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« on: November 24, 2018, 09:44:32 PM »
Hi All,

I am new here so I apologize if this has already been asked; I spent about two hours doing some research but didn't come to any definitive conclusion.  I have been a General Contractor for 24yrs and relocated my company to NE Oregon last year.  There is a pretty good market here for custom cut millwork so I would like to invest in a sawmill for the occasional job that may pop up along with my own woodworking needs.  I don't intend on this being an integral part of my business rather a service I can offer instead of relying on the local sawmill.  My ideal budget would be less than $5,000.  I have narrowed it down a Norwood LM29, WM HM130 or Woodmaax SM-26.  Any feedback on those three models would be appreciated or perhaps another model I haven't thought of.  I don't believe there are any dealers near me so that aspect is irrelevant.  Basically looking for the best bang for the buck; right now I am really leaning towards the HM130 on a trailer.   Thanks in advance for any help! 


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Re: New to Sawmills-Looking for Feedback
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2018, 10:08:48 PM »
   Welcome to the Forum. No comment on your mills listed. Just questions. Tons of them. What support equipment do you have. More on the "Millwork" you want to do. What is your source for logs? Are you going to kiln dry the lumber or do you have a source for KD services? Do you plan to saw mobile or stationary (Yeah, I saw your comment about HM 130 on a trailer). Are you planning on sawing alone or will you have a helper? Have you ever run a mill? Ever watched one in operation? You might want to visit a few in use to see the features, pros & cons. 

    Before you commit you might want to take a log or two to a local sawyer or have one come out and custom saw some project lumber for you. Good luck.
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Re: New to Sawmills-Looking for Feedback
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2018, 10:14:52 PM »
I think you would like that trailer!  Just do it!
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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2018, 11:05:12 PM »
Welcome to the Forum.  WV's advice about working with a sawyer or two for a couple days is the best advice anybody can give you.  I would add to it that if at all possible try to spend a day with a manual mill and one with a hydraulic mill so you can have some first hand experience in how each operates and how they would fit into your desires and needs.  Best advice I was ever given when it comes to mills was to spend the extra money and get a hydarulic one.  Each person has their own circumstances, but you can make a much more informed decision if you have invested a little sweat equity into the education process.    
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2018, 12:13:30 AM »
  Welcome to the Forum. No comment on your mills listed. Just questions. Tons of them. What support equipment do you have. More on the "Millwork" you want to do. What is your source for logs? Are you going to kiln dry the lumber or do you have a source for KD services? Do you plan to saw mobile or stationary (Yeah, I saw your comment about HM 130 on a trailer). Are you planning on sawing alone or will you have a helper? Have you ever run a mill? Ever watched one in operation? You might want to visit a few in use to see the features, pros & cons.

    Before you commit you might want to take a log or two to a local sawyer or have one come out and custom saw some project lumber for you. Good luck.


HI WV, 

Thanks for all the questions.  

- I have access to a Mini Excavator whenever I want it.  Also plan on rigging up an overhead winch above the sawmill and have plans to purchase a Telehandler in the spring.
- Millwork would primarily be rough sawn mantles, timbers, trim components and tables.  Nothing S4S or anything like that.  My source will be standing dead on my own property along with private timber that is all around me.  Juniper is in high demand for removal from properties so I plan on milling a lot of that. 
- I will probably make some sort of Kiln at some point in my pole barn.  However, the climate where I live is very dry with little moisture so I my main plan is to put the sawn lumber on open racks in my pole barn or in my heated shop. 
-Sawmill use would primarily be stationary with the very rare occasion of taking it to a jobsite.  I have been building commercial and residential projects solo for a very long time so I don't have any plans of having a helper for the sawmill either.  That being said I do have three employees that could pitch in if I needed the help. 
-Seen plenty in operation but never ran one.  Have used lots of 16 1/4" beam saws and large chainsaws though.  



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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2018, 12:33:54 AM »
Welcome to the Forum.  WV's advice about working with a sawyer or two for a couple days is the best advice anybody can give you.  I would add to it that if at all possible try to spend a day with a manual mill and one with a hydraulic mill so you can have some first hand experience in how each operates and how they would fit into your desires and needs.  Best advice I was ever given when it comes to mills was to spend the extra money and get a hydarulic one.  Each person has their own circumstances, but you can make a much more informed decision if you have invested a little sweat equity into the education process.    

Thank you and I am sure that is right but a hydraulic one simply isn't in the cards for me right now.  Money wise I need to start small and then see how things go. 


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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2018, 01:02:23 AM »
Thank you and I am sure that is right but a hydraulic one simply isn't in the cards for me right now.  Money wise I need to start small and then see how things go. 


Wise. 

If you can buy a "hobby" level sawmill, and start sawing there are 3 possible outcomes. 

1 - the mill will do everything you need, and you will saw lots of stuff over the coming years. 
2 - You will learn how to saw, develop some contacts and markets, and figure you can sell the mill, and justify upgrading to a better machine. You now know what you are doing with a sawmill, and have a working business plan. 
3 -  You decide it's all too hard, so you sell the mill and get most of your money back. 

All the mills you mention "work as advertised". I suggest you might want to look at a kiln and a shaper / moulding machine next. Being able to saw out the boards is only the first step. You need to get it dry, and then machine it before it's any use. But solar kilns, decent planers  and shapers are options too.

