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Re: WHat do YOU think I should think?
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2018, 07:42:03 PM »
The more fundamental question is "Who owns the roadway you cleared?"   Who's deed is it on and is it an established and documented (in legal papers) right of way?     Depending on state laws rights-of-way across your property you pay taxes on cannot be signed, restricted or blocked.   You may have opened a can of worms by clearing the roadway.   If one of your neighbors sells and the "established second entry" to their property is part of the sale you could end up in an expensive legal battle.  

If it was not needed or used for over 20 years, why would it be needed now?   What's changed?   If it was me and it was on my land it would have remained overgrown.    
It's just a skid road, graded and layered with crushed stone and rock. It is on the primary landowners property that I manage for, but continues about 100' past the line up to the edge of his (the neighbor's) lawn. The major clearing I did was on the road I manage and I only cleared some dead brush off of his part. I cut no trees on his land and even left the seedlings standing in the middle of the road. Transfer of ownership would have no impact here, there were no changes made. The road was made as an informal friendly agreement between the two landowners at the time as an easy way to visit each other, a nice evening strolling path, and the aforementioned escape route). The previous owner of the land I manage was a good friend for nearly 30 years before he passed (He phoned as he was dying to ask for help, I was 80 miles away). I still miss him a lot. The new owner (2 years now) is a new friend, even closer. As for leaving it overgrown, we just don't have enough land to work with here and I like it to look nice and be accessible to those who would enjoy it. It's also a road I use for dragging our logs to the splitter or the mill, so I needed it open and clear.
Oh, and this is not a 'second entry' to either property. It does not connect with the main (public) road, it only connects each property to the other. Just like if we had a gate between your back yard and mine. It's not even shown on the survey maps as any more than a trail.
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Re: WHat do YOU think I should think?
« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2018, 08:23:26 PM »
Tom, you are a gentleman I'd consider a good neighbor.  Too many times lack of communication creates adversarial feelings where none should exist between nieghbors.  Keeping things open, friendly and honest is the right way.  Being trustworthy with neighbors pays dividends in the long run.  

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« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2018, 09:24:54 PM »
Tom, you are a gentleman I'd consider a good neighbor.  .......
That's a nice thing to say. I try, I will admit that, but it takes two, you know. I don't push, but I try to be around. When I was active in the Fire Dept. as an EMT and a firefighter (I retired about 2 years ago) I would have a LOT of folks call me instead of 911 looking for help. Most times I would take a 5 second description of the problem, then tell them to hang up and call 911 to get a crew on the road, then head off to help them. I will confess that this could be a burden at times (like 3am), but how do you deny someone help when they need it most and are scared? This is why I left the fire dept., it just got to be too much and I was getting too old to keep up the pace, plus my family life was suffering. (I averaged 35 hours a week for the fire dept with calls, drills and meetings on top of my 45 our a week paying job.) In fact, now that I recall, this neighbor we are talking about, years ago had a brush fire on his place and tried to put it out himself. I responded with a crew and an engine and we handled it easy, but he had taken a slide down the cliff in his excitement and gotten his legs all cut up on the ragged bluestone. I cleaned and wrapped his wounds and got a ration of ____ from my Officer for 'treating in the field' instead of transporting him to the hospital (which he did not need). I knew what he needed and I did that, it made him happy, saved him an ER bill, and I was fine taking the flak for it.  I even checked in on him in the coming days to mark his healing progress. So yeah, maybe I am a good guy, but I just want everyone to be happy and comfortable in their own homes on their own land. BTW, I still get those calls for help, but not at 3am, at least not recently. But thankfully the days seem to have ended when a woman I don't know will come up to me in a store or someplace and babel on about how I saved her son's [husband, daughter, neighor's, etc.] life. I always hated that, it was very embarrassing and most often an exaggeration of what happened, assuming I knew the call she was talking about. It was just my job, but now it is no longer. I like that they don't remember or recognize me anymore. But I still like to be a good neighbor, it is so much easier that way.
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Re: WHat do YOU think I should think?
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2018, 11:54:29 PM »
Youre a good man Charlie Brown.  The world is suffering from a shortage of such folks as of late. 
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« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2018, 08:22:56 AM »
Tom, you are a gentleman I'd consider a good neighbor.  .......
That's a nice thing to say. I try, I will admit that, but it takes two, you know. I don't push, but I try to be around. When I was active in the Fire Dept. as an EMT and a firefighter (I retired about 2 years ago) I would have a LOT of folks call me instead of 911 looking for help. Most times I would take a 5 second description of the problem, then tell them to hang up and call 911 to get a crew on the road, then head off to help them. I will confess that this could be a burden at times (like 3am), but how do you deny someone help when they need it most and are scared? This is why I left the fire dept., it just got to be too much and I was getting too old to keep up the pace, plus my family life was suffering. (I averaged 35 hours a week for the fire dept with calls, drills and meetings on top of my 45 our a week paying job.) In fact, now that I recall, this neighbor we are talking about, years ago had a brush fire on his place and tried to put it out himself. I responded with a crew and an engine and we handled it easy, but he had taken a slide down the cliff in his excitement and gotten his legs all cut up on the ragged bluestone. I cleaned and wrapped his wounds and got a ration of ____ from my Officer for 'treating in the field' instead of transporting him to the hospital (which he did not need). I knew what he needed and I did that, it made him happy, saved him an ER bill, and I was fine taking the flak for it.  I even checked in on him in the coming days to mark his healing progress. So yeah, maybe I am a good guy, but I just want everyone to be happy and comfortable in their own homes on their own land. BTW, I still get those calls for help, but not at 3am, at least not recently. But thankfully the days seem to have ended when a woman I don't know will come up to me in a store or someplace and babel on about how I saved her son's [husband, daughter, neighor's, etc.] life. I always hated that, it was very embarrassing and most often an exaggeration of what happened, assuming I knew the call she was talking about. It was just my job, but now it is no longer. I like that they don't remember or recognize me anymore. But I still like to be a good neighbor, it is so much easier that way.

