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Parts and opinions for CTL iron.
« on: October 20, 2018, 12:49:35 AM »
Full tree is great when it doesnt rain for 80 out of 93 days, ruts I need an excavator to fix. I've got a pile of my own wood bought, got approached to go cut for a buyer making fairly good money, supposedly doing a big cut for a solar farm semi-local. The timing wasnt right on that big processor I looked at last yr and honestly at 11'4" wide it was way to big. I've only ever seen 1x 4roller around here, from what I see the parts are around, but will it handle a steady diet of 16-20" hardwood and hemlock ? 
 Sitting at Pat's in the UP, same engine as my 425, about 7k hrs. 
 

 


 
Strictly to walk behind the buncher, go cut for 2-3 days, process and have the forwarder follow me. Are the 4 rollers that hard on hoses ? Down the road is the 2 roller conversion worth it ? 
 Ponsse took this in on trade, said it's very clean and just over 6k hours. H8 head which I dont have a clue about ? Will a dangle walk away from that 4 roller ? More money than I want to spend but wondering if it's worth it. Hows ponsse for parts ? 


 

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Re: Parts and opinions for CTL iron.
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2018, 06:24:54 AM »
Got nothing but watching and looking forward to responses.  From what I've heard the Ponsse support is phenomenal.  Curious as to the members responses.
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Re: Parts and opinions for CTL iron.
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2018, 07:02:51 AM »
No comment on Ponsse other then they are proud of everything. An H8 is a larger head then the Fabtek 2000, delimb should be roughly the same with the 2000 being ahead on parts prices. All the parts we ever had to find for our 4 roller were available from sources, take the computer they are dirt cheap hows 3500 4000 sound vs a whole control system? If a computer goes south on one you can still run the head because the head has no electronics all thats out there is diameter, roller length, independent length, and the bar return sensor. If you really want something thats going to go for bigger wood say up to 24 youll need a larger head like a 622 something like that you can get different knives for the application like grapple style knife to make it easy to handle stems bunched in piles.

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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2018, 08:33:18 AM »
I'm going to give a slightly different opinion than skeans. Depending on how new the ponsse head is, it would walk all over the fabtek head. Not only will it be faster and more powerful, the hose consumption will be significantly less.   I also think the H8 is better than a waratah. I watched a couple 622s, and my H8 is definitely a better head.  If it says anything,  a local company here just traded a John deere 859 with a 622 in on a scorpion with an H7, because their h7 heads perform better than the 622.  Also, ponsse support here is second to none. 
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2018, 10:54:17 AM »
That H8 will walk all over a 4 roller head and consume less hoses in the process. If cutting behind a buncher change out the upper knives to the ones that are designed for picking wood up off the ground. What little time I have thru a 4 roller was painfully slow and picking off the ground was a pain, the dangle head is super quick to pick with and is quick to process. Local guy was a 4 roller/2 roller fan boy forever but recently went to a Ponsse Scorpion with H7 and is on cloud nine, says he cant believe he waited so long. As for parts Ponsse would have everything for that head you could ever need.

As for buying from Pats equipment I would be cautious. He buys bank repos and auction gems and slaps paint on them and calls them woods ready. His lot of 25 minutes from my house and I stop in there when I'm bored and most of the stuff there makes the old junk I run look like new lol. Tried out a timbco/4 roller he had few years back and it was garbage, ran a buncher he sold it was garbage, etc.

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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2018, 01:30:02 PM »
Dangle head versus fixed is like "dangle" grapple (like a fowarder) versus a fixed grapple on an excavator. Which would you rather pile wood with?😁 Barge, I think that old equipment is for folks that don't want to work themselves to death. You don't seem to have an issue with that, you might as well get some iron that can keep up with you😉 Ponsse has lots of machines working in the UP cutting hardwood, the Ergo 8w with an H8 head is a popular combo. I know of another outfit in North Georgia that is cutting exclusively monster hardwood with a Ponsse Bear with an H8. If you have the markets the machines will definitely do their part.
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2018, 02:17:41 PM »
I'd be leery of any used harvesters.  They're being sold for a reason.  
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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2018, 02:23:40 PM »

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Dangle head versus fixed is like "dangle" grapple (like a fowarder) versus a fixed grapple on an excavator. Which would you rather pile wood with?😁 Barge
Can you expand on that for us noobs that dont know running a dangle from a dingleberry hone?    Which would you rather pile wood with and why? I have no experience and cant even guess at the strengths and weaknesses of either.  


