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Re-Saw for 1st job, hourly or $/fbm???
« on: December 08, 2018, 11:08:51 PM »
Hello all, hope December is going well!

I am looking at my first job with the new mill, sometime in January of next year.  I am wondering if anyone has any advice on how to charge it out, here are the details:

- 150 1"x10"x10' red cedar
- mobile job away from home
- to be re-sawn from 8"x10"x10' cants or squared off logs
- will have an off-bearer

Any help or point in the right direction would be great!  Are there any resources out there to help new sawers come up with $/fbm or price per hour?

Cheers and thank you ;)

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Re: Re-Saw for 1st job, hourly or $/fbm???
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2018, 11:22:07 PM »
Gonna be a stretch to get 1 x10s from a 6x8 cant.
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Re: Re-Saw for 1st job, hourly or $/fbm???
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2018, 11:26:53 PM »
Gonna be a stretch to get 1 x10s from a 6x8 cant.
lol thanks.  Edited to 8"x10"x10'

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Re: Re-Saw for 1st job, hourly or $/fbm???
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2018, 12:21:49 AM »
You need to answer a few of your own questions first.  What is your hourly production typically?  What is your cost of operation per hour and per MBF?  How many miles do you need to drive to the job?  Are you paying and bringing the off bearer or is the customer supplying the labor?  What about your other expenses - insurance, maintenance, bands, etc?  Once you know your expenses then you can set a baseline for your rates that you need to make to break even, add in a profit and you have a starting point.  It does sound like a rather straight forward job so production should be higher than when sawing from logs and when needing to deal with edging.  
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Re: Re-Saw for 1st job, hourly or $/fbm???
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2018, 05:32:28 AM »
  

 To be fair you should charge by the hour with squared up cants.   Steve
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Re: Re-Saw for 1st job, hourly or $/fbm???
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2018, 06:29:26 AM »
     I agree with Steve.  But some more questions.  Is this going to be your first mill, or are you an experienced sawyer?  Manual or hydraulic mill?  A new guy with a manual mill can't expect to command the same rates as an old hand running a hydraulic mill, for example.  
     Have these cants been previously used in some application?  If so there's a need to watch out for metal, and they could dull blades quickly due to dirt embedded in the surfaces.  Some of your boards will be culls too.  Those cants most likely are no longer square and straight.
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Re: Re-Saw for 1st job, hourly or $/fbm???
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2018, 10:17:18 AM »
   If everything is as described by the customer I calculate that as 1250 bf yield. I calculate I'd have to cut 1/4" off each cant to reach one of my marks for exact yield of finished 1" boards which is still less than I'd have to saw off a round log.

   I'd advise the customer was responsible for the off bearing or use my higher rate if I had to off bear or provide such labor, I'd charge for mileage, I'd advise of blade damage fees if I hit metal, and I'd charge my bf rate. I would also be very pleased with such a job. You can always offer a discounted rate at the end of the job if everything went much better than expected and you had a really cooperative customer.

  I advertise my old slabs for cheap firewood and such as $25 per truck or similar sized trailer load. Lots of times people show up with a small pick up and we load and I tell them $10 is fair and they are very happy to pay less than expected. You can always charge less but hard to ask for more.
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Re: Re-Saw for 1st job, hourly or $/fbm???
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2018, 01:25:58 PM »
  If everything is as described by the customer I calculate that as 1250 bf yield. I calculate I'd have to cut 1/4" off each cant to reach one of my marks for exact yield of finished 1" boards which is still less than I'd have to saw off a round log.
@Mr. Green:
Could you please explain how you come up with 1250 bf yield.
I was never taught new math when I attended school and I can't see how you are getting that answer.
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Re: Re-Saw for 1st job, hourly or $/fbm???
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2018, 01:44:41 PM »
 
 8.33 bf per board  x 150  = 1250. 

 With squared up cant it should go really fast, getting paid by the bf is not fair to the customer. I just did a job like that where I was sawing over 600 bf per hour , if per bf that's $180 per hour, I'm not a lawyer, just run a $20000 mill.  Steve
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Re: Re-Saw for 1st job, hourly or $/fbm???
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2018, 02:33:23 PM »
Gerald,

   Ladylake nailed it. 150 each 1" X 10" X 10' boards is what I understood the job was to be. 150 X 8.33 = 1250 bf total. Actually I made a spreadsheet on excel a long time ago with the formulas already built in so I just plugged in the sizes and quantities and let my laptop do the math in most cases when its handy.

Ladylake,

   How can you say charging by the bf is not fair to the customer without first hearing my bf rate. ;D Actually my normal bf rate would not be much more than my minimum fee for a mobile job and if all went well I might discount it back the that.
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Re: Re-Saw for 1st job, hourly or $/fbm???
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2018, 07:10:39 PM »
Thanks fellows.
I misread the post.
I read it as 150 cants to be resawn into 1x10's.
My error.
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