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Re: Chainsaw mill startup recommendation
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2019, 02:52:24 PM »
I would strongly encourage you to focus on building outdoor items since you won't have a way to ensure your wood is dry and bug free.  This will help prevent upset customers who have cracks appear in their products once they are brought inside or have a house full of bugs show up.  Outdoor / rustic benches, tables, seats, made from unique wood etc can sell for a very nice price, heck there is even a member out here who sells $300 out houses.  :D  The photo below was from a piece of reclaimed pine a customer brought me to fix for him as it was not flat.  He paid over $400 for it and was building an indoor table, problem was the wood had not been sanitized and you can see the result - just imagine if you sold this to someone as a kitchen table.  

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Re: Chainsaw mill startup recommendation
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2019, 09:03:28 PM »
I would strongly encourage you to focus on building outdoor items since you won't have a way to ensure your wood is dry and bug free.  This will help prevent upset customers who have cracks appear in their products once they are brought inside or have a house full of bugs show up.  Outdoor / rustic benches, tables, seats, made from unique wood etc can sell for a very nice price, heck there is even a member out here who sells $300 out houses.  :D  The photo below was from a piece of reclaimed pine a customer brought me to fix for him as it was not flat.  He paid over $400 for it and was building an indoor table, problem was the wood had not been sanitized and you can see the result - just imagine if you sold this to someone as a kitchen table.  

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lol I agree with making outdoor things as that would also allow me to get a quicker ROI and less headache

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Re: Chainsaw mill startup recommendation
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2019, 09:10:23 PM »
I-22,

    If you want to test the market why don't you find a local bandmiller, acquire some of these logs you seem to have sourced and take them to have them milled then process them. You should be able to test the water that way with hardly any initial output and see if they sell. Most of us have an hourly rate we would apply to sawing live edge stuff like you are describing and it would be a very low initial investment. Good luck.
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« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2019, 09:39:20 PM »
Den-Den, a member on here is in your area with a homemade mill, plus there is a guy in huntington that has, or had a WM mill that advertises on FB. 
Do you have access to a kiln? That will be a step to locate/build to turn out a finished product, at least for the hardwoods. I did a 2 cedar slab for a co-work that lives near spokane, wa. I air dried outside for 9 months, then brought it inside for a few more months, then hand planed it, tapped it off, filled the voids with 5 qts of epoxy bar topper, planned again, sanded and did a final seal on top, bottom and all sides, leaving 4 dime sized openings on both ends, to allow the wood acclimate to the eastern wa environment. He let the slab it for a yr and just installed it. There was a 1/8 wobble in it, which he addressed from the bottom with a shim. I myself dont have a kiln, but on WMs services site, i located a guy just north of me that charges $30 a day. 
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Re: Chainsaw mill startup recommendation
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2019, 10:14:22 PM »
I would strongly encourage you to focus on building outdoor items since you won't have a way to ensure your wood is dry and bug free.  This will help prevent upset customers who have cracks appear in their products once they are brought inside or have a house full of bugs show up.  Outdoor / rustic benches, tables, seats, made from unique wood etc can sell for a very nice price, heck there is even a member out here who sells $300 out houses.  :D  The photo below was from a piece of reclaimed pine a customer brought me to fix for him as it was not flat.  He paid over $400 for it and was building an indoor table, problem was the wood had not been sanitized and you can see the result - just imagine if you sold this to someone as a kitchen table.  

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Would a bench such as this be something that could be built without requiring drying of the wood or a coating of some sort? 



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« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2019, 10:36:34 PM »
If built from green slabs within a few months the ends will be pretty severely checked, there will probably be a healthy split down the middle of the seat and back and it will be twisted to where the legs don't all sit flat. I'm not sure what I'm seeing down the middle of the seat now, it may be where the builder bandsawed down the center check and spaced it making it a feature rather than a flaw. All depending on the customers expectations this might not be a good thing, or they might call it character and be fine with it. As long as they are educated and on board with what can happen then all is fine. Where you can cause ill will is letting them think that what they see in the green is what it will look like when dry. It is disreputable to sell green material to someone who doesn't understand wood and know what it does as it dries. As long as someone knows going in then all is fine.
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« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2019, 11:43:38 PM »
Just to add onto what Don is saying and clarify what I was saying, you can air dry your wood  and use it for such a project provided you end seal your logs when necessary (ie hardwood) to reduce the checking and use a proper exterior finish of some kind to protect the wood, and inform the customer of what they are buying.
 
For example a properly done cedar or white oak bench like that would last a long time. 
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« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2019, 02:55:57 PM »
Wow, Thanks for the honorable mention!

That thread shows how much I learned from our members in a short time.
I would not recommend a chainsaw under 90cc.
beyond that I say go for it. It's wonderful exercise, you will get some great wood and it will install the sawmilling bug deep into your brain where making sawdust will become your greatest passion.

It's a great day when you have sawdust in your pockets.

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Re: Chainsaw mill startup recommendation
« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2019, 03:04:27 PM »
It's wonderful exercise, you will get some great wood and it will install the sawmilling bug deep into your brain where making sawdust will become your greatest passion.
And when that bug reproduces and the little ones tunnel back out of your head, you will realize you can't keep doing it with a chainsaw, and you will then be looking for a bandsaw. :)
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« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2019, 05:03:31 PM »
It's good to see there is another software developer into weekend chainsaw milling. I have milled about a dozen hardwood logs in the 15-20" by 9' range over the last year with a Stihl 661 and Granberg 30" mill. I'm relatively young, fit, and enjoy hard work, but after 1 log I'm totally cooked. I'll continue to do it until my woodworking lumber demands make a bandsaw economically viable, and I hope that day comes much sooner than later.

Pushing the saw through the log really isn't the worst part, in fact I enjoy it. It's bringing all the gear to the log, rolling it into position, leveling the rails 3 times to make a cant, refueling, taking safety gear on an off, taking the mill off to sharpen the chain every other slab, making a flat spot to air dry, cutting stickers, moving the slabs to the drying area, applying three coats of latex paint to the ends, moving the gear back to the garage, cleaning the saw, and finally cleaning the sawdust out of my clothes and hair so I'm allowed back in the house. The whole process is very time consuming and if the slabs aren't perfect as the log opens up, it's very demoralizing.

All that being said, I'd repeat the experience in a heartbeat. I've learned a ton from cutting and drying just a few logs. In retrospect, if I had bought a bandsaw mill day 1, it likely would have been the wrong machine for my needs and would have cost much more to replace than my chainsaw mill. 


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