A 4 roller looks like its just a pair of chain driven hubs on walking beams mated to a 2 roller arm set.  Does this help it walk over big limb flares and irregular shapes?  Where is the strength and weakness in 2 roller vs 4 roller?   What makes a 4 roller eat more hose.. Do they get caught in the works or something?
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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2018, 03:39:11 PM »
What makes a fabtek 4 roller a hose eater is all of the valves for each head function are on the machine with long hoses running the length of the boom and out into the head. So at the boom/head knuckle there is a lot of exposed hoses so they tend to get caught on things.

Where as that Ponsse head has a pressure, return, case drain, and computer cable running to it.

As for a dangle vs fixed the dangle is faster and more nimble. If you need muscle to force things a fixed head is the way to go. 

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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2018, 03:45:42 PM »
Huh? Our 653 with a Fabtek was all pipes down the boom and stick same with the 490s Ive seen out here. As to the speed there was motor options on them, from what I remember the ones back there got the high torque low speed for the 8 wood.

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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2018, 06:04:13 PM »
Yes pipes down the boom hoses at all the pivot points. That adds a lot of hoses exposed out on the boom and head.

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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2018, 07:39:56 PM »
Mike, what I meant by that is the grapple on a wood loader, be it a forwarder, a landing loader, or a truck loader (or mill yard loaders for that matter) are all hung off a loose pivot, so they dangle and swing freely. You can get excavator grapple attachments that have a rigid connection, they look very cumbersome in comparison. 
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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2018, 09:26:27 PM »
Yes - 4 rollers eat hoses, just so many running together that they rub, snag, and do everything else to become inconvenient fluid change opportunities.   
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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2018, 06:15:22 AM »
Although I have no experience with a fixed head I've had experience with both 2 roller and 4 roller dangle heads.  Personally I find the 2 roller heads are easier to work in hardwood. 

I'd be leery of any used harvesters.  They're being sold for a reason.  
I had a wise old logger tell me one time if I could afford to run old I could afford to run new.  The first harvester I bought was used and it would have ruined me if I didn't get rid of it.  As long as there is enough work to do new in nice
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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2018, 07:52:38 AM »
Is this selective or clearcut or both?
Buying extremely used  is always a lottery.
How many use a processing head on either a tracked or wheeled machine  to fell and cut to length and stack for the forwarder?
or is the terrain too steep in places?

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Looking through the listings there was a cat tk 711 and the TC 822 11k hr both logmax 7000 heads. Most places are 50 percent of the cost of a new head to refurbish a looked after old head with new drive motors etc. Main thing is to check is the availability of spares (machine/ head) and not just a salesman word that there are parts somewhere.


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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2018, 10:48:31 AM »
How 'bout the learning curve? I heard that it can be a while on a dangle head. I know first hand my Fabtek 4 roller fixed head was easy to learn, never tried a dangle head.

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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2018, 01:36:02 PM »
I was used to running excavators, forwarders, loaders, etc and didn't find the learning curve on the dangle head that bad especially if you were processing bunched wood and not felling. Start with the controls slowed down and get comfortable with it then adjust faster as you go.

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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2018, 03:05:09 PM »
I think having hand falling experience also makes a dangle head much easier to learn. 
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« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2018, 05:35:52 PM »
Eltec (Element technology) have started making production levelling track machines after 3 years development. 
Similar to the Timberpro track leveller, but Eltec appears to keep the diesel tank up high. 
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Downside - eltec have not made too many machines yet, could be a case of FIY - fix it yourself. (Though every new machine maker usually starts small)
An eltec leveller with a ponsse H8 head could make the old timbco leveller fbuncher a backup machine. (If the forwarder goes down, pull delimbed log length with the skidder and process on the landing)  (Probably do similar with a mythical good condition depreciated used levelling tigercat harvester/ processor if the cost of a brand new machine is too high)

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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2018, 07:13:13 PM »
Buy a new one and keep trading it in before the warranty expires.
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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2018, 01:52:51 AM »
New is way out of my reach for a while, I dont trust the wood markets or bid on enough softwood to throw down but trying to avoid junk, I'm going to keep looking, been wanting to drive to the UP for a while. Anything I buy with a dangle head would need to have a heal fabricated, I'm constantly moving myself with the head on my buncher now. Just looking for reliable, I see so many 4 rollers out there but only ever seen 1 work here local, it was a ragged looking 490D but it put wood out. 
I talked to Kip before I looked at that other TK, he had a sister to it with a newer head, said 21k hrs and I wanted no part of that. 5-7khrs i dont view as bad if it hasnt been beaten on, alot of our iron has 10-12k hrs and regular maintenance goes a long ways. 

