP, but I can't point to anything wrong. Everything seems durable enough, and it's lighter, so I guess it's a win. I'm happy with it

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Re: Which Small Echo Saw?
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2018, 09:16:38 AM »
Hope your future experiences are better.  I have a small CS341, 30cc, and love it for small work.  I enjoy it enough to look at Echo for a 60 cc saw now.  My home owner 45 cc Sthil is not cutting it, literally, for some of my activities now.  I think you will grow to like and enjoy using it. Mine sure is reliable as are my Echo blower and PAS266.

Not to long after I got my home owner Stihl, MS250, I was using it and I could not get the chain to turn.  Got frustrated and stopped using it that day.  I requested my wife take it to the shop the following Monday for the dealer to help sort.  Well when I got home from work she let me know the dealer released the chain brake!  ::)  New fabled gadgets on saws!  :o  I never will forget that, glad she took it in instead of me! What a no brained move.

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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2018, 11:03:13 AM »
I'm sure it'll be a good saw. The problems I had were self inflicted. The only real complaint I have is the fuel/oil holes are kind of small. I'd like them to be bigger, but I'll manage. The chain brake is kind of weird, and looks like it would be subject to getting crud in it, but I'm not a mechanical engineer. They're confident enough to give it a long warranty. If it had real issues, they'd redesign it.

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I got the 16" bar and chain today. Too warm and wet for cutting, but I'll take it out tomorrow. Also, I'm thinking I'll get a reel of chain, and spin my own. I have two saws and three bars now of the same size, that take different lengths. I wasn't impressed with the price of Chinese chain at homedepot. The localish hardware store spins their own. I'll check their prices first, but it'll probably be better to do it myself.

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Forgot. No tingling fingers after use either. That was my main mental justification for getting the echo. Medical necessity!

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Re: Which Small Echo Saw?
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2018, 05:37:42 PM »
 
 I ran over a CS400 with my 11000# tracked skid loader, broke the top handle, bent the bar, ruined the recoil and a small crack on the bottom of the fuel tank which I plastic welded.  Not to bad, still runs great.  These smaller chains throw easy, keep them snug when limbing or cutting brush .Steve
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« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2018, 05:22:00 PM »
Small update. Been getting some time in with the cs400, and it's becoming my favorite saw. Starts easily, and cuts very well. After swinging the ms362, the cs400 is a treat to carry, and the 16" bar is a good match for it.

I was using it today to "split" the evergreen(spruce?) I took down a few weeks ago. That wood *does not* want to come apart with mauls, wedges, or axes, but the cs400 goes through it like butter. I'm almost jealous of people that mainly do softwood. I went through two tanks of fuel, and I didn't bother sharpening the chain once. It's still good enough for the next job.

In contrast, I was using my ms362 to rip some gnarly black oak rounds, and it was slooow going. Had to sharpen every tank full, and every cut took forever. Good introduction to chainsaw milling. That's something I'll never do unless I'm out in the sticks, and need to make my own lumber or something. Way too much work. I could have used another 20-40ccs, and maybe a back upgrade  :^D

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« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2018, 06:28:05 PM »
Good info
I have a echo 590 I have been very pleased with....My pickup saw has been a stilh 250...BUT I ran over it with the tractor today....so I'm in the market

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« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2018, 06:36:36 PM »
If I knew what I know now, I'd have likely gotten a 590 instead of my 362cm. Nothing at all wrong with the Stihl, but the 590 is half the price. I knew almost nothing about saws when I was shopping, and I limited my choices to Stihl and Husqvarna. Too many choices makes things hard, and I knew of those two by reputation. Figured it would be hard to wrong if I stuck with them.

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« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2018, 09:49:10 PM »
I just loaded up on a bunch of Echo saws, after only having a single old chainsaw for the past 10 or 15 years.

Got the 490....cheap.
And more recently the 361P at the 20% off sale. So $320 plus tax.
And in between picked up my most indispensable and expensive saw, the PPT-2620..with 4' extension.

