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Re: ATV Logging trailer
« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2018, 02:22:46 PM »
I was concerned but it worked out capacity wise and in hindsight i can say for sure that if i went with a more forward axle it wouldnt tip the dumper up far enough (since the axle tube is also the dumper pivot) and that cresting hills with the basket full would probably shift the weight back and pick the quad up like a donkey hoisted off its feet by a tipped rickshaw.  Its always adding traction this way, never subtracting it.

The downside is its like towing a long gooseneck... It trails inside alot and is trickier to back up.  If the axle to pin length matched the quad then it'd travel in same tracks like a skidder and reverse more like a dump truck with pintle tag rather than a semi tractor that needs to swing the power unit alot.  However when the kubota gets here and the trailer sees phase 2, the lengths will be perfect and capacity can go way up too. The bota pulls what the quad wont dream of. At that time the current axle will become the walking beam pivot and 4 more feet of pin on bunk will happen so that it can move 12' wood instead of 7 or 8.  The walking beam and 3pt hitch will add 1.5ft of ground clearance. Then ill do a remote powered crane from a woods 750 hoe i have on the trailer up north. Whatever i learn in that endeavor gets applied to version 3.0
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Re: ATV Logging trailer
« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2018, 03:34:42 PM »
I'm thinking of making another trailer.  I made this little 4x5 that happens to have a 2,500# axle (no brakes).  It is made from 1/8" 4x4 tube with plates added for the shackles, stake pockets and tie down points.


 
Not the best picture but really the only one I got!  It has stake sides and works pretty good at hauling firewood.  It has an extendable tongue that I used once for a very long Boy Scout made boat.  This one is road registered and I also use it to haul my saw head down the hill for the winter or repairs.  I was thinking of adding a dump bed (plugs into stake pockets) to make it more useful for hauling dirt and rocks.  I have one of those manual truck cranes with the hydraulic boom jack and a boat winch cable with a snatch block to double the capacity.  If I add a receiver to the trailer frame, I could "plug" it in to use for dumping or log loading (with an outrigger).

I toying with the idea of making a "wagon" style (running gear?) but with front steering like a car so its more stable.  If I want to get real fancy, perhaps 4 wheel steering so I can negotiate my trails better.  But, I see the walking beam setup and I'm wondering if those are a lot or just a little easier to pull.  I have steep and rocky terrain.  Comments on those?
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Re: ATV Logging trailer
« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2018, 04:55:30 PM »
Walking beam trailers tip half as much.  If youve got to go over a 12" tall stump its like going over a 6" stump because the WB halves it. Since the trailer rides on the pivot half way between the two spindles on each beam. 
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« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2018, 05:32:54 PM »
As Mike said, Walking Arm suspensions make a big difference in rough terrain. On smoother ground I wouldn't say they are any easier to pull than a similar size/weight trailer with similar wheels.
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« Reply #24 on: January 01, 2019, 08:43:07 AM »
Here you will find my photos of my skidder.   Created out of WC Allis

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Re: ATV Logging trailer
« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2019, 09:18:46 AM »
I like that!! Did you build that?
Can you get some actions pictures of it and post it in this thread?
http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=13313.0
I'll never found it again.
Got a winch behind it?
I kinda hope you put something around the seat to keep you on it.
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Re: ATV Logging trailer
« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2019, 06:00:29 AM »
 

 

 
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« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2019, 06:04:33 AM »
This is my skidder I use to bring trees out to field to cut to length. Thinking using a trailer with boom I could eliminate one or two handling operations. That why I'm asking about ATV trailers.
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« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2019, 08:27:47 AM »
That thing is gorgeous!
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« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2019, 09:09:51 AM »
I built the skidder in 96 and have pulled 12-15 cords out every year since with my wife's help. She hooks up the cable for me and then I pull the load up to the skidder. But now she's 80 and doesn't "enjoy it as much anymore" I want to build the ATV trailer. I have the trailer just need to build the boom loader part.
It has all hydraulic steering and a #8000 lb winch on the back with 150' of cable so I don't have to drive up to the log, just pull it out to the trail. We clear cut every thing so we get new growth and we replant new and different spieces in the cleared areas.
I don't have any working photos just one being built.
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Re: ATV Logging trailer
« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2019, 11:28:33 AM »
Looking forward to seeing what you come up with, Jerry.