And ditto the advice to go and see some mills actually working. Gives you a good idea of the logistic of setting up operating a mill, then you can apply that to your situation / support equipment / helpers. 
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2018, 05:37:28 AM »
Be an offloader for a day, if you can move the next day look at the mill. If your sore all over  give it a second  thought
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2018, 05:51:06 AM »
I have a mill with a capacity of 32" log diameter. The problem as I have, rather often, is that the mill has a limitation to cut deep. A good design rule for mills would be to be able to cut a little more in deep than in diameter. (I am sorry for my English).
If you have cut a wide slab/board, it is good to be able to fix it vertical and split it in two parts. If you want to quarter saw a big log it is good to be able to cut it in the pit or some inch below the pit.
Thimberking has that design and I have also seen some of the Wood-Mizer to. What you would look for is a mill with an "open saw frame" so there is space over the blade all the way up to the guard for the upper part of the blade. It is a mill design as are the best in my opinion.

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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2018, 07:32:25 AM »
As far as deciding on a manual vs a hydrulic mill; my advice is buy you a Logrite cant hook and go to a local sawmill and ask if you can practice turning some logs.  Do that for about 3 hours on logs from 12" and up in diameter.  After that, your question will be answered.

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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2018, 10:18:41 AM »
blderman,welcome to the forum.
I have an all manual mill. A Thomas,made in Maine,a very rugged mill.That's why my signature line is,If I Don't Do It,It Don't Get Done.
I only saw for myself. I never wanted to saw for others. First off I don't have time and if I need some money I can cut a load of wood off my land.
A manual mill is ALOT of work. I only use mine to saw out an out building. And they are slow,very slow. I suppose if you had 2-3 guys that was dumb enough to do all the work and you stay at the sawing part than they would be fast. ;D
I have a 40hp tractor that is my support equipment. Need some way to get the logs to the mill. I put my logs onto 2 small logs and use 2 pieces of iron flat stock and roll the logs on to the mill. I try to keep the tractor away from the mill. I don't want to drop a log on the mill or hit the mill with the loader.
Buy a cantdog or a peavey from Logrite,sponsor on the left. I think a cantdog would be better for you. Does not leave marks on the wood like a pevey would. You will need one of those to turn and work the logs on the mill.
There is a nice thread about bugs in wood that has not been kiln dried that I have been reading. Give that some thought.
Good luck to whatever you decide.
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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2018, 11:49:23 AM »
Thank you for all the feedback thus far.  I am honestly not concerned about the physical aspect of it whatsoever.  I pack lumber all day framing houses and roll 30+ foot glu-lam beams all the time without equipment.  I won't be advertising that I mill lumber it will just be something I can do during the construction of a home.  For example one of the houses I am building now the owner wants a standing dead juniper on his property milled into a couple of mantles and some seat benches all of which would be less than 16" wide and no more than 4" thick.  Without a mill I have to load it up onto a flatbed, drive it 20 miles to the local guy with a mill, pay him $350 to cut everything up and then bring it all back.  Since I want a mill for hobby woodworking it makes sense in my mind that I could also use it for occasional jobs like this and save a lot of trouble hauling wood to town.   With that being said are any of the mills I listed better than the other for this type of use?   


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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2018, 01:12:18 PM »
Every mill owner is going to say their  is best. With a 5 k  budget  there is a whole range. If you not checked them out look at the EZBordwalk the jr  without ext will cut 30" x 12. Mine  has electric start, 5 ft extention and trailer package was 5300. Mennonite  build in MO. Before zi found  the I was looking at the Woodmax
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2018, 01:59:20 PM »
Every mill owner is going to say their  is best. With a 5 k  budget  there is a whole range. If you not checked them out look at the EZBordwalk the jr  without ext will cut 30" x 12. Mine  has electric start, 5 ft extention and trailer package was 5300. Mennonite  build in MO. Before zi found  the I was looking at the Woodmax
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2018, 03:34:55 PM »
I drove out and picked  it up. Shipping to Ga was 700. If I had it shipped sould not have got the trailer kit. If you pick it up all you have to do is put the  blade on
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« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2018, 04:20:17 PM »
Have you given any thought to a Linn Lumber mill?They are a quality product made in Oregon with free delivery on orders placed in November.Very nice people and they have been at a while.
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« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2018, 06:21:56 PM »
Have you given any thought to a Linn Lumber mill?They are a quality product made in Oregon with free delivery on orders placed in November.Very nice people and they have been at a while.
Never even heard of them, I will look into their product.  Thank you. 

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« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2018, 10:34:31 PM »
Need to look at the woodmizer line Lt10 or LT15, These people know what they are doing and have it well engineered.  I looked at Norwood etc. but the mill frame work was not up to par.  Never had a problem with LT15.  Also with manual vs hydro.   Never had problems with turning logs on bunks, rollers on the ends of stops worth it.  Key is get the mill bed up to knee level, I used blocks and timbers.  I guess it really depends on how much you plan on cutting per day.  Anyway the way I look at it is I belong to Club woodmizer and it is better than going to the gym and working out on those weight machines.  The manual has kept me in shape, lowered my blood sugar and stimulated my brain cells
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« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2018, 10:35:00 PM »
I have WM 126, I wish I had bought the 130 with one extension, and the trailer from the get go. I did get the extension, and plan on building a trailer this winter. The WM seems good so far, it is well built. I didn't think I needed a trailer then we got rain 3 days a week for 2 months. The area I set up to cut in is a mud pit now! It was always a good dry area. There are expenses beyond the mill itself. You need to get logs to and on the mill, store and dry wood, skin the bark off, buck 24" logs, sharpen blades, or send them out, etc.. It all takes some sort of gear.
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« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2018, 12:20:30 AM »
If I was in the market for a manual mill, I would not look anywhere but ezboardwalk. Best little mill on the market.
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