The 490 weighs about the same as the 400 but a bit stronger. And the mag case.

The 361P is super lightweight and compact with it's 14" bar, but revs quick and cuts really well. And it has a good solid feel to it.

These make a pretty good one-two punch for my needs.
Just maintenance work and a little firewood now and then.

But recently, I was tempted by a very lightly used Echo CS-800 that was offered for $500 in the local classifieds.
I resisted as I figured it wouldn't get enough use to keep it in shape.
And I'd already made my luxury purchase, the little CS-2511T.
It's a tiny terror. A lot of fun to use, and easy to get in normally hard to reach areas.
And doesn't feel so cumbersome for the occasions when I might be off the ground.

I chalk it up as a combination of want and need.
Work and play.
Entertainment and occupation...even though I don't normally get paid to use them. But they have saved a good deal of money over paying someone else to have all the fun.

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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2018, 07:56:42 AM »

 (The 490 weighs about the same as the 400 but a bit stronger)

  On a good balance scale A CS490 weighs 14 3/4 # ready to cut, not bad for 50cc and A CS400 is right at 13# ready to cut and yes a tad slower than a CS490.  When your getting old that 1 3/4 # make a lot of difference.  Either one is a great saw.   Steve
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« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2018, 11:45:26 AM »

 (The 490 weighs about the same as the 400 but a bit stronger)

  On a good balance scale A CS490 weighs 14 3/4 # ready to cut, not bad for 50cc and A CS400 is right at 13# ready to cut and yes a tad slower than a CS490.  When your getting old that 1 3/4 # make a lot of difference.  Either one is a great saw.   Steve
I was just going from memory on the Echo PHO numbers. And I was off a little bit with it listing the 400 at 1/2 pound lighter than the 490: 10.1 and 10.6 respectively.
I understand that my 490's big 20" bar and .325 chain is a bit heavier than what normally comes on the 400.
But I could get a 3/8 rim sprocket and run a lightweight bar and chain to close the gap a bit.
Or just do what I usually do and grab the CS-361P, which ready to cut is probably around two or more pounds lighter than the 400, until I need to break out the small big dog 490.
That's how this old guy does it ;)

And the weight of the heavier saw doesn't bother me as long as I really need it.
I'd just hate to use a bigger heavier saw for most of the time when I don't need it.
The CS-400 really does split the difference well. But the lightweight CS-361P really is an enjoyable saw to use whenever I can.
Just the other day, I needed to carry a bigger saw up a tree to cut back about a broken limb that was about 16" at the base. The 361P, even with it's short 14" bar, made easy work of it and it's lightweight and compact size made it a pleasure to use. 

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« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2018, 08:11:41 AM »
 
 I always weigh saws full of fuel, ready to cut with the bar and chain that's on them. Yes you could shave some weight off a CS490 with a 3/8 lp 16" bar and chain and it would cut faster also.  Steve
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« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2018, 04:37:27 PM »
Update #2...

Did some ripping with the cs400 today, and it was a bit of a slog. I had the 16" bar buried in black oak It was easy to bog it down, and stop it dead. It required a very light touch. It wasn't unexpected, but I didn't feel like pulling out the 362. Too heavy, and too loud for a weekday afternoon. Can't say I'm disappointed. You can only get so much out of 40cc, but it did it. I was using full chisel Oregon chain. I'm also pleased cause it was the chain I put together, and it's holding up good  :^)

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« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2018, 10:15:31 PM »
Sounds like it may be a bit lean on the high end. Can you fatten it a little?
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« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2018, 11:49:45 PM »
At this point, I can't fatten it up. I have it turned as far as the limiters will allow. I was having trouble pulling them, and it seemed about right, so I left it alone til I get around to dealing with the muffler. I pulled the spark arrestor, but eventually want to open it up some, and may need more adjustment at that time.