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I have 15 years as a volunteer. I agree with everything you said. Thanks for doing the job. It sure is getting hard to find ppl nowadays. 

I just got a letter from my department asking me to resign because I did not make enough points this year. It is hard enough to keep members without crap like that flying around.

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« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2018, 12:16:36 PM »
I just got a letter from my department asking me to resign because I did not make enough points this year


Not having been on a fire department would you mind explaining that?  On the surface that sure does sound like a poor way to operate. 
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Re: WHat do YOU think I should think?
« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2018, 12:27:48 PM »
you get 1 point for showing up to calls and drills. you need a certain number of points to be considered an active member and have the ability to vote for line officers during elections. 

The letter stated you did not make your points therefore you cannot respond to calls and we request that you resign until you can dedicate more time to the department.

It is a very poor way to operate. I have 15 years in just had my second kid. several other ppl I spoke with who received the letter have more years and have just recently lost both parents to cancer... lots of other things went bad this year.

The letter should have asked how the department can help not telling you to resign.

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« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2018, 01:21:10 PM »
greenhorn,you can be my neighbor. 
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« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2018, 03:57:23 PM »
Crusarius, your resignation letter should state exactly what you just wrote here. My guess is that this an ill conceived attempt at getting people to show up more often.
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« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2018, 04:13:17 PM »
Moose, you are correct. very poor attempt that is backfiring. I did start showing up more but not because of the letter. My life has finally calmed down enough I can once again begin to participate.

However, I am actually breaking the rules showing up now since the letter told me I could not respond anymore.

Ahhhh what to do? what to do?

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« Reply #30 on: November 27, 2018, 07:34:11 PM »
Sounds like a change in management would be a good thing.  
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« Reply #31 on: November 27, 2018, 10:30:08 PM »
To err is human.  To blame it on others shows management potential. 
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« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2018, 07:31:57 AM »
To err is human.  To blame it on others shows management potential.
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« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2018, 10:05:52 AM »
    Reminds me of the 6 phases of a major project in my previous life:

1. Enthusiasm
2. Disillusionment
3. Panic
4. Search for the guilty
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« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2018, 04:26:17 PM »
 :D :D :D :D I had a supervisor who went to the same management training.  :D :D :D :D  I was always having to fix the stuff others fouled up.  
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« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2019, 09:01:29 PM »
I had forgotten I let this sit for so long (not this thread, but the actual issue).
OK, so this is an old thread, but I thought I would follow on with more info I just got the other night. The son stopped by on other business and I asked him if he talked to his Dad about the sign. He said "Yeah I did, but don't worry about it. He saw a guy tearing down that road across his lawn on a 4 wheeler and assumed it was you. I knew if wasn't you, but he is getting weird these days. Don't worry about it, but maybe you might want to stop in and talk to him. I am not even sure it really happened."
 Well, I don't have a 4 wheeler, just a UTV that plugs along and has never been on his lawn. If he is correct, then we BOTH have a problem with somebody that doesn't belong there. The landowner I take care of does have a big powerful 4 wheeler, but he too would never venture off his property into 'the unknown'.  He also has no interest in exploring (hell, I have trouble getting him to come on down to look at something I have a question about in HIS woods.)
 So if I can make enough time this weekend before the big snow, I will drag a tree across the road and set my trail cam in that spot. Then when my chores are done I will make a visit and tell him what I have done and why. The only thing I can figure is that we have somebody (usually a new resident) on the road who thinks 'the woods' are open to everyone for fun (we had that about 15 years ago with one guy who was reckless and drove us all nuts until he flew up from the low side of the road one night and landed on the hood of a passing car, maybe the cycle came around again). I don't want folks running around on the land unless I know who they are, why they are there, that they have the landowners permission or mine, and they know our rules.
 We live in an area where we have a lot of 'weekenders' that is, folks who live in city areas like Long Island, Brooklyn, Manhattan (NYC), New Jersey, and have second homes here where they come up every weekend to relax and play. They are at a disadvantage because they never really get the feeling of the community and how folks get along. It sometimes can cause conflicts or animosity. The vast majority are great folks and get along fine. (Some are even forum members!) They are a big contributor to our economy. But in every group there are always a few.... If I find him/her, we will have an exercise in communication skills.
 I'll let you know if anything ever really comes of this, but I doubt it will go any further. If there was 'a guy' it was probably a one time deal when he realized he he no real path once he left our property. That trail won't work for him in the future. More likely (in my mind) it never really happened, But I will do what I can to bring him peace of mind, because its easy to do.
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