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Re: Tractor size
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2018, 12:46:57 PM »
 

 my 8n Ford and log arch is what I use. I mill cedar only so no real big logs.
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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2018, 12:48:48 PM »
 

 
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Re: Tractor size
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2018, 09:05:49 PM »
Before I was into milling I was an OWB dealer. To load and unload trucks we mounted a forklift mast on the 3 point arms of a 70 HP Belarus tractor. It lifted and handled up to 3500# on firm level ground. However, the shift pattern was unusual to say the least. It was tough but sure was crude.
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Re: Tractor size
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2018, 07:53:16 AM »
My 8540 Kubota 4wd fel is rated at 3800 i think.
I still have to use4wd sometimes whenbacking up a slight   grade with a heavy load on the forks even with my 700 pound farmi winch on behind and loaded tires.
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Re: Tractor size
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2018, 08:29:01 AM »
I feel like a toddler with my puny Kubota L2800 28 hp tractor. I have had a few logs that moving was quite challenging and getting them high enough to put on the mill was also quite challenging. But so far it has worked good for me. The trick is to lift closer to the front of the tractor. so instead of using forks or chain over the front of the bucket I put chain over the back of the bucket. You would be surprised at how much more you can lift by doing that.

Tractordata says 1142 lbs lift capacity at the pin.

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Re: Tractor size
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2018, 09:14:23 AM »
I recently sawed this job:  Whatcha Sawin' ??? in Sawmills and Milling


 
I was shocked that the customer's Kubota110 would not lift the log, but the sawmill's loader handled it quite nicely.

So what size tractor is best?  I have never seen one too large.  ;D
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« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2018, 01:10:44 PM »
I went into the abyss with this when I bought my custom made New Holland from overseas.  The North American versions of most tractors, both foreign and domestic, are limited on their lift capacity due to the safety concerns of a full overhead lift, and are generally sized to lift one or two full round bales of hay, overhead, nothing more.  The pressure for most hydraulic system is about the same, so the pressure capacity is there, its just not utilized, intentionally, for an Ag tractor.  So a backhoe, a construction machine, with the same motor will have significantly more lifting power for the same engine Hp, due mainly to larger hydraulic cylinders.

The problem is that when using larger diameter hydraulic rams, you increase the lift force, but lose the speed.  So then larger flow rate pump is required, or even a second hydraulic pump, which I have.

This is why even a relatively small Agricultural or Farm tractor can basically lift as much as a big Farm tractor, and oddly enough, sometime when getting into the real big tractors, say 200 hp and up, the actual lift capacity can go down because these tractors aren't designed for from end loaders and all the hydraulics are servicing the PTO and rear end.

The "Yellow" versions of the agricultural tractors, such as shown in the previous posts are construction grade tractors and generally have the uprated hydraulic system, and can lift significantly more, for the same horsepower.

Once the lift capacity goes up, the rear end, front end, everything must be upgraded also or things start to fall off.  I had my dealer upgrade my loader lift and curl cylinders on my old TN70 and it would dead lift with the big boys, but every now and then the front bearings would crack. 

If buying a new tractor, look at the specs and get the hydraulics upgraded, if possible.
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« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2018, 09:32:10 PM »
Iv got a 2017 kubota 7060 73hp with 3000# of lift at max lift height or 3500# but loose 10 of max lift. The 3 pt has a 4000# lift capacity. I dont have anything fabbed up yet to lift from the rear, so i use a 4000# set of pallet forks and 99% of the trees im dealing with, i have to engage 4wd to drive forward bc my rear tires are 6-10 off the ground. But if im going backwards, the front drive pushes my rear tires to the ground and helps to disperse the load towards the rear a bit more. 
35-45 hp wont lift but about 1500-2000#. I had a 35hp kubota, traded up to a 50hp 2 yrs later and a yr after that, traded up to a 73 hp. Im done going bigger with ag, so my next purchase will be a construction all terrain forklift or a backhoe. 
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« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2018, 06:36:48 AM »
I like the versatility of a tractor but I find myself searching CL often looking for used, medium sized wheel loaders.  If all we did was move logs at a mill and did not need to transport, mow and do other chores that a tractor is handy for, I would probably own a loader.  We saw wood for recreation and do not rely on it to pay the bills- more of an excuse to seek refreshments and watch slabs burn after a few hours of "work".