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« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2018, 05:02:16 AM »
U need to find a row pine producer. Then tell him you will buy his machine when hes ready for a new one. When time allows buy a new head. The carriers seem to last its the head guys around here have trouble with. One local company (pine) says the heads are giving trouble around 10k. Buy the way Ive never ran one😊

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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2018, 09:21:03 AM »
First ponsse machine I ran had 23k hours and in a 40 hour week the machine was up and running 36+ hours. Second machine I ran was owned and operated previous by an OCD guy who was meticulous about things, it had 18k hours and ran 40 out of 40 hours. Third machine had 9.5k hours and was lucky to run 28 out of 40 hours and came from a strictly softwood contractor. Moral of the story it all comes down to previous owners and how they treated and maintained it. 

If your processing bunched wood I don't see the need for a heal because you won't have to be tracking all over like the buncher going tree to tree. Processor just goes down your row of bundles.

Lots of 4 rollers for sale because guys are trading up to dangle head machines. In the last 3 years I know of 5 or 6 local guys who ditched the fixed head machines and went dangle.


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« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2018, 09:58:21 AM »
Is it just because the fixed head cant produce what the dangle can?  How often (if at all) does a fixed head machine get taken over by too big of a stem and not a fast enough release?  Is a dangle more efficient at ground picking .. Better dexterity in the wrist maybe?  Further range of motion so the carrier can stay in place more vs repositioning for a grab?  



Regarding the 4 roller eating hoses, it doesnt appear to me that a 4 roller has to have any more than a 2 roller if the secondary rollers are slaved to the primary set by chain like that one pictured.  Is the hose eating perhaps a consequence of a manufacturer putting the control valve on the car body instead of remotely solenoid actuating it on the head and not a direct result of how many rollers?  I wish there was a simulator app so i could play around with these things and see how they differ!

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« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2018, 11:15:47 AM »
What makes a "fabtek style" 2 or 4 roller head a hose eater is the valves being on the carrier and not solinoid mounted on the head.

In my experience dangle heads are generally faster because of a combo of things. Most are on a carrier with a squirt boom for increased reach so you can process more without moving the machine. Generally a lighter head and boom so movements are quicker. The head can rotate around a tree for double and triple cutting without moving the machine also can rotate and fell trees in pretty much any direction relative to the machine. When crooked hardwood goes thru a fixed head the entire tree has to twist and move as the head really doesnt, where the dangle head floats and follows the stem which seems faster. Also the dangle is more forgiving and self aligning to whatever you are trying to grab be it standing or laying.

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« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2018, 01:14:05 PM »
Might be a silly question but why follow a buncher with a harvester? Cant you just use the harvester to cut the tree down cut to length and make nice piles for the forwarder to pick up? Logs in one pile pulp in the other? Thats the way 99% of guys around here do it? 

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« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2018, 02:24:15 PM »
Much faster having the buncher in front of the processor, especially when dealing with small stuff mixed in.  I also found that the buncher did a better job with getting oversized stuff where I want it. 
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« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2018, 03:12:51 PM »
A lot of local guys have found that even though they produce more with the bunchers out in front the increase isn't enough to justify the operator, fuel, payments, maintance, insurance, transportation, etc of that 3rd machine on the job. Some still do it but many have went to just a processor/forwarder setup.

