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Old forwarder/skidder
« on: October 28, 2018, 11:08:03 PM »
So my family and I went on a Sunday afternoon drive today to take a look at an old soderhamn forwarder. It has a 3-53 Detroit and a winch mounted directly below the loader.  This thing has been sitting for 4 years since the lady's husband passed away and no one who's looked at it had tried to start it.   I took battery and some starting fluid and with some tinkering, got it started. The clutch worked and the transmission engaged but the hydraulics did not work so I couldn't try to drive it. The hydraulics pump was spinning but I think it was out of oil... The tires all hold air and three of them are really good, one has a gash/boot in the side wall. There are some welds/repairs, it needs some hydraulics hoses, and some pitting on a couple of cylinders, and what else???
It was listed for $4500 but she said she'd take $3800.  I wasn't activly looking for one but have secretly wanted one and it could be very useful on the farm with a sawmill and cutting firewood. (I haven't seen a forwarder with a  winch before and that could  be a real plus) However not exactly budgeted for but...

So, has anyone had experience with one of these?

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Re: Old forwarder/skidder
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2018, 12:13:35 AM »
id be on that like flies on stink. 
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Re: Old forwarder/skidder
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2018, 07:52:13 AM »
yes, what a deal.  Scrap value can't be much less.  
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Re: Old forwarder/skidder
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2018, 07:57:50 AM »
If you don't already have something with a picker on it you might think about it more. If it is useable it would be worth having even just as a yard machine.

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Re: Old forwarder/skidder
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2018, 08:31:54 AM »
Little bit of tinkering and sounds like it would be a great machine for around yard and home lot woods.  If I was in your shoes I'd go for it, cant go wrong with that price

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Re: Old forwarder/skidder
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2018, 09:51:07 AM »
Well, from a scrounger's view. 

The crane is worth a good thousand dolls, or more if it has a grapple.  The winch, depending on what it is, a good 500 to 1500. The engine, 500 ( i know it's low, but hard to ditch i bet those 3-53 as there is plenty around) Axles, at least 200 a piece. Transmission, i guess it wouldn't be complicated to get 300 for it.  Three wheels in good shape, 300 a piece?  300 in scrap metal? You are already at the price she was asking for, or thereabouts.  300 for the blade and rams. So, i guess, 3800 is not a bad price. 

May be if you winge a bit, say that the hydraulics gonna cost such and such. She would let it go for 3500?  It's no good to rip off an old lady. But i think it would be a fair deal. Instead of letting it rot away. 
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Re: Old forwarder/skidder
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2018, 12:55:16 PM »
 



Ok, finally got a picture up, she's not much to look at, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  Like I said, I got it started, but the hydraulics did nothing, no groaning, no steering.  The pump is belt driven off the engine and was spinning.  I didn't have a light, but I stuck a stick down the reservoir and it was pretty much empty.
Trying to figure out what I can sell to apply towards this :) 

So the dilemma is that it's easy to want/justify a purchase but weather to buy something that doesn't immediately/directly make money especially in the stage of life of raising a family and trying to live debt free.

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Re: Old forwarder/skidder
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2018, 05:34:54 PM »
Gesh, you have kids right?  How much do they go for?  $7/hr?  Put em to work moving wood until you have enough for the forwarder.  They'll be so happy to have a machine do it they'll gladly go to school, then college, then grad school.   8)
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Re: Old forwarder/skidder
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2018, 05:53:43 PM »
That deal will never come along again in your life.  


Your kids might be paying their own way through school with it.  Make a deal and get it home before the next guy does.  Then teach the kids how it all works incase they dont actually want to go to school.  One way or other they need an education. 
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Re: Old forwarder/skidder
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2018, 06:27:32 PM »
Did you add the cost of trucking to haul it home into the price?
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Re: Old forwarder/skidder
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2018, 07:35:44 PM »
Look at the price of an old farm tractor... compare the capabilities of each and I would be pulling this machine home!
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Re: Old forwarder/skidder
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2018, 07:38:43 PM »
While I'd agree on the possibilities of this machine, I'd be leery of what it could cost to get it up running, and operational. It must be based on a Timberjack?
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Re: Old forwarder/skidder
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2018, 07:41:59 PM »
The kids could get jobs and pay board like I did.

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Re: Old forwarder/skidder
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2018, 08:00:00 PM »
Just a point on forum organization.  The sawmilling section has gotten cluttered with Logging related threads.  Is Jeff on his hunting trip to the UP?  Have to dig up his thread to see how that went.
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Re: Old forwarder/skidder
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2018, 10:19:57 PM »
         Get the next generation off to dental school, then you can buy gas and go hunting !!
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Re: Old forwarder/skidder
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2018, 04:26:06 AM »
Looking at the state of it. The woman asked you 4500, but i am ready to bet if you offer twice the scrap metal price, she would let it go. I bet she finds it ugly where it is, and wants it gone. 
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Re: Old forwarder/skidder
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2018, 04:45:36 AM »
 Thats a fair deal for that machine. Ive had one for twenty years for use on my farm. I just sold it to upgrade to a Timberjack 230A. There was not much on that machine I did not replace at on time or another. I am working on uploading a picture.