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Re: Tractor size
« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2018, 08:40:34 AM »
My friend had a Kubota wheel loader.
That type of machine would be great at the mill.
They cost a lot more than a tractor.
My Mahindra dealer tells me we might see skid loaders and small wheel loaders soon.
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« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2018, 07:06:29 AM »
Well a few more weeks have gone by since I posted this originally. Ive done a bit more tooling around in the woods and on my mill. I feel that I am unlikely to be cutting anything beyond 20 diameter. And Ive inherited a good old logging winch which I hope to use as soon I have a tractor that it will fit. As well Ive rigged up a ramp and winch system for getting logs onto my mill.
So my main consideration for the tractor now is: something just large enough to carry this new winch of mine. But not too big that I cant get in and out of the woods comfortably. (Right now my trails are all atv trails.) Drag logs out of the woods to my mill. Front end loader to lift small to medium size loads to and from the mill.
Im looking at a local 1984 International 484 with a front end loader. I think it will do all that I need it to do but my one question is. It is two wheel drive. Do many of you use 2 wheel drive tractors for dragging logs out of your wood lots?  I realize Ill have to have realistic expectations but is it still reasonable for a hobbyists use?  It comes with chains and weighted rear tires.

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« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2018, 07:20:32 AM »
Before the 4wd tractors came out a lot of wood was hauled behind a 2wd tractor.It depends on your terrain as well.A heavy 2wd tractor with chains,loaded tires,and good working brakes will work.You will have to depend on the brakes for steering.Before I got my current tractor I used a 2wd Kubota M4000 with a Tajfun winch on the back.It had a creeper gear and that tractor would go anywhere,just not fast.My terrain is rough.
Be careful,things get sqiurrely pretty quick.
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« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2018, 09:45:35 AM »
Yes a 2wd will do it. We use to use a Ford NAA,a little bigger than those 8 and 9n's.
But that International looks almost twice the size of what we used. We use to haul out my firewood in log length. Yes,we would get kinda stuck. Sometimes a stump on one side and a good size tree root,or a rock would stop us. Just have to set over a foot and off we would go again.
We bought a 4wd to cut some logs to sell. What a difference. A mighty difference. But I am the same way,sometimes you have to use what you have. Be it money or just don't need something so called bigger and better.
I only have a manual mill. So what? Yes a hyd mill can out cut me all day and easier to use. BUT I don't need a high price mill. I only saw for myself. I am happy with what I have.
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« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2018, 01:02:10 PM »
You might also consider a mini excavator. I use an 8,000# excavator to load my mill and also to pull logs out of wet areas. I have a thumb on it now, but originally I just made a HD attachment with tongs on each end. I bolted that across the top, open side of the bucket. According to the log weight tool on this site I could lift about 2500# in close out to the side or in back and no more in front with the blade down, but the blade helped me reach out 4-5' farther. Now with my thumb, I can only lift maybe 2000# but the grip is the weak link. Trying to lift more I simply drop the log as bark slides off.
My little excavator was only $8900 back about 10-11 yrs ago, it is a 1989 machine.
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« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2018, 04:30:03 PM »
Yea good idea. Seems like there is a member that hooked a trailer to his excavator and loaded that.
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« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2018, 05:24:10 PM »
The IH 484 is similar hp but considerably heavier than my Kubota.  I believe you can do what you need to with that size tractor.  I use a ballast box on the 3 pt hitch when lifting logs with the FEL even with loaded rear tires.  A set of tire chains on the tractor will make a big difference in the woods.
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« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2018, 09:29:53 PM »
You can do a lot with a 2wd tractor. Heres my IH 574 gas tractor with a Dunham 2020 FEL hauling in a little chunk of a blow down burr oak on a set of forks I built for the 3pt hitch or loader. Note the counter ballast in the front bucket and the squatting rear tires. I highly discourage doing this.Wasnt one of my brightest ideas. I had to steer with the brakes.



 
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« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2018, 07:23:14 AM »
Who was the lucky person that got to split that little piece of oak?
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« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2018, 10:24:55 AM »
Who was the lucky person that got to split that little piece of oak?
Oh that would've been me and my trusty "056 Super". Never again. Huge waste of time and fuel.

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« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2018, 03:00:54 PM »
New here but have been milling wood with a Stihl MS 880 unto 80" wide. We started moving wood with a come along and quickly upgraded! We now use a good sized track skid steer. 3500lb lift with forks. Anything bigger than that we will mill it up on site.


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