If your comment refers to the chain stopping dead, I think that was due to the confused grain and "knotlets" teeth were catching on. and the motor not having enough to muscle through. These were very dense crotches, and forks I couldn't get a wedge in, so I was using the saw to "split" them. I don't generally like doing that, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

I'm not experienced in saw tuning, or use in general as far as that goes, but the performance seemed about right to me. That was about the worst I could have given it as far as wood goes. Only way to make worse conditions around here would be to drag them through mud first. It was the hardest, densest wood I could expect to ever find. Mud might have helped. Dull the chain so it didn't bite so aggressively  :^D

I will put more effort into getting the limiters off though. I was using a deck screw, but couldn't get enough bite to pull them off. A drywall screw might work better, with deeper/quicker to start threads.

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« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2018, 04:39:57 AM »
 
 You really need to pull the limiter caps and tune good, most come lean and will bog easy if not burn up thanks to The EPA.  Use a drywall screw and turn it in as far as you can without stripping it, then take it out and use a screw driver to turn the cap counterclockwise until the tab on the cap and slot in the carb are lined up, then turn the screw back in but not so hard that you turn the cap and get the slot out of alignment . Then pull with a pliers. After you do a few its easy.
 Adjust the low open enough so it doesn't bog when opening the throttle, on the high open it up at least 1 turn which should make it real rich and then gradually back  in until it cuts the fastest in bigger wood, if you get too lean it will bog easy.  Did I mention these saws make a LOT more power if you open up the muffler.   Steve 
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« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2018, 08:56:15 AM »
I'm not familiar with the limiters on the Echo saws, but On my Husqvarna and Jonsered saws, I was able to just reach in with the small blade on my Swiss Army knife and just shave the plastic tabs off the limiters without having to remove them (the limit was caused by the plastic tabs hitting the something - probably the shaft of the nieghboring adjustment screw? It's been a while since I looked at it.) They now can turn fully in or out. I've not looked at newer models to see if the design has changed. Is a similar approach possible on the Echo saws?

You definitely want to richen things up a bit for chainsaw milling. Those long cuts can make the saw run hot. Running a bit on the rich side can give the saw a little additional cooling. Keep the chain very sharp, and the cooling fins clear. An occasional pause might be needed in longer cuts to let the saw cool. You also need to resign your self to being very patient. A 40cc saw is small for milling. Expect to have to take it easy.
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« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2018, 12:51:30 PM »
           I recently purchased a 361P myself and really like it for limbing.  I find that I grab it more often than my OE346.  That's another saw you might consider although no longer made.  Its a 42mm high revving speedster.  My cutting buddy has a cs400 as his only saw.  But he doesn't cut much.  I did a muff mod on it, and really woke the saw up.  There a good saw as well.

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« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2018, 08:42:13 PM »
Alrighty... Finally got the caps off. I also took the muffler off, gutted the cat, took the louvers off the front, and filed some of the restrictor plate that's on the engine side, but I didn't take a whole lot off of that. A .25" file stroke is tedious. I literally just finished, so I haven't tried tuning it yet. I'll try that before the weekend's done.

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« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2018, 08:57:12 PM »
A Dremel tool works wonders on those mufflers - though I suspect a file is safer: some of the metals in the catalytic converter are toxic. You don't want them flying all over the place as you work.
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« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2018, 09:03:45 PM »
I did the cat mainly with a screwdriver. Jam it in, and gouge around with it. Once I got most of it out, I screwed a screw in several places, wallowed out the holes, then gouged them away with the screwdriver. It was helpful that the metal was brittle. Pretty easy to break off in small pieces, but ceramic would have probably been easier.

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« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2018, 10:48:58 AM »
      Try not to breath any dust you might stir up.  I learnt the hard way yrs ago on my first M Mod.  Choked up for 2 days.  You will most likely need to richin the mixture aft a M Mod.  Downside about'em is the increased noise.  But hopefully you wear hearing protection.       Enjoy.

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« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2018, 11:03:49 AM »
Yea, one of the things I liked about the saw was it was relatively quiet. Oh well. Shouldn't be any louder than my 362. The muffler on that isn't anything more than an empty can on the front. I always wear hearing protection anymore. My ears have held up surprisingly well considering my life of loud music and construction work, and I'm trying to keep them in decent shape.

