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About How Long To Cut
« on: October 26, 2018, 03:25:47 PM »
I am wondering about how long it would take a pro logger if all equipment is already on the property to log (clear cut)this red area

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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2018, 03:29:22 PM »
 

 

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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2018, 03:30:06 PM »
all ground is flat and easy to walk

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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2018, 03:37:57 PM »
Not trying to be crass, but what are there 30 maybe 40 trees there?  I could lay that down with my feller buncher in an hour, skid it off in another hour.  That being said, I would not move my equipment for such a small job, so you are more likely looking for someone with a small skidder or tractor and chain saw.  Then it's a few days. 
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Re: About How Long To Cut
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2018, 04:15:06 PM »
Was thinking the same as Southside, what equipment? With the right heavy machinery they would be finished before lunch. But unless the equipment was already next door doing another larger job, nobody is going to move that sort of machinery in for a small job. My local logger buddy would clean that up quick with a chainsaw and a 20 ton excavator with grapple, and tidy up the mess too. But it would still cost more to move the machine to site than the logs would be worth. 

So that means smaller machinery like a small skidder / tractor / skid-steer etc, and more manual work with a chainsaw, so maybe a couple of days?
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Re: About How Long To Cut
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2018, 05:07:09 PM »
looks more of s job for a tree service then a logger

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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2018, 05:54:25 PM »
You guys nailed it, it is a guy who is next store with a skidder and chainsaw. Just trying to estimate the workload. He is talkin about hourly work

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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2018, 08:56:07 PM »
should have it all down and piled in one day I would think.

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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2018, 09:11:58 PM »
should have it all down and piled in one day I would think.
Yeah, something like that if you are happy for him to leave the tops and limbs for you to clean up in your own time. If you expect a manicured park left behind, it's going to take more time and $$. Difference between logging and tree service / landscape gardener.  "Clean up" for a logging crew is usually just to push the brush into a burn pile. 
Anyway if the logger is there, he can eyeball the job and give you an estimate of how long it will take HIM to do it. Cleaning up the mess yourself saves him time, and therefore you $$. Discuss this before you start, so you both have the same expectations about how things are going to look when he's done. 
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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2018, 08:16:08 AM »
About how long does it take to cut and load one full size semi truck load?

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Re: About How Long To Cut
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2018, 05:38:56 PM »
Is it just one man or a crew? Too many variables. The more men and equipment he has, the more he gets done in a day, and the more $. Just ask him, agree on what he will do and what you will do if anything. Then make your decision. Don't take too long or he will be gone, then it will either cost a lot more or it may be impossible to get him to come back. Most loggers will not do such a small job, but being right there changes that a lot.
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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2018, 10:00:28 AM »
You need to realize you have only one option and that is the outfit next door. If you want it done and he is willing to do it then that is the deal. More than likely this guy has plenty of work so if you take to long to decide and he gets finished with the job next door he is not going to wait a couple days for you to decide. He will move to his next job and your opportunity has slipped through your fingers.

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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2018, 10:30:00 AM »
Beware that this is also the most common scenario where someone gets a wham bam thank you maam hit and run logging mess they later regret.  

It can still work for you but your chance for negotiating is now, not later.  You want something scribbled down and signed by both of you saying what the percentage of share will be (50 50 or 60 him 40 you etc) abd whether your check is cut by the logger or the mill.  You can say you want copies of the log tally for your records and that is sort of a "better play by the rules" statement in the event youve got a fly by nighter, it should reduce the tendency to be taken advantage of.  The more you sound like you know whats what the less chance youll get burned. 

And finally the after cleared condition is what youll want to agree on because youll be looking at it a while.  The more you want the contractor to do, the smaller your timber share will be.  If you agree to do more of the finish up, negotiate towards more of the share.   Also find out about taxes, timber is income.  Who is the mill recording for a 1099 taxable income distribution?  



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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2018, 10:35:12 AM »
PS.  If i were to ever hire a logger, id do 2 things.  

1.  Show up with coffees for the crew and handshakes and smiles in the morning etc.

2.  Let them all see me with a clip board, tape and wax crayon keeping my own scale to compare to theirs. 


Its my timber, so i will measure it all i want.  These are small subconscious sort of messages that make up what others think of you and thus how they treat you.  Im a nice guy, who isnt gonna be taken advantage of is the message.   Be nice, be firm. 


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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2018, 11:40:57 AM »
You guys are talking about shares for a clearcut less than 1 acre. I'm thinking they'll be lucky to get out of this without owing money to the logger. Maybe those trees are actually worth something, but even if the guy is a half mile down the road, there is not a lot of return to be had for the hassle of getting there. (I'll be the first to admit, I could be all wet. I don't do this for a living.)
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Re: About How Long To Cut
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2018, 11:52:50 AM »
PS.  If i were to ever hire a logger, id do 2 things.  

1.  Show up with coffees for the crew and handshakes and smiles in the morning etc.

2.  Let them all see me with a clip board, tape and wax crayon keeping my own scale to compare to theirs.


Its my timber, so i will measure it all i want.  These are small subconscious sort of messages that make up what others think of you and thus how they treat you.  Im a nice guy, who isnt gonna be taken advantage of is the message.   Be nice, be firm.
Being a contractor if I had a land owner do that on a job Id pack up and leave, an active site is an active site no place for the public or the land owner.

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Re: About How Long To Cut
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2018, 12:22:23 PM »
it's a small job, knock em down hook em up and drag them to a pile.  2 guys 1 day.   I am a logger not a landscaper.    the trees are yours.  cut them up and let them dry to firewood quality and enjoy.  you'll have your view.

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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2018, 04:45:15 PM »
You guys are talking about shares for a clearcut less than 1 acre. I'm thinking they'll be lucky to get out of this without owing money to the logger. Maybe those trees are actually worth something, but even if the guy is a half mile down the road, there is not a lot of return to be had for the hassle of getting there. (I'll be the first to admit, I could be all wet. I don't do this for a living.)
I log for a living and agree 100 percent. Closest I could count there is about 25 trees there hardly worth doing for the price of the wood. Unless the logs are fairly valuable or the guys operating cost is very low
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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2018, 04:53:19 PM »
You guys are talking about shares for a clearcut less than 1 acre. I'm thinking they'll be lucky to get out of this without owing money to the logger. Maybe those trees are actually worth something, but even if the guy is a half mile down the road, there is not a lot of return to be had for the hassle of getting there. (I'll be the first to admit, I could be all wet. I don't do this for a living.)
I log for a living and agree 100 percent. Closest I could count there is about 25 trees there hardly worth doing for the price of the wood. Unless the logs are fairly valuable or the guys operating cost is very low
And this may all be just fine with the original poster, if they are looking to open up their view. They may just be wondering how much out of pocket they can expect to be, since the logger has quoted an hourly rate.
Some good information here, especially the comments about making sure everyone is clear on what exactly is being done by the logger and what is being left for the landowner.
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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2018, 04:55:12 PM »
PS.  If i were to ever hire a logger, id do 2 things.  

1.  Show up with coffees for the crew and handshakes and smiles in the morning etc.

2.  Let them all see me with a clip board, tape and wax crayon keeping my own scale to compare to theirs.


Its my timber, so i will measure it all i want.  These are small subconscious sort of messages that make up what others think of you and thus how they treat you.  Im a nice guy, who isnt gonna be taken advantage of is the message.   Be nice, be firm.
Being a contractor if I had a land owner do that on a job Id pack up and leave, an active site is an active site no place for the public or the land owner.
Around here more and more wood is going by the ton, not to mention that scaling is an art as much as a science.  An approach like that can come off quite wrong. 
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