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« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2018, 04:08:30 PM »
One of our processor contractors tuns a buncher in front of his processors in the winter on clearcuts. It's a lot easier on the processor when the wood is prefelled, less bent bars, thrown chains, and hoses tore up. The increased production easily offsets the added cost in some situations. They were on one large aspen clearcut last winter, it was really big clean wood. 2 processors, I don't know how long of day they put in (probably 12 hours) 450 cords of wood processed! It was huge aspen, they said that some of it was around 30" on the butts, 9-10 sticks  I wasn't there personally but don't doubt them, when they tell me they cut 125 cords I pick it up and it's spot on. Don't get me wrong, this isn't typical production- the stars were aligned for that day😊 150 to 175 cords per processor is fairly typical though, in wood that would usually be 100-125 without the buncher (with a lot more maintenance).
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« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2018, 08:10:49 PM »
So in that case we are talking about a circle saw fixed head buncher laying wood down for a ..  Dangle head processor? Are both machines on tracked or wheeled carrier?  Is the buncher spreading the logs out or piling them in clumps? 
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« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2018, 08:31:54 PM »
This has no real bearing on the topic, but I was looking over a 4 roller head the other day and the places that thing had been broken were ridiculous.  It was hard to find a a spot that hadn't been broken, welded and was cracked again. I can only assume it had  a pile of wood run though it.

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« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2018, 09:31:06 PM »
Mike, that's a tracked feller with a circle hot saw laying the wood in bunches for rubber tire dangle head processors (Ponsse Ergos, one 8 wheel and one 6 wheel both with H7 heads). The heads have special knives for picking stems out of the piles. 
   Bob, all processor heads take a beating. However, a lot is dependent on the operator, and the wood. Our machines break a lot more stuff when we get into hardwood. Crooked stems and big limbs take their toll. 
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« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2018, 10:01:20 PM »
i can see putting wood on the ground with a hot saw if you have brush to deal with. but bardge has a bar chain head. i would buy a used head and put on the timco he has. and it would be a dangle

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« Reply #33 on: October 22, 2018, 10:06:35 PM »
You are right -the advantage is with the hot saw.  Around here when you say buncher, nobody would ever think of a bar saw, so I was thinking of the speed a disc gives you.  I have tried to cut brushy, narly stuff with the bar saw on my 4 roller - it pinches, binds, and causes all kinds of issues - with the buncher it just goes "zing".
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« Reply #34 on: October 22, 2018, 10:14:01 PM »
disc saw (quadco) FB etc usually have the wrong boom geometry to put dangle heads on them.
Do any swamp loggers use processors on hardwood? or does the mud ruin them? Does a saw bunk last longer in muddy hardwood?

I wonder if a West Coast BC trip would be an alternative to the UP trip?
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« Reply #35 on: October 22, 2018, 11:04:09 PM »
I was thinking that having the expense (operator,Ins,payment,fuel,maintenance,etc) of a 3rd machine on the job wouldnt pay but if you get an extra 50 cord a day in the right wood I guess it would pay. I suppose everything has to align to get that though. I personally wouldnt want the extra. But Im a 1 man show with saws and an old forwarder. 

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« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2018, 09:55:11 AM »
....was looking over a 4 roller head...  was hard to find a a spot that hadn't been broken, welded and was cracked again.
Some fault may lay with the weldor in that scenario.  If the heads are made from a high chrome alloy or some type of wear/abrasion resistant material they will not tolerate a hot multipass weld getting laid right onto stone cold plate, especially in winter.  Itll be chasing cracks thereafter.



Not a completely comparable example but i was repairing very high carbon Labounty shear knives that had been cold welded by a "just trust me" weldor.  Huge chunks would tear out and it would just gum the metal without severing.

  No matter how deep i chased those cracks or how many hours of preheat, postheat, interpass heat, interpass peening.. It didnt matter. My edge stayed sharp even after it chunked off and landed on the ground.  The stress was in there forever from the last guy.  Maintaining these very expensive knives became a fools errand. 








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Re: Parts and opinions for CTL iron.
« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2018, 07:43:06 PM »
I shopped for a while before I found our TJ 608. It had an older TJ 762C dangle head on it and we knew the head would need lots of work or replaced. The base machine had about 6800 hours on it and was taken care of so we felt pretty good about it. You always take the risk of something going wrong when buying used, but so far no major problems. Our machine spends half its time cutting trees and the other half sitting on the landing processing out of a pile. We don't cut enough volume to justify a buncher yet, so we hand cut and use our processor when size and terrain allow. When we were looking for a replacement head I wanted something that had good service and support. In our area that was Waratah and the reason we went with a 622B. So far it has met our expectations and with the addition of a top saw I wondered how I ever used a processor without one. The head is pretty easy to operate and doesn't take long to get comfortable with. My 18 year old son recently started running it and picked right up on not just processing on the landing but cutting trees. He hasn't even bent a bar yet. Like everyone else I would love to have new iron, but we aren't at a place to buy new. I think if you look around and take your time you can find good used equipment.

