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3-53 Blower Damage
« on: October 21, 2018, 12:36:43 PM »
Hi folks I'm back (formerly larry1) Have an old 230 that's been sitting and the blower gear is broke off , and the blades are broke with pieces missing.The engine is seized , but don't know if the gear is jammed below in the other gears, or if water got in the cylinders. or both ? Gonna pull it out this week anyway . It's been soaking with fuel for awhile , and a 6' pipe won't turn it over . Anyone else had a gear jam below ? --can't get any pics yet --sorry 



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Re: 3-53 Blower Damage
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2018, 12:05:44 AM »
When the blower bearings wear out the rotor tips start making out with each other.  Did a bearing grenade and let them really lock lips?
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Re: 3-53 Blower Damage
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2018, 09:06:08 AM »
Don't know , I wasn't running it last when it shut down . Will keep you posted on progress.

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Re: 3-53 Blower Damage
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2018, 09:49:35 AM »
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I worked at a diesel shop way back, we called the blower on those the trash pump.  By the time they were in for overhaul, the trash pump had rarely failed to pump the trash from its rotor tips into the bores.  
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Re: 3-53 Blower Damage
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2018, 10:14:47 PM »
Well I pulled it out today since the temp. up here was about 70 degrees l.o.l. Got the trans and reverser off in one piece. Now I just may send the rest of it, since it's complete, to the college diesel class for a winter project  since I'm not in a hurry anyway . Will talk to the shop teacher tomorrow .

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Re: 3-53 Blower Damage
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2018, 09:14:05 PM »
Turns out that the college doesn't need another project at this time. Removed the bell housing and discovered that the gears are all good and found a washer laying in the bottom of the housing. But when I drained the oil before removing the pan , about 1 cup of water came out before the oil . So, I guess its time to remove the head and "face the music " l.o.l.

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Re: 3-53 Blower Damage
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2018, 07:49:01 AM »
The rotor lobes being broke is usually a sign of water getting into the blower and freezing if it has been sitting for a while. When you say "water" is it actually water or antifreeze? Also when you remove the head watch out for the fuel rod from the governor to the rack, very easy to bend while removing the head and a small crook in that will fool with the rpm. Keep us posted! Oh and Mike there are no blower bearings or bushings on a 353 blower FYI. ;) 

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Re: 3-53 Blower Damage
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2018, 08:56:59 PM »
It was clear water that came out .  Thanks for the info.  about the fuel rod. I ll be pulling the head off when the weather is good . I'm working outside and we had snow lately --will keep you posted .

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Re: 3-53 Blower Damage
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2018, 09:12:44 PM »
! Oh and Mike there are no blower bearings or bushings on a 353 blower FYI. ;)
I dont know, i only pulled engines there.  But is that not a sleeve bushing?  What do the rotors turn in? 

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Re: 3-53 Blower Damage
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2018, 05:16:57 PM »
Those are wear sleeves that press onto the shaft of the rotor and the seal rides on them, it's the last update on the blower seals. The rotor shafts ride directly on the blower end plates, aluminum with pressurized oil directly to them. If you get a chance to rebuild one take it you'll find it interesting.  

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Re: 3-53 Blower Damage
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2018, 05:47:00 PM »
Sooo.. Youre saying i should actually change the oil in my 353 then?   ;D
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Re: 3-53 Blower Damage
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2018, 08:56:34 PM »
Regular filter changes aren't enough ??? :D ;D :)
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Re: 3-53 Blower Damage
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2018, 09:11:19 PM »
Pulled the head off today , and all three cyl. are filled with water . I sponged the water out and the cyls don't look too bad. I sprayed in oven cleaner and buffed with some 320 ---they cleaned up good . I will put some hot ATF in to soak . I'm thinking the liners will jump up if she breaks loose , so it might need a rebuild kit ( new pistons / liners ).

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Re: 3-53 Blower Damage New Pics.
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2018, 06:11:34 PM »
Well folks I finally have a few pics. in my gallery . You probably noticed the Eaton Diffs and that's one reason I'm fixing her . So , I removed the left wheel to get repaired. The  gears are all good with no broken blower gear jammed . I cleaned rust from cyls. , but can turn her with a 4 ' pipe . So I boiled ATF / fuel  and filled the cyls. except # 3 is below the port holes and the fluid runs out .I never did find the broken blower gear, but I didn't remove it so who knows where it is . I'll let her sit and see what happens ? A few years ago , I bought an anti-seize product at Napa in Mich but I can't find it now . I unseized a farm tractor overnight with it . It had some type of acid in it that was actually too strong 

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Re: 3-53 Blower Damage
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2018, 07:41:28 PM »
You didn't find the gear? Looks pretty strange to me that the gear bolt is missing also. Seems like someone took it off. Looks like a good score on the machine none the less.

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Re: 3-53 Blower Damage
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2018, 08:01:42 AM »
Sounds like blower issues were pretty common on driptroits. Iíve got a 230 with a grenaded blower, it was because someone actually used it as a trash pump, the left a bad air filter in until it got sucked in and blew up the rotors. We bought a 404 yesterday that Iím thinking the same thing happened to, driving across a field, all of a sudden black smoke and then locked up solid. Sounds like another bad blower to me.

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Re: 3-53 Blower Damage
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2018, 08:20:09 AM »
3-53 are getting harder to find up here . Although I love the sound of them and they work good, I may just swap it out for something else if it comes along . I need at least 90 HP. with lots of torque . We installed a 6 cyl gas international in a 200 years ago, and it worked fine ( extended the front end 18 ") though. I wouldn't mind having a 4 cyl cummins like the newer TJs have .

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Re: 3-53 Blower Damage
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2018, 12:31:43 PM »
Great job.  Fun to see the old jacks being worked on. Good luck. 
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Re: 3-53 Blower Damage
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2018, 12:58:58 PM »
Youll need to factor in the cost of prosthetic limbs after pricing 4BTs.

I am stunned that the mercedes OM617 hasnt become a staple of skidder replacement engines.  It suits them to a tee and is or was plentiful everywhere for cheap.  They can make all the power you want and be maintained via napa. 
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Re: 3-53 Blower Damage
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2018, 12:18:53 AM »
I bought my '74 S-8 IH with 4 gallons of rainwater in the 3-53 (no air filter or housing 5+ years in western WA). Blower frozen & busted like yours. Pulled the blower and rebuilt it after cannibalizing another 3-53 I bought for $300 as a spare (also seized). Not too bad a job but you need to have a good set of pullers for the gears, and pay attention that the shaft seals in the rebuild kit are the right size for the oversize wear sleeves in the kit...The Detroit service manual is clear & easy to follow for the whole process.

Don't sweat a few (minor) chunks & scratches in the lobe tips, but clean them up as best as you can. I put in rebuilt injectors, timed them & the valves, set the rack, and away she went. Changed the oil & filters twice and she smokes & leaks just like a 'troit, 60LB oil pressure and plenty of power once you put the pedal to the floor.
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