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« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2018, 02:48:35 PM »
Ok, I need a sanity check. How does this plug look?



I didn't check it before hand, but this includes me futzing with it, and about 5 minutes running hard with the 16" bar buried in oak. If it were a car, I think I'd call it good, but I don't know about 2 stroke. It sounds about right, and the throttle response is decent, but perhaps could use some tweaking. I'm leery of setting the rpm to the edge of failure. I'm not familiar with adjusting these things, and the response to screw turns is slow. I don't how lean you can run it for how long before you're the owner of a doorstop, so I tried to be conservative.

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« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2018, 02:56:21 PM »
That plug is in good shape. 
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« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2018, 03:18:20 PM »
Thanks Bandit. I'm gonna check again after I run a full tank of gas through it, and see what it looks like. Hopefully it'll be stable. That'll also give me a good idea of what it runs like under working conditions. I think the low screw could still use some work, but I need time with it, when the saw isn't my primary focus. Seems concentrating too hard on something is counterproductive for me. I can't get a feel of what's really going on. Just using it gives a better impression.

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« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2018, 06:08:14 PM »
If it goes more toward grey your a little lean - moving to more brown you're getting rich.

Well maybe not you but the saw!  :D

I tend to run a bit leaner but with close to 50 years of modifying, fixing and running all manner and size of 2 cycles in about every conceivable application, I am pretty confident in my ability! Even if I do burn the od set of rings. Haven't done that for more than a few years though. 

Leaner at the color your at on that plug may be as fine as a 1/8 of a turn or less.      
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« Reply #38 on: December 07, 2018, 09:46:25 PM »
Yep. I agree. That plug is just a touch on the dark side.

On another note. Just got my cheap 8-piece carb adjuster set.
My Echo CS-361P didn't have any kind of limiters on the high and low, but uses a "pacman" screwdriver to adjust them.

Contemplating building an custom muffler with a tubular outlet for the 361P, to replace the cat-can.
As the cat is mounted offset in a baffle from the opening.
Or might order a CS350 muffler and mod it.

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« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2018, 10:02:06 PM »
I would leave it alone with that color or even richen it slightly. Stalling in the cut indicates it is already too lean.
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« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2018, 04:33:41 AM »
The plug looks good.  On these smaller Echo saws the adjusters are around 3 turns out and will need more than a little bit of a turn to adjust.   Steve
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« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2018, 08:27:52 AM »
      I agree with sawguy21.  That's a pretty good color overall.   Much better on your bottom end to run a "tad" on the rich side, then on the lean side ;)

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« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2018, 11:00:49 AM »
Pulled the plug out of my 361P and it looked a little darker than that. 

I didn't really consider leaning out the mixture yet. 
It's a pretty new saw still. And it seems to be running good.
And I'm still considering building a high flow muffler for it...which should even it out a bit.

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« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2018, 11:18:23 AM »
Pulled the plug out of my 361P and it looked a little darker than that.

I didn't really consider leaning out the mixture yet.
It's a pretty new saw still. And it seems to be running good.
And I'm still considering building a high flow muffler for it...which should even it out a bit.

          If you end up doing that, I'd like you post the outcome & maybe some photo's if you would.  I have the very same saw, and thinking on doing that to.

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« Reply #44 on: December 11, 2018, 05:30:36 PM »
Alright, last question; I promise!  :^D

Got some good run time in with the echo today. Throttle response was fine, but it smelled a little rich. It would burble with the bar partially engaged(light pressure), then clean up with the bar fully in the cut. I left my saws at work, so I haven't been able to check the plug, but does that sound rich to you? I'm thinking the sound should clean up as soon as it's in wood? If rich, I may leave it as-is for a little while. It runs fine, and that'll help ingrain the sound in my head so I can more readily recognize it when tuning in the future.