Have you looked at the DanG-DeadHeader Log Lifter as an option for loading your trailer (named after a couple of forum members who popularized it here). Here are a couple of threads:

DanG-Deadheader Log Lifter
Moving Logs - this thread includes a photo sequence of the D-D log lifter in action

And here is a series of youtube videos from someone who made a similar set-up:
. The main videos on the build of the arch itself are #2 and #5. He mounts the hinge point for the arch all the way on the rear of the trailer. Others I've seen have mounted it a bit further forward of the rear. This lets you add check-chains from the rear to the arch to prevent the arch from dropping all the way into the trailer once it goes over center when pulling in a log (the chains can be disconnected to lay the arch down in the trailer). You don;t want to go too far forward with the pivot point, as it may lead to logs hanging up on the rear of the trailer as you are trying to load them.

These log loading arches are a quick and simple way to get logs onto a trailer. However, if you really need a crane, there may be no substitute, and it certainly appears you have the skill to build one.
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« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2019, 06:47:37 AM »
This was one of the best video's I've watched ! Thanks for cluing me in .
I have a 3 1/2" sch. 80 pipe 6' long for the mast and 3" sq. tubing for the boom. Just have to make the fittings to hold it all together.
If I use it with the skidder or my tractor I have the option of hyd. winch or 12 volt. A couple of issues as I think about it is controlling the winch and the retrieval speed. If I use 12 volt it's slow especially if I'm out 100'. Hydraulically I'd have to be back at the machine to run the control and if the log gets hung up I'd have to walk back there. With the 12 volt I can use a wireless control.
I'm going to pull the trailer out of the back forty today for some study time.

 

 
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« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2019, 06:49:13 AM »
These are some pic's of how it was built before paint.
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Re: ATV Logging trailer
« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2019, 07:01:01 AM »
please be careful using pipe. Pipe was designed to transfer fluids, not loads. Just because it looks heavy does not mean it is strong. 

If I understood what you said I would bet the first time you try to lift a log you will bend the mast.

That is definitely a sweet skidder you built.

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« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2019, 09:36:46 AM »
I think 3.5" sched 80 will live.  

You can go remote hydraulic by using a harbor freight remote atv winch control to switch a solenoid operated hydraulic control valve.  

I love the skidder
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Re: ATV Logging trailer
« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2019, 04:33:21 PM »
I have a Wallenstein Timber Talon. It has a hydraulic axle to balance the load out.


I pull it with my Kubota BX22, the S10 pickup or my other trucks.
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« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2019, 08:43:12 PM »
I have a Wallenstein Timber Talon. It has a hydraulic axle to balance the load out.

I pull it with my Kubota BX22, the S10 pickup or my other trucks.
Nice!
What model is that? Does your BX have any trouble pulling it when loaded?
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« Reply #37 on: January 03, 2019, 11:28:19 PM »
A BX22   That is a small tractor. There is no way that tractor could move that load on my land. And that is not even coming down the steep hill.
I would like one of them trailers,but fear I would have to upgrade to at least a 60hp tractor to make it work on my land.
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« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2019, 08:05:35 AM »
A BX22   That is a small tractor. There is no way that tractor could move that load on my land. And that is not even coming down the steep hill.
I would like one of them trailers,but fear I would have to upgrade to at least a 60hp tractor to make it work on my land.
I've got a similar one that I pull behind a Metavic M95 loader on their 13RF trailer. Empty weight is close to 1500#, load capacity is 6000#. Recommended for tractors 20 HP and larger. I think 20 HP would be pushing my luck on hilly ground, but I don't have problems pulling it behind my NH TC33D tractor (33HP, weight is probably up close to 4000# with the filled rear tires and all accessories & mods loaded on it). I do need the chains on my rear tires (they are R4 "industrial" tires), unless I'm using it in good conditions and on mild hills.
I've not attempted to run the trailer fully loaded while running in my woods yet. The trailer has has electric brakes and knobby tires to give it some braking traction (instead of their standard smooth implement tires). I have not yet wired up a brake controller to my tractor for it. I'll be running the brakes manually, since the tractor does not have a means to trigger the controller automatically. The brake/tire set up was specified by the guy I bought it from when he purchased it new as "coming-down-a-steep-hill-with-a-load insurance". I thought it was a great idea.
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« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2019, 05:09:24 PM »
It handles it good. The trailer does have surge brakes on it. It is made to go behind a large ATV. If I think it won't be safe to move it, I hook the old S10 pickup to it and that has no problem moving it.
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