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« Reply #38 on: October 23, 2018, 10:27:26 PM »
Is swapping out the buncher head on his timbco for a processor head not an option?
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« Reply #39 on: October 23, 2018, 11:59:17 PM »
I remember Barge looking into that at one time, I think maybe his particular machine doesn't have  enough hydraulic flow.
  Mike M, it sounds like you found a sysem that works for you. The problem with the new (or newer) iron is the amount of wood you have to move.  Just one of our CTL crews will typically move 3-400 cords a week, that's a lot of wood to find a home for.
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« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2018, 06:49:36 AM »
@ 400 cord a week I'm only going to work 3 months a yr 🤣 The volume you guys must cut is crazy. My Timbco lacks the HP to run a Rolley2 or a big hotsaw, it can run a dangle or 4 roller. I would rather stare at an extra machine on the job than deal with more employees. Been haggling on a low hr nice 450J and that's going to come first I think. 
 Anyone have a "Timberheads", out of WI ? looks like an FT240, it looked pretty rugged. 

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« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2018, 09:06:05 PM »
I've got just what you need :)  I'll make you a heckuva deal and the Forestry Forum will get it's cut 8)











  
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« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2018, 09:09:59 PM »
I am not buying Corley5 - but what are you asking?
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« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2018, 09:40:15 PM »
Heck Ive got a ton of spare parts and two heads I need to get rid of.

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« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2018, 10:22:07 PM »
I know what I'd like to get out of it ;) ;D  But a realistic price :-\  Well...  It has a BRAND NEW Kawasaki hydraulic pump.  Hasn't cut a tree since it was installed.
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« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2018, 11:07:57 PM »
After the 450J , might find a tier 3 650J XLT and chip to 115hp or more, tow a bit bigger log.

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« Reply #46 on: October 25, 2018, 08:46:50 AM »
I see Pat's in Da UP has a similar machine that they're asking 79,900 for.  I'd sell this one for less than that....
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« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2018, 08:34:47 PM »
That's a real nice Fabtek. My dad had a JD 490 Fabtek conversion with a 4- roller head, used it with a forwarder until the mills started cutting the short log pricing in the late 90's.
    Our biggest struggle is we log a variety of stand sizes. both clear-cuts and thinning operations. Its tough to have just the right machines when your a small operation that is so diversified, but we manage to make it work. Right now we are thinning 100 acres of what would be best logged with a cut to length machinery, but are processing most of it on the landing. 
    Having machinery with some flexibility helps us a lot. When the ground isn't too steep we can use the processor to cut with. Our dozer is used to cat log on the steeper ground and our grapple skidder is used most of the time when its not too wet. In the near future we are planning on adding a larger log loader with double drums to skyline short distances and then use it to shovel log and load trucks.
     Its always interesting to see how other people our making things work for them.


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« Reply #48 on: October 29, 2018, 08:47:17 PM »
Sure is a nice fabtek machine there Corley. If I had enough work lined up for that and had the cash flow for it i would have it on its way here!! Ive always wanted 1 of those. Hopefully someday. Until then Ill keep running the Stihls. 

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« Reply #49 on: October 29, 2018, 09:54:26 PM »
That's a real nice Fabtek. My dad had a JD 490 Fabtek conversion with a 4- roller head, used it with a forwarder until the mills started cutting the short log pricing in the late 90's.
    Our biggest struggle is we log a variety of stand sizes. both clear-cuts and thinning operations. Its tough to have just the right machines when your a small operation that is so diversified, but we manage to make it work. Right now we are thinning 100 acres of what would be best logged with a cut to length machinery, but are processing most of it on the landing.
    Having machinery with some flexibility helps us a lot. When the ground isn't too steep we can use the processor to cut with. Our dozer is used to cat log on the steeper ground and our grapple skidder is used most of the time when its not too wet. In the near future we are planning on adding a larger log loader with double drums to skyline short distances and then use it to shovel log and load trucks.
     Its always interesting to see how other people our making things work for them.
Mike for years we used a 4 roller doing exactly that for years before getting a forwarder, now were long log thinning with a forwarder and dangle head.


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