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« Reply #45 on: December 11, 2018, 09:09:12 PM »
From your "word videos" I'd say you got a good ear developing. With a new saw I'd run as is for at least 2 tanks of fuel. IF you are using a top grade mix oil, I would expect it to move a bit more toward " burbly" (to us older guys that the 4 cycle sound)  as you get deeper in the second tank. Start to lean it a bit when that starts. you want to be just out of the burbly stage when running warm and normal working load. You will be a pro at this in short order.  
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« Reply #46 on: December 17, 2018, 11:25:19 AM »
2511T such a wonderful scary little machine with a bad attitude! pure awesomeness! 8) its soooooo light you think its a toy after running a 372,however it is not, got me boot 1st few hours running it one handed - i have not ever done that i think - dont want to repeat ! what a great saw! aloha
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« Reply #47 on: December 17, 2018, 10:50:34 PM »
Pulled the plug out of my 361P and it looked a little darker than that.

I didn't really consider leaning out the mixture yet.
It's a pretty new saw still. And it seems to be running good.
And I'm still considering building a high flow muffler for it...which should even it out a bit.

          If you end up doing that, I'd like you post the outcome & maybe some photo's if you would.  I have the very same saw, and thinking on doing that to.
Absolutely I will.
The CS-350 muffler may be an option. I think it's an open can(no cat or baffle), and like the way it looks. 
It might be pretty easy to open up the outlet a bit.

Price looks to be around $30.

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« Reply #48 on: December 17, 2018, 11:01:10 PM »
2511T such a wonderful scary little machine with a bad attitude! pure awesomeness! 8) its soooooo light you think its a toy after running a 372,however it is not, got me boot 1st few hours running it one handed - i have not ever done that i think - dont want to repeat ! what a great saw! aloha
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« Reply #49 on: January 07, 2019, 12:51:12 PM »
I put in my order for a 2511t today. The hardware store used to have it in stock, but they sold it. Disappointing that I have to wait a couple weeks, but I'm pretty excited. Been wanting one for awhile, and trying to justify the purchase. Hard to justify, but it's gonna be my truck saw. I'll pick up another pair of chaps, then I'll have a set of gear for work. The saw will always be with my, and I have a 362 I've been keeping at the office. The cs400 I bought has already paid for itself, so it's almost like I didn't spend money on it at all. That helps justify the new purchase anyway  :^D

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BTW, inflation has struck. Echo's 20% off day is now a 15% off day. No dealers listed last I looked, but I guess it'll be populated soon.

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« Reply #50 on: January 08, 2019, 11:52:54 PM »
I put in my order for a 2511t today. The hardware store used to have it in stock, but they sold it. Disappointing that I have to wait a couple weeks, but I'm pretty excited. Been wanting one for awhile, and trying to justify the purchase. Hard to justify, but it's gonna be my truck saw. I'll pick up another pair of chaps, then I'll have a set of gear for work. The saw will always be with my, and I have a 362 I've been keeping at the office. The cs400 I bought has already paid for itself, so it's almost like I didn't spend money on it at all. That helps justify the new purchase anyway  :^D

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BTW, inflation has struck. Echo's 20% off day is now a 15% off day. No dealers listed last I looked, but I guess it'll be populated soon.
Truck saw, pruning saw, hedge trimmer. It can do a lot of stuff. And just so light and handy. Made for one handed use.

Now that I've got about 10 or 15 tanks through mine it starts on the first or second pull every time.
But it stays in the house until time to use it. So that probably has an effect on ease of starting.

Great little tool. I call it an entertainment expense, although I do carry it up in a tree from time to time.

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« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2019, 11:34:49 AM »
As I got older my 13# saw seemed to get heavier every time I used it. The dealer in Utica sells Stihl and Echo I handled both and picked a Echo 352 8lbs 3oz .the first tree I cut down was a 28in white pine it took a little longer but when I was done cutting it into logs for my mill I wasn't wore out, like using the heavy saw. I also wear chaps when cutting everything since I took a divit out of my knee cap.


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