 

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Re: Old forwarder/skidder
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2018, 06:58:04 AM »
A good old machine for a fair price or a bottomless money pit.  It's a roll of the dice.
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Re: Old forwarder/skidder
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2018, 09:37:54 AM »
It all depends on your propensity to acquire and reutilize free-ish alternative components.  One guy gets it going on bubblegum and chicken wire he has in stock and another guy is calling in "his mechanic" for service.

Old machines are not for everyone.
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Re: Old forwarder/skidder
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2018, 12:14:54 PM »
There might be a valve that you use to direct the flow. Seen them upper left hand side.
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Re: Old forwarder/skidder
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2018, 12:25:15 PM »
Thanks for the replies guys.  Yeah I'm a build it, rebuild it mechanical type of guy so I think the process of making it operational again(and putting it to work) would be fun.  Just don't want to buy an endless money pit.  No way to know for sure...

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« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2018, 04:06:16 PM »
I almost avoid dealing with widows. You could offer her $500 less than asking price, get it and dump another $3000 (and your time) into it to get it operational. But you'll still have a reputation around town as "the widow whittler". Don't ask me how I know😂
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« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2018, 04:39:37 PM »
Puffergas,  you were referring to a valve to divert the hydraulics?  I was looking for one and couldn't see anything, then I thought it could be a separate pto driven pump so I put the transfer case in neutral and trans in gear, still nothing.  I'm pretty sure it's just the one main pump and it's out of fluid. Now the question is why...

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« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2018, 06:47:43 PM »
Look on the back of the engine for a pump.  Detroits have accessory drives there.
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Re: Old forwarder/skidder
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2018, 08:11:52 PM »
Just a point on forum organization.  The sawmilling section has gotten cluttered with Logging related threads.  
I think you have 2 different audiences/ways of doing things between the logging and the sawmill forums.
Some of us sawmill guys are forest-to-finish and require a different point of view. 
Case in point--there was a young man posted something about using an old 9N Ford for logging and the loggers answers were "get a skidder for skidding!" Sure! Let's spend $10,000 on a junky piece of heavy equipment that needs special hauling. The old 9N can be pulled on almost any trailer and be bought for $1500. It's not going to skid 10 cords a day--the logging focus. But it will get a few logs to the sawmill--the milling crowd. 
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Re: Old forwarder/skidder
« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2018, 08:49:19 PM »
Find the pump, pull the pressure hose and see if its dry.  If so pour oil in it and try again.  Obviously the reservoir needs oil but an old pump may have too much clearance to siphon when dry.  Lubing the gears will help it pull some vacuum and get flowing.  


Puffergas was describing a selector valve.  It would send flow either to the chassis drive/steer or the loader. Look upstream of the loader supply hose. 
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« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2018, 11:24:30 PM »
Pretty sure thats the 1 that was on wausaus Craigslist? Its been there for a while. I say go for it if you can pay for it. Tinker with it and fix it as you have extra cash. Get it going and use it and fix the minor things here and there. For the price Id go for it. Yes you may end up throwing 3-4000 at it. But you can buy a used 100,000$ machine and throw 20-30 grand at that pretty fast too. 

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Re: Old forwarder/skidder
« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2018, 05:49:26 AM »
Just a point on forum organization.  The sawmilling section has gotten cluttered with Logging related threads.  
I think you have 2 different audiences/ways of doing things between the logging and the sawmill forums.
Some of us sawmill guys are forest-to-finish and require a different point of view.
Case in point--there was a young man posted something about using an old 9N Ford for logging and the loggers answers were "get a skidder for skidding!" Sure! Let's spend $10,000 on a junky piece of heavy equipment that needs special hauling. The old 9N can be pulled on almost any trailer and be bought for $1500. It's not going to skid 10 cords a day--the logging focus. But it will get a few logs to the sawmill--the milling crowd.
2 different perspectives.
Yes and no, a tractor is not made for skidding it gets pretty hard in the center where they bolt together let alone not having guarding. We have both 100 horse tractor with a forwarder trailer and a true forwarder theres a huge difference one is safety, lifting capacity, clearance, and guarding.

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Re: Old forwarder/skidder
« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2018, 10:55:53 AM »

I think you have 2 different audiences/ways of doing things between the logging and the sawmill forums.
Some of us sawmill guys are forest-to-finish and require a different point of view.
Case in point--there was a young man posted something about using an old 9N Ford for logging and the loggers answers were "get a skidder for skidding!" Sure! Let's spend $10,000 on a junky piece of heavy equipment that needs special hauling. The old 9N can be pulled on almost any trailer and be bought for $1500. It's not going to skid 10 cords a day--the logging focus. But it will get a few logs to the sawmill--the milling crowd.
2 different perspectives.
Yes good explanation, that was my reasoning for posted it in the sawmilling section.  I'm not really a logger, and not really looking for production equipment so rarely view the logging topic.  However I do see why it probably fits in here better.


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